Selig on Steroids: It is Everyone's Fault But Mine
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 17, 2009 2:04 PM CST
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"I don't want to hear the commissioner turned a blind eye to this or he didn't care about it," Selig told Newsday in a Monday phone interview. "That annoys the you-know-what out of me."
And then he drove off in his Commissionermobile:
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who took that selig picture again?
it’s gotten a ton of use.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 17, 2009 2:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I love it!
I never thought it would’ve gotten so much use :-).
I crack up every time I see it.
by Coolbean04 on Feb 17, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen it other places on the internet.
I never realized someone here took it.
by philkid3 on Feb 18, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, it was here.
I took it when I went to Yankee Stadium for the HR Derby.
by Coolbean04 on Feb 18, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to hear Selig say the truth.
“Players have been using steroids back in Bowie Kuhn’s time, and all of us commissioner’s knew they were damn good for the bottom line. We’d still be pumping the players full of them if it wasn’t for those meddling kids”.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 17, 2009 2:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why you think steroids are good for the bottom line is beyond me.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 17, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Attendance soared
during the Sosa/McGwire home run race. Folks like watching faster stronger players.
I have no idea why anyone would think it was bad for baseball given the attendance/TV revenue numbers.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 17, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, the Sosa/McGwire thing is an isolated case. No one is arguing about the surge they experienced during that time. It was crazy.
However, I don’t believe that the game is more popular or makes more money with players taking steroids than it would without.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 18, 2009 3:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're good for the bottom line.
I believe that, too.
They’re just not good for the romance.
by philkid3 on Feb 18, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are they good for the bottom line?
I believe the exact opposite.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 18, 2009 3:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bottom line
people like home runs
steroids can help hitters hit more home runs
people liking home runs + more home runs = more sales
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Feb 18, 2009 4:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe that for a second.
I think people root for teams and go to their team’s sporting events to a) root for the teams they like to win, and b) root for players they like.
Sure there are some people who might be more likely to go to the park when it’s a bunch of ’roided up dudes throwing harder and hitting more home runs, but ultimately I think you lose just as much money from people being fed up with the drug culture (and therefore not liking the players as much) as you do in gaining fairweather fans who like to be wowed by ose Canseco lasers off the back wall of the visitors dugout.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Feb 18, 2009 5:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Explain how they are bad
for the bottom line. Even when all the steroid stories hit, you didn’t see attendance drop at all. People like to whine about steroid users and condemn them, but it doesn’t keep them from watching them on TV or going to the ballpark.
And with McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds, people clearly came out to the ballpark when they were chasing records.
I think your belief that they are bad for the bottom line is fairly naive.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 18, 2009 5:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course its not his fault...
i mean its not like he was IN POWER this whole time
or that players (former rangers come to mind) tried to speak up about it
or that testing that was supposed to be anon was “leaked” and maybe not destroyed as it should have been
or that he is essentially a stooge of the owners
OR THAT HE EARNED 18 MILLION
i hope he gets replace soon…hell replace him with bill james! lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 17, 2009 2:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
From listening to this crap non-stop......
There have been several national writers interviewed lately on MLB Home Plate on XM. They all say that it was the Union’s responsibility to destroy the names, and in fact it was the Union who put names with the numbered tests so that they could go back and find false positives in order to get the percentage of players testing positive under the 5%.
Also, according to these writers, the players who were speaking out were not speaking up to the Commisioner’s office, but to Fehr and Orza, and were basically brushed aside.
Furthermore, there have apparently been documents produced that show Selig wanted meetings with the Union about steroids as early as the mid-nineties, but the Union would not talk to him about it.
He may have been in power the entire time, but he could not do much without some cooperation from the Union, and we know that the Union was not going to agree to anything until congress got involved.
I’m not trying to necessarily defend Selig. I think he should have been screaming about this a lot louder. But I do think that there is a lot of misinformation about all of this out there in the general public. I think the majority of the blame can and should be placed on the Union, and they look really shady on some things that have come out about this.
With all that being said, he is indeed a door knob most of the time.
Formerly known as OKRangerFan
by B_Black on Feb 17, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All these writers who claim players were trying to speak out about PEDS but were rebuffed or "brushed aside"
Can you give me their names please? Because I want to google all the hard-hitting investigatory pieces they penned, turning this whole steroids mess on it’s head in the 90’s.
