Report: Sheets may need surgery
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 5, 2009 12:56 PM CST
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T.R. Sullivan reports that the Rangers had agreed to a two year contract with Ben Sheets, but the deal fell apart when Sheets' physical revealed he could need flexor tendon surgery.
The Texas Rangers and Sheets reached an agreement on a two-year contract late last week and only a physical stood in the way of the deal being completed. But everything changed once it was determined that Sheets had a torn flexor tendon that might require surgery.
The Rangers could still pursue Sheets with a deal that would allow him to do his rehabilitation work with them in hopes that he would eventually pitch at a high level again. But that doesn't appear to be the case.
"We've maintained contact but I'm not optimistic at this point," general manager Jon Daniels said Thursday morning.
There is a lot more talk on the situation in the article, including an issue arising about who will be paying for the surgery, the Brewers or Sheets.
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+1 for Hicks and JD
.. they got the 2 year deal worked out. Too bad he failed the physical.
by mattrpav on Feb 5, 2009 12:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree.
I’ve still got a hope that they can pull a two-year deal out of nowhere, with the idea being that he’ll be here to help boost the 2010 team.
Assuming he heals (which isn’t the greatest assumption of all time) for 2010, he’d still be a great guy to have around.
by NoNameOnCard on Feb 5, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I’m still interested if they can make it work like Jamey’s idea this morning.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could someone summarize Jameys email
Its on my work account but I am home sick for the rest of the week.
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by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read it here
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 5, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Using Lieber and Yankees
as an example, offering Sheets league minimum for this (surgery) year, and incentive laden for ’10 and ’11
by texasdoc on Feb 5, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
would be awesome
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 5, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can read it
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 5, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
Do we think that he knew how bad the injury was? Trying to bankroll hoping no one would notice?
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by Section 339 on Feb 5, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why else...
Do you think they wouldn’t have jumped at the opportunity to sign him?
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
that settles that.
still upset we won’t be able to sign someone good but that’s not really the rangers fault.
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by ab03 on Feb 5, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm just surprised
He got hurt BEFORE he was with the Rangers.
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by Ted Price on Feb 5, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
+1
Normally they pass the team physical, only to lose the year to injury.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Feb 5, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Close associations with
the Texas Rangers pitching staff may be detrimental to your arm… impressive.
"Purity of heart is to will one thing" - Kierkegaard
by outofnace on Feb 5, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Looks like maybe the curse is beginning to wear off. well, until McCarthy goes back on it in a few months
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by hinduplaya on Feb 5, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jamey's idea this morning
looks better and better. Crap.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The last detail
Does the need for pitching incentivize a deal with Boston enough for JD to lower demands?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it
Sheets’ injury won’t change JD’s perception of Salty or Tea’s value. He’ll wait.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would take a perfect storm
to have Salty, TT, and Max hold their current perceived value. I have been in favor of holding out for Buchholz, but it might be prudent to shore up our MLB ready depth with Bowden and Bard. This is a departure from the way I have felt all offseason, but injuries are piling up on who we thought we’d roll with in ’09 and pitchers and catchers have yet to report.
by texasdoc on Feb 5, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowden and Bard
I’m not sure which team says no to that. But the Rangers have nothing to lose right now holding on to all 3 for the time being. Let it play out for a while.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The argument
for letting it play out is that even we don’t know which is the better player yet. But the big argument against is that there is no way other teams will view them as starting catchers when they are not. If we had a healthy Hurley and Sheets, then I am patient.
by texasdoc on Feb 5, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading now
is fine if you’re intent on contending in 2009. I understand that the “loser” might have less value, but the certainty you gain in keeping what you view as the right guy beats that point in my opinion. You have no certainty in trading that a) you’re giving the right guy away, and b) the guy you get back will turn out well.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have no certainty in trading that a) you’re giving the right guy away, and b) the guy you get back will turn out well.
That’s any trade. I’ll leave out some recent examples.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
but dailing up Theo immediately after this news breaks hardly seems like a good negotiating strategy and won’t heop the catchers’ value any. You do NOT trade them because you just have to have a pitcher. You trade them when you get good value in return. Period.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More calls to FLA?
I think the Boston angle has been worn into a round. I don’t think anything happens there.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 5, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same problem, no matter which team
if they think TX is desparate for pitching it diminishes the chance for a good value in return.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly my point.
All of MLB knows the Rangers need pitching. I am just saying there are other teams out there as trading partners.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 5, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
everyone in the league
knows Texas is desperate for pitching. It’s not exactly some closely guarded secret.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 5, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but this whole line of comments above started
with a question of does this mean JD lowers his demands. I said no, and several folks jumped in to say dump a catcher now. That line of thinking is horribly specious to me. If JD wasn’t itching to trade a catcher before Sheets’ physical, he isn’t going to be today.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They have plenty to lose
One or more catchers could turn out to be bad.
I still basically agree, but holding all three raises the question of whether part-time roles reduce player value (not to mention Max sitting in AAA).
I’d try to loosen the logjam in ST, or be prepared for serious risk. Tea in particular is not getting any younger…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The Rangers have plenty to lose. Either one could either get seriously hurt or seriously underperform.
by LiamP on Feb 5, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't the whole point
of stocking up on catchers to flip them for pitching when the opportunity arose? Bowden may turn out to be just as good if not better than Buchholz. We could use a steady #3 with no medical history.
by texasdoc on Feb 5, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was this reply intended for me?
