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WSJ Says Tom Hicks "Could Eventually" Lose Control of Texas Rangers, Dallas Stars

From the Dallas Observer's Unfair Park:

 

At some point, no doubt, we'll get an official statement. Till then, well, here's what the Wall Street Journal (subscription-only, sorry) has to add to the story of Tom Hicks's refusal to pay off Hicks Sports Group's debt:

Creditors to Texas financier Tom Hicks's Hicks Sports Group have declared the company in default, a measure that could eventually dislodge the Texas Rangers baseball club and Dallas Stars hockey franchise from his control.

To which The New York Times adds, for those without Journal access: "The Rangers baseball team and the Stars hockey team are now unable to pay both their operating expenses and their debt service, the newspaper said."

 

 

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Hicks losing the team doesn't sadden me at all

but having the franchise’s money status up in the air to this degree is scary…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i wonder how it works

if an owner goes bankrupt in the middle of a season — does MLB back the team up and pay the expenses?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 14, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They'll look for a buyer

and if they can’t find one, they could drop the team… Can’t imagine it would come to that, though…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

someone would buy it. MLB franchises are too valuable and if they drop the Rangers they’d have to drop someone else to balance it out….

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 14, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are they

I think MLB and NHL franchises are fast becoming money losers unless you’re in a special market.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 14, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

Well idk about the NHL but as far as baseball. Most owners who seem to claim to be losing money just aren’t attributing all the revenue they bring in to the team, for example when the marlins owned claimed to have lost 13 million in 97(98?) he had a profit of 34 million, he just didn’t attribute revenue from the stadium deals to the Marlins. Obviously the market does affect it, like when the A’s/Rays say their strapped for cash they actually are strapped for cash, but owning an MLB team definitely can be lucrative. Especially since with the sports teams comes the archaic market rights which teams use now to build local networks.

Obviously it also depends on how committed the owner is to winning though, since many teams cant support 100 million+ payrolls which is why teams like the A’s and Rays get into trouble when they have to build teams that compete with teams that have unlimited resources. If

by Gina on Apr 14, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just giving a scenario

stop stalking me… it’s starting to creep me out

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm?

I think you have an excessive opinion of your prominence here. I have no clue who you are.

by brettgardner on Apr 14, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep up with that line

Hope you’re having fun…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x

This really made me laugh:

I think you have an excessive opinion of your prominence here. I have no clue who you are.

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's funny

cuz its true

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 14, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm so glad you and brett are playing well together

even if it is at my expense…

Good times, man… good times…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Not trying to make fun of you, WhipSmart, I just thought it was a funny way to put that.

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was, actually

it’s just a tired routine from a few old friends…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I woud imagine that MLB

has funds and a contingency plan to take over a team. They woudn’t want it to go into bankruptcy for PR reasons and because they don’t want outsiders seeing a teams “books”.

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Apr 14, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure MLB would back the team for a while until a buyer can be found

In fact, MLB made a hell of a lot of money on the Expos/Nats deal. MLB has the funds to wait out the economic climate until until things turn around and/or a buyer shows up. These teams don’t lose money regardless what the owners claim.

Hicks has made his fortune by leveraging against his assets to raise capital. He’s sort of like the couple that continuously refinances their mortgage to get more liquid capital. Now that things have turned south Hicks, like the homeowners, are up a crick.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Apr 14, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I wonder if David McDavid would be interested in buying the team outright instead of just being an investor….

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 14, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is who I though of

When this story broke a few weeks ago.

Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage

by boomer1 on Apr 14, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

There’s a name I remember from my elementary school TV days!

by philkid3 on Apr 14, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I remember about David McDavid

was WideTrack or whatever the hell the name of that Great Dane was that barked at the end of every commercial

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*"David, McDaaaaavid"*

Yeah, I can’t hear that name without singing it

Derek Jeter sucks. How's that for a quote.

by rangerdanger on Apr 14, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I preferred

the “West-waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Ford” commercials with that insanely low bass note, like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 14, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a great line

A great line I say.

"like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -Tball

by rangerdanger on Apr 14, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what, no love for

Trophy Trophy Trophy Nissan!?

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only the Herschel Walker version

:)

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by ortonius on Apr 14, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My name is Rhonda, and I'm fond-a Honda

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

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by Brian Thomas on Apr 15, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Nationals?

