BP's Rangers Top 11
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 10, 2009 11:11 AM CDT
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http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8602
Five-Star Prospects
1. Neftali Feliz, RHP
2. Justin Smoak, 1B
3. Derek Holland, LHP
Four-Star Prospects
4. Michael Main, RHP
5. Engel Beltre, CF
6. Elvis Andrus, SS
Three-Star Prospects
7. Martin Perez, LHP
8. Max Ramirez, C
9. Taylor Teagarden, C
10. Neil Ramirez, RHP
11. Wilfredo Boscan, RHP
Just Missed: Julio Borbon, OF; Blake Beaven, RHP; Jose Vallejo, 2B
Ranking Challenges: The top of the list was fairly straightforward, but ordering the last five spots proved to be a significant challenge; the deeper I went with the analysis, the more flipping, adding, and removing I did. This is a tremendously deep system filled with legitimate prospects, many of whom are not even included here, though they would easily rank in the middle of other team's lists.
The Sleeper: Hampered by injuries last year, Venezuelan teenager Wilmer Font is a massive power righty with plus-plus velocity and the ability to throw consistent strikes. Some in the Rangers front office believe that he's already a Top 10 prospect in the system.
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I predict Martin Perez will be above a 3 star by this time next year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 10, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I predict Martin Perez is a 3 star right now
by Jamey Newberg on Mar 10, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your point is that
…both are virtually unassailable facts, I’m with you.
But if your point is that I’m looking through Rangers-colored glasses, fair enough. But if I had to trade Perez (KG’s #7) or Beltre (KG’s #5), I wouldn’t even have to think about it. Perez, for me, is in a higher tier than Beltre.
by Jamey Newberg on Mar 10, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I didn't really have a point
but thanks for making me appear somewhat more intelligent
by Telegraph on Mar 10, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
My first thought upon reading the list was swap Perez and Beltre. I just have a little more confidence in MP than EB. In the back of my mind I have a nagging feeling that Beltre’s peak is going to be a less-than-star quality COF.
We couldn't have known it at the time but we definitely killed the wrong Belushi brother.
by Chad Crudup on Mar 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
We have pitchers out of the wazoo
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Mar 10, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that I follow
after reading the above statement and your below statements, are you saying you think Perez is actually a 4 star, and Beltre is probably actually a 3 star, at least in terms of tiers?
by clark on Mar 10, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilmer Font
Love to see that player make some progress…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 10, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if this is our Wilmer Font:
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Mar 10, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to borrow some taco meat
from the yetti behind him.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Mar 10, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This report irratates me
My milb draft is going on and I planned to wait until later rounds to take Font because not many non-Ranger fans would draft a pitcher with less than 50 IP and an ERA north of 5.
by groundingout on Mar 10, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean
A flip of the coin by someone like Goldstein on whom to list as a sleeper changes a guy like Font’s value dramatically.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 10, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goldstein's theme throughout his analysis...
The system is loaded with talented arms
The system is loaded with talented arms
The system is loaded with talented arms
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Mar 10, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I could read that all day long
And never get tired of hearing it.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
by boomer1 on Mar 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about
our pitching sucks
our pitching sucks
our pitching sucks
by Telegraph on Mar 10, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You suck...
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
by boomer1 on Mar 10, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So...
We recorded the podcast last night (it should be up today), but looking at this brings to mind something I asked Jamey and Scott about during the show…
Neil Ramirez = Clay Buchholz?
I mean, obviously, not right this second…but they were drafted in almost the same spot in their respective drafts, RHPs with similar builds and similar repertoires, both the type of guys who have high ceilings and high bust potential…
It seems like Ramirez is the guy who could be our Buchholz in a few years…
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 10, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep,
I’ve thought that for a while.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Mar 10, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this with one of those "if everything breaks right" caveats?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Mar 10, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
The walks?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 10, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but without the 'tude.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Mar 10, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the laptop theft
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Mar 10, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eH?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I remember hearing that the reason...
