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Washington obviously didn't think the team could win.  He didn't think his pitchers could prevent any more runs.  He thought it better to rest the top of the order rather than play them.  I'd wager he lost a lot of respect in the clubhouse by giving up.  These players believe they can come back from anything, and now Washington has given up on them.

Jackie Moore, or someone else, will be managing this team soon.  Vote your guess as to when below. 

OT:  I can't think of Jackie Moore without seeing Jackie Wright, Benny Hill's little bald sidekick.  So when Moore comes out to make a pitching change I'll be hearing/seeing the signature Benny Hill chase scene that closed his show.  Here's a classic clip with a parody of Woodstock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyhdNK2BlFA

 

 

 

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When does Wash get the boot?
Today
3 votes
Before the Toronto series (Tues.)
60 votes
By the end of next week
40 votes
By May 1
84 votes
Later this season
35 votes
He stays
32 votes

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I still think its a little early in the year to fire him

but, if this team continues to play this way, theres no way he’s here after the All Star Break.

my sig is better than yours

by hinduplaya on Apr 18, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this makes JD look very bad

If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???

surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.

by tricer on Apr 18, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

who even knew

that was possible?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 18, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We know

You guys want Gerry Hunsicker to replace Daniels.

Let’s say Hunsicker is happy in Tampa.

What then? Is there a backup plan? Do you fire Daniels anyway, and then see who is out there? Or is it Hunsicker or bust?

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

John Hart is still on the payroll :)

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Hart

I suspect a fair amount of the problems from early on stem from not having a Hunsicker-type here, in the type of role he has in Tampa, who is experienced and could provide more guidance and be more involved on issues involving administration, organizational leadership, and the like. John Hart, I suspect, was supposed to have that sort of role, but it seems like he either wasn’t interested or wasn’t effective.

I think adding Nolan into the mix adds chain of command issues, and he doesn’t have the type of experience in terms of hiring people and managing an organization that someone like Hunsicker has. And I think this franchise has all sorts of chain of command issues, in no small part because I think Daniels hired a manager who would be the anti-Buck and would accept being emasculated, and in no small part because you’ve got a hitting coach and a pitching coach with an inordinate amount of stroke within the organization (and who are probably more influential, in terms of personnel decisions, than the manager is).

But despite my rather well-documented concerns about Nolan coming on board, I do think having someone like him here in a supervisory/advisory role, is probably a good thing, although it would have been a lot more helpful a few years ago. I think Daniels was probably promoted into the g.m. role prematurely, and could have used someone like that a lot more back then.

And again, maybe it was thought that Hart would be that person. Maybe Hart was that person, and he just did a crappy job of advising, or he didn’t actually do anything, or Daniels chose to ignore him.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think your analysis

is spot on,

and the Chain of Command issues have been dogging this franchise at least since Hicks hired Fuson and Hart on the condition they live with each other. I’m kind of a fan of having managers having say over their underlings. I think a manager should be free to hire/fire any of their coaches, and that includes Rudy. GMs should be able to hire and fire all their direct reports.

I also think Hart could’ve been that guy, but he is basicly the top executive you see who is basicly retired, but still drawing a paycheck. I think he still wants the percs and pay of the job of GM, but didn’t want to do the work. kind of like Bear Stearns was under James Cayne.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think Nolan has worked out as best as anyone could have expected, and by doing exactly what you are saying.

That is also why I think JD is perfectly safe.

Hicks bringing on Nolan into what was obviously an active role is him admitting that he made a mistake with JD by having him too independent too fast (heck, even Theo Epstein had Larry Lucchino). Whether Hart just resigned himself from being relevant or was bad at it, I think the hiring of Nolan signals that Hicks figured out JD needed a strong guide. And since he hired Nolan to be the guide, and Nolan isn’t going anywhere, I don’t think JD is either.

by JBImaknee on Apr 18, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The longer

JD lets Wash hang around the worse it will be for Daniels. Admit the mistake. Let him go and move on. The “give up” last night was inexcusable.

by Kyle Mc on Apr 18, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought

there was no way he could get fired this month.