Yes, they stockpiled catchers to potentially trade for pitching, but obviously they want the right pitchers. Bowden and his relatively unspectacular stuff, mid-rotation ceiling and strong FB tendencies obviously doesn’t appeal to JD. Neither does walk-the-world Bard.
I disagree with the notion that there’s nothing to lose when keeping all 3 catchers. I agree that Bowden/Bard isn’t the right return.
by LiamP on Feb 5, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Check Bowden's
minor league stats. We’d be wise to secure a mid-rotation pitcher for a backup catcher.
by texasdoc on Feb 5, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Salty is going to start, right?
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one will
and two won’t. That’s my whole point.
by texasdoc on Feb 5, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but you don't regard them as backup-catchers
We’re trying to figure out which is going to be the star
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which ever ones we don't evaluate as the best are going to be backups here.
by philkid3 on Feb 5, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
they could be traded and Melhuse-like guys signed as backups.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I mean is this:
If we like Teagarden more than MaxRam, to us, he’s a backup.
Yes, he’s better than that, but not to this organization.
by philkid3 on Feb 5, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whats the difference between that and buchh?
he’s not even good enough to make the 25 man for boston, does that make him worth equivalent hunter in value?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Feb 5, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Equivilent to Hunter?
Hell no.
Less valuable than he would be to another team, yes.
by philkid3 on Feb 5, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
My point is, if one is going to be a star and the other a bust, I would rather be 100% certain as to who the star will be than be 50% certain and have another #3/4 type pitcher.
They might already know that based on watching them, who knows.
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah we need to give it time
primarily to see how many starters go down in spring training…
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy dogpile
heh. I am fine, personally, with Bowden plus a reliever in return. I think Bowden could be the best pitcher on the club if he were a Ranger. Buchholz seems to be a better bet in the long run, but if you can get Bowden and a 2nd intriguing piece, I’m all for it. I’m just saying that I don’t think Sheets’ injury (which, remember, we already knew about) should add any urgency to the catcher situation. That is setting yourself up for a bad deal.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets injury
doesn’t change my thinking. The idea that the entire offseason has passed without the acquisition of a single starting pitcher (excluding Melo due to age) is worrisome. To your earlier point of certainty being absent- that’s true in any trade. Sounds as if we agree on most of the salient points, but it does give me urgency to end this offseason without acquiring a starter.
by texasdoc on Feb 5, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, i’m shocked.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 5, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
was wondering
when a report like this would come out. starts to make some sense.
by SteveP on Feb 5, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
So perhaps Jamey’s email this morning was prophetic?
What would the recovery time be if he indeed had the surgery?
Would the Brew Crew be on the hook for it if Sheets did sign here? IOW, would it be covered as a pre-existing condition?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 5, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So perhaps Jamey’s email this morning was prophetic?
Thought that same thing. NMLR from just this morning, too!
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Klaw chat
First since his vacay.
Ben Sheets: Hey Keith, Last season was my most healthy season since ‘04. Why can’t I find a team?
SportsNation Keith Law: (1:08 PM ET ) Because your medicals aren’t good and you told teammates after the season that you thought you had a tear in your elbow. I know of at least one team that thinks you’ll have TJ surgery this year. That doesn’t mean you won’t pitch this year, but I don’t think suitors like the price relative to the risk.
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=24906
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Note to Rangers front office:
2009 was not going to be competitive anyway.. hold the course.
by mattrpav on Feb 5, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well... that just sucks.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Feb 5, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So the news is not that he has a tendon tear,
which had already been reported, but that revised medical opinions indicate that rehab and rest won’t be enough for him to pitch a full season.
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yep.
Also, once again, JD working in silence to get a big deal done, but I guess that’s not news.
So, now it’s out in the open. Who’s gonna pay for Sheets’ surgery? His agent?
Another case of bad judgement by an agent whose client could’ve had a 1-yr deal through arbitration.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
by rooster on Feb 5, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Close?
Who’s gonna pay for Sheets’ surgery? His agent?
It should be whoever advised him to turned down arbitration.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Feb 5, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good one...
…rec
We couldn't have known it at the time but we definitely killed the wrong Belushi brother.
by Chad Crudup on Feb 5, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a point where you can sign him without losing our second round pick?
Mid-season or something?
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure?
I thought it was later than that…
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Feb 5, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
After the draft would be the most logical date since we are talking about draft picks
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense, I'm just pretty sure Sheets won't want to wait until June
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And then....
….Pettitte or Burnett gets hurt in May. How are you gonna fend off NYY or BOS from throwing mad money at him if his prognosis is to return in July?
by Jamey Newberg on Feb 5, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You won't :)
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Lieber cost NY
a first and/or a second when they signed him to that incentive-based deal. It would indeed suck to lose a second rd pick for a guy out the whole year. He may indeed have to sit out until June unless a big market team steps up like NYY who would only lose like, what, a 4th or 5th, after all of the type As that they signed.
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
theoretically after the draft
but its never happened
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 5, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What a relief
it is to finally be on the correct side of the contract/injury continuum.
by texasdoc on Feb 5, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Physical
How thorough is the typical pre-trade or pre-signing physical? I always figured the physical was just a formality. I am glad to see it’s thorough enough to catch a torn tendon. Can you determine that from motion exercises and feeling, or is something more invasive involved?