Buchholz fell as low as he did in his draft was because of him stealing some laptops from his school. Correct me if I’m wrong WestTxAg
by TRanger on Mar 10, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tis true
but it was in college
In Buchholz, they saw a talent so sublime — a newly converted pitcher with a well-above average fastball, curve and slider — that they were willing to investigate his role in a laptop theft during his freshman year of college.
by bushe on Mar 10, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He broke into a local school and stole a bunch of laptops.
In 2004, during his only year at Division 1 McNeese State in Lake Charles, La., he and a classmate were arrested for stealing 29 laptop computers from Lumberton (Texas) Intermediate School.
Douche.
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by thedirkatron on Mar 10, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's the story
I really don’t know much more about it than what dirkatron posted, and that Buchholz said after the fact that he was hanging out with the wrong crowd and that incident woke him up to the fact.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Mar 10, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could happen
I don’t think that Ramirez has the natural feel for pitching that Buchholz does, but he was a HS draft, rather than JC.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 10, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent assessment.
As mentioned below, I knew Ramirez was good, but I kind’ve expected LSB would like him more than a Goldstein.
Maybe not. . .
by philkid3 on Mar 10, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
What does Beltre have to do this year to keep his ranking? More power and plate discipline?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Mar 10, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some semblance of plate discipline alone would do it.
Assuming he’s productive.
by LiamP on Mar 10, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Discipline would absolutely do it.
But I’m not sure it’s necessary. If Goldstein thinks his plate coverage is good enough to overcome poor discipline as indicated, merely improving total production would probably be enough.
by philkid3 on Mar 10, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Goldstein doesn't seem to be as down on his contact rate as one might think
It seems, at least to me, that Goldstein knocks him more for his youth and distance from the majors (i.e. the flameout risk). Merely moving up to the Cal League and hitting at a solid clip would do wonders to reduce the downside (flameout risk) while confirming the “monster power/speed” upside.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Mar 10, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Main...
I know they’ve been high on him for a while, but I’m impressed that he is getting 4 star respect…
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by RangerFloppy on Mar 10, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
Beavan is being underrated because of Main. Which is probably just as well, I’m expecting a pleasant surprise.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Mar 10, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
If he had a 95mph FB he would be in the top 10. I think he pitches for the Rangers before Main.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Mar 10, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he pitches for the Rangers before Main.
judging from what we’ve read and what we know of their current status, this qualifies as a hot sports opinion.
by clark on Mar 10, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
I think Beavan will be a 4-5 year guy, while Main shoots through the system.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Mar 10, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
I think you are agreeing with me. I was saying that RM’s comment was pretty much in the complete minority, because of what you said.
by clark on Mar 10, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha, yeah
oops
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Mar 10, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan has
proven he can take the ball every 5 days for a full season. All he is missing is the 95mph FB. I expect him to reach AA this year. I assume by “4-5 year guy” that you mean it will take him 4-5 years to reach the MLs. Why?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Mar 10, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was confused by that too
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by hinduplaya on Mar 10, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan
Well I doubt he makes it to Frisco until August at the earliest unless he absolutely dominates. By the time he gets to Frisco then there becomes almost a logjam between Frisco and Arlington and so it very well could take 4-5 years before he reaches the majors. He may get a spot start here or there before then but as far as making the permanent leap it may take that long. A full year in Frisco and a full year in OKC makes 4 years.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 10, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All he is missing is a 95 mph FB
That’s a pretty significant thing to miss.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Mar 10, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the lack of 95MPH fastball
holding back progress OR prospect status? Or the proverbial, ‘a little bit of both’?
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Mar 10, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only three 5-star prospects? heh. Wait till next year.
I keep being surprised by MaxRam’s ranking in prospect lists this offseason.