Until he subbed Vizquel for MY with bases loaded. I almost think you’d have to want to be fired to make that move.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sadly

I think that is an accurate assessment of life as a diehard Rangers fan.

Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.

by WestTxAg06 on Apr 18, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dirk

I’ll word on the capitalization. But this post, although pretty tongue in cheek, was not a reaction to the first ten games of this year. I have been waking up every day and reading the box scores since ‘90 or ’91, so this sentiment is not really a knee jerk, since it has built up over fifteen plus seasons and thousands of games. We are hardly analogous to the Rays because they were not even a franchise when I started closely following baseball. In fact, neither were the Rockies, Marlins, or Diamondbacks, all teams who have at least made a WS appearance in their short existence. The thing that kills me about the Rangers is that they have needed pitching for as long as I can remember and yet they have never been able to address it. FOR OVER FIFTEEN YEARS. The Braves saw their pitching staff slip last year for the first time in well over a decade, and they promptly addressed it last offseason…in one single offseason they completely remade their staff. So, no, this doesn’t feel like a knee jerk.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Apr 18, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel you, Clark Bar.

And, to be honest, most of that post was directed at you and your oft-disseminated sentimonies regarding JD more than it was at that particular comment. (Except of course for the bit about hobos maybe plotting something huge… Hobos almost seized control of Portugal last summer. The US media didn’t cover the story because they’re biased as hell and didn’t want to create mass panic at the idea of hobo revolution at home, but that shit happened, and if you don’t think it could happen here, then just continue to sit there and do nothing. If we continue to ignore this threat, there’ll be a bindle in the White House by the end of the next decade. Believe that.)

I still think we’re headed in the right direction overall and to let our frustrations at this season bubble over and maybe cost us a chance at a really good thing long term I think would be folly.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I love you, Marcus Lemon.

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by thedirkatron on Apr 18, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with everything you said

except for your hobo rebellion conspiracy — they prefer “bums” over “hobos,” btw. And I’m not sure this thing is a juggernaut in ‘10, but my hope is it will compete. The litmus test for JD, imo, is how the organization develops its bounty of blue chippers — and I give him credit for stacking the deck. I think he’s learned from his shitty trades in the past, and has finally picked a direction, and appears to be sticking with it.

As for Wash, I think he needs to go. I have no confidence in his ability to cultivate young players, and that will be the main job of his predecessor.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Apr 18, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everybody keeps saying that JD has learned from his mistakes

but he keeps making the same ones, at least relative to the pitching.

Seriously, it’s like talking to a massive brick wall.
OK, JD is untouchable…he’s great…he’s a major-league manager that still has five years of learning to go, in addition to his previous four+, and I should be willing to accept him as the Rangers’ savior GM.

How’s that?

I'm just killing time until I'm reincarnated.

by Clueless on Apr 18, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa, tap the breaks, broham

Nobody used the word savior. That was a lot of word you just put into my mouth. Objectively, if you judge JD’s whole body of work, he’s a D at best. But, if you only judge him based on what he’s done since the organization decided to go with the young players, I think he’s done a great job of acquiring young talent. Now, as I said in my comment, his next test is to turn that talent into a major league winner.

Maybe my glasses have a rosy tint, but I judge him pretty favorably on the last two and a half years — when they decided to go young. He still has some things to prove, but to say that he keeps making the same mistakes with pitching is near-sighted and reeks of mindless talk radio babble.

And the “mistakes he’s made with pitching” in recent years have more to do with avoiding bad contracts, and allowing guys within the organization to get a shot.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Apr 18, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and thanks for the capitalization. Makes it so much easier to read, especially when it's big chunks of prose.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I love you, Marcus Lemon.

