BA's Top 100 List Out

by utlonghorn24 on Feb 24, 2009 10:05 AM CST Comment 40 comments

Seven Rangers make the list (unless, of course, I missed someone):

Neftali Feliz at #10, Justin Smoak at #23, Derek Holland at #31, Elvis Andrus at #37, Taylor Teagarden at #73, Max Ramirez at #84, and Martin Perez at #86.

This seems pretty promising for the top rated farm system in all of MLB. I, for one, am pretty excited to see some of these guys mentioned among names that I've heard a lot about among the rest of baseball for a couple of years now.

What do you guys think of the rankings?

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Disappointed

that Main wasn’t listed on there.

by Coolbean04 on Feb 24, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Teagarden

was #73

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby

by Haeger Champ on Feb 24, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I thought someone was missing

I went to check and saw Teagarden, you said it first though.

by Coolbean04 on Feb 24, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Edit:

Teagarden is now included. Thanks for catching that.

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by utlonghorn24 on Feb 24, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and is this the list

where Engel Beltre finished at #101?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby

by Haeger Champ on Feb 24, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Baseball Time in Arlington

by Joey Matschulat on Feb 24, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bowden at #83

Much lower than Sickels or Goldstein have him.

And Bard at #98.

Doctor please. Some more of these.

by tricer on Feb 24, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

That's more reasonable based on his ceiling

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Feb 24, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And it shoulda been 8.

54 MICHAEL
INOA RHP, ATHLETICS
$4,250,000: His signing bonus last July, an international record.

Sigh…

Also of note:
83 MICHAEL

BOWDEN RHP, RED SOX
130/29: Strikeout/walk ratio in 144 minor league innings last season.

And at least someone is out there represntin’ Denton.

36 AUSTIN
JACKSON OF, YANKEES
131: Games per season the durable Jackson has averaged the last three years.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

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by thedirkatron on Feb 24, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yep...

my only major complaint is that Main isn’t on that list. Laughable really.

IMO Perez should be a little higher (above our catchers) and there is an argument for Borbon and Beltre to be there as well, but I really don’t have a problem with either of them not making it.

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by slc ranger on Feb 24, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why is it laughable that Main isn't on the list?

He’s got a huge arm and he really impressed in the Winter, but he’s battled some injury bugs and has yet to put together anything close to a full season of success yet.

There are plenty of young projectable pitchers with plus upside who haven’t done a lot yet who could make a case for the back end of the 100. (Kyle Drabek leaps to mind.)

Sure, I’d take Main (and Borbon and Beltre) over some of those guys at the back end of the list, but I’m biased.

And so are you, probably ;)

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

by thedirkatron on Feb 24, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unpossible!

We are never, ever biased here.

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by Rodney on Feb 24, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The injury concern is somewhat valid

But I would think his performance when he was healthy would have gotten him onto the back end of the list at least. He didn’t miss a real significant amount of time. He was going to be held back a little anyway. I think BA will look back next year and really regret not having him on the list this year. Hes gonna absolutely explode onto the scene this year. Watch out Frisco.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 24, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

then

do you don’t think it’s laughable that Brackman is there and Main isn’t?

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"

by Longhorn on Feb 24, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's Manuel's response:

A: We all liked him. He’s pretty athletic with a power arm. But he threw 59 innings last year and hasn’t advanced past low Class A. It’s a high standard. His durability was a question, so those were things that kept him out. I had him 71 on my personal list, by the way.

but Brackman is on the list… LMAO

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 24, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, someone should ask him about Brackman

then him compared with Main.

would love to see that answer…

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"

by Longhorn on Feb 24, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That was my problem...

there are a few other pitchers on that list that have no buisness being ahead of Main imo.

And no Dirk A. Tron, I’m not biased in any way. How dare you even imply that. /sarcasm

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Feb 24, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yah, none of us are biased. I don't even like the Rangers at all, actually.

;)

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

by thedirkatron on Feb 24, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No, not laughable.

Brackman has been injured, but his arm troubles were known when he was drafted and he still commanded a huge major league deal, so the Yanks (and some other folks, assuming the Yanks weren’t bidding against themselves) must’ve seen something in the guy they thought was pretty special.

And the reports all say his raw stuff is absolutely off the charts when he throws, and I’m guessing that some of the BA guys have seen him throw and were impressed enough by what he brings when he’s healthy to think he’s got a chance to be special.

Personally I’d take Main over Brackman (his inability to get on the field scares the Buh-Jesus right out of me), but, no, I don’t find the idea of Brackman at the back end of the top hundred and Main in the 102-110 range to be laughable.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

by thedirkatron on Feb 24, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Brackman has been injured, but his arm troubles were known when he was drafted and he still commanded a huge major league deal

…from the Yankees. So did Carmen Angelini.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 24, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yah and we went spent on some dumb guys, too. Should Patrick Boyd and KC Herren taint Michael Main?

And I know you were just throwing it out there as an example of the Yanks being dumb and weren’t directly comping them at all, but Brangelini and Brackman couldn’t have been more different as draft picks.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

by thedirkatron on Feb 24, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And Brackman is obviously extremely talented

I just think that you have to kind of put an asterisk beside Yankees bonuses. If you review some of their drafts or if you review their Latin bonuses, the consensus is that they overpay on quite a few guys – as they are wise to, given their situation.

Brackman could well be a front rotation pitcher, but he had pretty big knocks and had slipped in rankings even before his injury because of his mechanics and control, so I wouldn’t want to confuse him with a slam dunk talent who just had an injury.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 24, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dirk

Just so you know, that’s the last time I ever want to see the words “taint” and “main” that close together…

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by RCCook on Feb 24, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I know that years ago

I compared old BA lists to results, and they erred way on the side of toolsiness. They used to love them some Donald Harris types, who could run, and throw, and run, and looked good in jeans, and run, but could never play baseball.

I have no idea how their more recent lists do though.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Feb 24, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It looks like they've learned a bit from that

but they still love them some tools

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Feb 24, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They're different

The only thing that you see now is a lot of the slick (sometimes more style than substance), low power, no walk shortstop overranked. The Arias/Betancourt type.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 24, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

From AN, He's really Michael Ynoa:

Link

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Feb 24, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting that Perez made it and not Main

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 24, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Also

I wonder how close Borbon was to making the cut

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 24, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Borbon and Main should’ve made the list.

by Coolbean04 on Feb 24, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Andrus

Compare and contrast with BP…

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Feb 24, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Braves

Imagine what it would be like for Atlanta if they had not only Elvis still but also Feliz. 3 top 10 players and 4 of top 37. Wow that would be scary for NL east foes for the forseeable future

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 24, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs