Latin American signees, bonus skimming, and the draft
Kat O'Brien has a piece in New York Newsday today about the practice of buscons skimming money from the bonuses paid to Latin American signees, along with allegations that the type of kickbacks that the Nats are being investigated about are commonplace:
The Dominican Republic is not subject to MLB's amateur draft, and the only real rule is that players cannot sign until July 2 the year they turn 16. A buscon is an unofficial scout/agent who finds players before they are old enough to sign with major-league teams, then works out an agreement with the player's family to prepare him to sign in return for a portion of his signing bonus. He'll get the teenager tryouts, watch his development, and perhaps even buy him food and equipment.
In theory, it's just exchanging services for money. In reality, though, many buscones take a huge cut of the player's bonus, perhaps 50 percent or more. Often, the player doesn't even know just how much money he should be receiving.* * *
A longtime scout in the Dominican estimated that half the teams have similar problems. "There's a lot of shady doings - sign a player for $100,000 and $40,000 is going back to the scout who signed him," he said. "Stuff like that. All of that's been going on for years."
The scout described scenarios in which a buscon might tell a player to sign with one team in exchange for a kickback from that club. He might never tell the player that another club had offered more money.
Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano said most players fork over a huge portion of their bonus to their buscon. Cano lucked out in that he never used one. His father, who played briefly for the Astros, helped him get noticed.
Now, the buscons are simply the Latin American version of the American "street agent" who helps steer highly regarded high school basketball players to certain colleges, the guys that were so prominent on the high school basketball scene in the 90s, such as Rob Johnson. It isn't as if this is anything terribly unique to the Dominican Republic. And it isn't even new. It is just something that is now starting to get an awful lot more attention.
But MLB has enabled this sort of sleazy behavior by not being more involved in what goes on in Latin America with the amateur signings, and not taking a more active role in making sure things are done right. There was the rule implemented that you can't sign a player until the year he turns 16 that was put into place after some team -- I can't remember who -- signed a 14 year old, I think.
But that's been about it.
And while the focus has long been on Latin America, it isn't just about kids there any more...the Indians just signed a 16 year old from the Czech Republic. As scouting gets more global, you are going to see teenagers from all over being scooped up.
And as the money continues to increase, there are going to be more and more middle-men and unscrupulous types willing to take advantage of a poor kid and his family in order to make a few thousand, or tens of thousands, of illicit bucks.
What is so ironic is that there are all these stringent rules in place with MLB and the NCAA regarding how much contact an American player can have with an agent, what constitutes representation, what they are allowed to do and how much of a cut the agent can get. American amateurs can be duped or get bad advice by an agent, but there are structures in place to make sure that they aren't taken advantage of. Nothing like that exists in Latin America.
And of course, there's the whole dichotomy as to how foreign players and American and Canadians players are treated. If you are an American or Canadian, you are subject to the draft. You go to the team that picks you, and you either sign for what they are willing to pay or you go do something else for a year. There's a recommended slotting system, so players and agents have a pretty transparent process as to what is to be expected.
With Latin America, though, it is a free-for-all. Players can sign anywhere, they often have a limited amount of information available as to what is fair and what they can reasonably ask for, and they are really dependent on what the buscon tells them the options are and the choices available to them.
What would make the most sense, it would seem, would be to include international players in the amateur draft at age 17 or 18. I'm really surprised that MLB hasn't done that already...for all the talk about the draft being about competitive balance, it is really a mechanism for artificially depressing prices, and incorporating international players in the draft would eliminate the bidding wars that go on right now for the top international guys.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Selig & Co. end up using this as an excuse to push to incorporate international players in the draft once the next CBA goes into place. You're going to get some pushback from certain teams -- the Yankees and Boston, for example, who see the international arena as a mechanism to pick up the sort of high ceiling talent that usually doesn't drop to them in the draft, along with teams like the Rangers who have significant investments in their international operations and who feel like they have a leg up there.
But having two separate systems really seems awfully pointless, and since we know MLB isn't going to eliminate the draft in America, and we know that MLB is going to feel pressured to take steps to try to clean up the sordidness going on with Latin American signees right now, it seems likely that this could usher in a worldwide draft.
39 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
To me, this is way more important than steroids.