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Feb 5, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
With "injured" players...
It’s always way more in-depth, specifically when checking out the injured body parts.
by NoNameOnCard on Feb 5, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
except with whifferson
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Feb 5, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't assume things.
Injured players can pass physicals. Some times teams know about an injury and either underestimate it or don’t care enough about it for it to holdup the trade/signing.
by NoNameOnCard on Feb 5, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Galloway's next column
will describe how JD caused the injury.
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by henryfinkel on Feb 5, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Wreck yo self!!
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
by bspate on Feb 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that a tough thing.
Does this mean that they aren’t going to meet with Close today?
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Feb 5, 2009 1:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm still stuck in Stage 4 of Sheets Grief.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 5, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is time to move on
I have nothing to say
by rldwb on Feb 5, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Sorry man I didn’t even see this…..but now if you go look at BBTIA this morning it looks like we were both robbed!
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by Section 339 on Feb 6, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder exactly what it was that Jon Daniels did...
…that injured Sheets. Maybe too firm of a handshake? Or maybe too sudden of one, like it came out of nowhere and surprised Ben and caused some internal damage.
Whatever it was JD did, I’m sure Galloway will enlighten us to his exact culpability later today.
We couldn't have known it at the time but we definitely killed the wrong Belushi brother.
by Chad Crudup on Feb 5, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Josey: This is all Johnny Donuts fault.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 5, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can it not be?
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not fair
Connor’s would have tinkered with Sheet’s mechanics, maybe adjusted his arm slot. Could have fixed him so that he wouldn’t even need surgery. Tall and fall…..tall and fall…….tall and fall….
"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"-Tom Smykowski Office Space.
by Section 339 on Feb 5, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way that happened
It was obviously Hicks using his telekenetic powers to further tear the tendon, thereby saving himself 18 million.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Feb 5, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally
Hicks’ mind control in the FA market has gotten him so much PR.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So with Looper and Wolf
having zero desire to pitch in the AL a keen trade is the only way to improve the rotation at this point. Do you think the Rangers truly believe that they can be competitive with Harrison, McCarthy and Feldman 3-5 or are they just blowin’ smoke?
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think they can
Harrison should improve over last season. McCarthy is the best of the three and as long as he can stay healthy, of course thats a big if, he should be fine. And Feldman should be a great #5 starter. Hes not gonna put up sexy eye popping numbers but should give us 180-200 innings and probably around a 4.5 ERA. But more importantly he should take the mound every 5 days all season.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Using my knowledge of Rangers' history:
McCarthy WILL get injured and Feldman and Harrison will have very inconsistent years that require them to spend time back in the minors
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman 2008 = Ryan Drese 2004
Anyone?
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Feb 5, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman '09 = Drese '05?
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Feb 5, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neftali Feliz '10 = Cy Young 1911?
"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"-Tom Smykowski Office Space.
by Section 339 on Feb 5, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
funny
rec
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 5, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Harrison and Feldman
to have good seasons as well. McCarthy it the great unknown. So maybe the real issue is, can this team be competitive with Millwood and Padilla. I hope Nolan has them pumping iron and runnning windsprints as we speak….
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do think Millwood will have a good year
K-year + optimism
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4.50 ERA and 180-200 IP
Geez that’s pretty much sexy eye popping numbers in Arlington. That’s some pretty high expectations of Feldman
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman and Harrison
I see them both getting 30 starts 180innings with at least a league average ERA. I think Harrison will be better than average. Wouldn’t surprise me if they have better seasons than our “aces”.
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What was AL league average ERA last year?
Just curious…
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4.36
4.78 runs per game scored on average. Rnagers ERA was 5.37, according to BR.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I just found that
i’ll eat my hat and go punt babies with D.A. Tron if Feldman and Harrison combine for 360 IP and better than a 4.36 ERA.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and that was low
the 3 year ave in the AL is 4.47, so yeah, league average is about 4.50 in the AL overall.
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll still be punting babies
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but that was overall
(for the AL) I had trouble finding a stat which isolated starters for both leagues. Anyone have a source?
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I found this at the bottom
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, 4.50 I guess
But I think if the Rangers have a team ERA in the 4.75 range they’re very competitive in the AL West with their offense. The rotation ERA could be 5.00 (5.51 last year) and the team could contend with that.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Expecting Feldman and Harrison to throw
360 IP and even a 4.75 ERA combined is incredibly optimistic.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not 4.75
5.00 from the rotation, bullpen ERAs are always (well, probably always) lower. Team ERA of 4.75 is a decent target this year. I think an ERA of 5.00 from Feldman and Harrison is reasonable, it’s the 360 IP that I’d be squeamish about predicting.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he said "league average"
he didn’t qualify that with “league average for a starter.”
I think where I have trouble with it is expecting both of them to hit
both
marks.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whoops
mean it italicize that not block quote it
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant league average for starters
but I couldnt find the source that I located before or where I wrote that info down. Bullpen ERAs are lower. So league average for starters in the AL is probably around 4.75 or so. Bullpen ERA is probably around 4.25ish.
However, I said at least league ave, so 4.75. I am more optimistic than that though. I think both have ERAs between 4.3-4.6 with harrison having the lowest. If you want some of what I’m smoking just drop me a line; there is some good shit here in austin.
