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Am I being unrealistic in my expectations?

Friday afternoon, I'm driving home from work, listening to Rich Lord and Matt Jackson on 610 AM down in Houston.  610 is the top sports station in Houston.

A caller calls in with a trivia question that he found interesting, and wants to pose to the hosts.  Who is the only Cubs pitcher to win at least 200 games for the Cubs?

I assume it is Three Finger Brown, although I turn out to be wrong.  They have no idea.

The caller then gives them a hint -- he's the pitcher who gave up Babe Ruth's "Called Shot" in the World Series.

That's a dead giveaway...Charlie Root.  Everyone knows that.

Or so I thought.  Neither Rich nor Matt have any idea who it is, and after the caller identifies Root as the answer, Matt then claims to have never heard of Root.

Is it unrealistic for the drive time sports talk hosts on the leading sports station in the 4th largest city in America to have heard of Charlie Root?

Or am I just a super baseball snob?

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Heh - neither

I dont know the age of the on air personalities, but it’s not unusual for people to be totally unfamiliar with anything that happened more than a generation back. And you are not (OK Sarge, a little) sports snob. Hehehe.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Feb 7, 2009 9:47 PM CST reply actions  

Well

People who choose a profession that prides itself on its history should know something more than a generation back, shouldn’t they?

That said, you’re a snob, AJM.

by brettgardner on Feb 7, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

True

Operative term, should. They would probably also stumble on “did the Pirates keep Bob Skinner after 1959?” and the like.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Feb 7, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, I read that too fast the first time,

thought it said dick jockeying.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Feb 9, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

ED

U ARE RIGHT IT SEEMS LIKE U AND I ARE THE OLD ONES . LOL I WILL BE 81 IN SEPT LOL

by bullfighter20032000 on Feb 8, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

You have me by nearly a decade

On calendar flips. But the thing is, on this forum, there are lots of 30’s and 20’s who do research baseball history and take its’ events into account. They probably never discussed it at home or school, but know how to use the lookup tools, as well as calculate statistical tracks as references.

I really don’t think a lot of the broadcast media do their own research, and only a segment have somebody do it as part of the job.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Feb 8, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I have never heard of him

And I consider myself to be semi-snobbish when it comes to useless baseball trivia.

LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

by LSBUser on Feb 7, 2009 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

+1

I don’t think I’ve ever heard the name Charlie Root.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I hate Michael Young.

"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith

by thedirkatron on Feb 7, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Now Stephen Root

That guy is genius!!!!

LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

by LSBUser on Feb 7, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

If you've never heard of Charlie Root

You’re not THAT snobbish.

When it comes to World Series trivia, that’s one step below knowing the name Bill Wambsganss.

Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.

by WestTxAg06 on Feb 7, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

You’re just super!

The moves being made are too extra for my taste.

by shroomer on Feb 7, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions  

Am I being unrealistic in MY expectations?

While doing some research on the late great Charlie Root I ran across this. Is it unrealistic for one of the most read blogs in the 4th best baseball town in the AL West to be able to finish a Top 50 list within 3 years of starting it? Or am I just a super baseball blog snob?

LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

by LSBUser on Feb 7, 2009 10:11 PM CST reply actions  

zing

Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.

by rangers85 on Feb 8, 2009 3:11 AM CST up reply actions  

snob

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Feb 7, 2009 10:33 PM CST reply actions  

You know what?

I know 99% of the obscure trivia questions posed to me. Usually I’m the one who thinks people should know what I know.

But I didn’t know this. I’m only vaguely aware of Charlie Root and, while I’m sure I heard it at some point, I did not know he gave up the called shot.

by philkid3 on Feb 7, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions  

How irrelevant

is Root? Google news him and this is the first story that pops up.
Snob.

"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.

by AirJordan on Feb 7, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions  

LOL!!!

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Feb 7, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: Cal's shooting is ridiculous.