And I think just drafting them is the easiest answer. Teams with big time scouting operations down there would still have a slight advantage.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Neither am I
but on the other hand maybe I’m not quite enough of a homer to say screw the kids, let’s perpetuate an unfair system just so my team can maintain its advantage.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Absolutely.
There’s probably a way to “fix” it without introducing a draft. It would be better to explore those options than to just institute a draft, especially since I don’t think turning it into a draft is really the “easiest answer”.
And if there is a way
I’m all for it. Really, they probably just need a much more stringent and open signing process, and I’d think many teams would support that. I still think that long term a draft provides the most consistency. Why should players be treated differently because they come from the DR instead of Puerto Rico?
Is there something wrong with your site? I couldn’t get there from my bookmark the last several days (now at work, not sure if that’s still the case).
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I switched things up a bit last week.
I accounted for the major bookmarks, but I think I missed the /articles/ directory. If you go to the root domain (http://www.texasleaguers.com), everything should be fine.
I still have no idea
if the kids are really more screwed than the Puerto Rican kids now in the draft.
How many Puerto Rican kids are now getting big money? How many Puerto Rican kids are making their way into MLB? How many PR Kids are getting to the majors and making really big money?
It used to be pretty common to see PR players in the MLB raking big Coin, like Juan Gonzalez or Pudge Rodriguez. I think the last bigtime PR player was Beltran in the draft of ’95.
Not long after the draft was implemented, the PR just dried up as a hotspot for talent.
Get off my lawn.
The only two I can come up with
are Soto and Alex Rios…oh, and of course the Stache.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
PR Prospects
from looking at the list
neftali soto – reds (real prospect)
over 500 ABs or 10 decisions since 1995
luis matos
alex cintron
alfredo amezaga
alexis rios
fernando caberea
edwin encarnacion
yadier molina
geovany soto
there has not been a PR drafted player appear in the major leagues that was drafted since 2001 – only 6 players have been drafted and played since 2000
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Hmm
Salary Cap +
International FA draft +
Halve revenue sharing +
Scrap steroid policy +
Ban maple bats
= ?
good stuff
Buscon, huh. Hello new career.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
I kind of expect
Zywica will be a Buscon for all those dreamy Latin American teens and pre-teens.
Get off my lawn.
Is it really the Kids being taken ripped off?
The kids can sign with the highest bidder. Nothing really keeps them from signing with another team if the scouts for other teams show up.
It seems like its the teams being ripped off. If the teams knew paying less was an option, they probably would.
Get off my lawn.
Both are getting screwed
The kids aren’t aware how much money they are losing when they sign and the teams are obviously paying way too much for a player.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
what would the rangers do if they incorporated LA players to the draft
You would still need strong LA scouting but does it still make financial sense to invest so heavily in baseball academies?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I think I heard
that after MLB included Puerto Rico in the draft, then the talent basically dried up, because of exactly what you are talking about.
When was the last great player to come out of Puerto Rico?
hmm
maybe the MLB could buy the academies from Texas and run it themselves…and compensate the Rangers with a 2 wild Card berths they can cash in at any time.
But really, the MLB isn’t going to be nearly as vested in running the academies as a team
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I've been wanting an international draft for a long time
I still maintain that the ideal system is a 2nd draft for overseas players, possibly in August. Here is the format:
Rule IV draft, covering American and Canadian players in June. This draft lasts 25 or 30 rounds
International draft in August, coverign all players from Puerto Rico, DR, etc. This draft lasts 3 rounds
Draft order is the same for both drafts. But here is the catch. Teams can forfeit a pick from the domestic draft for higher position in the international draft. Say Kansas City is drafting 4th, but they really want a certain DR kid. Assuming teams 1-3 all pick a player, they can pass on their #4 pick and pick 1st in the International draft. This will ensure that the same team doesn’t pick first twice – if there is a guy like Inoa who should be the #4 pick, a team picking around #4 would rather pass than take a lesser domestic player. By this system, the top tier of players get taken in the proper order.
The reason for separating the talent is to limit the depth of the international draft. Only the top players are subjected to it, leaving a reason for the academies (there is still reason for teams to invest money to have high risk filler kids who may click).
not a bad start
but one issue would be the ages.
