Defensive stats on Andruw Jones
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 8, 2009 8:55 PM CST
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PrintThe defensive stats on Andruw Jones for the past three years:
2008:
UZR/150: +12.4
Dewan: -4
PMR RAA/4000: +3.1
2007:
UZR/150: +20.5
Dewan: +22
PMR RAA/4000: +9.3
2006:
UZR/150: +19.5
Dewan: +27
PMR RAA/4000: +1.6
The UZR and PMR figures both represent the number of runs saved above or below average over a set frame of reference...150 games for UZR, 4000 balls in play for PMR.
Not a whole lot of agreement using this data, although there are obvious sample size issues for 2008, given how little Jones played.
But all three models seem to reflect that Jones was down last year compared to historically.
Whether or not Jones can hit is obviously a major issue...but the bigger question may be, how good can he be defensively? Because if he performs in the field like he did in 2007, then even if he hits like he did in 2007, I suspect he'd end up being the Rangers' regular CF'er.
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I know I shouldn't do this, but...
What do steroids have to do with defense?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Don't you know
Without the roids he has gotten fat which slows him down!
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
Considering how much they help hand eye coordination and general athleticism. .
. . . I would assume quite a bit.
Maybe a lot less than hitting, but still.
Not that I think that’s what’s at work here.
Steroids help...
hand/eye coordination? Says who?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Says more than a handful of doctors I've seen/read/heard interviewed on the subject over the last 10 years of my life.
I should say, as I understand it, that it would be phrased better as “there are steroids that can increase ones hand eye coordination.” Not that everything you inject in your body improves those things.
A Google search got boring before I found anything more concrete that I’m doing (doctor on radio said _____). A Google Scholar search, however, brings up a number of steroid descriptions, including many that enhance hand-eye coordination. None that I find are designed for athletes that I can tell, but it’s certainly a practice.
If you care enough to search for longer than I feel like (or get pulled in to a discussion with people who have a bigger database of baseball articles than I do), I’m sure you’ll find something.
Someone elsewhere put it this way:
Roids help hands to get where the eye wants them faster and with greater power. Muscle responsiveness and strength are connected, so in many cases, I would consider increased strength directly linked to improved hand-eye coordination.
A cursory google search...
says it’s certainly not conclusive. Not enough to say “considering how much they help hand eye coordination.” I looked on Google scholar and didn’t see anything conclusive there, either.
I don’t think phrasing it “thee are steroids” helps, either.-
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Meh.
It’s what I’ve heard a people who may have an agend I’m unaware of, but know more than anyone here who’s spoken up.
Ah, Miles' secret sources...
strike again.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
I suppose its just
a coincidence that sprinters like Ben Johnson pumped steroids to run faster. Stronger also can mean quicker and faster.
Get off my lawn.
I think Jones improves significantly
I think he has a huge chip on his shoulder right now.
I kind of see Shaq in him. People thought he was washed up and couldn’t play anymore. Once he went to Phoenix, started working out, getting back in shape, and showed motivation to excel.
Jones might not be an offensive force like in the past but I DEFINITELY think he’ll get in shape and be great defensively again.
All I know
Is that Jones picked the Rangers over the Yankees for the same amount of money. I think by doing that, Jones is trying to get his career on track. Maybe he feels with Jaramillo and our park, he can be successful again.
Maybe he felt even if he didn’t work hard, he’d still get a big fat contract because of his name. Maybe his eyes opened up since he can’t even get a major league deal from a team.
I think he’s going to try to prove a lot of people wrong.
I think any time a player who was very good at one point and they get their dick knocked in the dirt are going to try to prove people wrong. Doesn’t mean they can though.
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
by boomer1 on Feb 8, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
That’s why I said his offensive game might not come back but it’s a lot easier for his + defense to come back. He mostly just has to get in shape again for that.
Or maybe the Rangers offered him a better chance to play regularly
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 8, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
I saw something mentioned that Someone asked him about Boston in his FA year, and he said something to the effect of “Nah, too cold.” As a Curacao/ Atlanta boy I think another factor could be the local clime…
Although ballpark and playing time make a lot more sense for him in Texas.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Don't you think
He would have had that chip last year and the year before?
Sheets or bust
Damn you rotator cuff damn you!
because he's a Ranger, damnit.
And if you don’t like it, you can giiiiiit out.
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by Maximilian on Feb 8, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
he would have had it the year before
not really last year since he just got paid.
it is kind of upsetting that he couldn’t put together a good year in his contract year
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
lolwut
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by Maximilian on Feb 8, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a solid picture..
