Monday afternoon linkaliciousness
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 4:00 PM CST
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A bunch of things out there this afternoon worthy of note, but maybe not post worthy in and of themselves...
T.R. Sullivan says the Rangers are close on a deal to bring Eddie Guardado back. There was a lot of hostility to that on a couple of threads on LSB today, but personally, I think the bullpen needs all the help it can get right now, and if you can bring Guardado -- who had a FIP below 4.00 in 2008 -- in on a cheap one year deal to be a LOOGY and bullpen Yoda, that's fine with me.
Kason Gabbard can go into more of a middle- or long-man role, C.J. Wilson can be the 8th inning guy, and there are still plenty of other spots that will need to be filled.
Jeff Wilson says he talked to Jon Daniels and the Rangers continue to talk to free agent pitchers. The team has talked to Casey Close about Jason Jennings and Ben Sheets, and things appear to be closer on Jennings (who would presumably get a minor league deal with an opt-out clause) than with Sheets, although Wilson suggests the Perez signing should bring some movement.
Rich Lederer goes off on Jon Heyman, calling him "a tool for the Scott Boras Corporation." That's pretty harsh.
BTB breaks down pitch f/x data on pitches in the dirt by ballpark, and finds that, in 2008, TBIA was by far the ballpark least likely to have a pitched ball end up in the dirt. Which seems counterintuitive, given TBIA's reputation as a homer-friendly park, and the fact that you'd think pitchers would be more likely to pitch down in the zone. Anyway, it may well be just statistical noise, but the overall breakdown is kind of interesting to see, with Oakland having the highest likelihood of ball-in-the-dirt-yness.
Over at ESPN, four of the baseball writers are each drafting a 25 man team off of current major leaguers where, using 2009 salaries, each team has a total salary of $40 million or less. The teams will then square off using the Diamond Mind software.
The first five rounds are up today, and Ian Kinsler and Josh Hamilton were both drafted (Josh #4 overall). Dustin Pedroia went #1, Tim Lincecum #2.
Marc Normandin says pass on Jon Garland in your fantasy baseball draft, because Garland struggled against lefties last season, particularly in terms of home runs allowed, and Arizona is a place conducive to lefty power hitters. That's also a good reason to be glad he didn't end up in Texas.
The Orioles acquired Rich Hill for a PTBNL, and the Transaction Oracle thinks it is a good pickup, on the theory that Hill will probably suck, but he won't suck that much more than the Orioles other back of the rotation options, and if he doesn't suck, they've got a good pitcher for cheap for several yaers.
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Moscoso
Is he absolutely not BP material?
Can’t he be mini me for FX2?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 2, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine that they aren’t ruling him out, but he still only has 34.2 IP above A ball. I would bet he starts out in Frisco or Oklahoma and probably has one of the first tickets to Arlington after the inevitable injury bug hits, assuming he doesn’t fall flat on his face first.
by Athos on Feb 2, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also assuming
the injury bug doesn’t hit him
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
by NothinG on Feb 2, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While he didn't pitch much in AA
…if you compare his results to others, I think you’d have to wonder if he couldn’t do it. He wasn’t too hot in Venezuela in the winter, however. Maybe a couple of months into the season?
by Brett Perryman on Feb 2, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"given TBIA's reputation as a homer-friendly park"
If the Ranger pitchers were able to pitch down in the zone maybe it wouldn’t be such a homer friendly park.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 2, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm ... some interesting stats on Park Factors.
ESPN has a page on stats for Park Factors. While TBIA was the most hitter friendly park in 2008, it was actually a pitcher friendly park in 2007. What that tells me is that personnel can greatly affect the numbers. Are there player-neutral stats that show the friendliness of the various parks?
by Athos on Feb 2, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is more about variability...
…year to year…
I don’t think the personnel makes a great deal of difference. It is more sample-size.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a huge Rangers Homer
And no matter how the pitching is on any given night, everyone is really friendly.
by FuturePants on Feb 2, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except for Yankee fans they are asses
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the WORST
are those sooner fans lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Victor Rojas's dad is announcing the caribean series on mlb network
I wonder if Max is on the venezuela team.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Feb 2, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no rangers on any team
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Feb 2, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Caribbean Wolrd Series
Live on MLB Network right now
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Any Rangers involved?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DShep says no
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stop what?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 2, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Making me think it's possible
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 3, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pedroia over Lincecum... wow!
ESPN writers suck. Literally. At least, they don’t try to hide it, and we can all move on and leave them to their fantasies.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
by rooster on Feb 2, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Same question here.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 2, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you really want to know, just type "Steve Phillips" + "Hotel Room" + "Malaysian Man Slave" into google and be prepared for some horribly NSFW images that will make you want to tear your eyeballs from your head and toss them into some sort of fire.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I clicked your link you graciously provided
but nothing happened.
