Monday a.m. things
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 13, 2009 9:46 AM CDT
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Bleah.
Time for the red to come back out.
And a couple of things that have been rattling around in my mind about yesterday's game and Ron Washington's decision-making in the 8th inning, one small, one big.
First, the small one...if you are going to walk Marcus Thames, why not have Wilson do it before removing him from the game? Why bring in a reliever, have him warm up, and then immediately have him intentionally walk a batter? You traditionally want to have your new reliever come in and pitch, not come in and throw intentional balls and then pitch.
Secondly...what was Warner Madrigal even doing in the game in the 8th inning? Based on his usage by Ron Washington so far, Madrigal appears to be the last guy in the bullpen. He's probably getting sent down soon. There seems to be little faith in his ability to get guys out.
Was Frankie Francisco warming up at that point? You are planning on using him in the 9th if you have the lead anyway, so he may well have been up. And if he wasn't up, he should have been, because it seems like bases loaded in a tie game in the 8th is a situation where you want your best reliever, not your worst, coming into the game.
And for that matter, when you've got one out, bases loaded, and a two run lead on the road in the 8th inning, with a righthander, Carlos Guillen, coming up, why don't you go get Francisco at that point? Wouldn't you rather have Francisco come in in a situation where you desperately need a shut down, rather than stick with a struggling Wilson or bringing in your #7 reliever?
It is the trap of defining roles, and saying that Francisco is your "closer," and thus is only going to be brought in in the 9th inning with a lead, rather than in the most crucial spots. And by sticking with Wilson, rather than bringing in the best reliever on the team to put out the 8th inning fire, by being overly wedded to roles and "save" situations, Washington may well have cost the Rangers the game yesterday.
Jeff Wilson says that Kevin Millwood and Washington are both expressing faith in C.J. Wilson. Evan Grant says the Carlos Guillen double was on a cutter from Wilson, and suggests that part of Wilson's struggles are due to his reluctance to stick with his bread-and-butter fastball and slider.
Chris Davis's problem right now is his timing, as he's slow getting around on fastballs. Fastballs, of course, he killed when he first came up last year, and then started getting a steady diet of breaking balls, which he had to adjust to. But Ron Washington says he's going to keep rolling Davis out there, which is good to hear.
Jim Reeves thinks that Kevin Millwood can be the perfect guy to head up the young Ranger rotation going forward, and is worried that, if Millwood is pitching well this summer but the Rangers are out of contention, Millwood could be moved.
Meanwhile, over at the DMN blog, Brett has a roundup of yesterday's minor league games, and Richard Durrett asks what you would do about the bullpen situation.
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Fastballs
Seems like Davis isn’t the only one in the lineup having trouble catching up to the fastball right now. I’ve noticed Hammy has been behind on them as well.
Seems like a kink that will work its way out in not too long
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it really sucks that both of those guys are having trouble at the same time
we should have been teeing off on verlander
Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder
by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure about the teeing off on Verlander part.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he threw 8 straight fastballs to hamilton
EIGHT!!
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by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When its 97mph
Do you really need to do much else?
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 13, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His FB is really good
but so are his other pitches. If the timing isn’t there, I agree, why would Verlander need to throw anything else?
by FuturePants on Apr 13, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his other pitches weren't nearly as good that day
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by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
97 isn't so fast that you can't catch up to it
and in the first inning against hamilton, that shouldn’t happen
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by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and verlander's fastball is pretty straight
that is why he’ll get hit. if you have his fastball timed, you’ve got him
"Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the RANGERS, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, your out, At the old ball game."
by NothinG on Apr 13, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point Salts
Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.
by BigGuns on Apr 13, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the best fastballs in the game.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah they should have
I’ve decided I’m going to kind of blame that on the cold. They should have been crushing Verlander’s fastball. But it was, what, 45 degrees? Colder = slower reaction times in biology. Maybe it adds another 1 or 2 mph to a fastball?
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really hoping that we can just blame the weather for that series
and put these 3 games behind us.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 13, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't there an article
Just yesterday talking about how Josh doesn’t see the ball well during the day? If this keeps up during night games I’ll be more worried. For now, we just need Davis to get back on track.
by Motiak on Apr 13, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was an article about Davis as well
saying the same thing. Let’s hope they both see tonight’s home game as a chance for a fresh start.
I don’t usually say this sort of stuff, but I have a feeling tonight will end up being a cathartic game for the team, at the expense of the Orioles.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
get him some contact lenses
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Apr 13, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remind them
that they played virtually ALL of their games in the daytime growing up. They probably never played a night game until they turned pro.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Apr 13, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson's pitch selection
I didn’t see the game yesterday, but in general I’ve been saying for a long time that Wilson needs to just pick his best couple of pitches and get batters out. He gets much too fancy and overthinks things out there. Just quiet your head and throw.