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
by rooster on Mar 10, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am thinking the same thing
He’s a machine of hitting baseballs. It doesn’t matter where he plays he hits everything that comes near him. If I had to pick one guy who I thought would out OBP everyone else, in our system, it would be Max in a landslide.
by bushe on Mar 10, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
rating him below Beltre seems almost laughable to me.
by bushe on Mar 10, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 10, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be a tie broken on upside?
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Mar 10, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
but what is beltre’s upside? everyone likens him to Barry Bonds and Jr and what not but Barry knew the strike zone like an old glove from the word go. I guess Reyes learned how to take a walk but it is still not at all common for an extreme hacker to pick that up. This isn’t like Borbon where he doesn’t walk but doesn’t K because he can hit anything. Beltre is a K machine and hacks at everything. I see Ramirez’s upside as a 900 OPS catcher who is average at defense, with Beltre looking like a 290/320/450 upside with (rumored) excellent defense.
Not to mention the fact that Ramirez is much closer to the majors and much more proven. I guess I am just Beltre’s biggest naysayer.
by bushe on Mar 10, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltran's upside is Griffey/Bonds for sure
It seems like KG has MaxRam’s upside a little lower than you do (he sees the perfect world projection as still below-average catching defense).
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Mar 11, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the really nice thing about max
is that everytime I hear something about him it also includes the information that he’s not nearly as bad behind the plate as he used to be. If that trend continues he’s gold as a backup catcher full time DH. Then they can figure out what to do with Davis and Smoak when the time comes.
by Hull Fan on Mar 10, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.354/.450/.646
That’s his line from almost 250 ABs in AA last year.
The kid OPS’d 1096. I don’t understand his ranking either.
He has a career minor league OPS of 935.
Max hit ball hard.
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by BAC on Mar 10, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is from the minorleagueball thread on the same subject
"Most of the questions raised about Ramirez concern his defense. He’s slow behind the plate, has trouble blocking pitches, and his arm is below average. Some scouts see him as a pure mistake hitter who can struggle against big-league stuff."
Don’t know where the guy got it but it could explain the ranking. Also I wonder how accurate it is seeing as how Max did struggle against both AAA and ML pitching (albeit small sample sizes)
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 10, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max > Laporta
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Mar 10, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seeing is beleiving
I’m pretty sure that guy has never seen max hit. If anything that strikes me as apt for Davis, Max on the other hand got behind everything he swung at and hit the ball where it was pitched every time I saw him in Frisco. I think he was a bit out of sync in the majors but I fully expect excellence from him.
by bushe on Mar 10, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference between Max and Davis is...
Davis actually hit well in the majors.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 10, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis had more of a consistent opportunity
by hiafex on Mar 10, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Haven’t reviewed the stats, but I believe that Davis was really struggling along about August and then finished really strong.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 10, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
Max maintained a 715 OPS for 46 ABs, lets forget about the 1500 MiLB ABs with a 928 OPS
by bushe on Mar 10, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
Im not saying I think Max is a bust but the numbers don’t lie. He has mashed in the minors up through AA. AAA and the Majors he has struggled and yes there is serious small sample size issues but he has struggled nonetheless. The guy made a statement or quoted someone who says Max is a mistake pitch hitter who can struggle against big league stuff. As long as Max continues to struggle in the upper levels that statement will get more and more credible.
And for your info Nelson Cruz mashed in the minors and until last September struggled against ML pitching. I hope he has turned the corner but the pessimistic side in me wants to see it first.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 11, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see
just for kicks what is your prediction for Max’s AAA ops this year? What about MLB ops?
I would put the over/under on AAA at 950 right now. MLB at about 840.
by bushe on Mar 11, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max
AAA OPS: 925
ML OPS: 800
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 11, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
an 800 OPS in the majors this year from Max would be unacceptable?
That would put him 4th in the AL for catchers and 6th for DHs. That is not a bad spot for a rookie.
by bushe on Mar 11, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it wouldn't be unacceptable
I don’t think I ever said it would.
