Alex Rodriguez admits to steroid use
by Brett Perryman on Feb 9, 2009 1:47 PM CST
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PrintARod admitted to use of banned substances while with the Rangers in an interview with Peter Gammons that will air in full on SportsCenter. Sounds like there is some hedging, but at least he admitted something, I guess.
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Having only read the ESPN story...
How did he hedge?
Sounds like:
1. Yes, took steroids in Texas
2. No, not in New York.
I don’t know whether he spoke about Seattle but why would he (or Gammons)?
Go Strangers.
The hedge:
that he didn’t really know what he was taking, a lot talk about GNC and that stuff. That’s not to say that he’s not telling the truth to some degree, as these guys wouldn’t have known everything about what they were getting. But I’d be pretty surprised if he didn’t know that he was taking anabolic steroids. I can totally see the grey area for them on the whole issue, but I think that they know when they are being given something that is considered an anabolic steroid.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 9, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, but he wasn't being truthful with himself
How could he be truthful with Peter Gammons?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
Already a diary on the side
now you make me look like an ass. Thanks Z…Sorry, roid rage.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
I actually moved yours for a second
but it didn’t have a link, and it had that 75 word message at the bottom, which wouldn’t have looked good on the front page.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 9, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
I fixed that though for whatever it’s worth. You can delete my fanpost since you have this one up though.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
I was saying I didn't mind if you deleted it
so all the discussion could be in one place. What’s up your butt?
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
A coconut?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Oh dear god
I wonder what the over/under on how many “A-Roid” or “A-Fraud” signs we will see during a Yankee game on ESPN
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
A-Roid is a little funny to me. I’ve never been amused by A-fraud.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 9, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
A-fraud just makes no sense
Since what fraud was he perpetrating? He was worth every penny of that huge contract – he’s easily been the best player in baseball the past 12 years. There is no fraud there.
I think it's in reference to his personality
that he’s “fake”
by Brett Perryman on Feb 9, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Lots of people are "fake"
I don’t think I’ve ever thought of them as frauds (except the ones who misrepresent how good they are at what they do, which ARod doesn’t do). I always thought the term was with regard to the fact ARod didn’t bring the championships to NY like he was supposed to.
I thought the whole A-fraud thing really took off
after this incident.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
I guess it depends on who we're talking about calling him that
People here had taken to calling him that while he was here. I have a bit on my iPod where Gordon is imitating Juan Gonzalez and calling him A-Fraud (which may be along the lines of what you’re saying too, but just framed against the Rangers’ situation).
by Brett Perryman on Feb 9, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
who is the best player otherwise?
david eckstein?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
hitler rule on the internet
I think applies to steroids in baseball. The closer a player gets to the HoF the probability of steroids nears 1. To me, I just haven’t been able to care that they were all juicing. Seemed fairly obvious to me in 98 and I didn’t really care then either.
Pujols
potentially a bigger “fraud” since his age has been questioned many times in the past.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Give me
Ster-Rod
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 9, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
first ballot HOFer.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
Then
Pete Rose should get in…
"Being successful in life isn't about how smart you are or how hard you try, its how big of an ego you have." - Miles
pete rose did somethign specifically not allowed
and had precedence for getting you kicked out of baseball. no dice. this isn’t nam
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Ty Cobb fixed games he was betting on as a manager.
He’s in the hall. Pete Rose probably never went as far as to fix games, yet Selig keeps him out. Total double standard hinging on the opinion of one guy. Whether you think it’s right or wrong, it shouldn’t be Selig’s call. If the BBWA thinks McGuire should stay out, he’ll stay out. That is many opinions. Why should Selig get to keep one guy out for something which had a precedence of not mattering when it came time for Cooperstown?
probably never went as far as to fix games?
he was betting on games he was managing.
and your telling me he bet on the reds to go UNDEFEATED?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
The Cobb betting accusation...
was never proven as far as I know. He and someone else was accused by one or two people as I remember it but it was dismissed later.
It was pretty well proven that Rose bet on baseball when they banned him and obviously it was correct since Rose admitted it. It’s not the same thing at all.
favorite ty cobb story...
all heresay, but funny] there was a guy heckling him so ty asked one of the cops at the stadium to bring the guy under the stadium to have it out with him. cop comes down with a guy with no arms. cobb proceeds yelling at the man. when the man yells back cobb started beating the dude. the cop finally pulls cobb off the guy and says its “its not right, he doesn’t have any arms. he can’t defend himself!”
cobb replies “well then he shoulda armed himself!”
its cheap, but funny.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Rose...
still belongs in the HOF imo.