I will fess up if they implode…
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got the AL average for starters
without the Rangers at 4.42.
With our starters its 4.49.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Feb 5, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where did you find it?
I’m too lazy to look at all of the databases…
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bored at work
Good with numbers.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Feb 5, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok so I'm good with numbers too
(but only thru precalc) and your #s look suspiciously like gross league average for pitchers and relievers. So, I figured out where I found the #s before. You can isolate era by league, ip and type of pitcher (rp/sp) on Fangraph, download it into excel, calculate gross totals and determine whatever era groups you like.
Here is what I came up with:
AL ave era 100ip min SP: 4.23
AL ave era 20ip min RP: 3.80
combined ave: 4.08
16461.3 IP/7453 ER
Of course that leaves about 3951.7 innings (20%) of the league totals out of the equation, but at least that gives some # that can be used to measure the relative value/era of a starter 1-5.
Looking over some cool articles concerning the definition of a league ave starter, I realized that a gross ave era is useless, really (it was 4.36 last year). Rather an attempt at a league average per rotation # 1-5 is the best way to gauge what the league ave really is, and the relative values of each rotation spot.
Statcorner has an article up on doing it with TRA+ (and IP):
http://www.statcorner.com/blog/2008/10/rotation-slots-by-tra.html
Another (cruder) way is to divide all the pitchers #s (era, Tra+ or whatever) in each league into 5 groups that have some familiar or obvious relation amongst them and calculate it that way.
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, it's optimistic
to expect both of them to pitch that much that well. If the Rangers manage to coax 360 IP out of almost any two pitchers it will be a good thing. If they can get 600 IP out of any 4 it would be a nice surprise.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is reasonable
if you break down all of their starts and look at trends over the course of the season. What kind of #s are you angling for with these 2 guys?
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison is as much a possible injury, waiting to happen, as McCarthy
but I feel he is the most talented of the three, ….. a lot of ifs. I agree with Goyogringo that the year could end up being on the shoulders of Millwood and Padilla.
I have nothing to say
by rldwb on Feb 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison is nowhere near as likely to get hurt as McCarthy.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 5, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to ask that
I have nothing to say
by rldwb on Feb 5, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't been injury free in his career
Shoulder issues as well as turf toe
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by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's more than a year removed from those injuries.
… and those two things still don’t give him the injury track record of McCarthy over the past two seasons.
by NoNameOnCard on Feb 5, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Well McCarthy didn’t have a injury history prior to coming here and look what happened. They both are at risk to get injured. I don’t think either is more likely or less likely to. Harrison has been injury free more recently but that doesn’t mean anything.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Then we disagree. I don’t think it makes a difference in who is more likely to get injured. They both are injury risks.
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by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we do disagree.
Time removed from an injury = time in which the injury has been healing or healed = less likely to be injured. It’s how the body works.
Whatever.
by NoNameOnCard on Feb 5, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
OK
Then we disagree.
You can’t just say that when you are saying something horribly wrong. Turf toe is far from any type of serious injury and Harrison just had the shoulder injury a couple of years ago that hasn’t bugged him since. McCarthy on the other hand pitched around 50 total innings last year with half of them being rehab innings in the minors. He is the guy that has had blister problems in the past as well as a stress fracture in his shoulder. Again, there is no way you can say Harrison is anywhere near the injury risk that McCarthy is.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 5, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Turf toe
I would put that on the same level as blisters. And Harrisons shoulder I would put on the same level as McCarthys broken shoulderblade. Harrison stayed healthy last year. That doesn’t mean he isn’t an injury risk. If McCarthy stays healthy this year are all the McCarthy haters gonna all of a sudden forget about his previous injuries? No.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 6, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First, I'm not a McCarthy hater
I like him and think he’ll do great this year, but ignoring the huge injury risk with him is like pretending Sheets was going to come here and be a good bet to pitch 200+ innings or Bradley would be able to play in 150 games.
NNOC can tell you more about the specific injuries, but I’m pretty sure that the turf toe will never be a problem for Harrison. And playing all of last year without having any problems with his shoulder after being cleared of shoulder issues at the time of the trade is a huge deal. McCarthy recovered from his shoulder injury by having inflammation in his elbow. If McCarthy stays completely healthy this year, it will be huge in forecasting his future health (in his favor).
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Feb 6, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cause he wasn't ever a White Sox pitcher.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on Feb 5, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking more about Ks and stuff
Hes not gonna go all Johan Santana on everybody but based on last year I think 180 innings at around 4.5 ERA is very well within reach
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if McCarthy is healthy
If McCarthy is healthy I could see him putting up 180+ innings with an ERA around 4.00 if not lower
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
People need to stop having unrealistic expectations of Ranger pitching.
McCarthy WILL get injured. It’s a foregone conclusion. Feldman will NOT have an ERA of 4.50, that would require him to pitch well for an entire season. And at least 2/3 of the staff will see the DL this year. Health is just not an option people. It’s Texas! It’s hot!
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Feb 5, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I not say "if"?
Nowhere in my statement did I say he would stay healthy only that if he does I could see those type of numbers being put up.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
/sarcasm
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Feb 5, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you forgetting
the Nolan Ryan factor?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 5, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
He needs to have a bunch of snow monkeys with hams on top of the Ranger dugout. Every time a Ranger pitcher gives up a run, the monkeys let fly with ham.