"I don’t have any respect for anybody on here. Everyone on here is a fucking asshole who thinks they’re god compared to everyone else." -iorange555.

by thedirkatron on Apr 18, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2010 and forward

The sentiment that we just have to grin and bear it this year, then next year the dominance begins is puzzling to me.

As of this very minute, I count one pitcher that will be here next year that can probably be counted on as a member of a real contender – FX2. I just have a hard time pinning all my hopes on next year when, as far as we know right now, our entire rotation and bullpen are going to need to be rebuilt and our GM hasn’t really displayed any competency for that task.

Now if we have a couple guys come up and prove they can be effective relievers, and a couple guys prove they can pitch 200 innings at the back of a rotation, and we see signs that Holland and/or Feliz could be legit 2/3 guys – well if all those things happen, then all we’d need to do is go out and acquire an ace. And pray that the most important arms stay healthy. That is a lot to wish for. Here’s hoping we see evidence that all of that could realistically happen, but let’s be honest, we don’t have that evidence yet.

If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???

surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.

by tricer on Apr 18, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

exactly, right on

there is too much to fix for it to be fixed in one year.

The "Fire Wash Watch" is on. I say he's gone by April 26th.

by NothinG on Apr 18, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

??????
As of this very minute, I count one pitcher that will be here next year that can probably be counted on as a member of a real contender – FX2.

Really?

Kevin Millwood would have no place on a contender?

C.J. Wilson — a contender would just release him?

Brandon McCarthy — no contender could use him?

Scott Feldman — a contender would release him before having him as their #5 starter or long man?

This sort of hyperbole doesn’t make sense to me.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitchers that can be counted on

I don’t think CJ, BMac, or Feldman can be counted on for 2010 at this point. I think the reasons why are obvious enough that I shouldn’t have to detail them. Without looking at stats, my guess is that that collection has ERA around 5 and whip around 1.5 – not exactly the types that contending teams build a stafff around.

That’s not hyperbole. None of those guys have enough sustained success in the ML to say, yeah looking towards 2010 – here is a guy that we can count on as part of a good pitching staff. Now any of those three could take steps forward this year and become a guy that you would say that about – but right now they just aren’t. That was the whole point of my post.

And Millwood may or may not be here next year.

And Millwood may or may not be here.

If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???

surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.

by tricer on Apr 18, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me ask this
pitcher that will be here next year that can probably be counted on as a member of a real contender

Who, on the three other A.L. West teams, would you put in this category — will be there next year and probably be counted on as a member of a real contender?

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't answer this question off the top of my head

I guess I could do some quick research and answer that, but what does that question have to do with this conversation?

I guess you might be implying that the pieces we have available right now for the 2010 staff compare favorably to what the other teams in our division have. That may be the case but history seems to indicate that the Rangers will improve when the pitching improves, and I don’t see solid evidence that we can point to that indicates that will for sure be the case next year.

I hadn’t really considered the state of the other AL West staffs for next year, but those teams don’t have the same history of ineptness in that regard.

My belief is pretty simple: the Rangers will contend for an AL pennant as soon as they put together a pitching staff that is better than league average with a few legit studs mixed in there somewhere. I think the position players are in place currently, but I don’t think that we have anything to justify the thought that the pitching will be there, this year or next year. It could happen, and I hope that it happens, but to say that it will happen is a stretch right now, IMO.

If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???

surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.

by tricer on Apr 18, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two things

1) I’m trying to get a sense for your standards — a calibration, if you will
2) I’m trying to point out that, in comparison to our divisional competition, I don’t think the Rangers are that bad off

Seattle has King Felix and Morrow, but Bedard is a free agent, and I think that, given your standards, Morrow probably doesn’t qualify anyway

Anaheim — Arredondo, Weaver, and I guess Saunders (though I don’t believe in him). Lackey is a free agent

Oakland — Nobody?

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

REC

Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.

by BigGuns on Apr 18, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree with this:
But usually it just leaves you feeling empty because you know deep down that ultimately nothing will ever change.