Didn’t the league run the Nationals for a while? Boy would that be fun…

"LSB: We’re all-scaploading, all the time." -AJM

by BAC on Apr 14, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So, you're sayin' there's a chance?

The end of our long local nightmare could be in sight. After the last four games, this is good news.

"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo

by kentbenfer on Apr 14, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

um, no.

I’m pretty sure default and forced sale by the league would be bad.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Apr 14, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I’m pretty sure things would kind of suck for quite a while if it came to that.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 14, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

If the circumstances surrounding the Tribune’s bankruptcy and the Court willing to somehow remove the Cubs from those proceedings are any indication, I believe that sort of an outcome is a ways off.

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time

Yep, anything that happens will likely not happen until after the season is over.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 14, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

What I mean is that some kind of really bloody, forced sale situation doesn’t seem likely unless things get WAY extreme. There is a track record of the league and the Courts giving baseball a bigtime break.

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Whenever you deal with a bankruptcy/foreclosure of an asset this big, it’s a pretty long and involved process. It’s not a house foreclosure and a sale on the courthouse steps. I’ve been involved in various bankruptcy cases. In fact, I’ve been counsel for the trustee in a Chapter 7 liquidation of an oil and gas company and that case took me two years to get it sold.

The thing is, the creditor can’t just say “you defaulted, we’ll sell the team.” First, you have to involve all creditors in the proceeding. Second, you have to find a buyer.

Quite honestly, I’m guessing Hicks knows this. In fact, I’m guessing he decided to default on the sports team’s loans over his more liquidatable assets’ loans for this exact reason because its tougher to put the sports teams through a receivership/bankruptcy proceeding. The creditor has a definite asset, it just can’t do anything with it.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Apr 14, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC

Hicks has said, fairly bluntly, that the default was a calculated negotiation tactic to get the banks to be more reasonable with regard to the repayment of his loans and rates charged or something close to that.

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think this is exactly right

Also, I think for the most part, this is like us bashing and/or speculating on the president and what he should do/have done. There’s so many extraneous factors and details and experts on Hicks’ staff presenting every plausible scenario that with the exception of someone who’s very knowledgable in the realm (e.g, WyoRanger above) that the everyday Average Joe can’t meaningfully weigh in. I think these dudes are always thinking 3, 4 steps ahead.

Derek Jeter sucks. How's that for a quote.

by rangerdanger on Apr 14, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

But I’m not talking about the people who’s job it is to police these kinds of situations. I’m talking about guys like Rangerdanger on LSB.com

Derek Jeter sucks. How's that for a quote.

by rangerdanger on Apr 14, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really see the simiarities.

We do know for certain that HSG is in serious financial trouble, Hicks has admitted as much by seeking to sell 49% of each team. Of course, how this all plays out for the Rangers and Stars does involve some speculation.

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Apr 14, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

49%

My guess is, his investments have been big losers. So, he needs to sell something that has maintained more value – 49% of the Rangers, Stars, Liverpool.

The odd thing is, it’s like selling half of your house to someone else, so you can continue to afford it. Otherwise, you can’t afford it.

by 3Bagger on Apr 14, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a REAL good analogy...

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Apr 14, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your house

has a revenue stream?

by bhudson on Apr 14, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Revenue Stream

Let’s call it a rental house!

I doubt the Rangers have a NET GAIN revenue stream in 2009. But their math is top secret.

by 3Bagger on Apr 14, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I don’t believe him. What’s he supposed to say? “My team’s finances are screwed up and I can’t afford to pay my creditors” doesn’t sound very good.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Apr 14, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my first thought

Hicks is trying to stare down the banks and so far they’re refusing to blink.

But after reading the WSJ article it makes sense why Hicks is selling off 49% of the team, that will allow him to only worry about 1/2 the expenses while still being the sole owner who runs things. Appears he learned his lesson with the evenly-split ownership with Liverpool

"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells

by Taylor on Apr 14, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was under the impression it wasnt that they couldnt afford to pay

it was that they were using it to negotiate with the banks/get more time?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would assume

it would depend on how the loan was collateralized. If the teams themselves are the collateral, can’t the banks just take them? Cleared of the debt and Tom Hicks ownership interests, I assume they’d be fairly profitable.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 14, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

previous article mentioned

that the loans were ‘partially’ secured by an interest in the ballclub.

by SteveP on Apr 14, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More WSJ Quotes
Mr. Hicks missed a $10 million quarterly interest payment on March 31, triggering the default notice. The teams are unable to fund both their operating expenses and debt service, and Mr. Hicks has declined to continue making up the difference out of his own pocket, according to a person familiar with the matter.