I basically remember one mainstream article about roids, and that was the SI Caminiti piece around ’01. Even then, a profession that is noted for parrotry was essentially mum.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 17, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it was several Ranger players
Rick Helling, Chad Curtis, Tim Crabtree, and Kenny Rogers. Here are some links and comments from the “hard-hitting investigatory pieces.”
David Epstein of SI.com has probably the most informative article.
Link – http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/david_epstein/02/11/union.steroids/index.html
Rick Carpiniello:
“We should add that a pitcher named Rick Helling, who was a Texas Ranger in 2001, screamed at a players-union meeting that the problem was rampant and that something needed to be done – and was treated like Chicken Little.”
Link – http://www.lohud.com/article/20090210/COLUMNIST01/902100397
IAN O’CONNOR:
Rick made sure that didn’t happen. In 1998, when he saw his game devolving into a pharmacological freak show, Helling arrived at the winter meetings of the Executive Board of the Players Association and became the first known athlete to rise before a union and declare war on performance-enhancing drugs.
"I think we have a problem with steroids," Helling told the room.
Link – http://www.northjersey.com/sports/ian021209.html
Mike Lupica:
Rick Helling, a former pitcher, talks a lot about steroids in “The Yankee Years,” the new book by Joe Torre and Tom Verducci. He talks about Selig and he talks about his own union, and there is a passage in the book where Helling is described as giving the same speech about steroids to his union’s executive board, starting between the ’98 and ’99 seasons.
Curt Schilling:
“Make no mistake about it, players cared far more and were far louder than people know. One thing that has come out often in the past weeks is Rick Helling and his consistency in bringing up the steroid issue at every player meeting I was ever in. Rick was adamant about implementation of testing and was never shy in saying so.”
Link – http://38pitches.weei.com/general/this-needs-to-be-pointed-out/
Formerly known as OKRangerFan
by B_Black on Feb 17, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RIF
I wasn’t attacking your point. You seemed to have missed mine.
First off, I wasn’t challenging your assertion that some players cried foul (i so punny). At all.This what I said:
“All these writers who claim players were trying to speak out about PEDS but were rebuffed or "brushed aside.” Can you give me their names please? Because I want to google all the hard-hitting investigatory pieces they penned, turning this whole steroids mess on it’s head in the 90’s."
My point was all about the lame hypocrisy of today’s baseball writers. You just linked me a bunch of articles from 2009, which I hope we can all agree means nothing.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 17, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies
I did miss your point. I thought that you were asking for the player’s names. Selig has stated that he asked for meetings on the steroids issue and was turned down. No one has really come out and rebuffed that. He may be full of it, or maybe he is not. Did they all profit from it? Of course they did. But my point was that the Union deserves a large portion of the blame on this one. The Union would have never sat down and negotiated that back then. It would probably have taken a lock out for them to discuss the issue. It’s members were voicing their concerns about it by the late ’90’s. One of a union’s main functions is to protect the health of it’s workers in the work place, and I think by turning a blind eye to steroid abuse, they neglected that duty, and did a huge disservice to it’s “clean” members.
Formerly known as OKRangerFan
by B_Black on Feb 17, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all that
And I can see why the target of my rant was misconstrued.
I think the mainstream perception of who is to blame, if we divided it up in a pie chart, would go something along the lines of 80% players, 15% Selig &minions, 4.8% owners, w/ the writers maybe being 2 cents worth of crumbs (actually, you don’t really need a pie for that, do you?). When in reality it is, I think, more along the lines of 40/25/15/20.
But you raise a good distinction, the players don’t equal the union (my pie needs another slice). Cross purposes at times.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 17, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Further more
Chad Curtis said as much in a radio interview this past week.
Formerly known as OKRangerFan
by B_Black on Feb 17, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly...
…Chad Curtis lobbied to get “The Thong Song” removed from the clubhouse, as well.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 17, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Take that, Royce Clayton!
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Feb 17, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i find it pretty ironic
that he cares so much about what other people think of him.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 17, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of Clinton's take the other day...
That he had zero to do with this recession. Nothing that happened on his watch was his fault becuase he didn’t MAKE anyone be greedy.
Back to Bud — has there ever been ANYONE in a position of authority that looked more like a total douche than him???
by bking on Feb 17, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
People are trying to blame this recession
on the guy over 8 years ago? That’s funny.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 17, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
same people
that gave ronald reagan all the credit for clinton’s strong economy.
had this happened the first 2 years of bush’s presidency, then sure, blame clinton. but after 7 years under bush, and most of those years (6?) under a republican house and 5( or 6?) under a republican senate, then yes, clinton gets a pass.