If I have learned anything in this life it is this: Things do change.

"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer

by rodcarew on Apr 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was at the game yesterday.

It was almost insulting when he pinch hit Vizquel for Young. Washington basically threw in the towel. After Omar popped out I think about half the section I was sitting in just up and left. It was the first game I got to actually go to this year and it was just infuriating to watch this stuff unfold in front of me. I felt like Obi-Wan in episode one watching Qui-Gon get killed by Darth Maul.

Back to the original question in the post though, I can’t imagine Washington keeping his job past May 1… Almost every in-game decision he’s made has been so damn stupid, and i’m sure he’s lost a few of his players’ respect after that debacle last night.

by Lum on Apr 18, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was there too

I thought MY had to be hurt…so I checked LSB on my phone and realized wash is just an idiot. It was so defeating as a fan.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I was hoping the same thing, but then he put Murphy in for Hamilton. What a horrible night.
Hopefully the next game I go to won’t be as bad.

by Lum on Apr 18, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I've said before...

another bad start and losing record in April = Jackie Moore on May 1st.

I don’t agree with it, but I’m not going to lose much sleep over it either.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 18, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He is a manager not a coach.

This is important because he excels at coaching and sucks the pole managing. I don’t blame JD like most people here. He had a young team which was in major rebuild mode. Hire the manager that can coach ‘em up, and hope he has common baseball sense. Wash ain’t got the managing gene. To look at it another way, Wash is a “rebound” manager after Buckster. You never stay with the “rebound.”

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by Parman on Apr 18, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I won't try to defend the decision to pinch hit for MY

but I it does seem as though many people here are overreacting to the mess. It didn’t cost us even one game in the standings. Wash has his good points and bad, however, you need to ask one very key question if you think he need to be released. Who will take over, and will that person do the job better? For all you who want him to be fired, let’s hear who the replacement should be, and why you believe he’ll be better.

"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer

by rodcarew on Apr 18, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here is my problem

Most of Wash’s poor decisions at least had some rationale. Even that CJ loss last week with Francisco in the ’pen was excusable since Wash was simply following traditional use of the closer.

But pinch-hitting Vizquel, the only guy on the roster who I grimace at the thought of batting? The only guy who would not a be a starting player on some other team somewhere? The old guy who doesn’t need ABs? What?

Wash gave up. You simply don’t give up when the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS is the W or L at the end of the game. As Easterbrook always says, this isn’t college – there are no polls. How you play, who you play, what the score ends up as no meaning. Only the W or the L.

Giving up is the ultimate sin for a professional manager.

by JBImaknee on Apr 18, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have neither bashed nor defended Wash, but...

….the episode with MY/Vizquel is strange indeed. I’m not sure you make that move trying to get fired, as much as you make that move from the stress of worrying about getting fired. However, no matter how you slice it, it seems Wash is discombobulated on what to do, and is making a left turn everytime he should have gone right, so to speak.

Theory of what Washington was thinking and where the mistake was made:

- The meltdown last night I think can be traced back to Millwoods second outing and the CJ Wilson debacle. Was pulling Millwood after 7 really a mistake or a somewhat rational decision that only seemed terrible in hind-sight?

You’re #1 starter has a second fantastic start in a row and has dominated the other team. In the team concept you want to build, on most good teams, the feeling that you should feel good to turn it over to your setup men in the eighth and close it out in the 9th. The “its early in the season” mindset cuts both ways:

1) Its early in the season, so pulling the SP after 7 is not too big of a deal with a 4 run lead, so why wear him out
2) The team will understand that once we have a lead after 7, the back end of our bullpen can shut the door against the opponent
3) As stated on this site many times, CJ has a fragile mindset. So he begins to struggle in that appearance. Its early in the season and you need his best for the long haul. Do you pull him or let him work himself out of it? He has the talent, so he has to develop the mental part. Do you make him “grow up” on the mound that night, for the good of his confidence going forward? Do you pull him and damage his confidence going forward?

