I'm confused
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 22, 2009 10:16 PM CST
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Best Achievement in EditingWinner: Slumdog Millionaire (2008) - Chris DickensBest Achievement in SoundWinner: Slumdog Millionaire (2008) - Ian Tapp, Richard Pryke, Resul PookuttyBest Achievement in Sound EditingWinner: The Dark Knight (2008) - Richard King
It seems to me that if you win for Best Sound, and win for Best Editing, you should also win for Best Sound Editing.
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I'll explain that to you...
when you explain to me how different people win Record and Album of the Year.
Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.
That one's easy
Record = a single the artist released
Album = entire CD
-- Micah
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"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is." -Bob Feller
by The Best Micah on Feb 22, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
song of the year is the hard one, right?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Then what about...
Song of the Year?
Shouldn’t that then be Record of the Year?
Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.
No
Song of the Year connotes melody and construction; Record is overall production.
by brettgardner on Feb 22, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Record is for the artist
Song is for the writer.
Of course, sometimes it’s the same person.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
i think thats a pretty loose application of the term 'american'
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Feb 22, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
While the rest of the country sat at home watching Katrina with their popcorn, Penn took the initiative to lend a helping hand.
But, I can see where you’re coming from.
He probably doesn’t drink beer, shoot deer, drive a big truck, watch football, or slap strippers’ tits around.
Unamerican is right.
You watch too many movies Sax.
by oc on Feb 23, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
he's the opposite of
tolerance.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
Again
Too easy.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 23, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
err
im pretty sure my comment was a satirical joke. dont know why you feel the need to get in a knot about some imagined concept of americanism that i have nowhere offered as my own.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Feb 23, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
in satire you ridicule
the object of your message in an exaggerated, often unfavorable way. the point being to make those objects seem offense to your audience…im not sure what about its not making sense to you
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Feb 23, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
...Alright
So, after thinking about it, can you come up with one thing in this…
i think thats a pretty loose application of the term ‘american’
…that could possibly be considered satirical? You just echoed a sentiment that a lot of dunces have. There’s nothing to indicate that it was humorous, witty, sarcastic, ironic, or exaggerated. You didn’t convey anything.
by brettgardner on Feb 23, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
i suppose if you take it literally it doesnt seem satirical
but c’mon i think its a stretch to believe i literally dont view sean penn as an american because of his left-leaning political activisim. it was meant as a gentle knock at the buffoons who label people like penn ‘unamerican’ because of their views and commentary.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Feb 23, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
the guy who wrote milk
but good call, i hadn’t realized the dearth
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
there are more than that
going through that list, I think there are around 6 or 7. Still, definitely not many compared to other years
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Disagree...
I really liked both, but think Slumdog was a little better.
Of course they are very different kinds of movies too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I had Slumdog a LITTLE above Wall-E too..
But they were 2/3 of the Top 3 Films of the Year last year for me (with the unmentioned being The Wrestler, my #1).
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
yeah
i watched the filming of it a couple times last summer (was on my way between train stop and apartment). And by watched filming I mean stood and waited for something to happen and then left after 20 minutes.
I’m going to tell people I’m an extra.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Billy Crudup as Hoover?
Unusual choice.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 23, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'm outraged that 'The Dark Knight' didn't win every single award.
Even the one for Best Animated Short. Just give that movie a lifetime achievement award.
No, I didn’t see any of the other movies.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
by ghtd36 on Feb 22, 2009 11:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
you obviously didnt see Milk
Sean Penn deserved it much more than Mickey..
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
no he didnt
hell langella deserved it over penn too
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by studcrackers on Feb 23, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Penn was very good
And most years, compared to the previous winners, I’d have given the award to him. But for 2008 performances, he’d have been no higher than third on my ballot, behind Rourke and Richard Jenkins.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
I didnt see The Visitor, but I do like Richard Jenkins...
I think that on other years, any of the nominations could have won (I would even throw in Clint Eastwood for Gran Tourino). I just think in this climate, certain roles lend themselves to winning awards. Risk-taking and subject heavily influence the votes. Not that I agree, but Ive seen every movie sans The Visitor and I think that with everything included that Penn (regardless of his political views, which is a ridiculous thing to bring up btw) took the biggest risk and had an overall better performance in what was a better movie IMO..
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
The only real nomination I had an issue with...
was Pitt’s. When actors like DiCaprio, Eastwood, Del Toro, and others were snubbed for something that was very obviously a nomination made on the back of a studio’s political push.
On the other hand, had it been a Best Supporting nomination for Burn After Reading, I’d have been all about that, although it likely would’ve cost Michael Shannon his nomination, and that would’ve been a shame.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
Wasn't a big Burn after reading fan...
I guess I was expecting too much with that cast. I agree with you on the Pitt nom… I get that Benjamin Button was a good movie.. I just thought it reminded me of too many other movies to really sit back and appeciate what kind of character he was. All those snubs you listed were better to me than Pitt’s..
