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Differing opinions on the meaning of today's lineup

Jeff Wilson thinks you shouldn't read anything into Michael Young batting cleanup in today's intrasquad game:

Warning: Don't read too much into the lineup Dave Anderson made for the team he'll manager during the intrasquad game this afternoon. In other words, just because Michael Young is hitting clean-up today does not mean he will do so during the regular season.

"Dave Anderson has him hitting clean-up," manager Ron Washington said. "I don't plan on doing that, but we'll see. I'm not putting anything into where these guys are batting right now."

T.R. Sullivan thinks otherwise, though:

Michael Young was batting fourth on Monday for the first intrasquad scrimmage. Manager Ron Washington smiled and said third base coach Dave Anderson made out the lineup. Maybe, but Michael Young just doesn't show up in the cleanup spot on a coach's whim even for an intrasquad game. The Rangers don't know who will bat cleanup behind Josh Hamilton but Young apparently is an option.

I think there's a very good chance that Michael Young will be the 8th best hitter in the Rangers' everyday lineup, and I cannot believe that the Rangers would really let a guy who has slugged .402 and .418 the past two years hit cleanup.

 

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LMAO!!!!

Now THIS would make some for some interesting threads and make some heads explode, I mean like, blow the fuck up!

Including mine!

Imagine if we had the double barrel version where it was Wash that put that lineup card in.

AJM would need more bandwidth for the amount of posts going on.

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.

by Chaim Witz on Feb 23, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

i imagine

there’s a few dozen forgotten rangers he could forego birthday wishes for if bandwith ever became a problem.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Feb 23, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends what your definition of best is

For the 2 hole I think he is the best option we have other than perhaps Kinsler who will be batting leadoff. Now slugging wise yeah he will probably be at the bottom of slugging percentages but that doesn’t mean hes one of our worst hitters

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 23, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions  

I'd hit Blalock in the 2 hole.

His best numbers by far have come in that position (.519 slugging %) but that might force Josh to hit clean-up.

I’d leave Kinsler at lead-off. He was on his way to a superstar season last year and there’s no reason to tamper with success.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Feb 23, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Blalock

That was also before he started trying to slug the ball. I don’t know if he could get back into that mindset to be the same 2 hole hitter he was when he did it as a 23 and 24 year old.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 23, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

overeacting

Nothing like a little overreacting to a couple of intrasquad lineups.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Feb 23, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions  

Meno blogs with his hair on fire.

You lost Bradley and you seem like a bunch of arrogant sons of bitches, your pitching always sucks!!

by shroomer on Feb 23, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Its so funny

when you have like 3-4 better choices batting lower in the lineup. That lineup was just ridiculous.

I

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Feb 23, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions  

Ron Washington works in mysterious ways

The most fun lineup decision will be Andruw Jones starting in centerfield when the season opens.

Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?

by 3744nsheffield on Feb 23, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

well

if he’s the best option available, then he should play in CF.

by JBImaknee on Feb 23, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh.

Aren’t we reaching a bit for the Spring’s first major controversy?

by Athos on Feb 23, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

Yes

but with how boring the offseason has been, can you blame us?

Other than that, what are we gonna talk up about, who is our favorite of the half dozen or so NRI’s in camp?

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Feb 23, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Sweet idea.

My favorite NRI is Kris Benson’s wife.

by Athos on Feb 23, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it is a major controversy

I wouldn’t even have mentioned it, had Sullivan not posted what he posted.

by Adam J. Morris on Feb 23, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn’t being critical of you Mr. Sensitive. I was taking a small shot at the reporters.

by Athos on Feb 24, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Josh should hit 2nd.

lineup, atleast the first 3, should probably be, Kins, Josh, Cruz…

anyone know that ‘optimal lineup’ website?

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
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by Longhorn on Feb 23, 2009 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

IMO

Kins
Young
Hamilton
Cruz or Crush
Blalock
Cruz or Crush
Salty
Murphy
Andrus

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by Parman on Feb 23, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions  

Brain poop - forgot Crush bats lefty

Kins
Young
Hamilton
Cruz
Blalock
Salty
Davis
Andrus
Murphy

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by Parman on Feb 23, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Ehhh

flip Davis and Salty and flip Murphy and Andrus and thats probably pretty close. I don’t think they mind Blalock and Davis back to back if its in the 5/6 slots and Andrus isn’t hitting anywhere above 9th to start with.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 23, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh

I really can’t get too excited about the lineup from the first intrasquad game. There will be pleeeenty of opportunities for teeth gnashing.

by WyoRanger on Feb 23, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

yeah

I will only care about lineup order on Opening Day.

by JBImaknee on Feb 23, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

holy over reaction batman.

It’s an intersquad scrimmage, with a lineup made by someone other than the head coach. Why are y’all freaking out now? Were this the lineup going into the final week of spring training you might have a point. Otherwise y’all are all over reacting in the extreme.

by Hull Fan on Feb 23, 2009 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

Adam

just wanted to start a fight by saying Young was the 8th best hitter on the Rangers. Fortunately, no one is biting.

by JBImaknee on Feb 23, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahahah

Although it’s an attention getter, nothing to conclude from a one day lineup quirk. Unless Michael has discovered a magic bean over the winter that polarizes muscle fibers, puts 12 lbs immediately on your body, improves your depth perception, and computer interlaces your hand-eye coordination with your swing speed. Oh, and for which there is no known test. Now that would be shocking!