The whole twitter things is stupid, who cares? Unless he is twittering during games I don’t care. His mess of a head on the mound is the point.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Apr 13, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Zappa...
…on your recommendation I purchased a copy of “Apostrophe”.
While I still prefer “Joe’s Garage” it still proved out to be an excellent album. Thanks for the tip.
Rams plagued by fumbles as earthquakes rock Los Angeles. Film at eleven.
by Chad Crudup on Apr 13, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much to choose from there...
…but off the top of my head “Catholic Girls” “Crew Slut” and the wet t-shirt contest stuff is all terrific.
Rams plagued by fumbles as earthquakes rock Los Angeles. Film at eleven.
by Chad Crudup on Apr 13, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent album
On of the best lines: “He delighted as it stiffened. And ripped right through his sock.”
by NorCalRangersFan on Apr 13, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also a big fan
of Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch, but the whole Nanook thing and St. Alphonso’s Pancake Breakfast (where I stole the margareeen…) is cool, glad you dug it.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Apr 13, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your gripe about bringing in Madrigal to intentionally walk somebody, but I'm not sure it really mattered as Laird immediately struck out afterwards.
But I agree it should have been Frankie out there.
by oc on Apr 13, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Laird, as usual, tried to be a hero
Swung and ball 3, that would have put the count at 3-0.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
made me smile
why the hell would you swing at a pitch that follows 6 straight balls (intentional or not)? Absolutely retarded. If they don’t score that inning, it’s completely on him. luckily, he got bailed out.
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by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i think that’s why adam labeled it a small gripe. it had the potential to be a big (and justifiable) gripe.
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by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the issue is that its a “rookie mistake” …and RW is no longer a “rookie” manager
i mean…its foolish to use a RP 4x in 6 games, its foolish to bring someone in to IBB a guy, etc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RW is a terrible manager
the debacle that is him handling our pitching staff is one thing, then the fact that he puts our 25 man on the roster, Andruw Jones, in the Cleanup spot when he plays (once in 6 games) and yet he doesn’t think he is good enough to pinch-hit for struggling hitters with a combined 1 – 32 baffles me. Not to mention, that Marlon Byrd, who is also swinging the bat well is sitting on the bench and could have been a pinch hitter in the 9th. The few managing decisions he makes during the game don’t make any sense, and the one’s he doesn’t make, sometimes make even less sense.
"Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the RANGERS, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, your out, At the old ball game."
by NothinG on Apr 13, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replacement
I’m pretty sure that somebody mentioned that Nolan would have the say in who becomes the next manager of the team if Washington is fired (he did bring in plenty of people he liked in the offseason). Ryan does not strike me as the kind of guy who would hire a manager who thinks “outside the box” with regards to bullpen usage. This, in my opinion, is more important to the outcome of the game than lineup construction and pinch hitting.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Apr 13, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: "outside the box" idea
the problem is that RW doesnt know where the box is
you dont use one of your two “known” commodities 4 times in the first 6 games…thats how you wear out your bullpen right there and end up with someone like mendoza at the back of it at the end of the year
equally, how in the WORLD do you have a guy who is “good enough” to bat cleanup once every 5 days? im sorry, but this isnt pee-wee baseball where if your good, your good. your essentially saying that jones is good enough to take zero “game/live” ABs for 5-6 days then just jump into the clean up spot and do well? no.
as a manager, you should be putting your players in positions where they can do well. putting andruw in a position where he bats 4th once a week or gets 7-8 ABs a week is not putting him in a situation where he can do well. an example would be playing someone like sosa againt LHP (who he can clearly hit) and not playing him against RHP (who he struggles against)
putting a RP in 4 of your first 6 games = setting him up for failure
putting anyone in the cleanup spot after a week of seeing zero “live” pitches = setting him up for failure
ron washington may be a hell of a 3B coach…but he is not a MLB caliber manager. plain and simple.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash
If the Rangers have 3-4 more games like yesterday’s and are sitting below .500 on Memorial Day, he’ll be fired. You needn’t worry.
My hope is that Wash keeps his job, because that’ll mean the Rangers aren’t playing like they did on April 12th
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team will not make the playoffs with ron washingon at the helm.
mark it down.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Ron Washington won't see the beginning of May as Ranger manager' is a much bolder proclamation.
by oc on Apr 13, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so because its not bold
its lame?
that confuses me…
there is a lot better chance of him being fired before may 1 then the rangers making the playoffs with him as the manager
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if that's obvious he's fired before May 1st leaving nil chance he'll in fact be able to lead the Rangers to the playoffs, then you're essentially making a pretty lame prediction.