But I guess that is a seperate topic for a different day.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Apples and Oranges
One accepted a ban from baseball, one didn’t.
I think Pete Rose should be in, too, but it’s a separate argument.
A-hole
First of all, he was with 50 something year old madonna…
Gross…
"Being successful in life isn't about how smart you are or how hard you try, its how big of an ego you have." - Miles
What's gross
… is that Dennis Rodman was in the line ahead of him.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
Was that before or after Sean Penn?
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
by oc on Feb 9, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
My baseball pants are creamy
This is gold. He would still be a good player w/ or w/out the roids. But now, this is great. Damn the Yanks and A-Rod and Tex! This is a great day for all ranger fans. All that AND next.
Atleast it
puts the Rangers in the national media.
"Being successful in life isn't about how smart you are or how hard you try, its how big of an ego you have." - Miles
+1 for the
Lexi reference.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Let's say
the Yankees could now contractually void his contract due to the admission. Would they?
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
They can't
and ofcourse they wouldn’t
"Being successful in life isn't about how smart you are or how hard you try, its how big of an ego you have." - Miles
No.
In Leitch’s words:
This is his opportunity. What’s the best way to strike back against all the criticism? Hit 50 home runs, pass every steroid test, and lead the Yankees to a World Series title. As low as A-Rod has been over the last 48 hours, if those three things happen, fans will forgive him, and they will love him.
Can’t really think why that won’t work, nor why he couldn’t put those numbers up.
In a related note, is it naive to think steroid testing is effective?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 9, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
yes
Especially after that Will Carroll piece came out a few days ago.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
That comes right to mind, yeah.
But this is a little different than say, the SEC.
The owners have a huge money advantage on steroids manufacturers. Huge.
These are the rich white dudes that run industries.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 9, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm...
Yankee fans will forgive him. All others will continue to hate.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Feb 9, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yankee fans already hate him
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
He doesn't need to apologize to me for steroids
I care more that he was such an ass while here and demanded a trade instead of sticking with the team through down years. Why didn’t you just sign with the Yankees in the first place? Ass. Take steroids all you want, I don’t care.
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Angry t ball.
I want more!
:)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
his steroid use made him an ass here.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
He was an ass
regardless of steroid usage. I think most fans don’t think nearly enough of his playing abilities, but he is an idiot.
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The animal I associate ARod with
is a peacock rather than an ass. There was a certain comical transparency to his doucheness that made me give him a little leeway while monitoring his preening amidst all that glorious on-field performance.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Feb 9, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Like how he would have nothing to do with the kangaroo court b/c it required the players to sometimes embarass themselves a little
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
straight cash
homie
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Teixeira, MY also griped about having to endure Ranger moribundity
but Hicks is the one who gave in and traded ARod away instead of telling him to shut up and fulfill his contract.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
Traded ARod away AND...
…agreed to pay $67 million of his remaining salary.
"There's a bailout coming but it's not for you." -- Neil Young
is that how much hicks ENDED UP paying or how much he was SUPPOSED to pay
just curious
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I'll always believe they had a handshake deal to opt out
And the Yankees knew about it.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
To save Hicks some money in that whole deal.
ARod in NY, opts out, signs another big contract, Hicks saves money, it’s all good.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
ahh AROD and hicks
thanks
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
We probably had the choice between Hicks’ saving money or better prospect(s).
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
It’s all the same whether baseball players take steroids?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 9, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
I don’t personally care. I applaud their competitiveness and drive. I also abhor how MLB and the Players Association have handled this entire issue over the last couple of decades. To me, the players are at least as low as 3rd on the list of those groups deserving blame. And it is most certainly ridiculous to blame ANY ONE PLAYER for any of this. Stupid.
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Blame is for those who like grudges
Baseball is better when numbers can be compared among players.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 9, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
I’m pretty surprised to hear you say this. I don’t think steroid use in professional sports is anywhere near the biggest issue of the day, but I’m curious as to why it doesn’t bother you.
I certainly don’t think the blame lies with one player or even solely with the players as a whole, but I do think it’s a problem and that there’s a very real slippery slope here to having younger people take steroids out of a desire to get ahead or even to keep up with their competition.
