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Being a Ranger fan is like being in the movie "Groundhog Day."

 

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F Kinsler.

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Apr 13, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

can't believe he didn't take 3rd.

"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...

by ivysafety39 on Apr 13, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Baseball 101, no excuse

by BuckyB on Apr 13, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

he was gettign ready to tag. but he broke at a really weird time – given that he was looking to tag already. would have done him good to see the ball drop

Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder

by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I can’t blame him too much for that, myself. Markakis made a one-in-a-million play on that ball.

Coach Washington inspires me to be an hero.

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

he completed misplayed it from

the beginning. He immediately went back to tag instead of going halfway – then ran when he guessed it wasn’t going to be caught. Absolutely inexcusable that he wasn’t at third after that play.

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

well running to tag isn't completely misplaying it

just really conservative, which i would have been ok with

Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder

by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

well I don't think

it’s right to immediately tag from second on a deep ball to RF. But, you’re definitely right about being conservative. To my mind, there were 4 possible outcomes(excluding Kinsler being thrown out at the plate if the ball wasn’t caught – assuming Anderson wouldn’t have sent him Kinsler home if it would have been close). 1. Kinsler scores on a Young double, 2. Kinsler on 3rd, Young doubles. Kinsler tags to 3rd after the ball is caught, 1 out. 4. Kinsler on 2nd, 1 out. We got the worst outcome.

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Apr 13, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

and

we’re the home team and we have the 3-4 hitters coming up. we can play for the tie and be pretty sure that hamilton can get the sac fly.

Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder

by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

except for yesterday

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

terrible baserunning

you are going to score on that ball no matter what. You tag up, if it bounces off the wall, you still score. If it leaves the yard, you score. If he makes a great play, you are on 3rd and Hamilton’s fly out to center ties the game. Kinsler is not a good baserunner. He is a good base stealer, but a bad baserunner. I seem to rememeber him making a similar mistake last year but making up for it by stealing 3rd against Rivera.

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 14, 2009 6:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beau Vaughan

i am actually going to deviate from my typical bitch/snark routine and ask about this beau jones guy we got for littleton. he has looked pretty great in AAA so far, racking up Ks. he really looked like a solid pitcher in the Red Sox system, but they slowed his promotions schedule by trying an ill-fated move to the rotation a few years ago, and he never seemed to rebound in his eyes. i would LOVE to see Vaughan turn out to be better than Littleton.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

* their eyes*

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's got a funky delivery

so that’s probably why he’s succeeding right now. I know someone has a video of it

Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here:

link

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Apr 13, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

so i shouldn't get my hopes up?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check out the video

he gets a lefty in it, so maybe. Some pitchers have had success doing weird things

Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 13, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

i just checked it out

pretty weird looking. maybe he’ll carve out a niche. let’s see if his numbers hold up for a while.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

that’s the idea.

Really, this year is all about seeing who’s got a future, and who doesn’t. It’d help if Millwood keeps it up and we get a guy like Sheets midseason so we aren’t 100% dependent on the young guys, but if guys like Nellie and Salty can establish themselves as solid regulars and Andrus can get his growing pains out of the way while Ian and Josh maintain their productivity while the farm system continues to progress, this season would be a success.

Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Last year was and we didn’t do it.

by bhudson on Apr 14, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

this reminded me so much of last year.

Least it’s entertaining I guess. We never really lose in boring games.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Apr 13, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't say it's entertaining

I can handle the bad pitching but not the other crazy shit (defense problems, issues on the basepaths — bush league stuff).

by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

SSDD

I love the fact that we always have shitty fielding (IE- The Nelson Cruz debacle tonight, Andrus yesterday), and we always claw our way back into it. However, we always receive the firm kick to the groin by falling just short and wondering, what if Nelson Cruz didn’t kick the ball around the outfield?

Granted it wasn’t completely the fault of Nellie, lord knows Padilla was hideous, but this staff doesn’t need to be forced to get extra outs, they barely can get the 3 required outs per inning.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

You'd know, RA

Agreed. Thing is Cruz is a great defensive player. Fucked up.

by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what pisses me off even more.

We have decent defenders that don’t play good defense, even those we have a “defensive expert” as a coach.

I would kill to see what a guy like Tony LaRussa would do with our team.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

the really bad mental gaffe was kinsler tonight (at least the only one that mattered).

Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder

by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i still dont understand how RW is supposed to be this amazing defensive coach

and the texas defense is so …not good

if he was able to make hatteburg into a “pickin machine” and chavez gave him one of his GG’s why is the texas defense so bad?

or does that go abck to the fact that he is a good coach/bad manager

…bring in bobby v.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

lack of talent

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 14, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

this game was way better

than any game in the detroit series. we fought back and got some big performances from a number of key guys. once we cut some of the fat off this roster (I’m looking at you, Mad Dog and Rupe) I think we can field a pretty competitive team.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

It was?

I don’t know… bad pitching, poor defense, poor baserunning… the offense obviously exploded, but I really don’t take much optimism away from this one (outside, I suppose, of Davis breaking out of his slump).

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was very pleased

with Frankie as well. and my boy andruw jones justifying my defending him all spring.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm reserving judgment on Jones.

It’s, what, 10 PAs? But maybe he turns into a flippable commodity. Not sure how else he helps this team.

 Francisco looked good, no doubt.

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're not sure how he helps this team?

really? if he keeps hitting like this, he would help any team in baseball.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

In more of a big-picture sense.

I don’t think Jones is a difference-maker in terms of the Rangers’ results this season. If he hits well all season, great, but what real value does that have to a 77-85 club, outside of trade value?

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

trade value is huge.

for a team that’s not going to make the playoffs, what’s the downside? Taking AB’s away from Blalock? That’s not worrying me.

Derek Jeter sucks. How's that for a quote.

by rangerdanger on Apr 14, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you re-read what I wrote

you’ll find that I believe Jones’ value to the Rangers mainly stems from whatever trade value he might have. At the moment, though, his trade value is far from “huge,” and I don’t really see what other value he has for a 2009 team that’s not a sweet-swinging DH away from contention.

I’m not complaining so much as expressing confusion about what (outside of possible trade value) people see in Jones. Hard to see clubs lining up to swap prospects for a guy who’s been playing 30 percent of the time. And especially if the Rangers play him more frequently, he’s obviously not going to keep an OPS of 1.900…

by Snark on Apr 14, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

cut them

and replace them with who

again, NO reason we shouldnt be taking a chance on morillio. even if he doesnt work out, he is EXACTLY the kind of player the rangers should be taking a shot at/on

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh.

My expectations coming in to this season was that we’re about the same as the Orioles: a hair below mediocre with awesome offense, terrible run prevention and better teams ahead.

So a one run game with pitching fail and crazy offense seems right in line with those expectations. I’m certainly not happy, but whatever. I’m already over this because I was already over the awesome display in the first three games.

Boy am I pissed at Kinsler, though.

by philkid3 on Apr 13, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

The Oriole's...

…have a phenomenal outfield defense though. I’m not sure how many aspects of the Rangers’ defense grade out above average right now.

by GhettoBear04 on Apr 13, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah.

I think their fielding is probably better than ours. But I also think our starting pitching will be better than theirs. Or at least I did.

As far as what aspects of our defense grade as above average right now, Kinsler, Cruz, Davis and Andrus have all been above average. Cruz, in fact, led baseball at all positions in the first week by UZR. That’s a small sample, though.

by philkid3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

adam jones

is a beast

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta talk about this double steal business

Stupid thing to do in my opinion. That seemed to be the consensus opinion in the game thread but does anyone disagree?

by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I was waiting

for someone to suggest that Washington was hoping for a caught-stealing to end the game to spare his buy Byrd the embarrassment of the strikeout fail…

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

gutsy call

With CJ unavailable, no confidence in Madrigal and not wanting Frankie to go another inning, RW wanted to win it in the 9th.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This makes sense to me

There wasn’t anyone trust-worthy to bring in the top of the 10th so he made the move for the win. I guess it’s semi-understandable when you look at it that way.

by hiafex on Apr 14, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

The loss hurt

But it was good to see Crush get out of his slump.

Hopefully we won’t have to hear any more whining whiny bags talking about sending him down to AAA

She say she are the manager.

by rockin_rangers on Apr 13, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

True

If AJ keeps hitting it’s going to be important for Crush to keep hitting.