That has angered some of the lenders — a collection of large banks and smaller investment funds — for whom the default notice begins a process that could put the banks in control of the teams. That won’t happen for at least 180 days, however, as lenders have agreed to National Hockey League provisions that prevent immediate foreclosure. Major League Baseball’s rules for such situations are more fluid, though if Hicks Sports Group can’t satisfy lenders, the lenders can eventually force an MLB-sanctioned sale of the Rangers.

And I found this interesting:

Relations between the Hicks Sports Group lenders and the NHL have grown increasingly testy of late, with the NHL threatening to do all it could to block a forced sale of the Stars, according to people involved in the matter.

by drizzle on Apr 14, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

with the NHL threatening to do all it could to block a forced sale of the Stars, according to people involved in the matter.

what is this about?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Apr 14, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

appearances

The NHL, and MLB I would assume, don’t want to look weak financially and having a major city’s team basically foreclosed on and auctioned off would not look good for the league. The NHL apparently has a little more control over this than baseball does and I think either of them could make such a proposition ponderous for the bankers.

by bushe on Apr 14, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as this team isn't moved or contracted

I’m fine with whatever happens.

That is probably my biggest fear as a sports fan.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 14, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, then

there is some hope for this franchise after all.

When John Ehrlichman, the President's counsel and assistant, asked Nixon why he kept Agnew on the ticket in the 1972 election, Nixon replied that "No assassin in his right mind would kill me."[

by SanDiegoKev on Apr 14, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cuban

I wonder if Mark Cuban is still involved with the Cubs. I know he would give up sex for a month to get his hands on a Major League Franchise, and he’d probably stretch it to 6 weeks to get the Rangers.

:)

by iblum on Apr 14, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he wants the Cubs and has expressed interest in the Royals, for some reason...

Hicks is fighting to stay in by giving up 49% of his stake. Cuban won’t even look at it unless he could control it all. I know he has said in the past he has no interest in the Rangers, but I think his desire for an MLB club might convince him to poke around a bit if the team went up for sale…
Based on previous statements, I don’t expect him to make any moves here… but you never know…

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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know if that's how he really feels though

He’s not going to publicly talk about buying a local team that isn’t for sell. Especially from an owner that owns 2 of the major franchises in the DFW area.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Apr 14, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

that would make things kind of awkward

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Apr 14, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

The owners would just blackball him again

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by BAC on Apr 14, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got blackballed once...

…made the blue balls seem like a walk in the park.

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by Chad Crudup on Apr 14, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"eventually" can't come soon enough...

Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.

by BigGuns on Apr 14, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Normally

I would think that this is just a negotiating ploy to get the banks to lower his rates but with the way the economy is I don’t know if the banks will blink. Banks right now are trying to make examples of people.

Like someone said, we can hope.

"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo

by kentbenfer on Apr 14, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know...

as much as I dislike Tom Hicks’s comments on the radio and think he’s generally a dunderhead, I’m much more comfortable with the devil I know than with the devil I don’t. He’s stuck with JD thus far, and I wonder how many other owners would’ve done that.

by jwiscarson on Apr 14, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yep

There is no telling what a new owner might do. For all we know, they may come in and decide they have to win immediately and trade all our prospects for established major leaguers, setting us back years and years.

by uthornfan on Apr 14, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

How likely are we to get an owner as willing to pay over slot for draft picks as Hicks has been?

by jthig32 on Apr 14, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

there are a lot of ways this could turn out very badly.

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by t ball on Apr 14, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea we might have a losing season or something...NO WAIT!

I pray Hicks will be gone soon. Plus I bet this makes Liverpool happy,excited.

by WALKERMAN on Apr 14, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND

So Hick can’t pay both the operating cost and the debt he has incurred. That means he can still pay the operating costs of both teams, but he needs to liquidate some assets to pay off his debt. Is that the way everyone else is reading it?

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Apr 14, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I find it hard to believe he doesn't have cash for operating costs

he’s clearly in trouble, especially when you consider the line of business he’s in. That said not being able to come up with the day-to-day cash means BAD news.

by Sherman McCoy on Apr 14, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the way I read it...