I don’t know how a team can shoot outside like this. The difference in adjusted 3P% between them and the #2 team is, I believe, the same size as the difference between the #2 team and the #96 team.

It’s so damn frustrating because it is and always has been WSU’s weakness. Not many teams can shoot that well, so it’s not a big deal, but when we play a team that can hit threes seemingly at will there’s nothing we can do to stop it and it just makes me cry.

I think they had a great shot at the Elite 8, maybe even Final Four, in 2007, but noooooooooo Vandy beats us in double OT thanks to being the best three point shooting team in the country and being in our bracket.

by philkid3 on Feb 7, 2009 10:40 PM CST reply actions  

I just don't get the PAC-10 this year

That game was just plain depressing. The 3 pointers are what you remember, but they got soundly beaten in the paint as well, 26 – 20. Cal makes us look like the Washington Generals, and drops a game to OREGON STATE at HOME? It’s like the Cougs have a #1 target on their back without the record or the players to back it up.
What I don’t understand is why isn’t Aron Baynes more of a force in the middle? He’s got the height and body type to own the paint. Last year he was all PAC-10 honorable mention. They guy should be tearing it up and drawing consistent double teams to free up Rochestie and Thompson. I’ve even seen him play with a mean streak. Why is he regressing? If he played at even close to the level he played at last year, the Cougs would have won more of those one point losses. Not saying that they would be the toast of the town, but they would at least have a respectable record. Maybe we should buy him a Luc Longley poster.
I hate having to listen to 950 every morning and hearing about how great the Huskies are this year. John Brockman looks like his family tree hasn’t forked in 3 generations. I despise them all. At least we beat them at football recruiting. I’m becoming a Wulf believer.

by Forstall on Feb 8, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Baseball Snob Quiz for AJM

(no cheating)

1. Name the inaugural National Baseball HoF class.

2. Put these 10 hitters in order from most home runs to least. Hint, they fall at or near the 50 HR marks beginning at 100 (ie 100, 150, 200, etc) up to 550.
Lou Brock, Jeff Bagwell, Gary Sheffield, Honus Wagner, Andres Galaragga, Buddy Bell, Robin Yount, Chili Davis, Alex Rodriguez, Rogers Hornsby.

3. Everyone knows Ichiro Suzuki broke George Sisler’s single season hit mark in 2004. What year did Sisler set the mark and how many hits did he have?

4. Name the past 4 commissioners of Major League Baseball in order.

5. The Yankees dominate all clubs with 26 world series titles. Which clubs are 2nd and 3rd on that list… and with how many titles?

the rest of you suckers can take a stab if you like… but I’d really love to see how a baseball snob like AJM does on this quiz first ;)

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Feb 7, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions  

I got this.

1. The class of 51.

2. Trick Question, none of them has ever hit a home run.

3. He set the mark in 1945 with 1945 hits.

4. Bob, Bob, Bob, and Schwartz ustertop.

5. The Texas Rangers with 21 world series titles and the Tampa Bay Rays with 1.

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by iorange555 on Feb 7, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

perfect. 5 for 5.

You, iorange, are a true Baseball Genius… and deserve to be the snobbiest of snobs.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Feb 7, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

All your questions are googable.

I will not tell the answers though, someone who is actually smart might actually want to take the test without google.

You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader

by iorange555 on Feb 8, 2009 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay

1. Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Honus Wagner, Nap LaJoie

2. Bagwell, Sheffield, ARod, Galarraga, Yount, Davis, Hornsby, Bell, Brock, Wagner

3. 1923, 251

4. Selig, Vincent, Giamatti, Ueberroth

5. Giants 11, Dodgers 9

by Adam J. Morris on Feb 8, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

well... let's see how you did

1. Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Honus Wagner, Nap LaJoie
                                                   Babe Ruth, Christy Matthewson

2. Bagwell, Sheffield, ARod, Galarraga, Yount, Davis, Hornsby, Bell, Brock, Wagner
     Arod, Sheffield, Bagwell, Galarraga, Davis, Hornsby, Yount, Bell, Brock, Wagner