If you had the same age requirements for both drafts, then you lose out on one of the advantages of the LA academies which is developing those kids, in lieu of the high schools in the U.S. and Canada. Not sure if Texas runs an acacdemy for 16 years olds if they know that 95% of those kids are going to be drafted by someone else.
You could have a minimum age for the LA draft, but then I wonder if some young American might decide to take up residence in DR in hopes of getting paid a couple of years early.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
The younger age difference
what is stopping a really good American kid from doing that right now? In theory, they probably could
The obvious answer, to me, is that if you are a kid from Santo Domingo, a $300K bonus at 16 pretty much sets you for life, even if you only see $140K of that. So if you fail in professional ball, you can go back home and be okay.
Whereas for the average 16 year old American star ballplayer, even if he has a tough ages 17 and 18, he should be able to get a scholarship to college somewhere if he doesn’t maintain his star draft potential.
And the academy issue is a big one
Why should Texas pay into that for everyone’s benefit? I don’t know, but it is certainly in teams interests to acquire guys who aren’t obviously future stars. Those acquisitions should favor the teams that develop them, which is why I think limiting it to only a couple of rounds is ideal.
You could also have the draft be for their rights, not necessarily their permanent control as with the domestic draft. You draft for control over 3 international players (any country) in a given year, but you have to have them stateside within 2 years (at which point the normal clock starts ticking). Fixed bonus structure and salaries – so as not to screw the kids out of their money.
This would discourage American kids from going overseas, since their FA clock doesn’t start going any faster.
Another thought
Drafting for rights, instead of actual contracts, could also pertain to Japanese players. If a Dice-K is going to be available in a year, draft his rights, and you are the only team allowed to sign him. But you have to have him in an American league within a time frame or you lose control (and you still can’t violate his existing contract in Japan). None of this corrupt backroom posting system thing they have going on – if a Japanese team wants to trade his rights to the US, then go for it.
I think Drafts are bad for talent development
and that Academies do a much better job of bringing more talent to MLB.
Get off my lawn.
I don't know if you can say that.
You are working with a pretty low N there (roughly N=1), and that main example was bungled.
The academies are a game theory problem – simply all or none thinking doesn’t work in this case. Why should a team invest money when the expected benefit will be divided equally across all teams equally?
Say you have three scenarios:
1> Draft, with 0 academies
2> No draft, with 5 teams heavily invested there
3> Draft, with 30 teams invested there
Which is better for talent? Probably 3>2>1. We’re in state 2 right now. 3 is better, but we want to avoid 1. How do we do that? Change the rules of the game. Make ‘3’ the optimal state for each club. Bias the draft towards teams with academies (if a player from your academy is picked first, you get to pick first the next year). Teams with academies (defined by an intelligent measure, such as a threshold of kids graduating to the pros) draft before teams without.
I just don't see
option 3 ever happening. Once you have a draft, you create a free rider problem.
The team that invests nothing will always have some access to the talent. They essentially impose a “tax” on the teams that are running academies. Once that tax gets high enough, it is no longer worthwhile to run academies and subsidize your competition.
I don’t think you will be able to integrate your desire to subsidize the teams for running academies with Baseball’s desire to prop up the poorest performing franchise.
Unless MLB takes over the academies, I don’t see it happening. If MLB takes over the academies, my guess is they won’t quite be as gung ho as the guys running them who get kickbacks out of the deal.
Get off my lawn.
My first thought.....
when this story first hit was that this would lead to an international draft.
international draft
what do you do with players from china? japan? cuba? the czech republic?
international draft is a pipe dream guys. for one, the NPB will scream bloody murder, it would decimate world-wide competition – no way that it would work like the NBA draft or the NHL draft, because why would players stay in say japan when they could be attmpeting to climb the ladder and play for a ton of money here?
im not a fan of any kind of international draft at ALL (as you can see), and its not that its a fair way of dealing with these situations under the current system but i think it would really get screwed up by selig and co. and as much money as they would be spending onsome kindo f international draft why wouldnt they just pour money into (re)starting a baseball league in Australia? starting one (a real one) in china or india? working to have more baseball in europe, having more leagues in south america specifically,. etc
o wait, they could do that if they were not paying bud selig 47 MILLION over the last 3 years…
its not like MLB is the EPL of the world, because there is what, one other league that is even closet to them (the NPB in Japan) and even that is def. not at their level. the other thing abotu soccer is that you have owners across the world/europe who will pay the big dollars for player in spain, italy, germany, etc (along with england) – creating an international draft would do more hurt that good imho…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I'm with you
Not only do I hope we don’t have an international draft, I wish we could take Puerto Rico back out of the draft, and restore baseball academies there. It’s just a shame how much the draft has decimated Puerto Rico as a talent hotspot.