Granted, that might not be the best solution in Millwood’s case. Maybe the monkeys can throw salads when he pitches.
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by RCCook on Feb 5, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but what kind of dressing? So of that stuff is loaded with fat. Maybe like a vinaigrette?
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by Section 339 on Feb 5, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
some
"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"-Tom Smykowski Office Space.
by Section 339 on Feb 5, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see where heat could cause a stamina problem
not an possible injury problem. I wish we would quit talking about heat.
There are some advantages to heat, we have the least dressed female fans.
I have nothing to say
by rldwb on Feb 5, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can see a lot of things when you're smoking whatever you are
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by Agreen07 on Feb 5, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time a Ranger SP
put up 180 plus IP and an ERA around 4.00?
Hell, the Rangers have had a SP throw 180 plus innings only 13 times in the past decade. Zero in the past two seasons.
by Bigfan16 on Feb 5, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Rogers in 2002 and 2005
His efforts got him promptly escorted out of town. Both times.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 5, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
Is he available cause we need help!!!!
by Bigfan16 on Feb 5, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anybody know
what the prognosis is for pitching well after flexor tendon surgery? I don’t know any pitchers that have had it, unless this is is what Eaton had.
"Never go with a hippie to a second location."
by jcAustin on Feb 5, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure
this is the same issue Jennings has/had.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, following the Jennings' model
you tear it again: a 2yr injury.
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
surgery
I told you so. Honest, I did. Somewhere. :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 5, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He is not happy.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Feb 5, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Time to turn our sights to Manny
Only logical reaction. MO – More Offense, baby
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did you not understand The Great Heyman?
It’s Andruw Jones!
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Feb 5, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
Holland’s a Ranger out of ST.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
been saying this since Sept
but yeah, I think so. If we are going to be as bad of a team as it currently appears, we might as well get this whole rebuilding thing going now. Also, I would really love to see Salty dealt for Bowden and Bard. The idea of fielding a rotation with our current contenders is…unsexy (to say the least).
by clark on Feb 5, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not so fast
How about giving Nippert 3-4 starts then bring up Holland. You might get an extra year from Holland if you did that.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 5, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the team
probably won’t need a 5th starter more than 3 or 4 times in April.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about
We keep Holland in the minors until hes fully ready. Hows that for an idea.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the rangers dont let any youngster fully develop
duh…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Feb 5, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep makes sense
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by Agreen07 on Feb 5, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Prediciton
Padilla and Millwood get into a head on collision in the Parking Lot on Opening Day
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"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Heh
There’s really some hilarious shit in this thread…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And they were not even driving a car.
I have nothing to say
by rldwb on Feb 5, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe Jon Daniels could screw this up so badly.
/Josey Wales
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
by ghtd36 on Feb 5, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can Hamilton still hit 96?
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There is always
Yan, Ragsdale, and Moreland…might throw solis in their around July.
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
david pasiano
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 5, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sigh.
now the inability to get the right pitching for a catcher becomes more annoying.
it looks like the rangers probably won’t sign or acquire a single player on a mlb contract. granted guardado is surely going to be on the team, but still.. what a meh offseason. All you can claim is that you didn’t mess anything up.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Feb 5, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so the weight of the 2008-09 offseason
falls on Moscoso.
Tough break for that kid.
by clark on Feb 5, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like how Moscoso went from being the No. 8 prospect in the Tigers system to legitimate top-of-the-rotation starter overnight.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 5, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood
Padilla
Harrison
Feldman
McCarthy
Put your seatbelts on boys.
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I will need to be restrained
if that happens.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get Beavan in here now
he said he could do just as bad as these guys.
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by Agreen07 on Feb 5, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This will help us all in this possibly horrible time.
1. Denial:
* Example – “I feel fine.”; “This can’t be happening, not to me!”
2. Anger:
* Example – “Why me? It’s not fair!” “How can this happen, I hate this world!”
3. Bargaining:
4. Depression:
* Example – “I’m so sad, why bother with anything?”
5. Acceptance:
* Example – “It’s going to be okay.”; “I can’t fight it, I may as well prepare for it.”
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by Section 339 on Feb 5, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/2/5/750655/report-sheets-may-need-sur#12000854
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 5, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eh
Don’t fight over a mediocre joke, :)
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 5, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man...
I can’t stop watching it for some reason
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does he ever not kill himself?
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by Agreen07 on Feb 5, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah when a Ranger starter
throws 180 plus innings with an ERA under 4.00 in one season.
by Bigfan16 on Feb 5, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be watching him
as long as it takes…I’ll be watching
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Feb 5, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
watching ...
pacman suicide or Ranger baeball?
And is there a difference?
by Bigfan16 on Feb 5, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McCarthy starts the year in AAA until the Rangers need a 5th starter, then he is called up
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by PM Productions on Feb 5, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Klaw today
Ignatius O’Reilly (New Orleans): Brandon McCarthy — stick a fork in him? Still can be a top of the rotation guy if he stays healthy? What say you…
SportsNation Keith Law: (2:51 PM ET ) No on the fork. A healthy McCarthy is a #2 starter, but I don’t know if his stuff is ever going to be what it was before the trade. Oh, wait, another pitcher the White Sox traded got hurt? I am SHOCKED.