Well we saw what happened. Was it because Wash made “the wrong decision” or because he made a benign decision that went horribly wrong? I think it was the latter, but with this caveat. When CJ was melting down, I think Wash and Maddux let it go on too long. I believe some of the questions listed above may have been in play, but actually a “lack of decision” in a timely manner helped to destroy no only CJ’s self confidence, but possibly the rest of the teams’ confidence in CJ or the bullpen itself. It at least planted the seed.

- The next several games went a long way in making the fandom, the media, the players, the coaches, and especially the manager wonder, with the exception of FF, if the bullpen could get anybody out. Could they pitch for 1, 2, or even 3 innings without tossing a BP session. This starts to make everybody feel that the Rangers have to build up a double digit lead to survive the game if they have to rely on the bullpen. The bullpen has been miserable and the seed begins to grow and take root.

- Fast forward to last night. Things blow up again and now they are behind and the manager doesn’t feel the bullpen can stop the bleeding. Although the Rangers can put up a 10-spot at any given time on offense, Wash betrays himself and his players by effectively “throwing in the towel”, and deciding to sit a couple guys he won’t usually sit this season. (I hate this mentality and decision more than any other he has made, as it relates to that half inning.)

Sure he informed them that Vizquel and Murphy would be going into the game to spell MY and Hamilton, which isn’t horrible in itself, but HOW he did it just makes no sense. So the Rangers decided to load the bases and hope for another miracle, and now MY is due up. Let one of your best hitters hit and see what happens. He doesn’t have to go back into the field after that half of the inning!

Let him see what he can do, then pull him out after the at-bat.

I believe that Wash was actually thinking he was making a statement to the higher-ups that something needs to be done about the bullpen, buy implying that the team is losing its confidence because of the pitching issues. The “fight” and never give up attitude was slipping fast in the clubhouse. Therefore, he makes a decision that is as bone-headed as he can make.

What would prompt him to do this? Who the hell knows? But decisions made under stress are usually ill advised, especially if your livelihood and/or reputation are on the line. The only thing worse than decisions made under duress are emotional decisions. Emotional decisions often lack enough thought/evaluation to prove fruitful in the longterm. These are the decisions we often wish we could get a mulligan on.

I believe Wash had lost it by the time all of this unfolded. I think his comments after the game regarding getting veterans some at bats is as ridiculous as his gametime scenario decision making. The level of ridiculousness from Wash last night is unmatched in recent Ranger history.

Does this mean he is out of here? There is a very distinct possibility, IF he has lost the faith of the players AND his actions are detrimental to the team moving forward. I’m sure there were some discussions last night and this morning also. All I am sure of is this: Wash either gets canned in the next 48 hours or is here for the rest of the season.

Firing Wash isn’t all of a sudden make the team play better….but it can’t get too much worse if he is here or somebody else takes over, as far as on the field performance. The mentality of the team/players moving forward is the most important factor.

Like I said earlier, the emotional rantings of many of us last night and today should not be part of the decision on whether Wash stays or goes. Most of our comments are short-sighted and not solving the problem. Some have thrown out solutions, but not many. The team will NOT just get better because Wash isn’t here, so I’d like to hear the real solution offered in many of the rants.

To be honest, it will be the players who dictate what the decision will be….right or wrong. It will come down to how they feel about Wash, and whether last night’s poor decisions will make them lose faith in him or if they are willing to keep going into battle with him.

I’m sure we’ll find out soon. (Yes, I know its long)

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by Chaim Witz on Apr 18, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will rec any comment

you make that is less than fifty words.

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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dang

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Apr 20, 2009 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figure the end of April record will be the first moment of official eval.

After that he could go anytime if things haven’t changed from the current vibe.

by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I cannot make a guess..

…as to when or even if he’ll be fired. I’m pretty sure he’s not the guy to be managing this or probably any other team, though, and would like to think he will be let go (soon).