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
Scott Feldman for 2010 AL Scott Feldman
by Maximilian on Feb 2, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he meant
literarily?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 2, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats is fucking insane
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rob Neyer most definitely does not suck.
Though I am surprised by the pick, I’d also be surprised if there’s no logic behind it that I could actually get behind.
by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2009 4:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stark
his team looks by far the best to me at this point. Doesn’t hurt that he has two Rangers already. Hehe.
by Royal Swine on Feb 2, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty surprised that Neyer took Pedroia first.
Although he is a great second baseman when you factor in fielding.
by jwiscarson on Feb 2, 2009 4:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Um, he's a great second baseman when you factor in "baseball".
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, see my response below.
I was just looking at his Fangraphs page when I clicked post. I didn’t realize the disparity between him and Kinsler was that great, mostly because I thought Kinsler was around a 36 in batting for whatever reason.
by jwiscarson on Feb 2, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont understand that at all
among other things pedroia just signed a big contract, which kicks in this yr IIRC
and lincecum is going to be very very good next year
i predict that pedroia has a much worse year this year than last year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe some wench will
file his lucky teeth down, ala Hercules.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 2, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i predict that pedroia has a much worse year this year than last year
I’ll take that bet, though I would also bet against it being dramatically better.
by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2009 4:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
like i said before
its not like he was THAT good one way or another last year (122 ops+) but he was VERY above average on offense and defense which is whats important
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and that 22 ops+
is THAT good for a 2B.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 3, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How good is "that good?"
Because I’m thinking Pedroia’s offense certainly belongs since he’s a second baseman and everything.
by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen Yoda
I’m making a movement to pass this as Ed’s new official nickname.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Feb 2, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Coffin or Guardado?
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
by txranger7 on Feb 2, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps the saddest thing I've seen today.
Jeff Wilson, blogging on the DMN Rangers blog.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
by ghtd36 on Feb 2, 2009 5:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Got a laugh out of this...
“Jason Jennings remains also remains on the radar”
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 2, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i bet he signs with the diamondbacks
or goes for a hometown discount w/ the rangers
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, so the FWST is just going to take over the DMN blog
Wait until Reeves or Galloway reads the comments section over there. They’re going to be in heaven.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, best post!
Posted by dfwsportsfan87 @ 5:44 PM Mon, Feb 02, 2009
Get out of here Telegram. Durrett/Hindman or bust.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 2, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Has anyone heard what’s gonna happen to MJH with all of this? Is the DMN keeping him on, or does he go back to his old blog?
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they keep him
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He posted on Sunday.
Other than that, dunno.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 2, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
although this is funny
Rob Neyer: Would you gents like to help an apprentice BBWAA member who doesn’t know what he’s doing? I’ve already spent $9.6 million on three fine young players. Now I want to spend (approximately) $4 million on another fine young player. Is that just incredibly stupid, this early in the draft? I wish I were better with the figuring …
Buster Olney: I picked the Indians to win the World Series last year. I have no advice worthy of offering.
Jayson Stark: Wasn’t one of us an actual GM? That’s your guy. I can’t even balance my checkbook.
Steve Phillips: I would just recommend avoiding Mo Vaughn, Roger Cedeno and Kevin Appier
steve phillips is horrible
i only wish keith law was doing it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 5:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's kind of an interesting competition
You have to average $1.6MM per player. It seem pretty easy to draft 15 players around $500,000 and splurge with the remaining $32.5MM.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Feb 2, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Philips is great
I legitimately think he might be mentally retarded.
He complains near the end that his game plan of drafting expensive good players early and then taking cheap good players later had been foiled by everyone else drafting all the cheap good players right off the bat. That’s amazing.
His game plan, when dealing with a limited budget, was to avoid cheap good players. And he was an actual GM at one point (granted he’s retarded so he wasn’t a very good GM).
ESPN only hires the best!
"LSB: We’re all-scaploading, all the time." -AJM
by BAC on Feb 2, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mlb network is amazing
let me just say it
but they are playing “if your happy andy ou know it” lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 6:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
jose offerman
hard to believe hes now a MANAGER
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
East Coast Bias
Pedroia as the number one overall pick is retarded.
MVP my vietcong ass.
He can đồ khốn nạn.
by Saigon Hooker on Feb 2, 2009 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You really think Rob Neyer...
…who grew up near Kansas City and currently lives in Portland, Oregon, picked Dustin Pedroia because of an East Coast bias?
Who would he have taken if he wasn’t guilty of an East Coast bias?
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neyer?
Nah, probably free from bias. Well, maybe he picked Pedroia because he’s short and easys to hug. Or not. I don’t know.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Feb 2, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
ROFL
Red’d.
