Saturday a.m. stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 21, 2009 10:05 AM CDT
Email
PrintThe Andruw Jones situation is still the story today, as the Rangers gave Jones an extra couple of days to decide whether or not to opt out.
Jeff Wilson writes that Jon Daniels has told Jones the best case scenario for Jones would be making the team as a backup, with a source telling Wilson that Jones is unlikely to accept an assignment to Oklahoma. Personally, I'd just as soon not have Jones at Oklahoma anyway, given that you're already going to have three guys down there -- Julio Borbon, Brandon Boggs, and Greg Golson -- who profile as centerfielders defensively and should be getting time in center. Wilson says that Jones and those three would rotate between the outfield and DH if Jones went to AAA, although that doesn't seem very productive.
My guess is that Daniels is spending the weekend working the phones to see if anyone will give up a prospect for Cat, or overpay for Nelson Cruz or Marlon Byrd. If so, then a move could come down and Jones could end up sticking as the 4th outfielder. Otherwise, Jones probably opts out and looks for a team that will give him a major league job.
T.R. Sullivan says that Nelson Cruz beat out Jones for a starting job, although that makes me wonder why the fight would have been between Jones and Cruz...if Jones had shown enough to be a starting OF'er, it seems like David Murphy should have been the one to go to the bench, rather than Cruz.
Sullivan also looks at Matt Harrison and the history of lefty starters in Texas.
On the injury front, Michael Young is expected to be out until Tuesday with a tight quad, C.J. Wilson is supposed to pitch today, and Luis Mendoza is supposed to pitch tomorrow.
85 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
cruz and murphy
it’s down to cruz because the rangers (especially washington) seem to have a mancrush on murphy
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
A prospect for Cat?
Who are you kidding?
If anyone even picked up a tiny portion of the contract and gave us a bag of cornnuts back, we’d be ahead of the game.
Get off my lawn.
Huh?
Who are you kidding?
I’m not sure what you are talking about.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 21, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Your quote that sounds delusional.
My guess is that Daniels is spending the weekend working the phones to see if anyone will give up a prospect for Cat
Do you seriously think we get a prospect back even if we pick up his entire contract?
Get off my lawn.
No
I also don’t think anyone is going to overpay for Cruz or Murphy, though.
I guess that’s delusional, as well?
That was the whole point of what I was saying…I suspect the front office is going to spend the weekend seeing if there is anyone who is going to overpay for one of those three guys, and if so, they’ll look at keeping Jones, and otherwise, Jones is gone.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Then I suppose
our GM is delusional if he is going to spend all weekend hitting the phones, trying to make it happen. What a complete waste of time.
Get off my lawn.
But its his time
and he can do whatever he wants with it.
Now, if he has asked me to work the phones for him, then we’d have a problem.
by NorCalRangersFan on Mar 21, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love to do that!!!
working the phones for a GM.
by death of the cool on Mar 21, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be cool
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
Mr. Daniels?
You have a call on line two.
I’m sorry, Mr. Daniels is not available at the moment. Can I take a message?
Hmmm, working the phones doesn’t sound all that cool to me.
as long as it's the barbecue cornnuts..
I don’t care too much for the ranch style ones.
What's the Nef tally??
His salary will be paid by us one way or another
Rangers paying the team 6 Mil and Cat for a prospect is the best case scenario, IMO
Even if you paid his entire salary
no one is giving a prospect for Cat.
750 OPS PHs are worthless.
Get off my lawn.
Given your demand the other day
Do you now have to apologize to Adam, etc. over Andruw after today’s abrupt change in heart?
by Brett Perryman on Mar 21, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
A. Jones needs to move on down the road
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
My point is...
…that if the Rangers are going to have to pay most of his contract and get magic beans back, I think they’d just as soon hold on to Cat and let Andruw Jones go.
If someone wants to give them a middling prospect for him, with Texas paying most of his contract, I think they might let him go and let Andruw Jones be the 5th outfielder.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 21, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
It wouldn't bother me
To see both of them gone by Opening Day.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
+ 1
Poor Andruw.
I have a feeling we will soon see him on a street corner holding a sign “Will strike-out for food.”
What's the Nef tally??
LAMF
How have you been? Still globetrotting around the world?
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
hey Boom Boom pretty damn good thanks..
I’m not that worldly.. I tend to stay in the U S so I remain close to work. Chillin in L A for a bit before I do my east coast tour this summer.
How are the ..was it …6? pets doing?
What's the Nef tally??
Great
I have a new job now. Selling real estate.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
All over but mainly
Colleyville-Southlake area.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
A lot of ex players get into real estate
Maybe you can get Andruw a job.
by NorCalRangersFan on Mar 21, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I sold T. New's house
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
thats never a bad thing
makde a NICE commission i bet
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 21, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be fine
Except someone has to be the 25th man.
Boggs, Golson, Duran, Arias…all those guys, presumably, you’d rather have in AAA playing every day, rather than sitting in the majors and getting 125 PAs over the course of the season.
If they want to go get a Calvin Murray type pinch runner/defensive CF’er as the 25th man, I’d be down with that.
Otherwise, might as well keep Cat.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 21, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
A Calvin Murray type
Would be fine by me also.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
Not sure Andruw Jones doesn't have
more value than Cat. Not that Andruw has a lot of value now, but its tough to think of anything with much less value than a platoon PH who doesn’t even hit all that well.
Get off my lawn.
Can we all please stop the
“Hell, I would take a can/bag/sack/six-pack of bean/corn/potato/beer/nuts for Player A”
The shit gets old, its not original, everybody gets your point. Just stop.
it seems like
people in the org really love David Murphy, and if that is the case, I really can’t see any justification for holding on to Byrd. If Byrd will only occupy a 4th OF role, then why not let Jones have that role and trade Byrd? I still think that is what happens.