But boldly saying ‘mark it down’ makes it kinda funny.
by oc on Apr 13, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madrigal
While I agree with AJM on the stupidity of sticking with “roles”.. and therefore never bringing in your best reliever… I was kind of pleased that Warsh brought in Madrigal.
I think it may show that Warsh has little to no faith in the other options, and is willing to give a guy experience — trading short term for long term. We’ll need that for the rest of this year. Same thing with him sticking with Davis — we’re going to need Davis long term, and long term trumps short term.
Frankly, I though Mad Dog did a decent job. Strikeout of Laird, ground ball… if the ground ball gets hit at someone, then the whole discussion is different. And I think Mad Dog doing a decent job is something we can build on. (“WE CAN BUILD ON THIS!!!”)
by Oddibee on Apr 13, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this touches on a key point
are we really willing to simply use this year to build for 2010? It seems like a particularly weak year in the AL West and we seem to be one or two bullpen arms short of actually competing for the playoffs this year (we need starters too, but I think there is a decent chance one or two of Holland/Feliz/Sheets can be ready to help by July or August, so I see that as less of a need).
I can already tell that we will be caught in the middle ground (JD’s favorite place). I would actually prefer to play to win this year, and would rather let a raw talent like Madrigal develop in AAA while we actually, ya know, try to win major league games.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that is the hard part
That “no-man’s land” between win now and win later for this team. Not a place anyone wants to be.
I suspect they are going to be willing to give up a few games in April in hopes of winning games in September. I could be wrong though.
by Oddibee on Apr 13, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most important thing
is to worry about 2010. This is a weak year in the AL, but nothing should sacrifice the future to try and sneak into the playoffs for this one year.
These losses are tough to watch (glad I couldn’t catch this game on TV actually), but they will happen. The bullpen will work itself out by the end of the year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
while i agree 100%
the fact we should be looking forward to the future, its games like this that frusterate me as a baseball fan in general
according to fangraphs twitter feed’s win probability, the rangers had a 95% chance of winning when hank blalock lined out to end the 8th.
even after inge hit his HR, the rangers had a 91% chance of winning
when you have a 95% chance of winning a game with 6 outs, you should win the game.
plain and simple.
and its even worse when you consider he had (basically) his entire bullpen to work with. if they didnt have anyone out there who could get the outs then its about damn time to make a change to the people in the bullpen
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fangraphs probabilities
Someone should go through the Rangers games from the past year and calculate what their actual record was in games that they had a 95% chance of winning.
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
not good i mguessing
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood
Rangers pitching is a jalopy. It is not an area of strength to start trading away. It makes no sense to deal Millwood this year unless Feliz and Holland get significant ML starting reps by July.
This staff is a ways from being good, and even further from using that minors pipeline.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Apr 13, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't count on
Holland and Feliz anchoring the staff. We’ll still need a veteran presence in the rotation. Whether that veteran is Sheets and Millwood or another FA signing. If we trade MIllwood, we better get someone who is major league ready, we don’t have room in our minors. We, also, have the option of trading away some of our minor league talent to get a top flight pitcher. These are important decisions that will be made this year, and will decide if we indeed are able to compete in 2010 and beyond.
"Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the RANGERS, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, your out, At the old ball game."
by NothinG on Apr 13, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it all depends on the situation
if the Rangers are still playing with a patchwork assembly of has beens and never beens on the pitching staff, then yes, trade him in July and continue to play for 2010, even if you have to stick in someone like Mathis instead of Holland or Feliz. If they are in contention, then keep him. Even if we do compete this year, I expect to see at least one or two guys get traded. WE ARE A SMALL MARKET TEAM. That means we have to turn guys like Marlon Byrd into future productivity. We can’t afford to let them walk and hope for a 2nd round draft pick if we want to actually compete.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankie
I agree with you on Ron’s use of Frankie. He hasn’t pitched since Wed. I don’t think a 2 inning save would effect him too much. Games are not always decided in the 9th inning. The Rangers lost the game in the 8th yesterday with thier best reliever stillin the bullpen.
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by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I know it’s been harped on hundreds of times, but saves have messed up managers use of the bullpens. You shouldn’t lose a game like that yesterday with that big of a bullpen bullet still in the barrel. But, since he is the “closer” he can only pitch the 9th. Your best reliever should be in for the toughest situation. If we get out of there 4-2 and Frankie can’t pitch the 9th, that is still better than him finishing the game having not pitched.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 13, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson
did not appear to have much command of his fastball yesterday. When you see a pitcher go out there and struggle with command of his bread and butter pitch, you need to pull him sooner rather than later. In Wilson’s defense, after Inge’s HR, the next three hits were lucky, seeing eye shots that could have just as easily been outs.