Coach Washington inspires me to be an hero.

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on Apr 13, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

jones isn't taking davis' AB's

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by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland didn't look good either, so it's FAIL FAIL tonight...

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

he looked okay

he just had some control problems early. it was a lot like his first appearance in ST. I have a feeling he will come out and dominate his next start.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did anyone see/hear the game?

Hard to judge a AAA pitching performance from the box score. If they had Holland working on something, for example…

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT

and on a positive note….

Milly is rocking a 0.64 ERA.

She say she are the manager.

by rockin_rangers on Apr 13, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

well jennings and francisco are at 0

Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder

by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

every day eddie, woo!

3.86

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by DShep on Apr 13, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's acceptable.

I haven’t looked because it’s too early, but the team ERA has to be way, way high.

by Black Francis on Apr 13, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

6.0

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by DShep on Apr 13, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It could be worse

The Indians had a 8.82 coming into today. They’re 1-5. We really must’ve hurt ’em bad in the opening series…

Coach Washington inspires me to be an hero.

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on Apr 13, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

its not our 3-4 record and high ERA that bothers me.

its just how we got to it.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Apr 13, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully McCarthy can come out and improve on his first start.

"If you can't get up for this kind of game, Lord have mercy, you might not have a heartbeat"

-Jerome Bettis

by Jason Brynsvold on Apr 13, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

somehow i doubt that happens

i just have a feeling things will get worse this spring before they get better.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you Fangraphed Washington's SEP

(Staying Employed Probability), it’s fallen off a cliff the last couple games…

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha ha ha

“I’ve fallen and I can’t get up”

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

WTF was with Padilla tonight?

He was awful. Fastball was not fast, offspeed stuff was just getting pelted.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions  

4 parts of a team

SP, RP, defense and hitting. Why does it seem like at least one of them goes wrong vitually every game?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Not just wrong, one of them always goes horribly wrong...

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget baserunning.

A major culprit in tonight’s criminal loss.

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think i'm the only one who thought the double steal was a good thing.

The catcher could have thrown it in the outfield then you have a tie game with the winning run on third.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Apr 13, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I like it

Shows RW isn’t feeling pressure and putting his head up his a$$.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

i just saw the replay of it

on espn, i cant believe murphy wasnt out there. bad slide too

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by studcrackers on Apr 13, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

he was out

the ump got screened and looked safe because he didn’t get the tag down until he hit Murphy’s chest, at which point Murphy’s front leg was over the bag but not on it.

by drizzle on Apr 14, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

so what was the

defensive mishap that cruz had tonight? i didnt get to watch the game and only caught the last 3 innings on the radio

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by studcrackers on Apr 13, 2009 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

There were a couple.

A misplayed hit and a poor read and bad break on another. Not a good night in the outfield overall.

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Runner on 1st, base hit, looks up, ball rolls past him, now

runners on 2nd and 3rd 1 out. Next ball is hit to him and he is tenative, could have probably gotten it with a dive but pulled up in front of it. 2 runs in, and then the floodgates just poured in.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

if he dives and misses it...

Roberts get an inside-the-park HR.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is easy for us to sit here

watching the game and criticize plays that we think should have been made. I tend to give the player the benefit of the doubt on such a play. Did he lose it in the lights? Did he pull up because he realized it would be a tough catch and he didn’t want the ball to get behind him if he missed it? Did his earlier error effect him at all?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was pretty obvious

that Cruz got a bad jump on the ball. It’s not the first time this season he’s done so. Nadel made the same comment.

Easy or not, I call it like I see it, and I don’t give the player the “benefit of the doubt” when I’m not in much doubt. If you disagree, that’s certainly your call, but I’m not going to stifle my criticism because you think fans should be more generous in their observations and comments.

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said that "I"

tend to give them the benefit of doubt on such plays. Same with Elvis yesterday. Now Ian’s mental fart is a different matter. He should have been on 3B. Period.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You started with "us" and "we."

I wasn’t sure if you were simply speaking for yourself or implying that I was being unreasonably overcritical and should stop. No offense taken, and none intended.