But there are some on here who think he is a 900+ OPS guy from the get go. He obviously has that potential but he could just as easily continue to struggle and be a 750 OPS guy.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 11, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
you can be pessimistic about Cruz given his 30 games of great hitting in the MLB this season and hold Max’s 27 poor games of AAA/MLB against him.
by groundingout on Mar 11, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Im pessimistic of both of them
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 11, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats my point
your pessimistic on Cruz despite his strong 30 games and pessimistic on Max because of his poor 27 games.
FB trumps all!!!!!!
by groundingout on Mar 11, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two different cases
Cruz has a history of being really good in the minors and struggling in the majors so a 30 game stretch in September isn’t going to all of a sudden make me forget his past.
And because I’ve seen Cruz do that before when I see a guy like Max be really really good in the minors and then struggle once he comes to the majors it makes me pause and not proclaim the guy could come in and be a 900+ OPS DH his rookie season like some people believe.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me get this straight
because Cruz has mashed in the minor leagues and then struggled in the bigs, that means that every minor league masher is going to struggle in the bigs?
Doctor please. Some more of these.
by tricer on Mar 12, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
But it gives me reason to temper my projections for him especially early in his career. Look above. I said i would expect him to put up a 800 OPS in the majors this year. Hardly a knock on the guy. But some people seem to expect him to come up and mash a 900+ OPS which I just can’t bring myself to see it. He looks very likely to one day be that monster slugger but he clearly struggled last year and it may take awhile.
Going back to the beginning of this conversation I merely quoted someone from another site who gave either a quote or his opinion that said Max is a mistake pitch hitter which is why he has thrived at the lower levels and why some suggest he will struggle at the upper levels. It wasn’t me that said that but it very well may be true. And like I said, the more he does struggle in the upper levels the more that statement will gain merit.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Max had 46 AB’s
What would you think of minor league masher x if he had a line of .245/.323/.441 through his first 188 AB’s? Would you think he was a bust?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Mar 12, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what you expected out of him
If, like some people on here, you expect him to come up and have a 900+ OPS and be this Victor Marinez-esque hitting catcher then yeah i would be disappointed. Not call the guy a bust because that takes a little more than 188 ABs to declare.
I think the Max lovers on here are getting way too caught up in what i said. I like the guy but I don’t share your feeling that he is a 900+ OPS guy right now in the majors. And yes after seeing and hearing about Nelson Cruz the last couple years I have reason to be pessimistic.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is Evan Longoria's line though 188 AB's.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Mar 12, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
For one thing a 245/ 343/ 441 line and a 217/ 345/ 370 line are not very similar.
Second, based on Longorias minor league numbers he is probably about a .280/ 380/ 500 guy during his career and his early line isn’t too far off that. A 40-50 point below spread is fairly common for rookie especially his age.
Max is being projected as a 300/400/500 type player so for him to be almost 100 points below on BA and 125+ points below on slugging is a disappointment.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're saying people
are projecting Max to be a better hitter than Longoria?
Who is saying that?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 12, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive seen alot of people on here say Max will be a 300/400/500 guy
And his minor league numbers justify those predictions. Which is why when he comes out and puts up a 215/345/370 type line it makes me tap the brakes a little bit.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i suppose
you would have been really ‘pessimistic’ about Mike Piazza then…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Mar 12, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I would have
And then after he came out in 93 and had that season my fears would have been gone.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not 'max lovers'
more like the common sense ones…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Mar 12, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
People are getting all pissed at me because I said I expect Max to have an 800 OPS in the majors this year and 925 in the minors. I don’t really think thats a knock on the guy. As was pointed out that would make him one of the best offensive catchers and DHs. I think the guy is good, really good. But not to the level some people believe.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Murphy
Mashed a couple of years ago and wasn’t bad last year. Do you expect him to be able to match Max?