Seriously though, the only reason Nyer probably went with Pedroia is because he’s the reigning MVP.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
Seriously though, the only reason Nyer probably went with Pedroia is because he’s the reigning MVP.
Why do you say that?
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
It just seems like a logical thought process for an ESPN pundit, I guess.
“Hmn, let’s see here… I’ve got the first pick in the draft here, who do I take? Let’s see who we’ve got here… A-Rod? Naw, costs to much for my pretend budget. Lincecum? Maaybe, he’s supposed to be pretty good… oh, wait! Here’s Pedroia, the reigning AL MVP! And he’s fairly cheap for an MVP! * CLICK * WHEEEE! Your turn, Buster!”
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neyer
He’s a sabermetric type who worked for Bill James back in the day, and has been the resident stathead for their website since the mid-90s. I think you are not giving him enough credit for knowing his stuff and doing his homework.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm just being snarky
That pick still doesn’t make much sense though.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How So?
How in the world does it not make sense?
He is somewhat cheap…he is the best 2nd baseman in baseball
And as AJM is saying Neyer is very baseball savvy
I can understand the argument for Lincecum though, but Pedroia is a good pick as well
by Horns130 on Feb 3, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But as was pointed out already, there’s plenty of other 2B’s out there who will give you similar production (maybe not as good as the 2008 Pedroia, but still extremely solid) that you can still get in the later rounds. Which is why I’d be looking at a more scarce, therefore more valuable commodity like Lincecum or Evan Longoria at #1, myself.
Maybe “stupid” is the wrong choice of words, but I do think it wasn’t an ideal choice.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 3, 2009 2:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is the best 2nd baseman in baseball
i think chase utley might have something to say about that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ian Kinsler will have something to say about that this year
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 3, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Howie Kendrick might throw in a word as well.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 3, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler was on his way to having
a transcendental superstar season last year and with good health, I wouldn’t argue against him continuing what he started in 2009.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 3, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who is my guy that id have taken over pedroia
in a later round – taken longoria or hamilton or lincecum over pedroia
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm,
His contract is for $1.5MM. That’s pretty damn cheap for someone that put up a 122 OPS+ at 2B last year.
I really don’t get the Pedroia hate around here. His MVP was not wholy undeserving. I get the Red Sox backlash, but what’s that got to do with the quality of their players?
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Feb 2, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is it better than lincecum at 167 era+?
or lester at 144+
danks at ~138?
nolasco?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say he's got a much lower collapse rate than guys.
I’d’ve probably taken Tiny Tim, but you gotta admit there’s some reason to be wary there.
Tons and tons of pitches last year.
I know he’s proven to be otherworldly durable so far, but there’s something to be said for getting a guy you don’t have any concerns about at the top of a draft like that.
I mean, jeez.
It’s not like he took Derek Jeter or JD Drew or something.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its a 122 era+
its not like he can go that much further down and be “average”
what about hanley ramirez (he of the *career 135 ops+ and the 145+ and 146+ ops the last 2 seasons)? he has much lower collapse rate than other guys
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, the 40mm budget is huge.
5.5mm is a big chunk of your overall salary.
Hanley is better, but is he nearly 4x better?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is pedroia a given to be worth as much this year vs last year?
no
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The question that I have (and I emailed Neyer to ask him)…
Are they simming based off of 2008 numbers or 2009 projections?
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was curious about that as well.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Feb 2, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well that makes a difference as well
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he can be worth "more"
but im sorry, i just dont see it
he wasnt the best player on his own team (stats-wise)
if he played in kansas city or houston he wouldnt have won the MVP
he was “only” a 122 ops+
this guy has a 128 CAREER ops+
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't the best player on his own team?
Who was?
fwiw, on the SBN MVP balloting, I’m pretty sure I had Pedroia 2nd, behind Grady Sizemore.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 3, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What would the Indians have done without Grady Sizemore..
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 3, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
been very bad?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But I asked how it's a fact.
I would like to know that.
Furthermore, Pedroia’s WAR was a full win better than any other Red Sock, so what are you thinking that makes him not the best on his own team stats wise?
Also, people who think Pedroia is better than Utley aren’t worth talking to. That is a pretty small difference in OPS+, though.
by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
If you look at Fangraph’s dollar values, Pedroia was 9th among positional players last year.
The people ahead of him were:
Pujols
Utley
Chipper
Hanley
Sizemore
Wright
Berkman
Teixeira
All those guys will make a lot more than him in 2009. Sizemore’s the only one close, and Neyer grabbed him a couple of picks later.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how much more is hanley worth than pedroia?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Pedroia
is cheaper than those 8.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Feb 3, 2009 1:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the Pedroia hate.
I don’t get how people can’t separate their emotions (hating Pedroia) from their ability to reason (recognizing he is an awesome baseball player).