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
BAR...
From all accounts, is pretty much the most polarizing film of the year. It either works for people, or it doesn’t. Personally, I found it right up there with Big Lebowski as the Coens best comedies, but I can understand how a lot of people didn’t like it near like I did.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
sean penn
is a pile of douche wrapped in a gaped asshole
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by studcrackers on Feb 22, 2009 11:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Bobby D likes him
you got something to say about Bobby D?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Meh.
What were you expecting? He’s an outspoken activist, especially for gay rights, who won the most prestigious award in acting for portraying one of the most important gay activists ever.
It was bound to happen.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
i don't really understand what was so bad about what he said
and that milk screenplay writer said the same thing.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
my problem is
why does he have to use this stage to give his thoughts on all this, he just comes off as smug and self righteous. his entire demeanor just makes me want to punch him.
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by studcrackers on Feb 22, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
use the stage?
this is the oscar’s and these are artists. what are you new?
not to mention, he won for the movie Milk. was it wrong for lance black to say something? is it wrong for the nazi/holocaust movie makers to say something?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
True dat
Far more offensive stances have been taken on that podium than arguing that homos should have equal rights
I thought it was WAAAAYYY more awkward
When Ham Slam thanked his “lord and savior jesus christ” at the All Star Game
In BuckyB's defense...
…“homo” was Penn’s word, not his. He had a pretty funny opening line with, “You commie, homo-loving sons-of-guns…”
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
Yeah...that was uncalled for
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is." -Bob Feller
by The Best Micah on Feb 22, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
I laughed at the "eternal shame" comment
apparently, people who voted no for gay marriage are going to receive eternal damnation. Isn’t that an ironic statement after they said they were persecuted by churches?
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
by NothinG on Feb 23, 2009 6:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
semantics. it’s pretty much the same thing. the fact that he mentioned their children will even feel the shame as well.
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
no, it's not
in one you care what the church thinks, with the other you don’t
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
As long as we're talking entertainment stuff
Anybody heard the new U2 album? Leaked early and is now available for streaming on their myspace.
I dig it. Magnificent, Moment of Surrender, No Line, White as Snow, Being Born, and Cedars can already be added to the canon.
you are mistaken sir
U2 was not around in the 1960’s
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
is it better than the last two crap albums they put out?
cause I kinda stopped caring after that.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 23, 2009 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
i heard the single
and its one of the biggest steaming piles of crap ive ever heard
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Well
The single is completely not indicative of what’s on the album, for what it’s worth.
by brettgardner on Feb 23, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
Here's a pretty good review
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
I think it's a little harsh
But not entirely off-base.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
It's kind of hard to distinguish sound from sound editing.
Let’s start with the sound designer (think of the sound designer as the director in charge of sound and Scorsese as the director in charge of the picture). They are in charge of everything you hear, everything that’s recorded: footsteps, dialogue, the coffee being poured, the sound of a face being punched… everything.
Sometimes the sound designer has to ‘create’ sound as opposed to recording it. Movie punches don’t sound like real punches. And nobody knows what an orc sounds like. Sound designers have to come up with all these different layers of audio to give the picture depth, whether they do it live or electronically.
Sound editing is more or less enhancing what’s been recorded… to make you actually ‘feel’ that punch…. They take all those recordings of animal growls and mish-mash it together to form the roar of a tyrannosaurus. Most of this is still under the supervision of the sound designer, but minimal as it may seem, that’s the difference.
Sound editors are also more in charge as far as music is concerned to evoke a mood, and fixing bad audio with regards to recording dialogue relplacement. Basically a sound editor’s job is to master the audio into one cohesive soundtrack.
An award for achievement in editing is more how the picture is cut together … how the movie is visually presented in sequence.. whether that be creatively through quick jump-cut editing (think Requiem For A Dream every time the druggies fix themselves)… or whether it be suggestively dramatic like the climax to The Godfather.
You watch too many movies Sax.
Picture director vs. Sound director
I guess the picture director in those old Adam West Batman shows didn’t think much of the sound director’s abilities.
by robert_d_wilfong on Feb 23, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
On a related point...
Wouldn’t life be SO much easier if you could always know you were in a bad place if the room was tilted in some way??
That's what I was going to say.
Sound editor…not the same as an editor.
by Black Francis on Feb 26, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
I blame Clint Eastwood.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
I cant believe
anyone still watches that mess unless they are
1. gay
2. female
3. someone who has a medical condition that requires regular doses of self righteous, self important, politically correct lecturing from people who live in a fantasy world
but that’s just me
4. Because you like movies and aren't a homphobic douche.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 23, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Even you
Have to admit that the Hugh Jackman toe-tapping bit was a bit much.
by brettgardner on Feb 23, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'll freely admit anytime anywhere that toe-tapping bits suck large, sweaty man-ass...
