Heyman on Jones
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 23, 2009 6:58 PM CDT
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PrintJon Heyman talks about Andruw Jones sticking with the Rangers, and says that Rudy Jaramillo is primarily the guy who is pushing for Jones to make the team, with Ron Washington and Nolan Ryan also in the "pro-Jones" camp...
Given that there are reports that the organization is split on him, I think that suggests that Daniels, Levine, et al in the front office are in the group that would just as soon cut bait with Jones.
But it appears Jaramillo is going to get his wish, and have Jones stick in a semi-regular role for a while...
I wonder how many other teams are in a situation where the hitting coach and the pitching coach have more real pull within the organization than the manager does...
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So basically
Rudy’s the one who’s been pushing for this, and Nolan is listening to Rudy. Ron is in the background with the pom-poms, getting ready to give Andruw more AB’s than he deserves.
Ugh.
She was a grand old lady...
Are there
others who were wishing Rudy got the Mets job? I remember the players fussing that he better be resigned, seems they’re more interested in big HR/RBI #s. I can’t recall a patient approach during his time. I’m sure Texiera ran to Rudy after his disagreement w/ Wash. I’m not the biggest Wash fan, but I don’t like the idea of him being undermined.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
hmm
how many other organizations have had a hitting coach outlast so many managers
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Mar 23, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
I'm a little confused.
Does no one think Andruw Jones can actually be good again or do you just not want him taking at bats away from our younger players no matter how he does?
I don't get it, why would life give me lemons?
I just don't want him taking AB's away from younger players
Not only Chris Davis, but if he sticks around all year as the RH DH he could wind up blocking Max, too. There’s just no real reason to have him on the team if he’s not going to play an above-average CF and allow us to move Hamilton to right and Cruz to left.
She was a grand old lady...
And during the Sunday dugout interview
When asked about RF, Hamilton sheepishly said “I don’t know about that. Every time I go over there it seems about 50 shots go down the line” (suggesting that CF may not be more strenuous from his point of view)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Mar 23, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he wasn't very good in CF last year
At this point it’s not really about whether CF is more strenuous to him or not.
She was a grand old lady...
So glad you reminded
Department of redundancy department. Does JD have your statement about what the point is about, and gone over it with Rudy and Wash and Nolan? If his defense in CF is actually lacking again, and if Cruz solidifies RF (likely), should Josh move to DH and end all this blather about who is the DH? Or do you just DFA him? Or what?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Mar 23, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Josh's CCF rating
Heard it about 1,114 times now. Did you really pipe uup with that, or was it just an echo>
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Mar 23, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just making the point
That it doesn’t really matter if Hamilton’s more comfortable in center, if he’s not good there he shouldn’t really play there (kind of like MY and shortstop). Sooner or later Borbon should make that a non-issue, but a big part of the reason Andruw was originally brought in was to possibly facilitate Hamilton’s move to RF earlier.
I’m not really sure what your point is, frankly.
She was a grand old lady...
Circle back
It was merely the observation that Hamilton isn’t wild about RF, and your declaration about his playing time at any position (particularly with respect to the original point about Andruw taking playing time away from younger players) is like a denial of what his interview last Sunday portrayed. No the inmates don’t run the prison – I was just put off by your jumping on the post as if it were not factual. No harm, but you stated it like you were laying down a commandment to the team.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Mar 23, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
One more
There is no evidence from his play in CF to this point that Andruw would improve CF defense, or facilitate Hamilton moving to a corner.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Mar 23, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, perhaps I should've said "shouldn't" instead of "isn't"
I guess a lot of people take my posts like I’m trying to lay down a commandment, which isn’t really my intention. I guess I still haven’t been able to improve the “tone” of my posts. My apologies.
She was a grand old lady...
Hey no problem
You are good at using relevant facts, which trumps all sorts of not so objective opinions. And I’d sure endorse the Andruw has no place on the team mantra. I suspect he’s a good guy in the clubhouse, and even support giving Boras more time to find him a spculator team, but would really worry about taking it any further than the end of ST.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Mar 23, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
If Max ends up as the full time DH at any point in the season it will be a disappointment IMO
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Why?
Salty looks poised to take over the catching job, and Teagarden will make the perfect backup/part time platoon catcher. I don’t see Max catching at this point.
She was a grand old lady...
Where does he have the most value to us?