He can support the team, but “needs the bankers to be reasonable” so he can pay the debt.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Apr 14, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"needs the bankers to be reasonable"

I need to start borrowing enough where I can use that excuse.

The reasonable thing for them to do is to seize every bit of collateral.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 14, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I don’t see how Hicks has a whole lot of leverage (in the traditional, non-financial sense) in this situation.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Apr 14, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think his only leverage

is the banks would need league approval to take control of the franchises.

All the additional debt was taken out so he could buy that ballet company or soccer team or figure skating group or whatever, right?

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 14, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is his leverage:

Hicks: “I no longer enjoy that loan that I signed a few years ago. I think it should be cheaper.”

Bank: “No.”

Hicks: “Then I’m not paying the loan.”

Bank: “Then you’re in default. As a result, we have rights to your teams under the loan contract default provisions!”

MLB: “Go and fuck yourself, bank. You get nothing.”

Hicks: (Smug and irritating smirk.)

Bank: (thinking) Maybe the Wall Street Journal will listen?

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Secret audio????

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Apr 14, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

doubt it

I doubt that’s a precedent that MLB wants to set.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Apr 14, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know

other owners might like to get loans too someday

by bushe on Apr 15, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

That doesn’t even make sense. I’m a lawyer and if I want a loan, the bank doesn’t look at the credit history of the law firm I work at; that’s irrelevant.

by FuturePants on Apr 15, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but

it means that banks know that teams are effectively worthless as collateral if the MLB prevents a banker from taking the assets.

So any future loans to an MLB team would need to be made without the teams as collateral. That would likely stop “2nd mortgage” type of loans like the one Hicks took out against the Rangers to buy Liverpool.

I’m not sure there is much downside to MLB to letting the bankers boot Hicks. Selig has warned in the past about clubs indebtedness, it may serve him well to have a pinhead owner lose his franchise.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 15, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Booting Hicks

I think you’re right. The MLB will probably face this issue with several franchises.

by 3Bagger on Apr 15, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what a freaking mess.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Apr 14, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

W could step back into ownership

Also, I bet Ryan ends up with a ownership stake of some sort.

by bstair on Apr 14, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

W

While he was the public face of ownership, his ownership stake was actually fairly small- 5-10% at most.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Apr 14, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok ... let him assume his 10% stake with a face

Where does the other 90% come from?
Nolan Ryan?
Cuban?
Schieffer?
McDavid?
T. Boone Pickens?
Perot?
Jamey Newberg?
AJM?
Miles?

by bstair on Apr 14, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good solution...

I think T. Boone might be a very viable and good solution. He and his buddy Jerry would be neighbors and we know T. Boone is enthusiastic about athletics with what he has done for OkState.

Anyone think Cuban might be interested in the Stars? He’d stand to make some good time down the road if he wanted to package the Mavs/Stars/AAC.

Rivalries aside, RIP Nick Adenhart 04/09/2009.

by hillcrest on Apr 14, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't he and Hicks co-own the AAC...

And it Hicks sold the Stars, would he have to give up his share?

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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

X

I’m sure to purchase all of Southwest Sports Group or Hicks Sports Group (or whomever’s) interest in the Stars, you would have to purchase that entity’s interest in the AAC. Seems doubtful that a 50% share in the arena would simply revert to the other owner in circumstance of sale or default.

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's pretty much what I figured

but is a good example of how convoluted this can become…

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by WhipSmart on Apr 14, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

What I’m saying is, to optimize profit, or make a profit, would these banks then be able to split up the assets and sell for “appraised” value? Instead of trying to find a buyer willing to fork over, say, $700 million for all of HSG, find one that is willing to pay $100 million for the Mesquite Rodeo, one willing to pay $450 million for the Stars (and 50% interest in AAC) and one willing to pay $650 million for the Rangers (and HSG’s interest in RBiA.)

Rivalries aside, RIP Nick Adenhart 04/09/2009.

by hillcrest on Apr 14, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it went to auction

It would go to the highest bidder, period. The bank would bid up to what they are owed on all their liens and those superior. Anything over that would be by a third party.

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

…well, at least I assume that’s how this sort of thing would go. That’s how homes sell at auction, at least. This sort of a transaction would naturally be different. Don’t we have a securities lawyer running around this thing?