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Feb 23, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

There is no way Mike Young bats 4th for an extended time in meaningful games.

and if I were the manager myself, I probably wouldn’t do it. But why not? Wouldn’t you rather have a guy that can put the ball in play consistently hit in an important spot like that if you are trying to maintain a balanced lineup and you have no other right handed bats that are a sure bet? What if Borbon makes the team this year at some point, and performs well enough OBP-wise to merit a look at the leadoff spot? I would continue to hit Kinsler 2nd in that scenario, and while you could move Hamilton to cleanup, I think trying to go with a righty/lefty lineup would be high on the manager’s decision list, and thus trying to avoid batting two or three righties in a row, they could throw out the following lineup:

1. Borbon
2. Kinsler
3. Hamilton
4. Young
5. Blalock
6. Cruz
7. Davis
8. Saltalamacchia/Teagarden
9. Andrus

In this lineup, the 1 through 8 slots alternate righties and lefties, and you have speed at the 1 and 9 slots, power at the 3, 5, 6 and 7 (perhaps even 8) slots, a reliable hitter in the 4th slot and hardly any weaknesses in the lineup. I mean, if Cruz works out, you can flop Young to 6th in this scenario if his hitting really slumps over the next couple of years…or if you really wanted to get tricky, flop Young to the 2nd spot and hit Kinsler at the cleanup, since he’s got more pop…but I’d rather have him get all the at-bats he can.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 23, 2009 4:36 PM CST reply actions  

Borbon

If Borbon gets better with his OBP and develops into the leadoff type hitter we hope he does then I would think Young slides waaaaaaay down in the order. Simply taking a guess at the second half of 2010 (probably when Borbon would be elevated to leadoff if he has shown he can handle it and assuming Cruz doesn’t plummet back to pre-September 2008 levels)

Borbon-CF
Kinsler-2B
Hamilton-RF
Cruz-LF
Davis-DH/1B
Smoak-1B/DH
Young-3B
Catcher
Andrus-SS

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 23, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be...

the way I want to see the lineup when Borbon and Smoak arrive as well.

If Cruz falters, plug in Smoak at cleanup (although if Wash is still around I know he wouldn’t want a young kid in the cleanup spot) and put the catcher behind Davis.

The biggest thing for me is seeing Kinsler ahead of Hamilton in the 2 hole. Those two guys hitting back to back is the key imo.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Feb 24, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

you'd be better off

swapping kinsler and Young if Cruz didn’t work out. Since Young is nothing but an empty .300 hitter, either you put him at 2 or you put him down the order, 6, 7 or 8. I just can’t imagine any lineup with Young at 1, 3, 4, or 9 that makes any sense at all.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Feb 23, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly.

and further to that point, when Smoak makes his glorious ascension, he will hit 4th sooner or later I would think…pushing Young further down the totem pole

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Feb 23, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Kinsler
Young
Hamilton
Cruz
Blalock
Jones
Davis
Salty/Tea
Vizquel/Andrus

Personally I’d hit Davis 5th and Blalock 7th, but I can’t imagine Wash going that direction…

by N41D on Feb 23, 2009 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

Any injuries today?

That would seem to be more of a concern than whether Wash thinks MY should bat 4th.

JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!

by rooster on Feb 23, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

Anyone find

a box score or report on how the scrimmage went?

by ENDLESS on Feb 23, 2009 5:55 PM CST reply actions  

Well

Either TR Sullivan’s brain has turned into mush, or Ron Washington is dumber than even I think he is.

I’m betting this is just another one of TR’s old man farts.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

What?

I’m talking about TR saying MY could conceivably bat cleanup.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry..i went back and was looking for this 'optimal lineup' website

and came across something you said about Ron is stupid for suggesting Josh to hit 2nd…still feel that way?

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"

by Longhorn on Feb 23, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

I recall seeing some lineup projections that indicated it might not be a completely hairbrained idea, but I don’t think I want him there unless we had a couple more big bats to put behind him (like Smoak and Davis).

The main reason I disliked the idea though where the reasons Ron wanted him there – which was to run him more and mold him into a basestealer, IIRC. All fine and dandy, but that’s not really the kind of game you should be using a .530 slugger for.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

gotcha

on the ‘reasoning from ron’ part…

But, you put your best hitter, overall, obp and slg, 2nd right after a high obp guy…

I want Josh batting 2nd no matter what.

Anyways…found that website i was looking for…

love the first lineup on there…

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"

by Longhorn on Feb 23, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

That is really interesting

That thing seems to like either Salty third and Young 9th or vice-versa, and either Hamilton or Cruz second.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

by the way

i used these numbers and just made a guess for Elvus.

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"

by Longhorn on Feb 23, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

...Or perhaps the Rangers are trying to blow this out of porportion for PR reasons.

LOL, WUT.

Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.

by LSJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

yeesh

Nolan Ryan is overrated, Michael Young is the Rangers 8th best hitter… Why don’t you just punch a baby in the face, while you’re at it?

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by trza on Feb 23, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

Because unlike the other 2 things that would be wrong

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by LSBUser on Feb 23, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends

who the baby is.

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by t ball on Feb 24, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll throw in my.02

Kinsler
blalock
Young
Hamilton
Jones or Cruz
Davis
Cruz
Catcher du jour
Andrus/vizquel
Bat Hank 2nd as a reminder not to pull everything, and Young 3rd so maybe he will try to pull one once in a while.

"Who died and made you King?"

by randyd on Feb 23, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions  

I kinda see...

all this MY in the cleanup spot as a little bit of ass-kissing from a coach for the “everything he had to go through in switching positions again this winter” point of view. I wouldn’t think much of it right now.

Of course I really hope he isn’t being considered for the cleanup spot. Hamilton would never see a good pitch to hit, especially in key situations.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Feb 24, 2009 12:25 AM CST reply actions  

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