I hate his guts, but he was my pick for MVP. It wasn’t just not wholely undeserving, it was quite arguably absolutely correct.
by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2009 4:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont hate pedroia, i liked him when he was drafted and pulled for him when he was sucking in april
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And then insisted on underrating him after he won a deserved MVP.
by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because i didnt think he deserved the mvp
i do see the arguement yes
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you underrate him because you think he won an award he shouldn't have?
Why don’t you just properly evaluate him and in the MVP discussion argue why someone else should have won it?
by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think that there was a great choice, no one stoood head and shoulders above anyone
anyway it not like i think hes ozzie smith at the plate
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie Smith is also underrated at the plate.
You also acted like it was evident Pedroia wasn’t the best on his own team, which is the opposite of evident.
by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
underrated at the plate?
compared to who? omar vizquel? lol (KIDDING)
(and yes, i stated before he was the “worst HOF choice ever” which i took back – hes not that bad)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 4, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Underrated at the plate. . .
. . . by people who don’t realize he was an above average offensive player — WAY above average in his prime — playing a position of extreme offensive scarcity.
by philkid3 on Feb 4, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he had an 87 ops+
that is not way above average
was he good, yes. but way above average? please explain
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 4, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe it's that he's a really, really ridiculously good baseball player at a premium position and only costs 1.5mm?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
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by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never said Peds wasn't good
But like JBI just pointed out below, taking him #1 seems a bit overkillish compared to the other options.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hes simply not THAT good to be a first pick in a draft
im sorry, hes not. dustin pedroia at 1.5 million is NOT better than, say hanley ramirez at 5.5 million.
if the penny penching marlins will pay 5.5 mil for him what does that say?
do you realize he cost MORE than all 3 other players picked in the first round?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. On a team with a 40mm cap I think Pedroia is every bit worthy of the #1 overall pick.
I would’ve taken Eva and/or Tiny Tim over him, but it’s not ridiculous like some are making it out to be.
And I think you’re getting much better bang for your buck with him than Hanley, though I think Hanley should go very high as well.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why would you take pedroia (112 and 122 era+ last two years) over hamilton (131 and 136 ops+ last 2 years) , ryan braun (153 era+ ad 128 era+), etc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Pedroia is a 2B, and a very good defensive 2B.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at the end of the day hes still at 2b
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how much is a good defensive 2b worth over an average defensive 2b in diamond mind?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
10 runs over the course of a season?
Regardless, I think the thought process is that it is easier to find a cheap COF than a cheap middle of the diamond player. Which is why Neyer went Pedroia, Sizemore, McCann with his first 3 picks.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exaaaactly
Cheap, good, up the middle guys early.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Feb 2, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so there are better offensive 2b out there but they lose value b/c of defense
where is the fangraphs list of dollar values for 2b?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are the better offensive 2B?
Pedroia had the 2nd highest VORP among 2B last year, with only Utley (who is a lot more expensive) being higher.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also
longoria at a 125 era+ as a rookie
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, you've got to stop quoting hitters' ERA+'s.
It just looks ridiculous.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh thats what i get for doing LSB + house + IM lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I probably would have gone with Longoria
Or Lincecum, as well.
I’d like to know what they are using to sim the stats.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
5.5 million for Hanley
Again, that’s a good chunk of your budget. And when you factor in Hanley’s awful defense, I think that there’s an argument to be made that Pedroia at about 4% of your budget is better than Hanley at almost 15% of your budget.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Hanley was pretty decent defensively in '08?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what was his +/-?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, I was looking at this.
Plus going off things I’ve heard, all of which point toward Hanley going from putrid to passable on D this year.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I canceled my BJO account for now.
But I think it was +3, if memory serves. I know it was positive, but just barely above average.
by philkid3 on Feb 3, 2009 4:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
thats quite a jump for him
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how much of a factor does defense play ind iamond mind?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the problem with Pedroia
He plays 2b.
When you are in a league like this with 4 people (and no DH), then you bias your pick based on the depth/shallowness of the position. After Pedroia and Kinsler, there are enough decent cheap 2b options around that you can fill that position without a clunker. Dan Uggla, Alexei Ramirez, Howie Kendrick, Brandon Phillips are all decent not-too-expensive options. Or you save up your money and invest in Chase Utley if you have the spare cash at the end.