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or it could be a...

short sale

Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage

by boomer1 on Apr 14, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if MLB works like the NFL

But if it does then that wouldn’t work. The rangers couldn’t be auctioned off because the other owners have to approve any sale of a team to a new owner. I think more than likely the Rangers would become property of MLB.

by Gina on Apr 14, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I think that is true, but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be auctioned off to some kind of a receiver who would essentially hold the team until a new buyer (and league approved buyer) could be located.

by FuturePants on Apr 14, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I don't think the bank can take claim of the Rangers

Which is what they would have to do to be able to auction it off. The Rangers would belong to MLB.

by Gina on Apr 14, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

T Boone

I’m pretty sure that TBP would make Jerry Jones look like a hands off owner. He’d be JJ2.0 at the very minimum

by bushe on Apr 14, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Plus T-Bone already owns an athletic team in the OSU Cowboys. I’m not the biggest fan of Hicks but at least Wash hasn’t cracked under the pressure from an overbearing owner and gone on a tirade about how he’s a man he’s 50 or 60 ir however old he is.

by BEW on Apr 14, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

… my poor alma mater…

oh and it was 40 hence the spikey hair

by bushe on Apr 14, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Adam

Does this maybe answer the Juan Cruz question?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Apr 14, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

Because they offered Sheets a lot more money before his physical flamed out and that was about the same time. The Cruz thing is just a mystery.

by pblack on Apr 14, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true, but

Sheets was a big name SP. If you’re looking for who can give you the quickest ROI by helping attendance, a SP like Ben Sheets does a hell of a lot more than a RP.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Apr 14, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but the payback for winning

can be a year or more away. The Rays won last year, and if they see any payoff for it, it will be this year.

A name can sell season tickets. Look at attendance the year we signed ARod. Despite an 89 loss season, attendance was up a quarter million or so.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 14, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So every fifth game attendance would be up?

Im kidding, no need to reply.

Rocky Mountain Ranger

by Strangers on Apr 14, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Ben Sheets a "name"?

I don’t really so. All of us know who he is but most people don’t.

by Black Francis on Apr 14, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but he is a big enough name and good enough pitcher

that all the local media would be reporting that the Rangers had signed an ace. Casual fans know what an ace is.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 14, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

What does this mean?

by Longhorn on Apr 14, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Franchise Value

The Padres are valued at about $500 million, and Moorad will purchase the team over a five-year period. The Ricketts family bid about $900 million for the Cubs, Wrigley, WGN, and probably some other stuff as well. I wonder how much the Rangers (plus the local TV station) would be worth?

by Excel Hearts Choi on Apr 14, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A crapton

Because along with the rights to the rangers, and the network comes like 240 acres of land. I know technically what Hicks originally paid for the rangers way undervalued what they were worth at the time because of the 250 acres of land that came with it. At the time that land alone should have been worth like 140 million.

by Gina on Apr 14, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand

How he could have managed to f*** up that bad. It’s one thing to go bankrupt like the tribune, it takes an entirely different level of fail to not even be able to pay day to day operating expenses.

by Gina on Apr 14, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't say he can't pay day-to-day expenses

It clearly says he can’t pay both operating AND debt service. IOW, he wants a break on the debt service.

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by bking on Apr 14, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hicks Finances in the WSJ

This seems to be the most significant part, that Hicks doesn’t WANT to pony up any of his own cash to ‘protect’ the investment in the Stars and Rangers.

Maybe he will if it comes down to that or maybe he doesn’t have as much in his pockets as people think (assets minus liabilities).

But is Hicks really could solve this himself and he doesn’t want to, it raises other questions:

1. Is Hicks more upside down in the Rangers than it seems? Maybe adding in his own cash would just lead to him losing that money as well.

2. Perhaps Hicks has lost faith in the MLB as a way to make money and he would rather take the credit hit than do what it takes to keep owning a team that (he might believe) has no real chance of turning it around and paying for itself.

Side Note: Hicks’ OTHER team, Liverpool is playing a huge match in the Champions League right now on ESPN2. They are up against it and need to score at least three goals or they are out of this competition. Huge crowd and big energy from London. He borrowed for this transaction also.

by 3Bagger on Apr 14, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hicks Reply

One report said he wants to sell 50% or so before July, when some money is owed.