Get off my lawn.
yup
its a shame
and really, how much woudl it hurt anyone who drafted from there?
i count 18 top 5 rounds picked from there since 1999
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
x
what do you do with players from china? japan? cuba? the czech republic?
The same thing the NBA does with guys from those countries?
Or the NHL?
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 2, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
except
there is another system of leagues in those countries in soccer, hockey or basketball where they can develop
there isnt for baseball
why would a player even think about playing in the NPB in Japan for 6+ years when they could play in the US and if they are good be in the pros in less than 5 years?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Huh?
You’ll have to expand. I don’t understand what you are saying.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 2, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
there is a czech hockey league, a turkish basketball league, a russian hockey league and a german soccer league – they can continue to play/develop there on their own but there is not an eastern european baseball league, a chinese baseball league, an australian baseball league, etc
this is what i would prefer the MLB invest in
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
What is stopping a Japanese high school kid from doing just that now?
Other than a wink-and-nod system in MLB that they won’t sign any Japanese players? If an American kid wanted to ignore the team that drafted him and go play in Japan, he’s free to do that (heck, Jason Botts should have just saved himself time and us aggravation).
they have tried to lure players to the united states for years (IIRC the angels went HARD after dice-k when he graduated from HS) but players are worried about being shunned, have a duty to their country, etc
theres a guy (forget hsi name) that has been attempting to get high profilep layers to come to the united states unsuccessfully for years
maybe this will change in the future, but i dobut it will…if an american kid could, he would but why would you. if your good – why would yo go there where your going to earn less money vs playing here and attempting to make it to the big time first
NPB players are under team control for a minimum of eight years, and pre-free agent players sign get multi-year contracts (not that I’ve heard of anyway). So each offseason players and teams negotiate salaries for the upcoming season. It’s a little like the arbitration process in MLB, but players’ salaries will decrease after a bad year, and there’s never a third party mediator involved. Players who hold out sometimes pay their own way to spring training.
from NPB tracker
also, yu darvish makes about 2.7 million. now imagine what he would make now. if there was more than his iranian father/perosnal opionions why wouldnt he come to the US?
it would decimate the NPB, which would probably have to raid the korean and taiwanese leagues which would close those, there would be even less or a reason to (re)start a league in australia if your going to not even get any good players (from a financial standpoint, you would have no one drawing people to come)
i just think there are better ways for the MLB to spend their time/money and to expand baseball to other parts of the world that are more pressing than an international draft
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I don't get it
Is this written from the point of view of a worldwide baseball fan, or what is best for MLB?
If it is what is best for MLB, why do we care at all about the Japanese Leagues? They sell us their old stars as they as passing their prime to keep their teams afloat financially. And really, the NPB can’t do anything about it. If a Japanese kid is not under contract to a Japanese team, they can’t sue MLB for signing him in America.
Now, I agree that implemented poorly could be bad for global baseball in general. So don’t implement it poorly – a well organized international draft could be a boon to international baseball, rather than a hindrance. There are all sorts of ideas that can be implemented (run it like expansion drafts – each team can protect one player per academy, but they have to use their pick on him). Obviously none are perfect, but the system now isn’t particularly golden either.
You may argue “Bud Selig is too inept to pull it off well,” and I’d have to acknowledge that. But the draft failing Puerto Rico doesn’t mean that the draft is a bad idea in general.
I definitely like Adam's take on the matter
So far as it was presented. One issue that remains, beyond buscons, is handling situations like the work visa denial situation we’ve experienced and been hurt by. How would an international draft clean up the associated “get into the U.S” scams and be influenced by cash rich buscon employees who are not “advisors” or agents of record?
And how much more of “America trying to set rules for the world” sentiment would an international draft cause, away from baseball ? Just wondering.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Mar 2, 2009 3:48 PM CST reply actions

by 





