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

Cruz has been terrible in RF all year so far. I know someone will give me a stat to tell me otherwise, but he has been misreading balls all year. He did it at least twice on opening day. The great running catch in game 2 was a bad read and jump. He was awful last night. He looks like a pig on skates out there to me.

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 14, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

he bobbled a

ball which allowed runner to advance an extra base. That has no effect on the outcome. He also let a LD fall in front of him. It is questionable if he could have caught it.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bobble cost them 1st and 2nd with 1 out, versus 2nd and 3rd.

Granted the way Vinny was throwing, there probably wasn’t a double play grounder happening anyway.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

x

I had a bigger problem with the bobble than I did the pulling up to field the liner on a bounce.

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, just because I find this intersting

Our boy EV tonight…

In a W…5IP 7H, 6ER, 4BB, 4SO, and 2HR…

He now stands at

9 1/3 IP, 13H, 11ER, 8BB, 8SO and 3 HR

Regression to the mean?

by laxtonto on Apr 13, 2009 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Id still bet he ends up... under 4.2 at least.

quality pitcher. but yes, he’s no cy young with his control as is.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Apr 13, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

and volquez for hamilton is a huge win long term for the rangers imho

both from hicks viewpoitn and from a win-loss viewpoint

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen either of his starts

but my guess would be that everyone’s aware that his primary weakness is his control, and making him throw strikes is the best way to beat him. Without his control, he’s a middle-of-the-rotation guy.

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well we got the 3 game win streak and 4 game loss streak out of the way early

took a while last time.

can we now go right to the june-july win 2 of 3 now? 2 left here..

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by DShep on Apr 13, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

baltimore is not a good team

it will be embarassing if we can’t win 2 of 3.

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by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

why dont you think

they’re good. i bet they could contend in just about every division in baseball outside the al east

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by studcrackers on Apr 13, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are better than us

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not positive they're better.

But I’m definitely open to the posibility. As I said above, I expected them to be about the same as us this year.

by philkid3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you add Weiters

to that team, I think they’re probably better.

Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I would say my expectations were probably in the range of being a little worse in the first half of the season and a little better in the second half, in part because of Wieters.

by philkid3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you add Weiters,

They could serve a full menu.

Badoomskee!

Derek Jeter sucks. How's that for a quote.

by rangerdanger on Apr 14, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

their pitching is nearly as a bad as ours

they are ok. if we get swept, thats unacceptable and I may have to start skipping the pitching half innings early

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by DShep on Apr 13, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good to know I'm not the only one who doesn't mind taking a bathroom break

when the pitchin’ starts.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I was four or five

and saw The Empire Strikes Back in the theater, the end scenes that cut back and forth between Darth Vader and Luke (with the telepathic shit going down between them) terrified me. I wound up hiding under my seat.

I’m nearing the same level of terror whenever the Rangers are in the field.

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the O's are better than the Rangers this season.

It will be disappointing if Texas loses the series, but I won’t be surprised. I think they win tomorrow with McCarthy and Simon starting, and lose badly in the Hendrickson-Benson showdown.

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grudge Match, Benson vs. the O's.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 13, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions  

so would it hurt neffy and holland if we just brought them up now and let them start?

I’m not saying they would be great but at least it’d be interesting to watch.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Apr 13, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Saw Holland tonight

and you wouldn’t have thought what I saw was interesting against MLB hitting

by Sherman McCoy on Apr 13, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

make a fanpost about the game

id love to see some first hand views! (and im sure others were there)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Positives

Francisco looks great.

I’ve been impressed with Cruz’s and Jones’ plate discipline.

It was great to see Kinsler go the opposite way with that late inning double.

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Apr 13, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

interesting scenario

If Benson lays an egg on Tuesday and they decide to swap Jennings and Benson, who do you call up to have a fresh bullpen arm? I am assuming they would option Madrigal.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 11:14 PM CDT reply actions  

b mac is tomorrow.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Apr 13, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops

Wed.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

from Kinsler

“I should be on third base,” Kinsler said. “It was a great play, but I need to be on third regardless of if he catches it or not.”

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

He's right.

At least he’s copping to it.

by Snark on Apr 13, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinsler has always taken blame where it's deserved

I bet he is the HARSHEST critic of his own performance.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Wait...that's not Jason Jennings. Those are C.J. Wilson's thighs..."

by The Best Micah on Apr 13, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i didn’t expect anything less

Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder

by ab03 on Apr 13, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was stupid, Ian.