Hell, I’ve taken steroids with a medical prescription and many of the side-effects I experienced were severe enough that I wouldn’t wish that sort of thing on anyone.
For me
it’s that we have zero idea who is and isn’t using. So, I just don’t care and I assume they’re all cheating. I’m not going to stop watching because the biggest stars are “cheating.” JMO.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Sure, it's a problem
that MLB and the Players Association have avoided settling at every opportunity. I am not blaming any players for what they did while MLB and the PA were diddle-shitting around stalling, obfuscating, or just sticking their heads in the sand about it. I think this makes Selig and Fehr look worse than Rodriguez or any other player.
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Fair point.
The owners were definitely complicit in all this, eager to make more money from bigger baseball numbers. I certainly have no argument with that point.
I feel like I should have a counter-argument here, but considering neither the owners nor the players seemed willing to resolve this, I’m not sure how you’d solve it outside of government (or other third-party) intervention…
Government intervention?
Good lord, please no.
Those grandstanding windbags have enough on their plate.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
Yeah, it was more that they're the most obvious third party.
While I think the government has some legitimate claim to regulating professional sports, Congress hasn’t really proven that it has the ability to pull such a thing off effectively.
"I think this makes Selig and Fehr look worse than Rodriguez or any other player."
This.
(And everything else you’ve said in this sub-thread.)
So, if I may...
you two feel that if ownership were really adamant about solving this, that no amount of players union childishness would’ve stood in the way?
I’m really curious here; I’ve heard a lot of sports journalism “the MLBPA is way too powerful” type stuff over the years, and while I don’t really believe it all, I’m curious of your opinions.
I hate the union, too.
I’m not going to pick on an individual player, though.
I’m shocked you don’t see the MLBPA as too powerful. I think it’s the worst part of baseball. And a large part of why the NFL is so awesome is that the players have no power.
Allow me to rephrase...
They aren’t so powerful that, if ownership set its mind to it, they could wholly resist the a push for more testing. Or…do you think they are, even given the public opinion hit the players would take? Maybe I overestimate how much the average person cares about this sort of thing.
I definitely agree with your perspectives about the MLB and NFL unions.
Oh, I'm not sure.
I think it would be pretty hard for the owners, but I’m not sure if it would be impossible.
It surely would have been difficult
but the owners would have been able to point at the MLBPA and say “look, they don’t want drug testing” and the media and public would have totally been on the owners’ side in that push. They chose to look the other way.
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Again, I don't get the rush to take umbrage, t.
Especially considering how this gaffe will weaken the morale of the players’ union.
The owners aren’t in a worse position to rewrite drug testing now. The past is over. Collective bargaining is around the corner.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 9, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm talking about the last 30 years
and some of the older writers who are saying Rodriguez should never be allowed in the HOF, or even the Yankees should release him. Why aren’t these same writers beating up on the owners and MLBPA?
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Here's what I wonder, though...
I’ve heard a lot of local media, and even some of my sports friends say that they don’t care about steroid use in baseball or pro sports, because they only care about the final product. I recall Corby saying on the Hardline that the whole thing gave him tiredhead (this followed immediately by me turning off my radio).
I know the shelf life on even the most important news stories isn’t really that long, so I question whether or not the public outcry against this would’ve mattered enough in the long run for ownership to get something done. It makes me a little sick to think that Americans are so wrapped up in their own worlds that they can’t focus on something like this, but I suppose it’s the world we live in.
Donald Fehr
represents the Union. I think he blames both sides.
I think the Union and the owners realized that steroids were in their interests. I’m not even sure letting the rubes (public) in on the deal has actually hurt the business of baseball.
Get off my lawn.
exactly
The MLB and the PA both made it a competitive obstacle for a player to not indulge in the side stuff so if you wanted to be the best of the best you did what it took. If you were a fringe ML player who could get an 8 figure deal by popping a few pills – that were not banned by your professional organization and were legal in at least several situations in your country of origin – you’d be a fool not to go that route. I think blaming the players (any of the players or the group as a whole) is like blaming individual houses for the real estate bubble. Sure they were there and got over inflated but it was the rules and people hiding the problem that made the whole thing and caused the fall.
Yes
I feel like any player not doing steroids was at an unfair competitive advantage, potentially costing themselves a roster spot, or if they were already a major leaguer, millions of dollars. The players were left with a very difficult choice and I don’t blame them for choosing to inject money into their ass.