Love the gut punch at the end.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keith is God
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by Agreen07 on Feb 5, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That interview done yet…?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Q&A is almost ready
Should be out next week. I wanted to do a few more OFP reports first. Julio Borbon’s will be ready for Saturday. Engel Beltre and Greg Golson coming up in the next few weeks.
by jparks77 on Feb 5, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome
Definitely looking forward to the scouting numbers on Golson. It’s been hard to view that trade as a win, and I’m no Mayberry booster.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 6, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Golson's OFP numbers are crazy
Ridiculously talented athlete. Plus-plus (or higher) grades in three categories.
The thing to remember about OFP reports is that they take the raw physical tools (hitting, power, throwing, fielding, speed) and offer up what a player’s potential might be. Future potential is not necessarily realistic projection. Golson might have the highest OFP grade in the system, but he isn’t very likely to reach that potential.
Beltre is the same way. Incredible raw tools that point to a superstar in the making. The problem is that most players don’t live up to the bar that their physical tools set. Golson and Beltre and poster boys for paper superstars.
by jparks77 on Feb 6, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
is going to move many spots down in my personal rankings if he doesn’t show more discipline the first couple months of the season. He has a long way to go. Still young, still time, but he needs to show he’s at least capable of moving in the right direction.
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by t ball on Feb 6, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltres patience
I am not going to overly worry about his plate discipline until he hits AA. If he can maintain a high BA thats good in my book for a kid his age. Also I wonder where in the lineup he is going to hit in Bakersfield. I think he projects as more of a middle of the order guy rather than a leadoff guy which is a different mindset. I wish they would slide him down in the order and see how he does.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 6, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the #2 guy
got off on a layover in Kansas City. Anyone think he was a top rotation guy his first year with us_before_ Connor got in his head?
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Take away his horrible 3 start stretch in April of 2007 when his mechanics were so fucked up and he had an ERA under 3.5. That includes all his injured starts and everything.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to get the seatbelts
they use on roller coaster rides. The kind that strap you down so much it hurts and you can’t possibly move.
by Bigfan16 on Feb 5, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: firefox
Its been 20 minutes since it started an update and its only 33% done, anyone else get such a slow update the past couple days? having to use another browser obviously.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Feb 5, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thats depressing..
My update yesterday went kinda slow but not that slow.
It does make you realize how much you love Firefox when you have to use IE.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 5, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
It has a torn flexor tendon?
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
This offseason has turned into a giant ball of suck.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Feb 5, 2009 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Prognosis
Free-agent pitcher Ben Sheets is considering elbow surgery that would probably keep him out for most, if not all, of the 2009 season, according to a major league source familiar with Sheets’ medical prognosis.
The surgery would repair the torn flexor tendon in his pitching elbow that kept Sheets from pitching for the Brewers in the NLDS and limited him to just two abbreviated starts over the final 2½ weeks of the regular season. The normal recovery time from the procedure, according to the source, is nine to 10 months.
Sheets, 30, is strongly considering undergoing surgery to repair a partial tear in his flexor tendon, according to major-league sources. His goal would be to return for the second half of the season, when he will be more desirable to contenders in need of starting pitching.
While Sheets possibly could pitch with his injury, the tear will not heal on its own, creating lingering uncertainty.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Stark's timing
is more realistic.
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by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
he says elbow, then he says flexor tendon (which i thought was in your finger)
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 5, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It goes all the way up I believe
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tendons
Tendons connect muscle to bone and I think they are just around bone joints.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 5, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
I just looked down at my arm and moved my middle finger and you can see something around the elbow move so I thought that was all connected.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the flexor muscle
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 5, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flexor tendons...
It depends on what you’re flexing. You have a lot of them in your body.
The flexor tendon in the elbow is the common flexor tendon at the origin (anchor) of all flexor muscles in the forearm. This is what Sheets tore.
The flexor tendon in your hand/fingers is much higher. They connect to the bone at what’s called an “insertion”. This is what McCarthy injured at the end of last season.
by NoNameOnCard on Feb 5, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
k
and the timing he’s out would be dependent on which tendon he tore?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 6, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which tendon, yes, but also...
how severe the tear is, how easily the repair/surgery goes, and where exactly the tear is (closer to the bone vs. closer to the muscle body).
If it hasn’t healed in all this time since his season ended, it’s either a pretty severe tear or that it’s closer to the bone than the muscle body. That part of the tendon is less vascular, so it will heal more slowly than a more vascular area would. Typically, increased blood flow equates to faster healing (as long as there’s no bleeding).
He’ll need to do a lot of strengthening in his forearm before he starts throwing a baseball again. A weakened flexor-pronator mass will put the UCL at risk.
As for the projections… there’s a lot of room for speculation, and most of it will hinge upon Sheet’s genetics and how quickly he heals. Some people come back fast (Milton Bradley), some people don’t (Mike Hampton).
I’d believe anything from 4 months to 12 months.
by NoNameOnCard on Feb 6, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally
The drama’s over.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Feb 5, 2009 2:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
6 days, 18 hours and 9 minutes works for me
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Feb 5, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Donut Day...
In my office, every wednesday at 9:00 am? Am I right?
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stanley...
Well, Stanley likes pretzel day
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers and catcher report.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Feb 5, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was never as excited for Sheets as everyone else because of his fragile body.