Also, we should probably go back to the 4th and 5th innings, when we had a leadoff 2B by Cruz in the 4th and then guys at 2nd and 3rd in the 5th and failed to score each inning. This offense is not good with Hamilton and Davis struggling…like bottom-of-the-league, homerun-dependent, Mariners-esque not good. Hamilton, at least yesterday, took two weak swings at outside breaking balls early in the count yesterday and grounded out both times. Until he starts laying off those pitches, he will simply be a power hitter and not a great hitter. Davis has simply been horrible. I agree that you have to let a hitter work out of a slump, but one day off is not going to kill him. He admits that he is a better hitter at night, so why not let a hot bat like Byrd take his place in yesterday’s lineup and let Davis get a fresh start in a night game at home.
I’ll tell you why…Ron Washington is not a smart man. He may have social intelligence, but that’s about it. And the fact that Daniels is in a ride or die position with him is discouraging.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the #7 hitter
that was clearly the problem…
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by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did I imply
that the sole reason the rangers lost yesterday was that they played Chris Davis? I know you aren’t too keen on me right now, but try reading my actual comments before replying.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read it
and a diatribe that ends with “washington is not a smart man” because he didn’t sub in byrd for davis is just silly and deserves to be ridiculed.
Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder
by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that may have been a little harsh
but Washington has made many mistakes, and made a few in yesterday’s game, that should (and has) lead to questions about his in game management. He’s like Wade Phillips…great coach, poor manager. Nothing wrong with that. He’s just miscast, but we are paying a price for that.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
there should have been a pinch-hitter in the 9th, whether it should have been AJ or Byrd or both would have been fine with me. RW is a 3B coach, nothing more.
"Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the RANGERS, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, your out, At the old ball game."
by NothinG on Apr 13, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would have
pinch-hit a right handed hitter for Murphy against a RHP?
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Apr 13, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely
Rodney’s fastball tails away from the lefties. and the “arm-swinger” murphy has yet to get a hit. Yeah, you can say I would place a better hitter in that position. Lefty vs Righty – Blah. Give me the better hitter every time without regard to lefty righty matchup.
"Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the RANGERS, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, your out, At the old ball game."
by NothinG on Apr 13, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man I really like old Wash as a person, and it seems like the players do to, but geez....
Some of the stuff he does and says, you have to wonder whether this is the right position for the guy.
I wonder if even a .500 April will be enough to make a coaching change?
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 13, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and CJ......bone spurs my ass.
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 13, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had surgery last year
If he didn’t really have bone spurs in his elbow, the medical staff did quite a job covering up for him.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that he most likely had bone spurs, but I don't think that was his problem.
He’s never been consistent, his pitch selection has always been suspect, and his attitude sucks.
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 13, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you don't think bone spurs would hinder pitching performance?
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Wait...that's not Jason Jennings. Those are C.J. Wilson's thighs..."
by baseballismyboyfriend on Apr 13, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Count me in the camp that is suspicious of these 'bone spurs'
by oc on Apr 13, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C.J. Wilson is an intelligent guy. Not telling anybody about a possibly serious injury doesn't fit into his m.o.
by oc on Apr 13, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
…are you saying that it was a wide-ranging conspiracy? From the front office to manager to player to doctor to hospital?
by FuturePants on Apr 13, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure they affected his performance some
but his command sucked before he had bone spurs and it sucks now that he has had them removed. Until he learns to command his fastball, he will continue to suck.
by uthornfan on Apr 13, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the wonderful world of Wash Ball....
where good portions of threads are donated to asking WTF did he do that for?
Go back and look through last years GDT threads, it happened a LOT.
I totally agree about the NOT assigning roles concept, Frankie should of been in there putting that fire out, Papelbon does it, but of course Francona is much smarter than Wash.
Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.
by BigGuns on Apr 13, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most managers do it
Its not good that Wash does, but I don’t really believe that bringing someone else in will solve that problem.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 13, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do ..
If the guy you bring in clearly does not have it, why not bring in someone who most likely will be lights out to put out the fire. What we do know is what he did yesterday failed miserably..
Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.
by BigGuns on Apr 13, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went back and looked at CJ's pitch-by-pitch yesterday
8 of his 10 pitches were fastballs. 4 balls, 3 in play, no out, 1 called strike.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
8 of his 1st 10**, I mean
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood is not the perfect person to lead the staff.
If the Rangers can trade Millwood at the ASB, even if they are in contention, that’s the right move, IMO. This year’s draft isn’t looking all that spiffy. I think the best play for maintaining farm system dominance is to get some prospects for Millwood while you can (assuming he has an All-Star caliber first half) so that the farm system is that much deeper when the time comes next offseason to make the big trade for a young (i.e., controllable) #1.
Besides Madrigal being sent down, is the leash on Benson as short as one more start?