by bushe on Mar 12, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the long run...no
This year….quite possible
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats in the majors of course
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Max had a 46 ABs, small sample size indeed and he was in and out of the lineup…no consistency in his PT at all…
yet, with all that, still put up an OBP of 345…which apparently is ‘struggling’?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Mar 11, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Tashard Choice a Pro Bowl calibur player?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Mar 11, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is pluto a planet?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Mar 11, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Mar 12, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max
Look im not going to get into this argument again but a guy like Max Ramirez slugging and BA are more important than OBP. Thats where his value comes from. Yes .345 is nice especially from a rookie but compared to his minor league numbers its still way below what hes done. He’s routinely been a .420 OBP guy. His spread of .120 or so between BA and OBP is pretty consistent with his minor league numbers for the most part.
But his .217 average and .370 slugging is struggling. Especially when its a full 100 points below his career minor league BA and 150 points below his career minor league SLG.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 12, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a problem with being down on Max
but I don’t think it should have anything to do with his struggles in limited action in the bigs while getting inconsistent playing time.
FB trumps all!!!!!!
by groundingout on Mar 12, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Questions
I don’t really follow how each minor league website grades out, I just check to see how the Rangers are doing. Could someone explain what having 3 5-stars and 3 4-stars means in comparison to other teams? For instance, how many 5-star will there be overall (and how many will a normal team have) ?
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 10, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Oakland is generally considered our biggest competition
Five-Star Prospects
1. Michael Ynoa, RHP
2. Trevor Cahill, RHP
3. Brett Anderson, LHP
4. Chris Carter, 1B
Four-Star Prospects
5. Adrian Cardenas, SS
Three-Star Prospects
6. Aaron Cunningham, OF
7. Gio Gonzalez, LHP
8. Vin Mazzaro, RHP
9. Jemile Weeks, 2B
10. Sean Doolittle, 1B
11. Rashun Dixon, CF
Just Missed: Corey Brown, OF; Tyson Ross, RHP; James Simmons, RHP
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Mar 10, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ranking inoa a 5 star is foolish
that might be is upside, but 17 yrs old, at least 4-5 yrs away.
by Asfan4ever723 on Mar 10, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would give
Inoa the 5 star status before Chris Carter.
by clark on Mar 10, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carter is in not a 5 star prospect.
Florida is also close.
by LiamP on Mar 10, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn iPhone
That in shouldn’t be there.
by LiamP on Mar 10, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carter not a 5 star
Also Florida>Oakland IMO
by groundingout on Mar 10, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow he had carter as a 5 star?
wowww
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
strikes me as just a bit ridiculous. Particularly since Max is apparently a 3…
by bushe on Mar 10, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's a bit strange
Carter and Inoa are both 5 star prospects but Max and Perez are only 3 star.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Mar 10, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carter is an interesting prospect, but a 5 star he is not
Plain and simple…if the Aki trade with the White Sox isn’t pulled off the table b.c. of Otsuka’s health, then Chris Carter is in the Rangers’ system right now. Assuming everything else goes down the same since then, Chris Carter is not a 5 star prospect…IN THIS SYSTEM.
I know writers and scouts try their damnedest to be objective with prospect rankings, but it is impossible. You look at the Rangers’ system and Carter’s profile, though impressive in many aspects, doesn’t stand alone among Smoak, Max, Andrus, Beltre, Tea, Borbon, Vallejo, etc., etc.
You put Carter in the the Oakland’s system, which is VERY GOOD, but doesn’t have the offensive talent of Texas’ system, and his profile definitely stands out. He can be considered the best offensive prospect in one of the top 3 systems…and some people think that means he is a 5 star prospect…which he isn’t…at all.
Don't you ever damn call here again
by SaltyDawg on Mar 11, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our top 5 prospects:
Perfect World Projection: A pure ace.
Perfect World Projection: A third-slot hitter in the lineup of a championship-level team.