Finding 20 high quality starting pitchers is going to be far more difficult than finding 4 cheap 2b or 4 cheap CFers. Whoever gets the most pitching in the first 10 rounds will win.
by JBImaknee on Feb 2, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
but then again olney took edinson and soria (wtf?) in the first 5 rounds
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soria is super good and he's cheap, especially for an established closer.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on that
Might be the best, most cost-effective closer in baseball.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if you look over at the sidebar, you see that Olney has spent less than 3mm total, which is gonna leave him in excellent position in the later rounds.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your saying at bang for the buck he is one of the top 20 players in baseball ?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be
He’s due to make a million bucks this year and according to Fangraphs he’s been worth 16.6 mil total in his first two seasons. I’d say that’s bang for the buck.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Feb 2, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want an established closer in a league like that there aren't too many choices.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why you'd want an established closer, though
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...? Are closers less valuable in sim leagues, or are you just not a big believer in the value of a sure thing at the back end of a bullpen?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
…there’s any extra emphasis on a guy being a “closer” vs. just a regular reliever in a sim situation.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, that's kind of what I figured.
In real life there are some guys who just can’t seem to close even though they’re good relievers, and then there are guys who excel in save situations but are otherwise pretty mediocre.
If the sim league stuff just has every out as just a simple out, then there’s no reason to need an established closer, I suppose.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Sims don’t take into account the intangible qualities that a closer possesses. Otherwise, instead of taking Soria, he should have drafted Joey Devine and his ERA+ of 685 from 2008 (assuming they are using 2008 numbers for the sim).
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by Agreen07 on Feb 3, 2009 1:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
same here
closers are overrated
why wouldnt you take a guy like broxton (146 career era+) over soria (219 era+)
wow soria was much better than i realized but i just dont think no matter what a closer is a top 20 player in basball
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But he might just be a top 20 bang-for-your-buck guy in baseball, no?
Or at least a guy who isn’t “wtf?”-worthy in the first five rounds of a draft like this.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now its a little more wtf worthy $$ values for RP -- soria = as much as francisco?
Mariano Rivera Yankees $14.2
Jonathan Papelbon Red Sox $13.5
Brian Fuentes Rockies $11.1
Hong-Chih Kuo Dodgers $10.1
Brad Lidge Phillies $10.0
Kerry Wood Cubs $10.0
Jonathan Broxton Dodgers $9.8
Grant Balfour Rays $9.7
Joe Nathan Twins $9.4
Chad Qualls Diamondbacks $9.2
Matt Thornton White Sox $8.4
Ramon Ramirez Royals $8.2
Francisco Rodriguez Angels $8.0
Chris Sampson Astros $7.7
Joakim Soria Royals $6.9
Rafael Perez Indians $6.9
Frank Francisco Rangers $6.9
J.P. Howell Rays $6.8
Manny Delcarmen Red Sox $6.7
Scott Downs Blue Jays $6.4
Bobby Jenks White Sox $6.0
Jose Arredondo Angels $5.9
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are those from?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fangraphs
dollar values
sry
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla
He’ll cost almost 5 million, and is terribly defensively. This isn’t fantasy baseball, it is sim league stuff, so the defense is a factor.
Utley is $11 million. You’d be using over a quarter of your budget on him.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy f'in crap - Selig made $18.35MM in 2007?
Only A-Rod, Jeter, Clemens and Giambi made more that year. Kinda insane.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Feb 2, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yet another reason...
to hate that asshole.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Feb 2, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
He’s essentially the CEO of a multi billion dollar corporation. That’s not much money.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 2, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A corporation that wouldn't skip a beat if he disappeared tomorrow.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Many corporations
wouldn’t skip a beat if the CEO stepped down. Not many companies are completely dependent on one man. What’s your point?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 2, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
Why shouldn’t the head of a very successful sports league make more than most of the players? Especially given how long he’s been around and how much revenues have gone up under his watch. Compared with a lot of Wall Street CEOs he’s woefully underpaid.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 2, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Mavs
may….be…..slowly…..turning…….a……..corner.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
turning a corner to where?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosedale
Looking for a cheap BJ.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barkley already beat them to it
Is it Spring Training Yet?
by Smoak Some on Feb 2, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to competitiveness
in the Western Conference. I’m talking about competing for a top 4 seed.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
y?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
I think tonight’s win on the road against one of the best teams in basketball(Orlando) on the heels of a solid thumping against the Heat in Miami are significant victories. Kidd was handed the keys to the offense 3 games ago and the Mavs have won all three, convincingly. Could be a coincidence. Also could be a sign of a team “figuring things out”.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what
We make the playoffs, then what? We lose in the 1st or 2nd round, we get a shitty draft pick, we don’t cash in on valuable assets, and were on our way to another 40 something win season.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you
start beating teams like the Heat and Magic on the road by 10+ and I think its possible to consider that this team might have a higher ceiling. I’m looking forward to the games against Utah and Portland.
Lakers just lost Bynum for 12 weeks. You never know…
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the heat suck
and jameer nelson separated his shoulder in the game. he’s an all star and probably their 2nd best player.
by Beasticon on Feb 3, 2009 3:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd getting the keys
Was there an announcement or something?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 3, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
parade
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 3, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh
Kobe has 34 at the half.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
make it an even 50
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His night is done at 61
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All time MSG record.