If Benson gets bombed in his next outing, I don’t see why the Rangers would want him around. He’s supposed to be in there to provide some assurance that a proven player will keep things from blowing up in April. If he isn’t doing that, shouldn’t Feldman or someone else (I know we’re all thinking Holland) be in Benson’s place?
JD: Adamant about 78 wins in 2009. Go Rangers!
by rooster on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Millwood is ideal if you want to instill in them the “pitch well when a contract is on the line” mantra. No young pitcher should be listening to a man who has wasted so much talent throughout his career.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love seeing Millwood pitch well
If he’s pitching like this consistently all year, the worst case scenario is that we’re behind in the standings and trade him for a huge haul from a team like the Mets or Dodgers
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"huge"
nobody is going to give up a ton for 2 months of millwood. I would think we’d be lucky to get a B prospect to headline – maybe some relief pitching prospects or something.
Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder
by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he's pitching well
and hitting his innings, he’s more than a 2 month player. That team option has value.
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
forgot about the option
still. i guess when you say huge, I think tex trade – and we aren’t getting that. I would guess we get something a bit better than the gagne trade (in terms of potential value).
Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder
by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps
but you look at what Santana and Harden brought it less than overwhelming prospects and those are much better pitchers than Millwood. Peavy is most likely going to be on the market and would require a similar + better package. We need a veteran next year, and you don’t trade MIllwood if doesn’t get you somebody who is major league ready. Our minor leagues are stocked, we don’t need any more low minor league talent.
"Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the RANGERS, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, your out, At the old ball game."
by NothinG on Apr 13, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our minor leagues are stocked, we don’t need any more low minor league talent.
You always look to improve, no matter how good your farm system is. Adding more and more to the minors is a good idea just for the attrition rates of minor league players.
by Andy Seiler on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference between Peavy and Santana
Those teams made the complete idiotic decision to force themselves back into a corner to make a deal. The Twins had to trade Santana, and he’d only accept a deal to the Mets. Geez, that’s going to get you a big return. Padres “We have to deal Peavy, he’ll only accept a deal to 3 teams, and we demand a major league ready 3b” That’s great negotiating right there.
With Millwood, the Rangers could opt to keep him or trade him. There is no real pressure. He has a limited no trade, but I imagine he’d be happy to go to a contender. Two months of CC Sabathia, yes a much better pitcher, got Matt LaPorta. I think 8 months of Millwood (if he continues being effective), is worth something comparable.
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it depends
on how well he is pitching, and whether it comes off as a legit trade or a salary dump. But I think you’re right, in today’s financial situation, we probably won’t get what we would have in previous years, no matter how well he pitches. People will be shocked and saddened by what the Tigers get for Miguel Cabrera this summer, because the most valuable part of the return will be that the other team takes on Willis’ contract.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the most I've seen this place call Wilson out.
by oc on Apr 13, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like in other situations...
…there has been a chance to take up for him.
But here, it’s pretty clear that the blame lies with BGL/RGL and Wash.
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by ghtd36 on Apr 13, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
his little comment about FX2 being closer impressed many folks. He is definitely at the stage that he needs to shut up and let his arm do the talking.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
by DJCahill on Apr 13, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well yeah now that I agree with
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 13, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me another week
and I may change my opinions…
but it’s early. it’d be nice if he turns the corner and starts a dominant string of appearances
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Apr 13, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Guillen
Is a switch hitter so that did not matter but I am right tere with you that Frankie should have been out there when it really mattered. I thought someone else should have started the inning i.e. Feldman, CJ did not need to be out there in a 4 run game and pitching back to back days this early.
by sftxfan on Apr 13, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we had our most success last year when Frankie was pitching really well and wasn't our closer
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sucks that we dont' ahve 2 good arms in the bullpen
i have some faith in madrigal.
Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder
by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
This is one of the most interesting front page photos you’ve used.
by brettgardner on Apr 13, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he's obviously contemplating his next tweet
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 13, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haven't seen any Tweets from him since the loss.
by FuturePants on Apr 13, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EG must have gotten under his skin
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 13, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
well it makes as much sense to blame the reporter as it does to blame a breakfast burrito post by CJ.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 13, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah I like EG
I’m just making the point that twitter posts are irrelevant. I’ve decided this is gonna be my “thing.” Josey has payroll, clark bitches about the bullpen like no other, steal home thinks we need ALL PITCHERS ALL THE TIME — me, I think twitter/facebook/myspace posts are irrelevant to a guy’s performance on the mound.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 13, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw one last night
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Wait...that's not Jason Jennings. Those are C.J. Wilson's thighs..."
by baseballismyboyfriend on Apr 13, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's contemplating
which would be cooler: run his hand slyly through his jacked up hair to fix it, or leave it a mess and show people how much he doesn’t care. And which of those options would make people think better of him.