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
by Brian Thomas on Feb 23, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
I can't fully agree with your bullet points...
but I can say that I at least tried to watch. and watching just one minute of Bob DeNiro, one of my favorite actors of yesterday, and that turd Sean Penn, was too much to handle. I just don’t really care to see how many self-righteous liberal sacks of douche want to alienate a conservative crowd by using these situations as their own personal stage to push agenda.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 23, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Gah.
If you’re alienated by someone’s political point of view, you’re the real douche.
And I’m confused—aren’t you watching because the actors are using that platform to speak? And it wasn’t some totally non-germane rant. It was quite relevant to the movie he just won an award for.
by brettgardner on Feb 23, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not alienated by views...
I’m just disgusted by the constant hijacking of scenarios by artists and celebrities on a stage, and frustrated that I have no means of rebuttal. So I have slowly faded away into apathy for such events. And I guess you should be more upset with me, then, for trying to watch at all, instead of having such feelings.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 23, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not upset
At all, I just think it’s kind of pathetic and childish to think you have to rebut any political viewpoint you disagree with.
by brettgardner on Feb 23, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
maybe it is.
but I doubt it. I think this last election burned me out on a lot of tolerance…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 23, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
I love how snide you can be
thinking I’m the childish one…and then I go back and read your last two posts, and they sound surprisingly like what you are calling me out for.
I promised myself I wouldn’t get into political or religious debate on a baseball blog anymore, and for the most part I haven’t. I deviated today, as I’ve been especially bothered by some of the things I’ve been reading, watching and hearing. So back to baseball. Moving on…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 23, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand it either.
Were there not anti-gay protestors curb-stomping out in front of the Kodak Theatre?
The actors can say whatever the fuck they want.
You watch too many movies Sax.
by oc on Feb 23, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
No no no
Here’s what you meant to say:
The actors can say whatever the fuck they want as long as I agree with it.
by brettgardner on Feb 23, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Oh! You meant what conservatives would have thought!
sowwy
You watch too many movies Sax.
by oc on Feb 23, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Wha?
I meant what Sobchak would have thought.
by brettgardner on Feb 23, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't see that...
and I wouldn’t have been too happy about anti-gay protestors curb-stomping, either
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 23, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
That's what he meant when he said "as we came here in our cars tonight and saw the signs of hatred".
You watch too many movies Sax.
by oc on Feb 23, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Agendas
I don’t care about that stuff at all. The show itself is just too damn long and filled with bad jokes and boring speeches.
LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
by LSBUser on Feb 23, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
As far as the sound, editing, and sound editing thing goes...
I’m guessing that…
1) Slumdog had the best editing
2) Slumdog had the best sound
3) Dark Knight had worse sound than Slumdog, but the editing of that sound was far superior to anybody elses…..even if it ended up sounding like shit.
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
wall-e
probably shouldve won sound and maybe sound editing. the entire movie relied on it
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by studcrackers on Feb 23, 2009 6:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would agree there
when there is not that much dialogue. Wall-e did rely on sound.
On another note, were there really just 3 songs worthy of this year, 2 from Slum and 1 from Wall-e. That is weak.
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
well there was
springsteens song for the wrestler which is what should have won and won the golden globe but wasnt even nominated for some reason
i saw on another site saying it wasnt nominated b/c it was on his album and not the wrestler’s soundtrack but he could be making that up
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by studcrackers on Feb 23, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah that was wrong
It wasn’t nominated because it wasn’t eligible, but it had nothing to do with Springsteen’s album.
Here’s the word from the LA Times.
"Unlike other branches — such as acting, which uses a preferential ballot — the music makers screen clips of all the eligible entries and then score them on a sliding scale from 6 to 10 with half point increments in between. If a member has a song in contention, they are ineligible to vote. Only those songs that score an average of at least 8.25 out of 10 among the participating music branch members are eligible to be nominated.
Since there were only three nominees this year, we know that they were the only ones to make this cut-off score. Even if Springsteen’s song scored 8/10 from everyone voting, the academy has ruled that this would not be enough to merit an Oscar nomination."
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
When there's no dialog
I think you would argue that the whole movie relied on the visuals, not the sound. I’m not saying that the sound wasn’t important. I’m just saying the visuals are what really mattered. It was amazing how expressive Wall-e could be without making a sound.
by NorCalRangersFan on Feb 23, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
i understand your point
they had to use body/robot body language, but there was alot of sound that had to fill the air without dialogue and sounds were used in place of words and to give the moods. Dialogue isn’t the major factor in sound editing.
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
Just cause you're best overall
doesn’t mean you’re the best in every part of it. Slumdog was for the most part better than TDK in sound..music, sound mixing, etc.. But when it came to Sound Editing TDK was slightly better.
womp womp
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