Omar Vizquel: your starting shortstop for the 2009 AL all-star team.
by gossamer on Feb 17, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't want to derail things, but
are you really suggesting that deregulating the CDOs, essentially strong-arming banks into writing mortgages for "underserved’ folks that couldn’t afford them, and stonewalling any attempt to oversee the 2 Macs played ZERO part, as Bill is claiming?? Really???
Those horrendous decisions pale in comparison to the damage done in the next 8 years, but denying that they set the table or even played ANY part is more than obtuse.
Meanwhile,, can we agree that Selig is the second most horrendous commish in the history of ever? (I say second because no one can deny Isaiah the top ranking.)
by bking on Feb 17, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure about the worst commish
but my favorite is definitely David Kunkle…
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what is so great about term limits
Economies are such slow moving things with causes often rooted decades before that you really can plead innocent of any future or current failings. Not that you are necessarily right, but that you
The problem when you are a dictator – like Bud here – is that you can no longer say that. If something goes wrong, it is your fault. Simply because there isn’t anyone else around to point fingers to. Can Bud blame Fay Vincent, who he helped run out of town almost twenty years ago? How about Bart Giamatti – dead guys are always good scape goats. Peter Ueberroth – he helped get Arnold into power, and look at California now!
Sorry, Bud – you’re the little dicator, you get to shoulder the blame.
by JBImaknee on Feb 17, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most economic policy takes
roughly 5-9 years to actually the “street” so to speak. Im tired of ppl thinking that once you sign something into law it instantly changes the economy. totally wrong.
Admittedly, I am a right wing republican and I really dont think that this stimulus package is what the doctor ordered but we as a people will have to wait to roughly 5 to 9 years to see what it really did. I hope it does work but I dont have high hopes.
There is a lot of blame to go around for this mess. Clinton for de-reguluation, republican house and senate for not reigning in Fannie and Freddie, the SEC for doing away with the uptick rule and refusing to change or eliminate mark to market in times where a market does not exist, loan officers and mortgage companies for lying on docs, borrowers for buying more than they know they could afford, some investment banks for thinking this would never bust, rating agencies for slapping AAA ratings on all of these CDOs, etc. I could go on and on but to say that Clinton has no culpability in all of this is ridiculous. To say it is all his fault is equally ridiculous.
by Michael Cave on Feb 17, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
That was all I was trying to say – plenty of blame to go around, and NO ONE gets to wash his hands.
Just like with Selig. IMO there is no doubt the MLBPA is more at fault for stonewalling even the most feeble attempts to do anything, but the owners (and their creepy mouthpiece) are almost as guilty for turning a blind eye.
by bking on Feb 17, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even farther back than Clinton
I think you have to go back to Reagan and work your way forward, all the administrations share some blame. This has been a long time coming, a 25-year cultural, societel level event. It may take that long to right it. The age of Reagan-Ayn Rand economics is over. Let’s hope the cure isn’t worse than the disease.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 17, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The age of sound economics is over
until a corrective is desired for the corrosive effects of its counterpart.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Feb 17, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sound Economics?
Borrow and Spend Reaganism that has pushed the country to the brink of bankruptcy? Obama may push us over the edge, but bringing the debt back to near WW2 levels has been the Republican Economic policy.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 17, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you elaborate please?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 17, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't change the laws of physics.
Your construct has to honor them to be successful – like a plane or a boat. Same with economics. Sound economics just … are. Like a law of nature. History shows banging your head up against this leads to pain. Deep deep pain.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Feb 17, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate a good analogy
But in my admittedly mediocre understanding of economics, I would think that the physics comparison isn’t the most apt. For example, most laws of physics can be empirically proven. Economics on a macro scale cannot, at least not nearly as definitively.
But perhaps I’m misunderstanding (you are being a little cryptic). What do you think should be done?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 17, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
If I’m a big-gov type in DC, I try to delay people acquiring the desire for a corrective. I’d say they agree with me. If I’m a small-gov type, I try to facilitate the acceleration of desire for a corrective.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Feb 17, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help but get a sneaking suspicion I just got "Coffined"
Heh. Seriously though, what would you do to alleviate the current situation?
All I ever hear or read these days is either “throw money at it” or “free markets,” typically followed by uncompelling historical anecdotes.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 17, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here are a couple of ideas in addition to the stimulus already passed
- give the states up to $130B or so to cover their projected budget defecits, preventing them from having to layoff tens of thousands of employees
- suspend payroll taxes — for both employers and employees — for the next 22 months (through 2010). Everyone gets a raise and it’s cheaper to employ people.