Well
It depends on how much better than Jones you think Byrd is, and how much Byrd will return in trade.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 21, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
And
how certain you are that Cruz will come through for you.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 21, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Boston.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Mar 21, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
wow
vertical stripes really are slimming
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Mar 21, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously overpay for Nelson
way seriously overpay
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Evan talks a little bullpen:
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
agree with EG
the bullpen is extremely important, but I didn’t realize that we led that much in the first six innings than we did. I just always felt like the team was always coming from behind. Probably because when we were losing, we were losing by 5+ runs. :P
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
I'd hate to see Nelson Cruz leave...
and hit 35-40 homers for anybody else (I’m sensing a breakout). Plus he’s the only thing close to right-handed protection we have for Hamilton. And it wouldn’t surprise me to see Byrd and Murphy play in the same number of games this year.
We need to keep the guys we have (except Cat) and Jones needs to move on.
Jones and Cruz
I think the rationale about Jones competing with Cruz is because if Jones would have made the team it would have been as a CF which would have forced Hamilton to RF. The Rangers have been reluctant to play Nelson in LF and its my belief that until they do so in a game they don’t view him as a viable option out there regardless of Murphy or Byrd. So if Jones would have made the team Cruz would have been without a spot and thus been the casualty.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I have always wondered....
Why Hamilton is never talked about for LF? I know that people say it “waste his arm”, but when you already have a cannon in RF with Cruz, Hamilton would seem like a gold glover in LF…plus LF at the ballpark has some room out there. It would be nice to man that with a player that has the range for CF.
Could our OF by the year end be Hamilton/Borbon/Cruz
by death of the cool on Mar 21, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Cruz
What the hell does he have to do to get respect from people?
i swear he is going to go hit 30 homers for someone and our FO will yet again look like a bunch of dumbasses.
Ridiculous…ive defended this FO for a lot of shit but im sick of the way theyve handled Cruz. It is time to just give him 100 games this year and see what happens. Stop screwing around trying to give some pos player his position for no reason.
This message brought to you by
Nelson Cruz’s Mom.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Maybe not sucking in the majors would be a good start
He had one good month. Brandon Boggs had a good month last year but he ended up sucking. He’ll get his shot but don’t be suprised if by mid May hes hitting .240/.300/.400 and gets his walking papers
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
If that is the case fine
But he has to at least get a shot
there is too much talent and potential there to risk just giving him away since we wont get much for him in a trade
Aother shot right?
Hes had shots before. Just as long as you recognize that
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Debatable
Im not sure id say he ever got enough time or enough consistent time to prove himself
that said, it is irrelevant b/c he has earned a chance with his amazing play last year and this Spring
Not really
As GDawg pointed out below he got everyday PT after coming over in the trade in 2006 and then started 2007 with everyday PT for the first two months. In a combined 274 ABs he hit .204. His OBP was .249.
His September last year earned him ANOTHER shot theres no doubt. But if he starts off slow I have no problem letting him go no matter what he does once he leaves here. He could go and hit 80 HRs with another team and it wouldn’t bother me cause he had plenty of chances here.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The Rangers traded for Cruz in 2006
and he was a regular starter for most of the last 2 months of the season. They then gave him the starting job in 2007 where he looked terrible. I don’t know how you bitch about the way they handled Cruz since they gave him around 70 starts between 2006 and the first half of 2007 and then gave him another 40 starts in the last couple of months of 2007. I like Nelson Cruz, but there is no way you can complain about this team not giving him a shot in the past.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I agree with this
But he has to get a chance this season imo
it is an egregious error for the rangers to not give him at least 1/2 of this season to prove that he can be successful
he finished the season great…he was great in winter ball…and then he has been great in the spring
I definitely agree with giving him a good chance this season
to prove himself one way or another.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I don't understand trading Cruz anyway
hasn’t there been alot made about the patience we’ve had, and we are about to reap the rewards of being patient with this late bloomer.
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
Well, how much stock do you put in a one-month sample size against apathetic competition?
by oc on Mar 21, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Last year
he was out of this world in AAA as well, and kept raking in DWL. I know that is different from the Bigs, but he had never been THAT good. I would like to see it translate over an entire season. And I hope he gets that fair shot to do it here. I see no reason why not.
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
Gio Gonzalez next A's starter out.
Entering spring training, Gio Gonzalez had a realistic shot to be an A’s starter, but now it’s iffy. The left-hander has a shoulder problem and hasn’t appeared in a game since he threw two hitless innings against the Diamondbacks on March 12. He’s not throwing off a mound and is limited to long toss.
Not yet.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Sideshow Sammy redux
Wash will probably wind up starting his “RH DH” 120 games if that happens.
Now blogging again (temporarily) at "Hello Win Column".
My concern all along
has been Washington’s propensity to misuse Jones and the organization’s reluctance to let him go, along the lines of Sosa. Nothing has happened yet, really, but today’s news does bring back my fear.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 21, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
He still seems enamored with the way Wash gets along with the players, but sooner or later you have to look past that and realize Wash is a blockhead when it comes to actually managing a team. Why he and Nolan saved him last April is really beyond me.
Now blogging again (temporarily) at "Hello Win Column".
Yeah that's fair
I don’t like having to think of ways to work around repeated blunders that you know the manager is going to make.
by Brett Perryman on Mar 22, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Lone Star Ball
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
- Benches clear at Fenway as Red Sox-Rays rivalry heats up
- Keeping good company: Albert Pujols becomes fourth-youngest player to hit 450 home runs