I’m guessing that he (and bankers) are probably looking ahead. If the 2009 Rangers team bleeds more cash, then what does that mean to his status? Bottom line, he should be capable of paying a $10 million quarterly interest payment. Right? Also, if you’re selling things, it is never a good strategy to miss payments and create an atmosphere of desperation. Which tells me, he has some serious issues. But who knows. He’s certainly smart enough to play the media to his advantage.

by 3Bagger on Apr 14, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liverpool doesn't look like they are going to pull it out

which makes me happy as a Chelsea supporter, but that was one amazing game. Chelsea looked awful early and then took complete control, only to have Liverpool storm back late with two goals in three minutes. Amazing.

by uthornfan on Apr 14, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barca

They should maul Chelsea.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Apr 14, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay! Another Chelsea fan!

What a crazy game. I have to go study now, but I just want to sit and stare at the wall until my pulse recovers…

by GhettoBear04 on Apr 14, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he doesn't have much cash...

and all of his funds are tied up in things that aren’t quite so liquid. That would be a bad place to be in this marketplace.

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by ortonius on Apr 14, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hick's response

updated from the original Unfair Park post

“You may have read yet another news story about the current situation involving HSG’s efforts to renegotiate their loans. This time the story appeared in the Wall Street Journal. There is nothing new in this story. As has been previously reported, HSG missed its most recent quarterly interest payment. As a result of that payment default, HSG’s lenders have now sent the expected and normal default notices to HSG. But nothing has changed at the baseball and hockey clubs while the negotiations continue at the HSG level. Both Major League Baseball and the National Hockey League have strong protections for their franchises when discussions such as these are underway. These are complex negotiations and there are some very smart people working on them. As an owner and lender to HSG, I am working to negotiate something that will make economic sense going forward for me, HSG and its lenders. The current situation simply does not make economic sense. As these negotiations progress I will keep you posted.”

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Apr 14, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
Tom Hicks “Could Eventually” Lose Control of Texas Rangers

this somehow implies that tom hicks has ever had control of the texas rangers

where was i when this happened???

by sam in so cal on Apr 14, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Darren Rovell

at cnbc.com writes:

Hicks’ greatest problem might be his inability to accept reality. In mentioning that he’s ready to sell parts of his teams, he has mentioned selling a 49 percent stake, so that he can raise money while still maintaining his majority ownership position.

Not only has the value of his teams probably dropped at least 25 percent because of the marketplace, but the person who is buying has to have more cash than ever before. And someone who doesn’t have a sports team who is going to buy now is going to want majority ownership, if not immediately upon purchase, within a couple years.

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Apr 14, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I really don’t get whats in it for the minority stakeholder. From their standpoint, its a pure investment play, and its a very illiquid investment. If you have the kind of cash to swing that, there are a lot of other investment opportunities out there.

I’m sure there are quite a few good investment opportunities in bankruptcy court, that if you can acquire for the debt, are actually decent, liquid, businesses.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 14, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loans

Hicks is spinning for sure. I understand why. But, logically, to say, “the current situation does not make economic sense” is odd. After all, these are loans he agreed to. Also. You don’t necessarily re-negotiate a loan by missing payments. Hicks and HSG are private firms, so, who knows what investment losses they may have at the present time. The last thing someone should do is skip a $10 million payment. UNLESS. They are very strapped for cash.

Hicks is a lawyer. So, I’m sure he chooses words wisely. He does not say that he is in sound financial condition. He does say, “smart people are working on this.” Again, that says nothing.

by 3Bagger on Apr 14, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hicks isn't a lawyer

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Apr 14, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hicks

You’re right. He has an MBA from USC. I assumed he did because he’s the “deal maker.” My bad. Well, that explains it! He’s not a lawyer!

by 3Bagger on Apr 14, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

reply button

I promise I hit the thing.

by 3Bagger on Apr 14, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know where I can get a few hundred million dollars?

There’s free parking and nickle beer in it for you

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Apr 14, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What some don't realize...

is that a lot of banks won’t even talk renegotiating a loan until someone has defaulted on one. If the banks feel like they’d be better served by renegotiating, they’ll do it. In most cases, they are much better off.

by Redcaps on Apr 14, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

More from the FWST

LINK

I’m thinking it is inevitable that the team will be sold…..

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by Dirk Diggler on Apr 15, 2009 8:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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