- identify the worst bridges, sewer systems, dams and levees, in most need of repair and fix them. Spend about $200B over two to three years. This stuff needs to be done anyway, do it before it’s an emergency and take away the need for states and municipalities to borrow heavily to do it.
- regulate credit swaps as insurance type transactions
- let the banks fail and clear away the rubble
bah, I’m tired, that’s enough for now.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 17, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On a semi-related note:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/cheney-furious.html
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 17, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kim Jung IL or Trump
could give him a run on the douche look.
by scoop16 on Feb 17, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People have always been greedy.
Human nature didn’t change under Clinton. Policy did.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Feb 17, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except there was absolutely zero that
Clinton did on his watch with a Republican Congress that Bush couldn’t have overturned with a Republican Congress. People who are trying to blame this on Clinton are completely delusional.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 17, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Revelatory ad hominems aside ... the really interesting thing is
… that overall there is very very little “blame game” going on. I wonder why that could be when the Democrats so unutterably control the national stage? Heh – cough cough cough
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Feb 17, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
blame game
there seems to be a lot of blame going around, depending on who you listen to
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 17, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Folks know who to blame.
Wall Street, and lack of any regulation on leverage.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 17, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, now take of the polarized glasses and see when those regulations first got derailed.
I can certainly be guilty of leaning a bit too hard to one side in most political debates, but I swear you have me beat by a damn sight.
I least I’m willing to see that this problem has many fathers. Even Time’s editors can see that.
by bking on Feb 17, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even the Gramm bill
didn’t take away any deregulation that would have helped.
Even without the Gramm Bill, or the Macs being strong armed, we still have the same balloon. Most of the balloon was the same market driven speculation we saw in the 1800s before there was financial regulation. Third world countries need “safe” debt instruments, Wall Street fills the need with MBS, creates a strong demand for mortgages, private business start writing no money down mortgages, and sell em to Wall Street.
As long as Wall Street could package mortgages and resell them, the demand was going to happen. Those same undeserving folks were gonna be sold shaky mortgages whether Fannie or Freddie was involved, because the originators were able to flip the risk to someone else and keep the origination fees.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 17, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, you have a very solid take on that one side of the equation.
Again, the Bush administration handled the economy like a drunk kid driving his dad’s sports car. But the previous administration DID hand them the keys, and I think it’s an horribly self-serving act for Clinton to wash his hands in response to the Time article.
… and the nation would be a FAR better place if a mob had risen up and lynched Selig at the end of that tie All-Star game.
by bking on Feb 17, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Commissionermobile
So Selig hangs out with Pedobear?
Strangely enough, that doesn’t surprise me.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Feb 17, 2009 2:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Some of the results you get in a Pedo Bear image search are more disgusting than they are funny.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 17, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that picture
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 17, 2009 2:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dammit
I wanted to use the linky button but it didn’t work.
by WyoRanger on Feb 17, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PREVIEW!
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 17, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did preview
My original post just showed the long ass link when I previewed it, and I figured whatever. Then the link disappeared when I posted it.
by WyoRanger on Feb 17, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I wrong?
But I’m under the impression that not a single person buys his BS about not being aware of steroid use. Why is he even bringing it up?
by BuckyB on Feb 17, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he is being irrediculous or something.
by rldwb on Feb 17, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Selig
and Jerry Jones are long lost delusional siblings…
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 17, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I win!
I have images turned off on this site until Bud is gone from the front page.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 17, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what an effing bastard
he knew what was going on and he liked it because he made more money off of it…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 17, 2009 3:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's kind of his job
to make money for the owners.
So far it seems like Steroids have helped, and the steroid scandal really hasn’t hurt the owners bottom line.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 17, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LSB on Selig...
shut the fuck up and get the hell out of our national pastime you asshole.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Feb 17, 2009 3:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sidenote: LOL @ Yahoo's picture this morning of A-Rod
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
Scott Feldman for 2010 AL Scott Feldman
by Maximilian on Feb 17, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why is Mark Teixeira peering over his shoulder?
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is." -Bob Feller
by baseballismyboyfriend on Feb 17, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where can I get a van like that?
I mean…for a friend of mine.
Free Frank Catalanotto
by egriffey on Feb 17, 2009 4:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bud Selig is absolutely correct
It was the union that prevented anything being done about steroids, and thats just factual.
Too bad AJM is so illogical.
by Sharky on Feb 17, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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