Topping MJ’s 55
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
I would like to see the team in a meaningless game let him try to score 100 one night.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The opposing team would never let it happen.
They’d start clotheslining him on every drive and hacking his face every time he got the ball.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't the 80s
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay... How is that relevant?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't play ball like that anymore
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean with pride? I beg to differ. No one wants to get 100 pointed. They'd foul him so hard his mom would bleed.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's just that the league comes down so hard nowadays on good hard fouls.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When Kobe got 81
nobody tried that once.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Feb 3, 2009 4:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
81 is not 100.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 3, 2009 4:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
81 is not 100
but’s it’s a ridiculous amount
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 3, 2009 7:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh, saw this on hot stove
Rest of baseball this year: 547 million spent
Yankees this year: 441 million spent
rangers and bluejays are the only teams yet to give a mlb contract this offseason.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Feb 2, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Simply stunning
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, okay. You mean on FA contracts this Winter.
I was looking at that like you were trying to tell me all of baseball sans the NYY spent only 547mm in ’08.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say it that way
It’s $441M committed over the next however many years, not spent. Big difference. The Yankees had a ton of money come off the payroll, they’re not doing anything stupid or evil.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 2, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn.
I actually have stuff to do one day and this is what I miss.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
by iorange555 on Feb 2, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
um...nothing?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 2, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
have you seen nothing before?
didn’t think so.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
by iorange555 on Feb 2, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jerk.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
by iorange555 on Feb 2, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has it all figured out.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 2, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
question worth pondering
do we have more or less pitching talent than we ended the season with?
Littleton, Benoit, Hurley have been subtracted, and Moscoso, Strop, Turnbow have been added.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 2, 2009 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Diamond as well, possibly
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why
do people continue to portend that Diamond will be a significant contributor this year? Has he done ANYTHING? If he has I clearly missed it…
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he stays healthy, he will contribute this year at some point.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what are
you basing your belief on? His rep from 2 years ago? His recent performance? I know it is his second year since TJ but was he really all that great prior to the injury? His career seems underwhelming at this point.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you basing your belief on? His rep from 2 years ago? His recent performance?I know it is his second year since TJ butwas he really all that great prior to the injury? His career seems underwhelming at this point
see hurley, eric
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His biggest asset right now may be his mental makeup
He won’t go down without a fight.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again, see hurley, eric
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you want me to see
A guy who had a pretty darn good start to his MLB career before suffering an unfortunate injury?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
small sample size
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hit post too early
bobo holloman was going to be a stud before he sucked the rest of the year.
he started off his major league career with a no hitter
small sample size
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I thought maybe, just maybe, I had missed something that would indicate Diamond had a chance to fulfill his early career hype….
I think the more appropriate answer to the question, “what are you basing your belief on?” would have been: blind faith.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a little more than that..
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you stated a dudes
mental makeup in your defense of him. That teeters on blind faith in my book.
Alas, we disagree on this, and for the record, I would LOVE for you to be right.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who wouldn't?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if anything
I think Diamond can be successful out of the BP with a plus curve and fastball
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
by NothinG on Feb 2, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's where I imagine he contributes this year.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where do
you rate the ability to throw strikes in your analysis of pitchers?
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and ben sheets.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
by iorange555 on Feb 2, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CJ Wilson
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 2, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Much less.
I’d take a completely healthy E-Hur over all three of those cousin kissers any day of the week.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no offense
but why?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, we know your feelings regarding Hurley.
No need to come in and spout the same tired rhetoric over and over everytime someone says anything about Hurley.
You’ve made your sentiments known.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well my point is
you have one guy who at one point has been a successful major league pitcher
and another one who has shown flashes
and you have another guy who hasnt shown jack over AA
and it happens to be true, no offense…
i know you like the guy but at least TRY to be objective
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, seriously, you're telling me to be objective regarding Hurley?
I think a fully healthy Hurley is a good bet to be a LAIE, with a ceiling as a 2/3.
I know you disagree, and that’s fine, but don’t lecture me on being fucking objective like I’m some stupid homer noob.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a fully healthy Hurley is a good bet to be a LAIE, with a ceiling as a 2/3a
why do you think he could be a 2/3? what has he shown since AA to show that?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We've discussed this before you semi-illiterate dick.
Go back and look it up.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont expect to change your mind
but jeeze, this is like fucking botts – its one thing to pull for someone, but hurley is not that good. face it.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 2, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are the dumbest person I've ever been associated with.
There’s a case to be made with Eric Hurley you dumb shit.
I understand the case against him, but I choose to believe the other side of the argument.