But when no one else was bidding on him, I thought we might be able to get him so cheap it would be worth the risk. I never should have allowed myself to get excited.
Damn all of you.
by philkid3 on Feb 5, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you'll learn your instincts are always right on this stuff.
just give yourself time.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Feb 5, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More info courtesy of Joey M:
The surgery, to repair Sheets’ partially torn flexor tendon, is expected to be performed by noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala. A source with knowledge of the situation said that Sheets is not expected to undergo Tommy John ligament replacement surgery.
Still, the elbow surgery likely will keep Sheets on the sidelines until August, or later. The right-hander was prepared to undergo surgery this week, according to sources, but those plans hit a snag over insurance issues and who would pay for it.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 5, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he's worth millions and arguing over a 30G tops surgery?
if you would have paid for this shit yourself in october instead of trying to screw over some random club (insert rangers here) into paying for it, youd be pitching this year…
oh, right…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Feb 5, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Pretty effing sorry on his part if they had inked the deal
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was
originally told by doctors that he could rehab it. Kind of like the Hurley and Benoit situations. But at some point in the fall he should have realized that is wasn’t healing and he needed surgery.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 5, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So presumably Sheets is off the market until next year.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 5, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing that we agreed on a deal..
Makes it hurt more.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 5, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we should sign him to a 10 day contract
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 5, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably would have to include incentives
I have nothing to say
by rldwb on Feb 5, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$1 million...
Bonus for showing up to Spring Training
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny
I’d be ok with Manny here. It won’t happen and if it did, it would require trading Blalock for 10 cents on the dollar. A Hamilton/Manny/Davis 3-4-5 would be an awesome combo.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Feb 5, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God...
No we have some money to go after Andruw Jones.
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 2:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
...so you're sayin' there's a chance....
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on Feb 5, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
who cares? hes still 3 times better than any other pitcher we have
and once again, JD sucks. hasnt traded our catchers for anybody good and it looks like our pitching will be worse than last year, i didnt think that was possible.
by Stevoo on Feb 5, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
overeaction guy?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Feb 5, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JD sucks. its proven. all he can get is moscoso. WOW.
by Stevoo on Feb 5, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
He sucks so bad, what a jerk for not signing that contract with Sheets and hanging on to the most valuable part of our team because he knows he can get a sure thing at some point during the season.. Yeah, what an asshat
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im joking about the sheets but
what makes you think he will get any good pitchers for our catchers? he hasnt brought one good ML pitcher in here yet
by Stevoo on Feb 5, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
at least it’s proven. I mean, how can you argue with science?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Feb 5, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Science damn you...
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Game Set Match
Science is greater than all.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Feb 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
something funny about jesus talking science
cant nail it down though
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Feb 5, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grandpa Urine?
Is that you?
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by Agreen07 on Feb 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also
if it’s ‘torn’ as TR says, that means he needs to have surgery. I don’t think that can heal on it’s own, with rest or whatever.
BS should have had surgery from the start; and if that was the case, he might have been ready post ASB?
How long does it take for this type of injury, anyone know?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Feb 5, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Got to give props
to Hicks, JD and his staff for being willing to spend the cash to get a top-flight FA in AND doing the homework to make sure everything was ok.
For a while, the Rangers have seemed to have a history of cutting corners whether with spending the money on the wrong players or not doing the homework necessary to build a successful team.
This is a step in the right direction (though the news sucks).
Hopefully, Sheets will be available next year.
R
by Requiem on Feb 5, 2009 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
JD sucks, are you kidding?
he has 4 good catchers to trade and the best he can get is some AAA pitcher who isnt even that good in AAA. JD is one of the worst GMs in baseball right now.
i’d rather them just have signed sheets without the physical becuz him playing hurt is much better than everyone of our pitchers healthy.
by Stevoo on Feb 5, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the sock puppet of some dude I should recognize?
by philkid3 on Feb 5, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hurlerhurley
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 5, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, this one's not HH
I think he’s using mrichardson or somesuch at the moment.
by LiamP on Feb 5, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’d be my vote.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can confirm that.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 5, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is the "no reply" policy in effect
it would be a good time to start when the crazies are crawling about trying to blame JD for some MRI machine malfunction or some such….
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no im blaming him for
him having so many trade chips and getting absolutely nothing and i’m blaming him for us not going to the playoffs and i’m blaming him for Young, Danks, etc. being on other teams, and i’m blaming him for not realizing that our pitching needs some changes.
by Stevoo on Feb 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to break my rule
but I think I can see your lip quivering complete with telltale snot bubble….
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Welp
That sucks, but at least I can take comfort in the fact that we actually made the deal instead of chickening out.
Tell you what though, this makes me wonder if Sheets and his agent knew he needed surgery all along, and where trying to sucker some team into giving him a contract so he could ride the DL and get paid.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 5, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
could be
definite props to jd and hicks for willing to do the deal but also to the medical staff/whomever nixed the deal because of the elbow issue. if we’d let that slip past then ouch!
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Feb 5, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's official
Ben Sheets, the injury-plagued, free-agent starting pitcher, is expected to undergo elbow surgery and be sidelined for four to six months, according to CBSSports.com sources.
The Great Dr. James Andrews is expected to perform the surgey.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Feb 5, 2009 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Kinda like that link I posted over an hour ago? lol
Drink Dr. Pepper!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 5, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you a player hater?
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Feb 5, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
'Cause
you never update your blog?
:)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 5, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point.
It’s kind of like Facebook/Myspace for me. It was fun for a week or so then I realized I had a life and quit. I know what it takes to be cool and facebook and blogging aren’t it.
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"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Feb 5, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's hilarious how quickly this escalated
Within hours it went from:
He has elbow problems, everyone is hesitant to sign → he has a town ligament, he’s going to rehab → he might require surgery → he’s having surgery
by BuckyB on Feb 5, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Town ligament?
Has everyone had a ride?
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by RangerFloppy on Feb 5, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tendon
I believe he has a torn tendon.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 5, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets is gone for 09 and
we beat the hell out of the pen yesterday thanks to AJM’s post. Given what we have here for a pitching staff, does the trend of rising team ERA change this season???
2006 4.60
2007 4.75
2008 5.37
2009 ????
Let’s have an over under on that!
by Bigfan16 on Feb 5, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Adam had a post on this awhile back
It should go down this year, it’s just not going down to competitive levels just yet. Getting Michael Young off shortstop will help, as will McCarthy, if he can just stay on the mound for 25 starts or so. A full season of Harrison will be an improvement over last year, and maybe Scott Feldman will continue to deceive people into thinking he’s actually a decent starter (and who knows, maybe he’ll actually become one if he’s not abused quite as much this year). Also, the peripherals suggest Millwood shouldn’t be as bad as he looked last year (although they do suggest that Vicente Padilla should be a lot worse than he looked last year). Then of course there’s the bullpen, which could go either direction at this point, but should at least have a decent closer this year.
Bottom line: I think you’ll see an improvement this year – not a big enough one to propel us into contention just yet, probably something in the 4.90’s range – but an improvement nonetheless.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 5, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not forget
about the new conditioning program and Mike Maddux. I think the era goes down to 4.87. An even half run improvement.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Feb 5, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you and Jeezus are correct
but I can’t be that optimistic at this point in time.
As I try to figure out why I think this staff will implode again, the only thing I could come up with is the definition of insanity. You know….The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
by Bigfan16 on Feb 5, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
How/why he didn’t discover this until just now. It seems as though everybody knew something was up, which is the reason why he hasn’t signed with anyone yet. He sure as hell didn’t tear the thing in the offseason, so why on Earth did he wait until right before the season to have surgery?
With a 4-6 month time table, if he’d had surgery at the end of the year, he could be pitching by midseason. Hurley and Jack I don’t get either. Shouldn’t you want to have surgery ASAP, so you can start making monies faster??
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
by trident on Feb 5, 2009 4:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
MRI
You can’t do a MRI on a player unless you have agreed on a contract unless the player gives you permission. I imagine Sheets wasn’t giving permission until now. All we had to go on was medical reports
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 5, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I think
it was all about getting a real look at recent medicals on his arm. Can’t do that till you agree in principle to a contract.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 5, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But from the pitchers perspective
I don’t understand why Sheets wouldn’t have wanted surgery ASAP, so he could be on the mound in 09. He saw his own medical reports. I’m sure he’s picked up a baseball since his last start and thought, hmm… something doesn’t feel quite right.
I know Hurley had hopes of staying surgery free through rest, and I’m not sure about Jack as I’ve almost gone dark this offseason…. but everyone knew Jack was WAY off last year. If I was probably gonna need surgery, I’d opt for it sooner rather than later.
I don’t get it.
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
by trident on Feb 6, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sheets'
issue was he wanted someone to pay for the surgery. Looks like that is what is holding it up — I’m thinking the agent is going to have to cover that one.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 6, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also rehab is usually given every opportunity
Unless there’s absolutely, positively no way that a pitcher can rehab a correctly-diagnosed injury, rehab will nearly always be favored over cutting open a forearm/elbow/shoulder and debriding/stitching/anchoring/replacing whatever is wrong.
I suspect that his contract status with Milwaukee was probably also a big consideration, but I wouldn’t be surprised if going the rehab route rather than immediate surgery was also just par for the course in terms of treatment protocols.
by Mister Naxal on Feb 6, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dang.
I was this close to getting something right.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
by iorange555 on Feb 5, 2009 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, you sort of did
We reached the preliminary agreement, but he bombed on the physical. So technically…
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by lonestarJon on Feb 5, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Baseball Gods hate the Texas Rangers....
….and I now hate the Baseball Gods.
sigh.
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
by bspate on Feb 5, 2009 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're Kracken
me up.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boo.
Which was worse, your joke or the fact that I knew what a Kracken is?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 5, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently a remake is in the works
but for me, nothing will replace the cheesy original.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 5, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen.
My first movie boobs, if memory serves.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 6, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a different movie
you’re thinking of Gash of the Tight One.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Feb 6, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but no Golden Owl for you...
I changed my mind…
by laxtonto on Feb 5, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rec!
by Goyogringo on Feb 5, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where?
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 6, 2009 3:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Feb 6, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I meant "Wreck!"
which is only a rhetorical device…
by Goyogringo on Feb 6, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So spell it the dumbass way?
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 6, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
at least the Rangers found out before they signed him.
by Redcaps on Feb 6, 2009 6:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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