But you’re also arguably the best part of this team so far and what good you’ve done far outweighs that one play, so I’ll get over it.

by philkid3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Willie Eyre

pitched a scoreless AAA inning today.

Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

it wasn't the cleanest inning

a walk and a hit over 20 pitches. i was hoping to see better. but i guess that’s 3 Ks through 1.2 IP so far. we really need a guy who can come in and get a K when we need it.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

it wasn’t clean by any stretch of the imagination, but I give him a little credit since MiLB umps tend to be even worse than their MLB counterparts and he was getting strikes swinging with his pitches.

Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought it was sweet

when hickory blew a late lead to make their parent org feel a little better.

see, it happens to everyone.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Frisco

also had the winning run on second /w no outs and couldn’t get him in. Failure permeates the entire organization today.

Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

someone said something

after our win on Thursday, because failure has permeated this whole org since then.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh

there is almost no reason to not score when you have a runner on 2nd, no outs

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kenny Gomez

allowed 7 hits, 3 BBs, hit a batter, threw 2 WPs, and allowed a HR to Buster Posey, and still managed to allow only 1 ER (2 R total) against what has to be one of the best lineups in the minors.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 11:27 PM CDT reply actions  

i picked him as my breakout guy :)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're only two games out with 154 games to go

But the past couple of days has made it seem like we’re fifteen games out with one game to play.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Apr 13, 2009 11:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Looks like Josey is the smartest guy on this blog!!!

Again!

I'm just killing time until I'm reincarnated.

by Clueless on Apr 13, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions  

the royals look pretty good so far

and Greinke has looked like a Cy Young candidate. and now dallas braden is about to beat jon lester. i need to hunt down those BTB guys i gave so much shit to because it looks like they may have been right. i still think we have more talent than teams like the a’s and royals, but we aren’t as smart.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 13, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

SSS

Relax.

Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 13, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greinke started off like gangbusters last April too.

Fell apart during May/June/July before putting it together the last couple of months.

Dallas Braden isn’t very good.

by LiamP on Apr 13, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

are the a's letting braden throw the screwball again?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh good for him

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 14, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha!

i was right

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently, I'm bad luck for CD

I will no longer profess my love for him. I will be ambivalent during his appearances. It will be a struggle, but it’s for the best. I don’t want him getting optioned, DFAed or sold to Japan like his predecessors.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Wait...that's not Jason Jennings. Those are C.J. Wilson's thighs..."

by The Best Micah on Apr 13, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions  

so you weren't rooting for him tonight?

There’s no crying in baseball but pedicures are fine! --- BigGuns

by RachelB on Apr 13, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

My mind wasn't even on him tonight

When I left for my meetings, he was not in the lineup.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Wait...that's not Jason Jennings. Those are C.J. Wilson's thighs..."

by The Best Micah on Apr 13, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

thinking about it more

this is such a beating. you invest so much into a team just to get hurt over and over again…

i’m just sad…

by Longhorn on Apr 13, 2009 11:40 PM CDT reply actions  

then you must be

normally depressed because the Rangers are playing thier normal type of baseball.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 13, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

my buddy bet me a thousand bucks the rangers were going to go .500

by kumizi on Apr 13, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions  

heh

i just hope that doesnt mean you took them to go over .500 heh

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

win.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Apr 13, 2009 11:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Hang In There

People. At least we didn’t spend $180 million and still need to pitch Nick Swisher tonight!

The Yankees are off to a terrible start.

by 3Bagger on Apr 14, 2009 12:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Not to dogpile on Kinsler

since I love the guy and all, but that mistake is why he and Brendan Morrow are not comparable. There is a certain level of focus that you have to have in those situations to be compared with someone like Morrow on an intangible level.

Also, this has been brought up here, but that double steal was the dumbest thing I think I’ve ever seen.

by Brett Perryman on Apr 14, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Kinsler doesn't turn 27 for two months.

Morrow’s breakout 2005-6 season came at about the same age.