You are so stupid it amazes me.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Feb 2, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"You are the dumbest person I've ever been associated with"
That’s quite a statement on this site.
by LiamP on Feb 3, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so what is the reason for the personal attack
its not like i am saying he sucks, and leaving it at that.
i have zero problems pulling out the stats (which back me up by the way) or the loss in velocity (which back me up) or the wall he clearly hit between AA and AAA or the fact that when you look deeper into his limited MLB stats that he was not as good as he first seemed.
what is the case to be made with eric hurley? please enlighten me. at least with lemon there IS a case to be made. were talking about a guy who has been horrible at AAA, not very good in the majors (when you look deeper into his stats), and now has a labrum/rotator cuff tear. please…tell me exactly what case he has at this point in time
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 3, 2009 7:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
still waiting dirk
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 4, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree - the league's worst pitching staff last year
has somehow managed to get less talented during the offseason.
That’s bad.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 2, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just wait
till B-Mac snaps in half and Millwood pulls a hammy….
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody seems to think it's a given this pitching staff
can’t be nearly as bad as they were last year but there’s probably just as good a chance that they’re worse.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And there is a good chance
they could be better. There are pros and cons to every issue you just seem to find the negative in everything. Is there anything good in your life Josey or are you this misserable all the time?
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
boomer,
we’re coming back with the same piece of shit pitching staff we had last year.
Why is it a given that they’ll be better?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When did he say it was a given?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 2, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if boomer said anything
about it being a given but the general consensus within the room is that the Rangers will regress to the mean and not be as bad…I don’t think that;s a given with this staff.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are the king of spinning things
congrats
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 2, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said it was a given
I’m just saying they could be better or worse. I’m not saying either at this point I just want to wait and see. You on the other hand seem to never see the other side of the coin you are just ready to throw anyone under the bus.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"regress to the mean"
I’m not saying it’s guaranteed but why are you so sure they won’t regress to the mean? You do understand the concept, don’t you?
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Feb 2, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Understand the concept, WyoRanger
but I think it’s possible this staff could conceivably give up more than 980 runs in 2009.
It’s not like that would be a stretch given their track record of ineptitude in 2008.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"regress to the mean"
I completely understand the concept, but not its application in this instance.
Which specific pitcher(s) on the Ranger staff could be expected to show improvement next year?
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 3, 2009 5:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood, Wilson
Jennings, McCarthy, Harrison, Mendoza, and maybe others. In short, most Ranger pitchers were injured or badly affected by defense, or simply performed worse than their talent level. The Rangers team ERA WILL be lower in 2009 than it was in 2008, I predict. There are simply too many who performed worse than expected in 2008. No, they will not be great, but they will not be as bad as 2008.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 3, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood – maybe a candidate for improvement due to regression to the mean, but his performance seems to better fit with the “downward trending veteran” theory over the last 3-4 years.
Wilson – history of elbow problems and the last we saw of him he was injured and ineffective. I don’t think it is wise to pin a lot of hopes on him. He could contribute more than last season, or less.
Harrison – doesn’t have enough ML track record to expect a regression to the mean.
McCarthy – can’t stay healthy. Expecting chronically injured players to magically become healthy doesn’t seem to fit the regression to the mean theory espoused here.
Mendoza – some guys just aren’t ML quality and expecting them to regress to the mean is a faulty use of the principle IMO.
Jennings isn’t even on our team as far as I know, so I’m not sure why you would include him in a post about Ranger pitchers that you could reasonably expect improvement from.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 3, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Mendoza is ML quality
sometimes
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 3, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The hope with Millwood probably
centers around his BABIP coming down and the fact that he’s pitching for his very expensive to get picked up next year but I’m not sure somebody like him with that many bullets spent can suddenly get in shape and make a profound difference.
He’s Jeff Suppan South.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 3, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*very expensive option
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 3, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't you been all over Suppan's nuts
the last year or so?
You went on and on about his ability to “post up every 5th day” or whatever.
What changed from September to now?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 3, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When Millwood was signed
before the 2006 season, he wasn’t brought here to be Jeff Suppan. He was supposed to give the Rangers what Ted Lilly & Gil Meche have given the Cubs & Royals.
Jeff Suppans have their place in this world but as a number 4 starter on a good team that soaks up innings.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 3, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Suppan and Millwood contracts
Suppan signed a 4/42 contract with a 12.75 million 5th year club option or 2 million dollar buyout. So Suppan’s contract is for at least 44 million dollars. Millwood signed a 4/48 contract with a 12 million dollar 5th year option that can vest based on IP next year or if the club chooses to bring him back, no buyout.
Looks to me as if both guys signed for basically the same amount of money which would heavily suggest that both were expected to perform at a similar level.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 3, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood signed before 2006
while Suppan signed before 2007.