Perfect World Projection: He’ll be an All-Star starting pitcher.
Perfect World Projection: Main’s youth, ability, and athleticism give him star-level projection.
Perfect World Projection: He’ll play as a monster power/speed combination in center field.
If two of Feliz, Smoak, Holland, Main and Beltre reach that kind of promise, we are good to go.
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by Conjunction on Mar 10, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Hindman
has posted a Q & A with Goldstein:
http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/index.php/2009/03/10/q-a-on-the-rangers-top-11-prospects-with-kevin-goldstein-from-baseball-prospectus/#more-347
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by t ball on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
outstanding
I hadn’t really seen anybody voice something like this:
Feliz has a much better breaking ball. He has the more complete arsenal. Feliz’s slurve flashes plus at times. He’s got a ways to go. It’s a weird pitch because it’s neither a slider nor a curve and he telegraphs it too much, but it pretty effective and it’s better than Holland’s slider by a long way.
Doctor please. Some more of these.
by tricer on Mar 10, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the comment that really jumped out at me too
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Mar 10, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he echoed something zywica has said here,
that, given the brief time Feliz has been working on his secondary stuff, it’s coming along nicely.
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by t ball on Mar 10, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds pretty low
on Hollands offspeed stuff though.
by groundingout on Mar 10, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dom Chiti is "DC", right?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Mar 10, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Clark.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Mar 10, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh, well, i was off
obviously, i didn’t know that.
thanks.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Mar 10, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard time seeing us with only 6 guys at 4 star and above, but then again, I'm a little biased.
I’m genuinely surprised about M-Per though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I love you, Marcus Lemon.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Mar 10, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
Four stars for Goldstein’s system is pretty close to the line for his top 100. And he didn’t have us with as many top 100s as everyone else, so we shouldn’t be too surprised by the number of four star guys he has for us. I am surprised that Perez didn’t make either distinction, though, given some of the things he said about him in July and August.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 10, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, I'm not really surprised, just don't agree is all.
I thought we’d get 7, but 6 is pretty good.
If I’d had to predict KG’s ordering of our top 7, this is pretty much how I’d have guessed he would’ve had them, with the possible exception of Beltre who I actually thought might be our #4 guy given all his crazy tools.
He tends to rate tools and ceiling a little bit more than most, and he’s always struck me as someone who doesn’t buy into the whole “Young for his league” argument, so I thought he’d have Beltre above guys like Tea and Max and Borbon and maybe be a bit more down on Perez than most seeing as how much of Perez’s value is tied up in his Young for his leagueyness.
And a 3 star rating from KG is nowhere near a condemnation. It’s actually a pretty good grade, and I’m guessing we have several more 3 star guys after the list ends.
Also I must say I’m pumped about Smoak and Der-Hol being 5 star guys. I thought maybe they’d be on the fence given Smoak’s inexperience and Der-Hol’s come out of nowhereyness, so it’s good to see he’s high on them.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I love you, Marcus Lemon.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Mar 10, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure we have a ton of three star guys after that.
I can’t be bothered to look it up, but I think he said a dozne who didn’t make the top 11 last year, and I imagine that didn’t go down.
by philkid3 on Mar 10, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year he said (and I'm quoting) we had "another 6 to 8 players beyond the top 11 that one could argue deserve 3 stars".
The key there I think being “One could argue”.
My guess is this year that number stayed the same at worse and went up just a tick to 7-9 this year. (I don’t have a BP subscription this year so that’s just a guess… he may have addressed this issue in his comments.)
Off the top of my head I’d figure Borbon, Beavan, Vallejo, Font, Ross, Kiker, Poveda, Hunter, and Madrigal (if eligible) all might be in that range depending on who you talk to, along with maybe a darkhorse or two like Wieland or Kennil Gomez or Marcus Lemon or Pedro Strop or Tim Murphy, though those guys seem like pretty obvious 2-star guys to me. (And I could be forgetting someone obvious.)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I love you, Marcus Lemon.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Mar 10, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know PECOTA thinks Lemon is our best shortstop prospect.