With Smoak looking to be a fast riser Max’s most value could be as a trade piece. And a power hitting catcher is much more valuable than a DH. Put Max behind home plate for 140 games this year in OKC and at the end of the year then make a decision on what to do with him. Bringing him up this year to DH practically ends his development and pidgeonholes him into a position only half the teams in the league can use.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Well, maybe
Maybe if he spent the entire season DHing it would. But I don’t think we’d see him till the second half of the season, and I’m not really sure half a season of DHing would tank his value if he was given sporadic starts behind the plate, as long as the reason he’s DHing is because he’s blocked by Salty and Tea. In fact, if he comes up and mashes for a half season at DH, I think it would increase his value since more teams would want to get that bat and try it behind the plate.
She was a grand old lady...
Whens he gonna get these "spot starts" behind the plate?
If Salty and Tea are up why would you start Max? Neither of those two should ever be tired enough to warrant both sitting a day.
For me catcher is the one position that once you stop playing its very hard to go back to. If once Smoak comes up Davis moves to primarily DH its not gonna affect him as much because he could still go out and play adequate to above adequate defense at the position.
But if Max, whos already below average defensively, were to take half a season off from catching it would be very hard to get him back there and have any hope of him being average at best. Which would eliminate his trade value to NL teams. Moving a catcher to DH is a last resort IMO.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I see both points of view
If Max comes up and posts a .300/.400/.500 line, teams will find a position for him whether it is behuind the plate, at 1B or DH. Half a season to prove he can hit in the MLs will only increase his value. Does Davis have more value now than he did a year ago?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Davis
I’m also wondering if we could see Davis traded instead of Max since the Rangers suddenly don’t seem too confident in Davis’ ability – which would probably facilitate Max’s move to DH.
She was a grand old lady...
I think there are
different levels on confidence in the organization. JD(see LSB front page) has said he has confidence in Davis. Wash probably less so due to some job in security.
I do think Davis ends up being traded. Either for a frontline SP, COF or 3B. But not until after the 2010 season.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Yeah, after reading JD's statements about Davis I'd have to retract the above
He’s not going anywhere just yet. The problem this year will be the possibility of him getting benched against lefties because Wash has no confidence in “unproven” players.
She was a grand old lady...
3B?
I believe we have our third baseman for the next 5 years why would we need another one? With Max/CD/Smoak, kinsler, and andrus I think 3b is young’s only option at this point and theres no team out there who would trade for that contract. I hope you don’t think they would pay someone eighteen million to sit on the bench. I don’t think theres any way the cornerstone player we get back in a Davis trade is a 3B, or COF for that matter.
I think the chance he is good is slim
I think this is a combination of 1) Rudy and, to an extent, Ron having no confidence in Nelson Cruz and not a ton of confidence in Chris Davis, and 2) Rudy’s ego.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 23, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
i thought we don’t listen to Heyman…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
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Heyman=Boras' puppet
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
What it would take for me to be happy to have Andruw Jones
Either of:
- he pitches 230 innings with a WHIP of 1.08 and puts up a 7:1 K/BB ratio, or
- he gets about 230 PA’s (mainly DH) and produces an ERA+ of 128
Likely that either happens? Heyman’s “if” (barely noticeable at the end) allows that no real decision will be made until the end of ST.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Mar 23, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions
ERA+ of 128
That’d be mighty impressive with 230 PAs unless you’re talking about 230 batters faced plate appearances :D.
R
No just the way I hyped it
Heh. But I meant to type OPS+ of course. Silly me not checking typos.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Mar 23, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Jaramillo...
needs to know his role and shut his mouth.
He’s a hitting coach. You’re paid to help the guys that are on the team with their offense. Not decide which players should be on the team to help the offense.
This also could be the nail in the coffin for Washington in my eyes. I’ve defended him to some extent because no manager in the history of baseball could have made the Rangers a winner with the pitching they have had the last two years. However his use of spares at the expense of other players is frustrating. If Jones is playing 3 or 4 times a week when the season starts I will be very upset.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
"shut his mouth"
you’re kidding right? He’s paid to teach and assess the hitters on the ballclub . . .
Manager?
Everyone knows that the Rangers dont have a manager. All we need is a bad April and Ronnie, I’ll give myself A+ Washington will be history. Then maybe the Rangers kick ass the rest of the season. Pull for a terrible April.
If Wash gets fired in-season,
Jackie Moore will almost certainly be his replacement. Moore (70) will be the oldest manager in baseball and there’s no real reason to believe he’d be a better option.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Mar 23, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions
reply to Big Tex
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Mar 23, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
my prediction.....
Jones gets some A game starts in the next week and a half, the pitchers for the other teams will be amping it up for the end of ST, he’ll start fanning in 2 out of 3 at bats, and he’ll be gone.
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