A picture like this works better without text. It could have been smaller, but I applaud your effort just the same.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 8, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
high praise from the picture arbiter
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Damn straight.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 9, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
he hits a lot of line drives
This guy at fangraphs thinks it is sustainable.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
jeter has a .361 career BABIP in 3000+ ABs
ichiro at .357
miguel cabrera .353
bobby abreu .348
wade boggs .343
ty cobb was at .368 (highest ever in 3000 ABs)
its possible…just not probable
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
kemp
his BABIP in 958 minor league at bats was .368, plus the .376 BABIP in 1052 at bats at the major league level. So he has sustained basically that same level of BABIP for over 2000 professional at bats now.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
Having seen him in person in the minors,
I’ll say he’s exactly the same hitter now as he was then. Almost every ball he hits is a rope. He has one of the best line-drive swings I’ve ever seen, with additional loft on top of that. He’s very capable of sustaining a BABIP that high if he stays healthy and doesn’t become power-hungry.
but are you saying
you’d rather have Marlon Byrd in CF (assuming Jones puts up an 800 OPS)?
Honestly, if Byrd replicates his 2008 in CF, then he’s a pretty damn good CF all around. I just don’t think his CF stats are real.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Byrd
Am I the only one that thinks he’s truly overrated???
He had one SUPER HOT month and that’s what saved his season. Going by his BA and OBP each month, he wasn’t all that valuable.
April – .148 BA , .281 OBP , .577 OPS
May – .300 BA , .323 OBP , .756 OPS
June – .268 BA , .365 OBP , .780 OPS
July – .268 BA , .358 OBP , .823 OPS
Aug – .393 BA , .468 OBP , 1.076 OPS
Sep – .293 BA , .370 OBP , .772 OPS
So Byrd puts up an OPS over .800 2 out of 6 months and everyone thinks he was doing it all year or something.
Well
you can’t really cherry-pick like that. If you take out other player’s best months, they usually won’t look that hot either.
Byrd had a good year last year. And his OBP was good for 4 of the 6 months, the kind I’d take from any CF.
The question is whether he’ll have more like the last year, or will he be significantly worse like his previous career.
But I guess ab03 and I are both a little skeptical that Byrd is a true 123 OPS+ player. But he’s currently not a bad option to have out there.
R
Hence you should judge a player by their entire season instead of just picking a month.
Games in July and August are just as valuable as games in April. The fact that he sucked in April and was awesome in August doesn’t change the total product much.
I do think 2008 might well end up the best year of his career, though. I would expect no better than .350 wOBA again next year, and would not be surprised by worse. I’ll be shocked if Andruw Jones even approaches that, though.
(And hey, look! That’s what Chone says, too!)
Interesting tidbit from the NY Post
Jones reportedly turned down an offer from the New York Yankees to compete for an outfield spot. A source told the New York Post that Jones picked the Rangers so he could work with batting coach Rudy Jaramillo.
So, maybe he is trying to resurrect his career.
Of course, I’ll believe it when I see it.
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Andruw's D
It’s really all I care about. If he can somehow regain his GG form, I’m pretty confident he’ll be worth having around. If he can’t, then I really see no need for him.
Hopefully, he can teach Borbon a few tricks about getting his reads during ST.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
and then Borbon could teach him
about work ethic and not simply relying on your talent.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I agree with the D
any offensive production we could potentially get is icing.
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Those numbers
make it look like his defense was fine before the injury.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
well, the knock on his defense
was just that he wasn’t the best CFer anymore. He was still above average though
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
OT: Jamal Anderson arrested on felony cocaine/marijuana posession
I watched him often on ESPN First Take, and he came off as an extremely bright guy, and was a good debater against the permadouche Skip Bayless.
This was definitely somewhat of a shock to me.
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
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cocaine and marijuana
not really a big deal, although he’s maybe a bit old to be doing that stuff in a club bathroom stall with another dude
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Yeah I know
I’m libertarian with my views on illicit drug use, and don’t care if he does it in his spare time, but I just never took him for the type that would get caught up with it. He’s debated several topics with Skip about athletes and drugs/getting in trouble, so it’s quite the hypocrisy at this point.
Looks like he’s done on First Take.
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Nother OT:
Watching a baby trying to sneak out of M.I.A while she was performing at the Grammys was really disturbing.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
yeah!
But man I love that song.
As a corollary, my neighbors now probably hate me.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 8, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Cat vs Jones
I can only get behind this move if Jones replaces Cat on the roster. Having a bench player that’s decent in center field gives this team more flexibility. He’s probably going to be at least as good against lefties as Cat would be (hopefully better) and if he can be passable against right handers that’s a plus. Blalock and Davis have that 1B/DH that struggle against lefties schtick down. Cat is an expensive surplus. Hopefully Hicks won’t mind eating Cat’s contract.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
I certainly hope
regardless of the rest of the makeup of the team, they release Cat.
One of the worst signings in recent years. Can’t field. Can’t throw. Can’t hit lefties at all. Doesn’t hit righties well enough to make up for his other issues. Just a tremendous zero on the bench.
Get off my lawn.
and cost a 1st rd pick
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Who was takin with that pick?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Kevin Ahrens
Sub 700 OPS in A ball last year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Ahrens
would probably be the top 3b prospect in our system.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
I'd take Johnny
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Which is really kinda sad
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The Blue Jays were the ones who selected him. It's possible the Rangers might have selected someone different.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 9, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
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