Whatever he’s thinking of, it probably isn’t the meltdown that just happened.
by bhudson on Apr 13, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness...
He’s probably thinking hard about what happened. Unfortunately, he’s not just thinking “I missed my spots” or “bad day, bad luck”, or anythink basebally like that. He’s running over some sort on Ninja strategy and overthinking every little pitch.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Apr 13, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's wise to diss Ninjas like that
For example, there are 4 of them in this post.
by Telegraph on Apr 13, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dame they're good...
I only see thre……… ackkk!!!!
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Apr 13, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
I didn’t think Wilson pitched that poorly, just wasn’t his day. Why are so many ripping Wilson and giving Andrus a free pass?
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Apr 13, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because we all knew that there would be bumps in the road with Elvis.
CJ has had 3 unimpressive outings now, follow an extremely unimpressive year.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I’m not thrilled with Wilson either and I expect Andrus to make a lot of errors this year as he learns, but I’m not willing to ignore his errors.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it broke CJ's back
that error hurt more than anything Ron Washington or CJ did.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Apr 13, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with you
if CJ had started walking batters. After the error was Polanco’s chopper that went over MY’s head for a double. CJ then Ks Cabrera. I don’t think the error effected CJ. Lack of FB command did.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a pitcher is so mentally fragile that one error brakes his back, he has no business pitching in pressure situations
by uthornfan on Apr 13, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
take what you may from it
I wasn’t insisting that it broke his mental focus…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Apr 13, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
CJ has made 4 appearances this year. In two of those games he did not allow a run to score. And last year he had bone spurs in his elbow.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well by all accounts his 1st appearence he was pretty lucky
got hit pretty hard. I’ve seen him once, he didnt give up any runs, but he didnt look all that great either, and we all know what happened yesterday. He may have had bone spurs as an excuse last year, but his stuff looks very similar once again.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if you are going to
say he was lucky on 1 appearance and criticize him, please acknowledge that he was unlucky yesterday. If Everett doesn’t break his bat he probably ends up with a F9. If Granderson makes better contact he get a G6. CJ’s K of Ordonez then ends the inning with the Rangers up 4-1. Luck is a part of baseball and it works both ways.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does
Problem is he started off the inning with a HR.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right.
because he got behind in the count 2-0. if he had better fastball command and did what these pitchers in this staff under Maddux are SUPPOSED to do, and throw a first-pitch strike, the chance of him grooving a HR friendly pitch later in the at bat decreases greatly.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Apr 13, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that he didn't really tell anyone about
If I recall correctly, he was injured for a while last season without telling anyone, and only after getting lit up in a glorious fashion did he admit it
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last year
=not this year
and he said, IIRC in a tweet, that he felt as good as he had in a few years
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that when I see a 96 mph fastball.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three unimpressive outings?
He looked good on Opening Day and Saturday. Thursday and Sunday were his weak moments.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Wait...that's not Jason Jennings. Those are C.J. Wilson's thighs..."
by baseballismyboyfriend on Apr 13, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, I just got back on Facebook.
Saw the No Pudge photo you tagged me on.
I don’t know if I’ve laughed that hard in a month.
Seeking a new signature...
by ghtd36 on Apr 13, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh heh
It was a fun night :-) A fun trip, really. Too bad I didn’t get to meet more LSBers. Rodney, Lisa, Rachel and Ben were awesome though. Hopefully I’ll be back this summer.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Wait...that's not Jason Jennings. Those are C.J. Wilson's thighs..."
by baseballismyboyfriend on Apr 13, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that box
Has been granted a place of honor on my kitchen counter.
There’s no crying in baseball but pedicures are fine! --- BigGuns
by RachelB on Apr 13, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome...
I wondered what you’d done with it :)
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Wait...that's not Jason Jennings. Those are C.J. Wilson's thighs..."
by baseballismyboyfriend on Apr 13, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See
He looked good on MLB gameday on opening day, I wasn’t watching, but by all accounts he was hit pretty hard and got pretty lucky.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Apr 13, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
Wilson brings some of this on himself with overthinking, too many pitches. He gets in his own way and his problems are very fixable. Plus, ANY player who blows a game to that incredible degree deserves being jester for a day here. Overreacting? Perhaps, but certainly not baffling.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Apr 13, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson question
CJ has two more arb years left with the Rangers. With his inconsistency and the young pitchers coming up, I don’t see the Rangers offering him an extension. Should the Rangers trade him this summer? It would save them ~$2M on next year’s payroll. He is making $1.85M this year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no
he is still one of the few quality arms in our bullpen. he just tinkers too much, and needs to throw his best stuff. a lefty reliever that has CJ’s skillset is still highly sought after and should not be thought of lightly. We just need to build a better staff around him, so we don’t only depend on CJ and FX2 or just FX2 now
"Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the RANGERS, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, your out, At the old ball game."
by NothinG on Apr 13, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't do any good to trade him
He has very little value right now. No reason to trade a guy who won’t net you any return yet has the potential for being valuable in the future.