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by t ball on Feb 9, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One of his excuses:
Regarded the Texas heat and how it helped him go out there everyday through the summer. Maybe this helps explain why seemingly every good Ranger did roids.
Additionally,
If I had a choice b/w (a) A-rod doing roids and putting up the amazing numbers that he did and (b) Not doing roids and hitting 10-15 hrs less per year that he was hear, I would choose (a).
I also wish Rusty Greer used so that he could have stayed on the field a couple more years (assuming he didn’t :) ).
the flip side
is that maybe he DID use them and thats why he was so “brittle”
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Here's what I don't get
He did roids while he was here, but stopped when he went to New York. However, there hasn’t been any appreciable drop in his production. So, what’s the point of taking roids? Something doesn’t seem to add up.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
I don't see how anyone could possibly take him at his word that he didn't do them in NY
One of the reasons, by his own words, was the “pressure” of playing in Texas.
We all know, also by his own words, that he felt much pressure in the pinstripes/playing next to jump-throw.
If I knew how to do the whole draw a line through some words thingy, I would have cuted this post up, but T Ball, who was supposed to teach me, just mocked me instead.
And eff fanshots…
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
Pressure
I don’t think the pressure was from playing in Texas. It was most likely from just signing the richest contract in sports history.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Of course
I thought that was too obvious to be worth mentioning…
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
If I remember correctly here...
Didn’t Canseco say that steroids never really helped him pack on muscle, but allowed him to recover from day-to-day injuries faster and feel fresher longer into the season? Assuming that he hasn’t lied here, maybe switching over to 3B was all the assistance he needed to steer clear of these problems.
this is why ppl say that RP use them a lot
and why a guy like juan rincon got bused a couple of years before
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
stats
5 yr average before PEDs 38 doubles 33 HR .576 slg in Seattle
3 yr average while PEDS 30 doubles 52 HR .615 slg in Texas
5 yr average after PEDs 29 doubles 42 HR .573 slg in New York
Are his 3 years in Texas due to PEDs or the ballpark?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
ball park
and him being in his peak years. He was ages 25-27 then.
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So, in the Ranger's case
Park Effects should be Poke Effects?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
He took steroids here and was able to put that production up while playing a high level of shorstop.
Since he’s gone to New York, I believe he’s lost any ability to play shortstop and has just bulked up normally.
Could be different steroid use, but there’s plenty of reason for me to think he might be right, too.
he could still be a better SS than jeter
today.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Likely.
I think, without steroids, his offense would have to take a hit to get to that level, though. And I’ll bet he’d still be below average.
its not like he would (defensively) be any worse than jeter
because quite honestly thats pretty hard to be that bad on defense…
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I mentioned this is the past thread which is since off the page.
I vividly remember an article in Sports Illustrated that talked about the Rangers clubhouse. It was about steroids, and mentioned a player in knocking over, if I remember correctly, a golfbag full of needles and some came pouring out.. And everyone just laughed.
It was while A-Rod was here, and I began thinking at that moment "I wonder if A-Rod shoots?"
It was the first time it began to occur to me that we were a hot bed for steroid use.
yeah, I think that was the caminiti article, circa 2000 or so
Talked about he grew 3-4 hat sizes in his mid-thirties.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
...at the time, I wasn’t being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?
off the page
you can adjust how many posts appear on your front page.
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It's clear not many people do, though.
Discussion tends to die when something goes off a normal sized page. And that’s the only thing I care about after I’ve already read something.
Also: When steroid shit first started hitting the fan a few years ago, one of the first quotes I remember was Curt Schilling.
“This just makes me realize how much of a freak A-Rod is.”
(possibly paraphrased)
Of all the talk of steroid and the Rangers clubhouse in '01-'03
there has been plenty of steroid use in the Yankees clubhouse from ’03 on. I doubt seriously if it stopped once he was traded to the Yankees.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
The question now, is
Does Michael Young’s name appear on this “list”
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Why is that now the question?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
my guess
is the one big jump in his production makes everyone wonder
right large steve?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I'm certaintly curious to know.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
It is for me
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Every MLB player
either does or doesn’t do steroids…
“We can talk…or not talk…all day long”
Seriously, though, there have been whistle blowers who vehemently called for testing. Arod was a member of the 10% who tested positive there in 2003.