As for replacements, they have a well-respected bench coach in Jackie Moore. I wonder if he’s not all he’s cracked up to be or if Washington doesn’t seek or ignores his input. Whatever it is, Moore can’t be worse.

Not all of this is Ron Washington’s fault, of course. I and a few others have been saying for months that this pitching staff is epic fail and the lineup probably isn’t what a lot of people think it is. Team will suck no matter who’s managing it, but that doesn’t mean that should keep a bad manager.

There’s an old saying in baseball that I’m sure all of you have heard. To paraphrase: a team is never as good as it looks during a win streak and isn’t as bad as it looks during a losing streak. So they’re nowhere near as good as we witnessed in the opening series. We cannot expect them to play like that. And I hope to God these are the darkest of days and we cannot expect them to play like they currently are, either. They are something in between, which would rank as a well below .500 baseball team by the time the end of September rolls around.

If you’re realistic about where they are at, it hurts less to watch. And when the pitching isn’t mind numbingly awful we can then have fun watching a team that hopefully has a bright future ahead of it.

by Black Francis on Apr 18, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think back to a few nights ago

The MLB Network showed the difference between the defensive positioning of the Twins and the Rangers. The Rangers play they showed was when the throw came in from the outfield all the way to Salty, who threw to second base and didn’t get the out there either, resulting in a run scored without even getting an out, because there was no cutoff man like what they teach in little league. It was a pretty sad indictment of the team, where bad defense might not show up as errors or in the fielding percentage, but not playing fundamental baseball on defense still costs you.

Ron Washington’s supposed strength when he was hired was as a defensive instructor. Eric Chavez gave him one of his Gold Gloves. If Washington’s strength had actually materialized, then this team would look a lot better, especially considering what a game of momentum baseball is and the way things tend to snowball in the inning after someone screws something up. So we hired a manager who’s supposed to be a defensive guru and yet the team has one of the worst defenses in all of baseball.

If the team could actually play defense, then it seems that his in-game managerial decisions would probably be somewhat less of an issue.

by Inkara1 on Apr 18, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Defense always struck me as an odd reason to hire a manager. Its a great reason to hire a coach.

by JBImaknee on Apr 18, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah, managers don't coach defense at all. It's not their job.

You hire a manager because you think he’ll be a great manager of people.

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by thedirkatron on Apr 18, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw this as well

and thought at the time it was a good snapshot of a play the twins made and the rangers were not even in position to make. I thought it was a great observation by the MLB network team and a pretty severe indictment on the rangers defense/ability to play smart baseball.
I don’t necessarily think this is solely the fault of Wash, nor do I really fault Wash’s in game decisions – those can be argued alot of different ways….
However, I do think Wash is responsible in general for his team’s mistakes (poor defense, poor positioning, poor running) and general inablility to get his team to grind through tough innings and tough at bats.
That’s why I think if the rangers get to 3 or 4 games below .500, Wash is gone. I don’t think Hicks, Nolan, JD want this season to get away from them before making a change.

by stltxfan on Apr 18, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it all comes down to one question

The problem with the team is that it looks sloppy and unfocused, is this Wash’s fault? If so, he needs to go, but if not, firing him won’t accomplish anything.

by Telegraph on Apr 18, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes It Is

And they have looked sloppy and unfocused since Wash came aboard

Nobody punished like Earl and No one was nastier than Ryan

by Garcia34 on Apr 18, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can't wait until June 1st to call up Brandon Boggs this year

All I know is he joined the team, and we won.
If we fire Wash, I’m for bringing up Boggs and making him player-manager.

by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

do the Rangers still

carry around the finger?

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by RangerMad on Apr 18, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has Wash

done anything at all in his time here to prove to anybody that he is a championship caliber manager? Absolutely not, So why waste time cut him loose now and move on I still think Wakamatsu should have been the manager.