The price of pitching went up quite a bit in one year but nice try.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 3, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how
that relates to the possibility that he could have a better year in 2009 than he did in 2008.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 3, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
collectively I just see no reason to assume that the pitching is going to be as bad as a 2008 team where basically everything that could go wrong did. That’s as faulty an assumption as saying that a team that overperformed will continue to do so.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 3, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to bet my house...
I would bet it on the staff being worse.
The benefit that the believers in an approved staff have is that this team could be the worst staff in the league again and still have improved on last years numbers.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
You and Josey are going on the record as predicting more than 967 runs allowed in 2009?
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My predictions go on the record
in late March. Everything else at this time is table talk.
Adam is the poster child of people in here who believe the Rangers runs allowed is going to be significantly lower, correct?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
my definition of an “improved” staff would be to climb into the middle of the pack. If we still finish in the bottom 5 of runs allowed I will not see that as improvement.
I don’t know if they will be " worse" but I think they will still royally suck.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You just said...
…that if you had to bet your house on it, you’d bet on them being worse.
Now you are saying that you just meant they’d still be in the bottom 5 in runs allowed. So if the Rangers allow 180 runs fewer than last year, and every other team allows the same number, they’d still, according to you, not be improved and possibly would be “worse.”
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 2, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you got me...
I forgot how catastrophic they were last year. I guess if a penny stock climbs .05 cents it is still improvement…
I take back my bet, and my house. I was clearly embellishing. My point is that the staff will be one of the worst in MLB and therefore unable to compete this season.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they
could allow 100 fewer runs next year and the staff would still “suck”. Arguing the viability of a staff that we can probably all agree will allow more than 850 runs next year is an exercise in futility.
I think there is a consensus here, and that is that the staff sucks. You wouldn’t dare predict them to have fewer than 850 runs allowed and therefor even you AJM agree, this staff sucks….
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Rangers "improve" and somehow give up 95 runs
less than they did in 2008, that total would still be last in the American League.
This was barnone, absolutely one of the worst staffs in recent memory when you consider that they were more than 200 runs over the American League average of 758 runs allowed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
Dad. Are we going to our annual game together for Fathers’ Day? I can’t wait to go see This Thing in The Show this year.
-your son, itty bitty red shoe xoxoxoxoxoxo
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you would
You are Josey’s bastard son on a life time bender because all you know is doom and gloom.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm
actually quite bearish on the Mav’s right now.
Doom and Gloom seems to be reserved for the Rangers, but only because they deserve it. You would have to be delusional to believe that the Rangers staff is going to be anything other than horrible this year. Miracles do happen…its just not what you base your opinions on.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben sheets is shaking his fist at you right now.
I wouldn’t ask for a autograph if i was you.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
by iorange555 on Feb 2, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks David Koresh
The Mavs ah yes. The team that is getting older as we speak with no cap room and no first round draft pick next year. Yes you had better hope they win this year because the cliff is right around the corner.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
f me
I meant bullish but apparently you deciphered my intent anyway….
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Just a spirited debate. LOL
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
they gotta do it NOW, but I’m still a believer.
Now about that cliff……it’s very, very close.
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 2, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok check it
The wife asked how all of us could have flame wars every night and and the end of the day make nice and start over the next day. lol
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record,
I predicted before the 2004 season that the Rangers would finish with a .500 record when just about every credible media source thought they would lose close to 100 games.
20 games into that 2004 season with a 12-8 record, I looked at the Rangers run differential and told everybody on the NMLR that they had a pretty good chance to win between 88-92 games (they won 89 games).
There are several players on the current major league team that I’m bullish on and I’m very optimistic about many of their long-term futures in The Show.
I’m not all doom and gloom. I’m realistic, meaning you’ll never see me say I have a “hunch” a team is going to be good one year unless I have legitimate reasons to believe. To do otherwise is irresponsible to the fans of the team.
Based on what we’ve seen this off-season, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe this thing will make any kind of siginificant improvement and a couple of big steps backwards appears much more likely.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I predicted
The same thing about 2004 season.
nice man.
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by iorange555 on Feb 2, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
iorange555
What reasons did you have for your predictions about the 2004 season?
I saw a mostly young, very talented team that closed the 2003 season 44-44 and was certain to improve. I also thought Soriano was going to hit 45-55 bombs in Arlington.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your Soriano prediction really panned out
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 2, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so much
and then the sob goes to Washington, one of the toughest parks for a player to hit HRs and he hits 46 bombs.
The number of right-hand hitters who hit more than 38 HR’s in a season while playing half of his games at Yankee Stadium was very small when he came to Texas (I think Joe D is the only player to do so) and I thought Soriano would go nuts in Texas (plus I thought he was two years younger than he actually was).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ARod has since joined that club with Joe D
and Soriano.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Feb 2, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs