ARod on Roids -- CNNSI
by Oddibee on Feb 7, 2009 9:31 AM CST
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In 2003, when he won the American League home run title and the AL Most Valuable Player award as a shortstop for the Texas Rangers, Alex Rodriguez tested positive for two anabolic steroids, four sources have independently told Sports Illustrated.
Rodriguez's name appears on a list of 104 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball's '03 survey testing, SI's sources say. As part of a joint agreement with the MLB Players Association, the testing was conducted to determine if it was necessary to impose mandatory random drug testing across the major leagues in 2004.
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players are still using
they are now using forms that aren’t detectable, but it is not as widespread as it once was, I would assume. Who thinks less than half of baseball was on steriods in the late 90’s, early 00’s?
What kills me, is the fact that it is made into such a big deal in baseball, when football is just as bad, probably worse. It’s the NFL pr machine.
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
Agree
it’s the culture of both games… not a just few bad apples.
To me, the biggest shame is the guys making money off the players (the owners, the union, the agents), are part of the culture. I wish the users would realize they are just being used…
It's similar to other hard drug cultures.
The users don’t realize that they’re being used themselves until it’s too late most of the time.
The next step in prevention
is to test the draft pool. Minor league testing is incredibly effective already, so it’s really about sending the message that draft prospects won’t get away with it either. If you get that far with the testing, then you can make some permanent steps to cleaning up the game before it ever reaches the ML level. You’re always going to have the guys that cheat once they have the money to do so, so I don’t think you can wipe PEDs from the landscape completely, but I think if you can make it something that even players frown upon, you can make a culture that views that kind of cheating so negatively that players choose not to use it even if they can.
The NFL had testing in place for years . MLB had to be forced by Congress to start testing. I think thats a reason people look at them differently. I do think its ridiculous that Shawn Merriman can make the Pro Bowl when he was suspended for four games because of roids.
the NFL was testing
but it wasn’t the strictest of testing, and they don’t test for HGH and the others.
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
it's been said a million times already
but part of the reason is that baseball players are breaking hallowed HR records using steroids. If there were no 70 and 73 HR seasons or 762 career HRs then this just wouldn’t be as big a deal.
It's also because the NFL was testing and punishing long before MLB was.
They may be behind baseball now, but for most of the lives of most sports fans they weren’t. That’s absolutely going to alter perception.
I'm getting tired head
I use to carry the torch to ban roid users and their stats and discount the entire 90’s. I agree with Andy we should start from day one when players enter the draft and test all the way through.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
And keep the tests, too.
So we can test in the future for substances we didn’t know about at the time of the tests. All players should worry that if they take anything questionable that it will show up one day. Fear is a tactic I don’t think we’ve used enough to scare players straight. Not everyone is a Barry Bonds-like guy who isn’t afraid of the shame and embarrassment.
I guess his new name should be...
A-Roid.
by Redcaps on Feb 7, 2009 9:49 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
wheres the gif?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 7, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
My problem with all this is
why isn’t the media focusing on steroid usage in other sports too? I mean, I know that the NFL has a pretty good policy on drug usage, but you know it has to be going on in every sport.
by aggierangerfan00 on Feb 7, 2009 10:12 AM CST reply actions
Personally I'm glad they're focusing on baseball.
Maybe that will push it to the point that steroids leave baseball almost completely. That would put us a step ahead of all the other major sports for a good while.
I agree...
What about the freakin’ NBA ? They were not even at the congressional hearing. Have you looked at the size of some of these players arms lately. There is no way these guys are not using some kind of PED’s. playing a grinding schedule like they do. There has never been a mention of the NBA, that I can recall. Plus the NFL has testing, but I still think it is a joke, especially the weed testing.
You really care
if NFL players smoke weed? Or are you saying it’s a joke to test NFL players for weed?
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
it is illegal
I think they should test for any illegal substance. Just like any other work place that does drug testing.
I'd rather have them smoking pot and eating funnyins on their couch
than drinking themselves stupid and pulling a Pacman in a nightclub.
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
Scott Feldman for 2010 AL Scott Feldman
It is illegal
because pharmaceutical companies have a MASSIVE influence on our drug laws. If you’ve ever smoked pot and been drunk, you know damn well which one is more dangerous.
If an NFL player wants to get off work and go home to smoke a joint instead of eat 20 painkillers and muscle relaxers, or take a shot of cortisone… they can be my guest.
You don’t want to fight, argue, or vomit… and if you decide to leave your house you don’t even come within 5 MPH of the speed limit. Besides being ‘illegal’, what is wrong with pot?
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
Maybe if you're lazy by nature
Most of my friends smoke a good amount of pot, and I guarantee we’re much more active than 85% of the people in the country.
But, if you have a natural inclination to lie your ass on the couch and go to sleep then sure, it’ll help you with both of those things.
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
So does the internet.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
Yeah!!
Let’s give lie detector tests too!
Never mind job performance, let’s zero in on what peeps do in the privacy of their own homes! On the weekends!
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
by Brian Thomas on Feb 9, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
The reason
is because steroid usage as a way to get ahead is most effective in baseball.
In football, although it helps with things like injury healing stamina build up, the real problem is that quickness has presidence in football and steroid usage over a prolonged period of time is conteractive to that.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by FormerLSBUser on Feb 7, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
Bulking up in baseball will help with some power numbers, but its far from a guarantee for those without talent to begin with. And I also think overall, steroids help the healing process in football a whole lot more than in baseball.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Go back to bed.
You have this so ass-backwards it is amazing.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Did you really just type that?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
I disagree
nuff said
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by FormerLSBUser on Feb 8, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
No, it's not enough.
Saying that steroids aren’t a huge, gigantic help in football is perhaps the single most wrongiest thing I’ve ever seen written in my life.
It makes negative sense.
I don’t even know how to respond.
The fact that you believe that makes me sad for humanity.
I need to go pet a puppy fast or this depression is going to overwhelm me and I’m gonna eat the barrel of this pistol.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
Grow
up
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by FormerLSBUser on Feb 8, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
East
My problem with all this is
why isn’t the media focusing on steroid usage in other sports too?
Because people care so much about the fact that all-time statistics are being ruined because of these steroid enhanced stats.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
Yup.
Most people don’t give that much of a crap about the sack record or the receptions record or things like that.
Baseball is by far the most statistics oriented sport, and so when something comes along that taints those statistics, it makes a big difference in how we view the game.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
Obviously
this happened AFTER he left Texas.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
I picked up sarcasm
Pretty sure most people on this site understand that Texas was a roid-haven from the mid nineties until the early 2000s
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
No worries. He's a drip.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 7, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry Hairston Jr
Beast
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
What we learn from all this
is that Madonna loves her some shrunken testes…
by Oddibee on Feb 7, 2009 10:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
she's probably got a swollen pelvis herself
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
If the owners took a hard line on testing
in the next CBA, how could the union stand against it? That would make them look like they were condoning the use of PEDS, thereby making them all look like cheaters.
"Who died and made you King?"
OT: Brooks (of BrooksWasHere) died
The original, not the poster. And not really the original, but the actor.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/07/obit.whitmore/index.html
whatever, I’m bored
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Interesting.
Brooks was married to Mrs. Roper (Audra Lindley) in the 1970s.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Call him James Whitmore
Then I’ll know who you’re talking about.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
Change your avatar.
Then I won’t confuse you with iorange.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Kinda old article, interesting nonetheless...
Steroid City: The culture of cheating in Baltimore and Dallas
Over the years, scuttlebutt and hearsay has passed through the Internet and media about steroids, particularly who is using. Not necessarily who isn’t using. Craig Counsell’s diminutive frame doesn’t make headlines, nor does he hit 60 home runs a year.Always at the center of a lot of steroid take is the Texas Rangers. What could be considered coincidence transitioned to a certifiable trend. For one reason or another, the Texas Rangers had a lot of steroid users or suspected steroid users to go along with it’s inflated offensive stats.
First it was Jose Canseco in his book “Juiced” implicated Ivan Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez. Then Rafael Palmeiro comes up with a positive drug test. Then Gary Matthews Jr. and Jerry Hairston Jr. are implicated with Florida doctor who was dealing the junk.
Of course, if I were in Baltimore, I could say the same about the Orioles. From Brady Anderson, Palmeiro to Jason Grimsley, Miguel Tejeda and Brian Roberts, there’s a lot of proven cheaters and suspected ones.
Then I began to sift through these names and stats and try to find some connection and it was rather shocking the connections that the Rangers and Orioles held together. It’s quite extraordinary. Well, I should say, maybe all teams have just as many players that played for both teams, but, needless to say, I think it’s rather surprising.
There are a couple of points:
1. Any implication that the Rangers and Orioles are just knowingly swapping ’roid users is pretty crazy. They may or may not know. But the point is to show that somehow, sometime ’roids were introduced and the inbreeding between the clubs made them hotspots for use.
2. Only a handful of players have been caught or admitted to using. Others have been implicated. Still many have been neither implicated or caught, but their careers suggest some kind of unnatural goings-on.
Let’s start with what we know:
Known Users: Players, through testing or admission, are known steroid users.
Rangers
Jose Canseco
Rafael Palmeiro
Carlos AlmanzarOrioles
Jason Grimsley
Rafael PalmeiroSuspected Users: Rangers and Orioles that through implication of court records or books, are rumored to have used steroids.
Rangers
Gary Matthews Jr.
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Juan Gonzalez
Wilson Alvarez
Ivan Rodriguez
John Rocker
Jim Leyritz
Sammy Sosa
David Segui
Manny Alexander
Randy VelardeOrioles
David Segui
Sammy Sosa
Gary Matthews Jr.
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Jay Gibbons
Brian Roberts
Miguel Tejeda
Manny AlexanderSuspected/Proven Players That Played For Both Teams: Players that have played for both the Rangers and Orioles and have admitted to, been proven to or implicated as having taken steroids.
David Segui
Rafael Palmeiro
Gary Matthews Jr.
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Sammy Sosa
Manny AlexanderOther Players That Have Played For Both Teams: Players that one time or another played for both the Rangers and Orioles who may or may not have career anomalies or any steroid suspicion.
Mark McLemore
Damon Buford
Harold Baines
Jamie Moyer
Kevin Brown
Jeff Huson
Scott Erickson
Terry Clark
Billy Ripken
Pete Incaviglia
David Dellucci
Terry Mathews
Greg Zaun
Roger McDowell
Esteban Yan
Todd Zeile
Matt Riley
Rick Bauer
Bruce Chen
Craig Worthington
Sam HornOrioles-only Suspects: Players that have anomalies in their career stats
Brady Anderson
Melvin Mora
B.J. Surhoff
Jeffrey Hammonds
Geronimo Berroa
Lenny Webster
Mike Bordick
Chris HoilesRangers-only Suspects: Players that have anomalies in their career stats
Dean Palmer
Herbert Perry
Kevin ElsterOf all these names, taking into account everyone’s career year (determined by me), 24 (almost half) took place between 1995-2000.
Honestly, I don’t know what any of this means. If there is some random connection between steroids and members of the Rangers and Orioles, one must wonder where it all began. Was it Palmeiro, consorting with Canseco in Texas, who took to the Orioles in 1994? Who knows?
Additionally, I would doubt that any one team (more less any two different teams) have had their names more associated with ‘roids than the Rangers and Orioles (maybe Oakland with the Giambis, Canseco, McGwire, Tejeda, Velarde, etc.). Factor in how many players the two squads shared and how many of those players are already known users, it’s pretty evident that a strong presence of steroids looms large over the two franchises.
It goes without saying, however, how rampant steroid use is and how much faster usage can proliferate through trades, free agency and the clubhouse mentality — a bunch of dudes locked up together over a summer with nothing better to do but play ball and make money.
There is, however, one name that has not been mentioned particularly because he wasn’t a player, but his influence on both teams throughout the 1990s is pretty evident:
Manager Johnny Oates
Baltimore Orioles — 1991-94
Texas Rangers — 1995-2001I’m just saying …
Players that have anomalies in their career stats
this is what i think is somewhat funny
brady anderson, yes something was going on there
herbert perry?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 7, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
but names like
herbert perry
jamey moyer
bruce chen (wtf)
matt riley
damon buford
greg zaun
…really? bruce fucking chen?
jamey moyer?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 7, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Add Nelson Cruz (in my book)
as somebody I would suspect.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
because
steroids can help you take a walk/make you have a better eye, right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Feb 7, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Elster hit 24 homers in '96. In nine years of playing baseball he had never hit more than 10 in one season.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 7, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
What a shock!
Please. How could you NOT think A-rod was a user. Still is in some form I’m sure.
Who cares. Let’em all juice until their hearts explode.
Yep
Didn’t you once say you sat next to Arod at some Ranger function and he was built like a defensive tackle, just beastly hulking shoulders and whatnot?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
by Brian Thomas on Feb 9, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Jose Canseco can't lie if he tried,eh?
Anyways, every title should be ‘Selig told players to use steroids…’
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
It's those damn steroid ears.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
Does ARod know
DR. X2? I bet he does or someone just like him.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8470
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I think Texas had quite a few users, but
I truly believe that many of them brought their influence to Texas, a la Canseco.
I don’t think you can use anamolies only to determine usage. If a player begins in the minors and continues use throughout his career, the outliers in statistics won’t necessarily be apparent. It could be that their entire stat line, throughout their career, is just one big anamolie because of usage.
I believe many of our “heroes” from the old days were involved, and I hate even thinking about it. The first noticeable one to me was Ruben Sierra and his muscle build up. But I think it could be a longer list, which may have began as early as the arrival of Julio Franco and Palmeiro in 1989. Reflect back.
- Franco comes in 1989, and from day one nobody even sure about his true age.
- Palmeiro shows up in 1989 as a comparable hitter to Mark Grace, and within a few years is a homerun hitter
- Sierra is a pretty lean guy, although muscular, but starts to become more of a body builder than baseball player
- Gonzalez goes from a tall lanky teenager (always mentioned back then) to a hulking man’s man of muscle. Who’d a thunk he would fill out the way he did.
- Pudge is close to Igor, at that time, and becomes a lean muscular catcher with developed power….and I believe his eyes got wider apart at the time.
- Canseco comes over, but he has already spread his seed in Oakland. Yes, the same place that had McGwire, Canseco, a supposedly aging Rickey and Dave Henderson’s.
- Elster….probably
- You saw Sosa here when he was young…..he got quite a bit bigger….could have learned in Texas, and began usage after leaving and seeing how the other guys did it.
Texas does not have a lock on a hotbed for usage, but I do believe that there were issues dating back to 1989-1990.
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
My recollection on Raffy
was that he really tore it up in the second half of ‘93 (Canseco’s first full year with the Rangers), which also happened to be the year he was playing for his first free agent contract.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
People have also fingered Nolan Ryan.
His ridiculous longevity and late career surge when he came to Texas.
I think that’s blasphemy to say in these parts, though.
You'd be shot dead if you said that to someone in person
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I purposely left him off the list....
….even though I specifically mentioned 1989….the year Nolan showed up here along with Raffy and the Keeper of the Big Gold
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
He's easily my favorite pitcher ever and maybe my favorite player. . .
. . . but I refuse to give him the benifit of the doubt for no reason other than bias.
why should I care?
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Feb 7, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i'm pretty upset myself that this is on the frontpage of LSB, ESPN, and CNN
when i didn’t think it was news at all. Obviously it is, but I just wish it wasn’t.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Feb 7, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm tired of hearing about steroids, really
and weary knowing that more names will trickle out over the next few weeks or months and we’ll just keep having it drown out real baseball news. Obviously this is a big story, but I really don’t see it as being all that important. If I were Arod I’d deny everything and sue whoever leaked the name. I might even sue the players’ association for not making sure the samples were destroyed.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
HOLY CRAP!
MLB didn’t have penalties for steroid use and a player may have taken them?! Oh my god, how shocking!!!
Seriously, big whoop. I don’t like steroid use in baseball, but I’m not about to single out A-Rod as bad just because he was better than everyone else while on steroids. Everyone was taking them. In sucks, but w/e, doesn’t make A-Rod worse than anyone else.
The people who should be attacked are the union at large and the owners.
From Will Caroll:
**UPDATE: SI is now stating that Rodriguez tested positive for testosterone as well as primobolan in ‘03. That stack(ing) would make more sense.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Well, I don't know what primobolan is. I'm guessing something to cover up a steroid.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
Steroids
are tasty. Squirt some on some nice pumpernickel bread and “ta da!” you’ve got a tasty samich, Does any one have an empty room I can live in? I truly hate this place.
"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"-Tom Smykowski Office Space.
Nadia's Opinion of A-Rod
Trading A-Rod…pure genius. Watching him play for the Yankees is comedy. He’s a slugger but that’s about all he is. What people don’t see is the number of errors and the missed grounders going through and by his feet.
What. The. Hell.
Seriously
People should stop giving her site hits, even for the kicks of the “trainwreck effect”.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by LSJ on Feb 8, 2009 4:40 AM CST up reply actions
When my g/f figured out she's getting paid, she called it criminal.
Although I’m now thinking about applying for their site. If she makes money doing that, I should make money being at least that “good.”
I'm surprised the Franchise Face hasn't been mentioned in this thread
He was A-Rod’s closest confidant on the team and experienced a flukey power explosion a couple years later. I’d be very surprised if Face wasn’t a roider at some point in his career.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
He also put on about 20-30 pounds
a year or 2 before the power explosion and lost it when testing started.
Get off my lawn.
I'm a big fan of Young as well
but I wouldn’t be surprised if he used steroids either. My recollection is that ARod took Young under his wing when he was in Texas.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I'm not surprised
when anyone is caught using steroids. I’ve always assumed managers, coaches and trainers looked the other way, and probably encouraged their use without actually mentioning them.
When you see even crappy players like Neifi Perez and Alex Sanchez were using them, as well as the superstars, its pretty clear that it was just a normal part of the MLB culture.
Get off my lawn.
Was Manny Alexander a Ranger or with the Boston organization
when he was busted?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I vividly remember an article in Sports Illustrated that talked about the Rangers clubhouse.
It was about steroids, and mentioned a player in knocking over, if I remember correctly, a golfbag full of needles and some came pouring out.. And everyone just laughed.
It was while A-Rod was here, and I began thinking at that moment “I wonder if A-Rod shoots?”
It was the first time it began to occur to me that we were a hot bed for steroid use.
Harold Reynolds was just on the Ticket
they asked him if he thought the Rangers had a bigger problem than any other team and he said no way — it was and is all over the game.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
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