You’re right ~ Kinsler needs to be sharper mentally if he’s going to take it to the next (Morrow-like) level. He’s got the talent and the time to reach that potential; I wonder if he has the mentoring. I’d hope and expect Young is still taking an active role in that regard. Even if Kinsler never gets there, his mental breakdowns are obviously far outweighed by what he brings to the team ~ but if he can turn that corner, he’s a surefire team MVP, and easily one of the most valuable players in baseball.

by Snark on Apr 14, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

BP

its ron washington

ive said i before and i will say it again, hes not the brightest coach/manager…and to expect logical decisions from him is like expecting logical decisions from my college baseball coach.

you throw logic out the window, probably because he had a “gut” feeling the double steal would work…

ugh.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes, groundhog day

(which is an insult to one of the great films of all time)

i will never cease to be amazed that people get their hopes up and think that it is going to be anything different.

from what i have seen, nothing compels me to abandon my feeling that this team will win 75 games.

by sam in so cal on Apr 14, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

Groundhog Day is a top fiver..easy.

by JackDublin on Apr 14, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is overshadowed

by at least 5 other plays in this game. Calling out the double steal as moronic deflects blame from all the fundamental failings which occured before.

If Kinsler tags and takes third, for instance, no need for a double steal. Nellie makes the right read on that ball and fewer runs score. Again, no need for a double steal. Young catches just one out of god knows how many hot shots past third, maybe an inning ends quicker and no need for a double steal.

I lived in New Orleans for a while, and I see parallels with the Saints under Jim Haslett. Those teams were comprised of possibly the most football-stupid athletes in the NFL. I’m beginning to wonder how baseball-smart our players are.

Ron may not be a great manager, but his players are doing him no favors at all, either.

by bhudson on Apr 14, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Of course

the Root cause was Padilla melting down. When your starter gets worked like that, you should expect to lose.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 14, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

im sorry

but some of that blame lays on the coach

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahah

funniest, yet most true, Rangers quote ever.

by JackDublin on Apr 14, 2009 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Phases

Last year we had a few guys get their feet wet in Davis, Ramirez. Teagarden, Arias, Cruz (the new cruz that is) and Salty. Now this is the year that these guys need to start producing a bit. I dont have any doubt that Cruz, Salty, and Davis will be quality hitters this year. Ideally, Borbon will break in this year and take the CF job so we can push Hamilton over. Hopefully Smoak will be ready to push Davis to DH next year and then the offense will be set. However, the offense on this team is never the problem.

That is why this season is so important for the Rangers organization as a whole. This is the year the first wave of pitching really hits. Holland and Feliz will get their feet wet ideally. Hopefully one of Diamond and Moscoso will stake a claim in the bullpen. The thing that scares me is that this is the phase the Rangers always stall at. Breaking in young pitching. It is just the same story every year. There is a lot riding on the young pitchers because as presently constituted the pitching staff just isnt cutting it (newsflash i know).

by Michael Cave on Apr 14, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Same ol story...

……score 9 runs and get beat. Will we ever have a formidable pitching staff??? I hope Holland can string together 3 or 4 dominant outtings. I’d be in favor of bringing him up and throwing him in the mix.

by kwood on Apr 14, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Following up

on the comments regarding the baseball intelligence of the Range players, I wonder if the possible lack of baseball intelligence or adaptability is the reason that Wash does not get across his defensive teaching here but was successful several times with the A’s. Do our guys not listen or not want to be told? Its certainly not a possibility that many on this forum consider, with the easy blame going to Wash. I am not a Wash apologist. But, when there is a general theme going thru the blogs that the lack of physical execution by the Rangers is solely caused by Wash, it seems that these opinions are really subjective not objective.
I’m a big supporter of JD, but, if most on this blog worked as hard to justify Wash’s actions as they do JD’s actions, then the tone of this whole thread would be different.

by mcgee48c on Apr 14, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

The old saying is

its easier to replace a manager than it is the whole team. If Wash isn’t getting the message out, its going to be his problem.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 14, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is this an old saw

like clutch hittling, expanding the strike zone in the later innings to drive in runs, 150 pitches in a start, good face, good in the club house, etc that nearly everyone on LSB mocks and/or disagrees with, or is this one of the "good" old sayings?

by mcgee48c on Apr 14, 2009 11:17 AM

by mcgee48c on Apr 14, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

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