Nobody punished like Earl and No one was nastier than Ryan

by Garcia34 on Apr 18, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with this point

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.

by Chaim Witz on Apr 18, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still doesn't account for the poor preparation

Having yourself and the team prepared is a critical to the job. Wash’s moves are sloppy and off the cuff.

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by Parman on Apr 18, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish

that was the only problem.

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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion...

Absolutely NOTHING has changed from April 2008 to April 2009.

Yes, I understand that we have different personnel and some really bright players on the verge of making an impact here, but Ron Washington’s inability to manage a game is stifling this team.

He makes questionable decisions (at best) on a nightly basis (see: Vizquel for MY, no Frankie in the 8th in DET, etc.) and it costs the team runs, and eventually, wins. With a competent manager calling the shots from the bench, I honestly think we can pull off another 5-10 wins a year just because the manager has half a clue what to do with his team in the game.

The fact remains that we can’t play defense very well (the one thing Ron was hired to do), the players look disjointed on a frequent basis, they don’t seem to have any faith in their abilities to play the game right now, and it’s a demoralizing thing to watch this team play baseball since the opening series against Cleveland. We’re not beating teams that we should beat, and that’s the one thing that was said would get Ron fired quickly.

If I’m JD or Nolan, he’d be gone in about two weeks if anything remotely resembling this type of play continues.

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by utlonghorn24 on Apr 18, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If they lose tonight...

in the same horrendous fashion, he will be gone Monday morning. Guaranteed. Nolan can’t have people not showing up to the games and it will come to that. I’m going tonight and I bet there is less than 20,000 there, which on a Saturday night in April is absolutely pathetic.

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by TxStCa on Apr 18, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This...

will be his undoing. Hicks needs the $.

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by Parman on Apr 18, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right

The weather is great and there are great deals on tickets. Millwood is pitching tonight. There should be at least 30,000 people there tonight but it won’t even be close to that.

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by kentbenfer on Apr 18, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

It’s not hot, there are $10 dollar tickets for bad ass seats and a post-game concert. Jack Ingram is gonig to be pissed that he decided to play this weekend, he could have got more at Lone Star Park.

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem – once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971

by TxStCa on Apr 18, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

last night's attendance

cheap tix, cheap parking…fireworks…..

There was NOBODY there…and half left by the 7th inning. It was pathetic.

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by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I parked close and I got right out.

And I left after the fireworks. Wasn’t behind one car the whole time getting out.

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by kentbenfer on Apr 18, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we didn't stick around for the fireworks

I will admit though, that i kinda like it when nobody goes to the games. No traffic problems. Less people in the stands means less waits at the concession stands and the bathrooms. More likely to catch a fly ball.

Hey, this is how I rationalize being a fan of a crappy ass team.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last season I was at

the early season day game against Anaheim when Millwood started and went out with an injury and they made all sorts of errors and just looked terrible. They went on the road after that and I was sure that Washington would not last.

I was at that game last night and they honestly looked worse than that game last season, which had to have been one of their low points. This time, I really hope to God that there is a change soon because I am convinced that Washington has to go. Look, a manager’s either got it or he doesn’t. Some guys are meant to just be coaches while some guys have it in them to manage. Dave Campo proved that for the Cowboys. Nice guy. Good assistant coach. Good defensive coordinator. Bad head coach. Even if the Cowboys had good players, I don’t think Campo would have been able to get the job done. I think Ron Washington is Dave Campo. Nice guy. Good assistant coach. But not manager material. That decision he made last night to pull Young was idiotic. I turned to the guy next to me and said, “Young must be hurt because you don’t pull Young back with the bases loaded. Period.” Just like Wash manages from his gut, I kneejerk from my gut and my gut tells me that the tribe has spoken and it’s time for Wash to go back to New Orleans.

"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo

by kentbenfer on Apr 18, 2009 3:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

another question about last night

It seems kinda minor, but unexplainable at the same time. With Murphy and Byrd in the OF together, why in the world would you put Murphy in CF?

If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???

surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.

by tricer on Apr 18, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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