I don't think gross generalizations
help the discussion.
just curious ...
Was Tony Dumas ever your roommate?
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
So playing in Texas was more stressful than playing in New York?
I’m not really buying his “stress with a new contract” argument.
Either (a) he had to stop because he couldn’t pass steroid tests in 2004 or (b) he’s moved on to undetectable alternatives.
If stress at work...
Is a reasonable excuse for doing steroids, do this excuse me from doing several lines of blow off my secretary’s ass? Seems adequate…
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Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
uh
your secretary allowing you to do that?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I have good benefits...
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i predict
b)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I don't get it man. Steroids shrink your junk.
You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you Saxy boy?
No one?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Feb 9, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Creepy
Yet hilarious.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
by LSJ on Feb 9, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
I threw that up for AJM.
He is the one who brought that guy up the other day :)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Evan Grant, MLB Columnist
Talking about the Arod situation on espn news now
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
You can blame the players...
…but you have to blame each one individually. The “everyone is doing it” doesn’t fly here or with anything else. The “nobody said not to” doesn’t either. The “it’s OK because its not illegal” doesn’t either. Neither does the ever apparent judgment that the owners and the Union were complicit either. Each one made the choice. Each one decided to use something that they knew was not specifically banned, but were aware that it was not quite right to take or they would have had no problem saying “I am taking a substance that is helping me play better baseball and will continue until it is banned by MLB.” Some players chose not to be involved and should be applauded. Some are sticklers for the rules and some are not, but if everone doesn’t consistantly play by the same rules, then it detracts from the enjoyment and the symmetry of the game. Could the owners and the Union have stopped this in the beginning? Maybe…but the players could have stopped it at any time just by refusing to participate. Will there always be cheaters? Sure…being a great athelete doesn’t neccessarily make you honest. That is where we are today, trying to level out the playing field. Even still there are substances out there that cannot be detected, but it still comes back to the individual player to make the choice.
"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move." Satchel Paige
Wrong
When you are strictly judged by being compared to the rest of your field and they are using steroids, you’re backed into a corner. The personal decision is: “Do I want to give myself a chance to be the best at the potential expense of my body?”
Two opposing opinions...
…and you may be so bold as to say that I am wrong, but we do differ in our opinions.
When you are strictly judged by being compared to the rest of your field and they are using steroids,
We actually do not know who was and who was not using, but the odds are that not everyone was. The player still has to choose to go outside the line, and in my opinion choosing to use because others are doing it and making more money, just doesn’t justify their use. In all fairness to you, if you can come up with a valid reason other than “everyone else was doing it”, I will listen (my quotes).
"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move." Satchel Paige
your post
was so long I assumed I would see bigSteve was the author..
"If you have a problem with me, you're probably a doucher."
by red shoe ranger on Feb 9, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hey now I take offense to that
I think
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The Ticket is playing the whole ESPN interview now.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
haha
Arod giong off on this biatch. I like it.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
Oh oh
We have a God mention. Surprised it took this long to get there.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
More me.
I got kicked out of class earlier today when my philolsophy professor said, “irregardless” and I told her that it was not a word. Bullshit.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
Hey now.
“I’m a good receiver”
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
You beat me to it.
I should have known someone would already have picked up on this.
Ephesians 1:3-10
Anyone listening to Tom Hicks talk about this on the MLBN?
Do you think there’s a chance he really didn’t realize there was so much juicing under his nose or is he just a ridiculous liar?
FWIW, I did.
I knew less about his personality then than I do now, but even before he was a Ranger, he was my favorite player. When he came to Texas he was a god to me.
I even modeled how I played shortstop (and then second base) off of him, where he began several steps deep and slowly began his momentum forward on the pitch.
Tom Grieve on A-Rod:
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
You know
I just can’t bring myself to care about this. It doesn’t change my opinion of A-Rod (always thought he was an ass one way or the other) and it doesn’t change my opinion of the sport or anything. Unfortunately, all this really does is perpetuate the only thing the Rangers are really “famous” for: having a bunch of ’roid kings in their past clubhouses.
Yeah. Spies. They're little guys with beady eyes and long fingernails. They plant bugs that can pick up the hush of a man's heartbeat - or the whisper of a falling hair.
Well then,
:)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Selena Roberts
Coming off very well.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Do not
google image search that name…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Now I have too
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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