Not that Goldstein has anything to do with PECOTA, but he might indeed have Lemon a three based on that.
by philkid3 on Mar 10, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cut and pasting my thoughts from elsewhere. . .
Smoak is a poor athlete and a below-average runner who can often clog the basepaths.
Et tu, Goldstein?
Holland’s velocity only got better during the year, as he began the year in the low 90s but was sitting at 94-96 mph while touching 99 by season’s end.
No matter how many times I hear that, it will always make my head spin.
I’ve always been really excited about Beltre’s upside, but a little pesimistic about his lack of discipline. But Goldstein makes me wonder if I’m underrating him, patience be damned. He put up a .330 EqA even with his awful ass K/BB rate. If he really does have the plate coverage to be a Vlad-esque hitter with Beltran-esque fielding and base running, he could walk 30 times a season for all I care.
Andrus was born in Venezuela. Considering he’s a shortstop with low power, high contact and great speed and defense, I probably should have assumed that. He fits the profile.
In a system with more pitching talent than any in the game
I wonder how many baseball fans, and even professional pundits, realize this. I still hear the mantra “the Rangers need young pitching” all the time when, at the moment, they might be overkill on young pitching. Major League ready pitching might be nice, but they couldn’t realistically be in better shape in terms of pitching for the future right now. That silly statement needs to go away.
I was right about the top three and was wrong about Perez, Teagarden, Ramirez and Borbon being four star. I know Goldstein doesn’t like Borbon, but I’m shocked he doesnt’ even make the top 11. The only other thing that really surprises me is Neil Ramirez. I knew he was good, never expected him to make anyone’s top 10.
by philkid3 on Mar 10, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to think that by now
every pro scout knows how strong Texas is with pitching prospects. Not knowing that means you are probably pretty poor at your job and certainly that you have no ambition to move up. Texas’ pitching is one of the two or three biggest stories in the minor leagues.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 10, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But fans
yeah, maybe 1% of fans have any idea?
by Brett Perryman on Mar 10, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even some of the ones who aren't generally clueless.
by philkid3 on Mar 10, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about that Boston fan
during the “FOTF requests a trade” business where he proclaimed the Rangers’ as having “the worst farm system in the league”?
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Mar 11, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoah, I don't remember that.
Either I missed it or blocked it from my memory.
by philkid3 on Mar 11, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was ridiculous, I remember reading about that on here
There was a Boston fan who commented on Goldstein’s article yesterday writing, “what an obnoxiously-good system. I’m still smarting from giving up a guy like Beltre in exchange for Eric Freaking Gagne.”
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
by WestTxAg06 on Mar 11, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To which I reply:
Suck it, you bean-eating Bitchez!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Mar 11, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I present to you...the genius of "Sawx Nation"
Catching is the least important positions on the field, in my opinion. Which explains why the Sox, with one of the best farm systems in baseball, have none. While the Rangers, with one of the poorest farm systems in baseball, have a wealth of catchers. I have been irritated all off-season by the Rangers thinking that their catchers are even REMOTELY worth a pitcher that projects to be an ace.
I am so pleased that Epstein told the Rangers to pound sand. I hope they enjoying playing >500 baseball with their three “star” pitchers. The Sox will be just fine with their “hole” at 8th or 9th in the lineup.
Posted by: fapelbon | January 30, 2009 at 09:37 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/salty-teagarden.html#comments
Don't you ever damn call here again
by SaltyDawg on Mar 11, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's stupid, but not on all counts
It is stupid to assume that any catcher will bring back a potential ace in a trade, though he is wrong as to the degree of difference (REMOTELY…).
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by t ball on Mar 11, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't make it that far
I stopped after the third sentence. It really didn’t matter if he had figured out fusion after that…I had him labeled a dumbass and my mind was made up.