Now, if he keeps these sorts of head-case outings to a minimum and puts up good middle relief numbers, then yeah, maybe you do consider dealing him. I doubt you’d ever get a big piece for him, but if you included him as an add-on to another deal, a la Mahay in the Teixeira deal. Teams at the deadline may pay a lot for a good SP like Millwood and a good LOOGY like Wilson.
Definitely don’t just give up on him. Unlike several members of our bullpen (e.g., Rupe), we’ve seen Wilson be very effective before. If he were to regain that, he could be valuable.
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish there was a Minor League package on cable. I'd spend more time watching these guys.
From InsideCorner
Oklahoma City
Neftali Feliz: 4 innings, no runs, 4 K’s
Doug Mathis: 6 innings, two runs, 4 K’s
Lizard: 7 innings, one run, 3 K’s
TOTAL: 1.59 ERA, 5.82 K/9
Frisco
Kasey Kiker: 5 innings, no runs, 5 K’s
Omar Poveda: 2 innings, three runs, 0 K’s
TOTAL: 3.86 ERA, 6.43 K/9
Bakersfield
Blake Beavan: 6 innings, one run, 6 K’s
Michael Main: 4.2 innings, three runs, 6 K’s
Tim Murphy: 3.1 innings, five runs, 3 K’s
Mike Kirkman: 7 innings, no runs, 8 K’s
TOTAL: 3.86 ERA; 9.86 K/9
Hickory
Martin Perez: 4 innings, no runs, 6 K’s
Wilfredo Boscan: 4.2 innings, one run, 3 K’s
Jake Brigham: 5.1 innings, no runs, 4 K’s
Carlos Pimentel: 6 innings, two runs, 6 K’s
TOTAL: 1.35 ERA; 8.55 K/9
SYSTEM TOTAL: 2.49 ERA, 8.03 K/9
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 13, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is the best idea I've heard all morning.
I would watch minor league games all day long!
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Apr 13, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our hope is that we can watch these guys
help turn around the Rangers in the long-term.
"Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the RANGERS, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, your out, At the old ball game."
by NothinG on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy shit all 4 of those starters combined ..
only gave up one run with a combined 21 strike outs in 19 innings, VERY impressive.
Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.
by BigGuns on Apr 13, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BBs
MJH nees to list the BBs also.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSB's reaction.
Seeking a new signature...
by ghtd36 on Apr 13, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
yep
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 13, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes it is
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTH is that from??
I gotta see that in context.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Apr 13, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the video?
I think that’s the jizz in my pants SNL digital short.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 13, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
Now off to YouTube…. well, at work – not so much….
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Apr 13, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here it is
Not suitable for work, but hella funny.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Wait...that's not Jason Jennings. Those are C.J. Wilson's thighs..."
by baseballismyboyfriend on Apr 13, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, hilarious
one should also check out I’m on a boat
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 13, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I'm kinda rubbed the wrong way (no pun intended)
by the JIMP clip – just kinda freaks me out. but “I’m on a boat” is pretty amazing
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Apr 13, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get "I'm on a boat" at all. Didn't make me laugh.
However, Like A Boss was pretty funny.
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by Maximilian on Apr 13, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, to me
Like A Boss is the least funny thing Samburg et al have done to date… and that includes Laser Cats…
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Apr 13, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont find that funny at all
was good at first, but then just went downhill
on a boat + JIMP is much funnier imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with all of AJM's points on Wash,
but you can’t put it all on Wash and CJ. You’ve also got the Andrus error, which looked like a distraction mistake to me, and 2 balls that Young didn’t get to, which might have been uncatchable, or might have been a result of MY not being acclimated to 3rd base, or might have been a result of MY having no range and slow reactions and the closer proximity of 3rd making those problems worse. I blame Wash more, but it was a full team melt-down.
by jcAustin on Apr 13, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The first Young play
I blame on Young’s positioning. He was on the grass with guys on 1st and 2nd. Maybe that was a double play defense, but when up by 3 he probably should have been in a no doubles, down the line and deep position. Hard to blame Young if he was positioned by the dugout.
The second play was something only a gold glover like Beltre or Chavez could make. And even then, it wouldn’t be a sure thing. That ball was scorched down the line.