3. 1923, 251 (pretty close)
    1920, 257

4. Selig, Vincent, Giamatti, Ueberroth (I did make the word ‘PAST’ bold)
       Bowie Kuhn

5. Giants 11, Dodgers 9 (Giants/Dodgers have been to the WS more than anyone besides the Yanks)
    Cards 10, Athletics 9

Overall, I’d say you didn’t embarrass yourself. Though the HoF question was supposed to be a lay up. No Babe Ruth? Really? That’s much more common knowledge than Charlie’s Root. Would you have known one more commissioner if you had read the question right? Props on the tail end of the HR question. Maybe they were guesses, but I think the non-home run-hitters are harder to organize than the big boppers.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Feb 8, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

For some reason...

…I thought Ruth was in the 2nd class.

I knew Kuhn preceded Ueberroth.

by Adam J. Morris on Feb 8, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Well....

If Rich and Matt have heard of Andre Johnson or Lance Berkman, they’ve got something on most Dallas sports radio personalities.

by Topgun22 on Feb 7, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions  

I don't get it.

What are you trying to say?

"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.

by AirJordan on Feb 7, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Just that...

Most Dallas sports radio hosts are more “radio host” and less “sports”

by Topgun22 on Feb 7, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

yah

snob

"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team

by zkmavz on Feb 8, 2009 12:07 AM CST reply actions  

but

i still love you… and i knew the answer…

"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team

by zkmavz on Feb 8, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

That is classified under

Minutiae. No body cares.

It’s not even interesting trivia.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Feb 8, 2009 7:44 AM CST reply actions  

Adam

Do you ever listen to Charlie Pallilo? I think he is without question the best sports radio guy in Houston.

In fact, I wish he was up in the Dallas area to talk Rangers baseball. He knows his shit and unlike 95% of sports talk guys he is able to evaluate talent based on stats other than HR and RBI.

by Houston27 on Feb 8, 2009 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

+1...

Pallilo might be the most knowledgable radio guy I have ever heard. I only wish that his show revolved more around him and his opinions rather than just taking caller after caller. Caller’s are idiots.

by rothe on Feb 8, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I really like when it was Rich and Charlie on 610. I thought that was worth listening to.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Feb 8, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I would hardly call 610 the "leading sports station" in Houston.

1560 the game is newer, and has already surpassed 610 in the morning show ratings. I surmise that the afternoon crowd will shift to 1560 as well once their signal becomes 24-hour in July.

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by willamos2 on Feb 8, 2009 8:35 AM CST reply actions  

Not surprising

the 610 morning guys are about as bad as it gets. Pablum and sports cliches. Bad generic sports talk.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Feb 8, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think 1560 is there yet

John and Lance have a big following, but the rest of 1560’s programming is bleah.

Ken Hoffman, in particular, is worthless.

by Adam J. Morris on Feb 8, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually find Hoffman mildly interesting in a non-sports 1310 kinda way

I like Sean and John at times, but they are too college football intensive for my full support.

Charlie is OK on 790, but like someone else mentioned, he takes too many idiot callers, and his show lacks good sports dialogue due to the lack of a co-host.

Richard Justice is the one who is worthless to me (on 1560). He keeps popping up on different people’s shows, and he’s just brutal to listen to.

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Feb 8, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

plus RE: Charlie

he’s kind of an arrogant prick from my own personal experience.

I was at one of his off-site shows one day last year when he had just finished talking with Joe Theismann talking about Art Monk’s chances to get one of the 6 spots available for induction into the HOF.

At the break, I just casually mentioned to him that they changed it to 7 spots available and after ignoring me, I repeated myself quietly just in a “heads up” kind of way, and he proceeded to argue with me that I was wrong. Mind you, he had a computer right in front of him that he could have used to look it up.

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Feb 8, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

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