Don't you ever damn call here again
by SaltyDawg on Mar 11, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me either.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Mar 11, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's stupid to assume a catcher can bring back an ace.
It depends on the catcher and what defines an ace. As well as what the team’s assets are.
by philkid3 on Mar 11, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I was a bit unclear. I was saying it’s stupid to assume just any catcher will, meaning, depending on the catcher’s value. If Saltalamacchia shows average or better defense while putting up an .850 OPS for April-June, his value changes significantly. Right now, though, none of the Rangers catchers is going to bring back some of the names typically tossed around, at least not without adding some other piece.
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by t ball on Mar 11, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, I understand now.
And if I’m honest, one of our catchers by himself is no way deserving of Buchholz, but I don’t think any of LSB thinks that.
Once upon a time I think Salty for Buchholz may have been fair, but I think we wouldn’t have wanted to let Salty go at that point.
by philkid3 on Mar 11, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's something about Northeast sports fans. It's this weird sense of superior entitlement or something.
I swear. At least on the internet, and it’s mostly the fans of teams from Philly to Boston.
That thread reminds me of the fans at MetsBlog angry that JD wouldn’t give up a catcher for what the Mets deemed adequate.
by philkid3 on Mar 11, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh jeez, someone calls Varitek the best catcher in Red Sox history.
Because of the no-hitters argument.
by philkid3 on Mar 11, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the least
he thinks the Rangers will be playing >500 baseball
FB trumps all!!!!!!
by groundingout on Mar 11, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
kind’a hard to figure out fusion without the superscripts…
by Goyogringo on Mar 15, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
I had already occasionally thought of Vlad and Pudge when being particularly hopeful about Beltre’s lack of patience. Goldstein just made me more apt to continue that line of thought. Some guys can succeed not walking more often than Paris Hilton says something smart, but I’d rather not have to hope for that.
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by t ball on Mar 10, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I know walking is great and all. But the whole OBP fetish actually has probably made low-walk, high-SLG/BA guys kind of undervalued. Not by much… but maybe a little.
by JBImaknee on Mar 10, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
High OBP is still much more valuable than a low OBP.
It has nothing to do with OBP, it’s about the concern about players with no discipline struggling when they advance, and there’s a reason for that. It’s not a death sentence, but it is cause for concern.
by philkid3 on Mar 10, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that, and the whole exposing lack of selection in the Bigs.
I have often thought of the Pudge comp, as t ball said above. If he can do that, with his superior speed/defense, I think he can be very valuable.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Mar 11, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found this rather interesting from
future redbirds..
* 10% of top 10 hitting prospects bust.
* 31% of top 10 pitching prospects bust.
* 21% of top 11-25 hitting prospects bust.
* 32% of top 11-25 pitching prospects bust.
* 35% of top 26-50 hitting prospects bust.
* 33% of top 26-50 pitching prospects bust.
* 45% of top 51-75 hitting prospects bust.
* 39% of top 51-75 pitching prospects bust.
* 43% of top 76-100 hitting prospects bust.
* 43% of top 76-100 pitching prospects bust.
* 52% of "B grade" pitching prospects bust.
* 83% of "C grade" hitting prospects bust.
* Around 75% of all "C grade" pitching prospects bust.
by laxtonto on Mar 13, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The dichotomoy
between the top 10 hitters and pitchers is very sad. Interesting, though, that after the top 10 the gap closes considerably.
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by t ball on Mar 13, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TINSTAPP
But in honesty I suppose that’s why having like 20 of your top 30 being pitching prospects is a good thing.
by philkid3 on Mar 13, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me what is TINSTAPP
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Mar 13, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Mar 13, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A gross oversimplification of a complex issue.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I love you, Marcus Lemon.
"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555, throwing one of his patented sandy-vagina'd hissy fits.
by thedirkatron on Mar 14, 2009 3:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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