Andrus’s error was bad and didn’t help, but even if he gets the out there, more runs score. Wash looked like he was leaving him in until they tied the game for some reason.
by JBImaknee on Apr 13, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't see any blame for Young
one ball simply bounced way over his head. the other one was absolutely smashed. my initial reaction was that he could have gotten it. on the replay, no way.
by SteveP on Apr 13, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Polanco had a bunt
single in the 1st because MY was playing back. I have no problem with MY’s play at 3B so far this season. It is hard to tell by watching the game on TV just how hard some ball are hit.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Holland starts tonight for the Red Hawks a 6 pm CST
You can listen to that game here
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 13, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
right there with you
on using Mad in the 8th. I don’t get the love affair with this guy. How do you lose that game with you best reliever on the bench?
by SteveP on Apr 13, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan of Mad
and I’m pretty sure he’ll be sent down as soon as Eyre or Nippert are ready.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Apr 13, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would of thought he learned after that Yankee game ordeal last year..
and also with AJM on this one. Why do you have him come in and intent. walk the first batter. That was for CJ to do not to throw the new pitchers rhythmn off at the get go. He has enough of a problem finding the plate as it is. It’s knowing details like this which are no great revealation that make a good manager.
You’d think Jackie Moore would elbow Wash in the ribs once in a while and give him a hint. I mean the guy was born when Babe Ruth was still alive, what does he do on the bench doze off?
Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.
by BigGuns on Apr 13, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madrigal wasn't such
bad pitcher last year. He didn’t pitch in many high leverage situations but, he did a decent job. RW could be trying to find a role for him in the bullpen. The Rangers need a late inning RH relief pitcher. My problem with him is that he doesn’t strike out enough batters to be a late inning pitcher.
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by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here is a question
but is there ANY reason we shouldnt be trying to get juan morillo from the rockies?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
his 2008 numbers are a good reason to say no...
by Goyogringo on Apr 13, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy throws probably harder than anyone in baseball
yes, its straight.
yes, he needs work
ut he has the talent, and we have the hole in our pen
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see my last answer
by Goyogringo on Apr 13, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who would you rather them put in the pen?
strop?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the guys we have aren't cutting it...
you have to hope Nippert can offer something upon a return. mostly, I want to see Diamond have a chance to fail in the pen rather than some of these other guys. Strop would be fun to see, but not sure if he’s ready. Either way, if we’re going to have a .500 season with the vets in our pen sucking the life out of this team, I’d rather move on with the youngsters and struggle with them.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Apr 13, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MadDog's IBB
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a manager bring in a new pitcher to and have him intentionally walk the first batter. If a pitcher gets himself into trouble by putting a runner on 2nd then he pays the price (in ERA, stats, etc for the situation) and he is the one who then fills first base with a runner to set up the DP. This also gives the new pitcher a little more time to warm up in the pen.
I think this Is this another case of Wash protecting the vets at the expense of the rookies. He doesn’t want CJ’s ERA to take any more of a hit than it already has because he knows he is a head case. Its also possible that he doesn’t care as much about MadDog because they’ve already decided he’s going to be optioned.
by NorCalRangersFan on Apr 13, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now who's overthinking it??
Yeah, Wash was actually deciding whose ledger to put the IBB on WITH THE ASSUMPTION HE’S SCORING.
That aside, I can NEVER recall seeing a manager have the new picture give the IBB. I suspect someone has done it before, but I also suspect someone has batted a pitcher leadoff before. It’s still a stupid move.
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by bking on Apr 13, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that had anything to do with it
I think it is just proof that Washington doesn’t understand baseball enough to be a manager.
by uthornfan on Apr 13, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 13, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even IBBs count as walks charged to the pitcher
by NorCalRangersFan on Apr 13, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops. Supposed to be a reply to bking
by NorCalRangersFan on Apr 13, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but you said he was concerned about a hit to CJ's ERA
which can only happen if the walk scores, right?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Apr 13, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said "ERA, stats, etc"
But you are right. I shouldn’t have said ERA. I doubt Wash feels so defeated already, or has so little confidence in Mad Dog, that he just assumed the runner on first would score.
by NorCalRangersFan on Apr 13, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Adam...
I agree with everything you said, but Guillen as we all know is a switch hitter. Even if we brought Frankie in he would have just batted left handed so the argument that having CJ face him was stupid doesnt really make sense. I haven’t seen his splits but unless he’s a much worse hitter right handed (which may be the case) I’d say its a toss up between Frankie and CJ to get him out.
by texrangers31 on Apr 13, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Adam was worried about L-R matchups...
He wanted his best bullpen arm out there for the game-deciding AB.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Apr 13, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Managers who use bullpens optimally seem to be a maddening rarity.
It’s probably the most readily apparent way to evaluate how good a job they do.
It’s insane, though. No one has ever presented a reason you shouldn’t use your best reliever in the most important situation, and yet very few teams do it.
by philkid3 on Apr 13, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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