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Evan Grant with some comments/thoughts

Evan Grant offers some thoughts and comments on the Rangers' situation and the aftermath of last night's game.

The most eye-opening is the suggestion that Thomas Diamond may be up here sooner rather than later -- as in, possibly Tuesday's game against Toronto.

Diamond was, of course, pegged as a Guy To Watch this spring, someone who had support from folks in the organization and who was looked at as a possible candidate to open the season in the pen.

He had a very disappointing spring, and was never really in the mix, but given where things stand now, it sounds like we could be seeing him in the near future.

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slightly OT

looks like the caption is back where it doesn’t belong.

Back to the topic at hand:

So, he pitches terribly for all fo his ST innings, but then might get a chance because of 3 IP of good ball in Triple A? Is it really justifiable to call on him instead of Turnbow? Obviously, you cant’ look at stats here and need to actually see where the pitchers are with their pitches.

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by ab03 on Apr 18, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

?
looks like the caption is back where it doesn’t belong.

Huh?

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

he’s saying he liked the captions better when they were hidden until you put the cursor over the picture.

by TXRangersFan on Apr 18, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That only happens

on landscape style photos

www.mavsmoneyball.com

by Wes Cox on Apr 18, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

a shame

although this is technically a landscape photo (width is larger than the height)

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by ab03 on Apr 18, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh
Those 10 pitchers have allowed 51 of the Rangers free bases in a total of 66.1 innings pitched. Those 10 have a composite .426 opponents on-base percentage.

Can we still blame small sample size?

by akuykenda on Apr 18, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Why not Vaughn?
scoreless five innings, featuring one hit, one walk, and seven strikeouts

I would have to guess the scouts aren’t that high on him? Too young? Too raw?

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by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Too Wash

he’d still put in guys like eddie or rupe over him in tough situations.

this is what i do...i guarantee.

by Longhorn on Apr 18, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vaughan

He’s not on the 40, but if they decide to get rid of Rupe (who’s out of options), Vaughan could just take Rupe’s 40 man spot.

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Apr 18, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Diamond? no way.

I think you’ll see Mathis, mendoza, gordon or vaughan before Diamond, and maybe Moscoso or Strop before him. and then Turnbow if he figures it out. and perhaps even hunter later on. What has diamond done to deserve a promotion?

by Goyogringo on Apr 18, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Regardless of who deserves a promotion...

…the decision on who actually gets promoted depends a lot on the organization’s opinion of that player, and how they feel the player is going to do.

Diamond appears to have a lot more support within the organization than any of the guys you listed.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I think that is debatable

That support certainly didn’t materialize when he was quickly reassigned to minor league camp and subsequently converted into a reliever in the minors. That was also an arugment you floated for Rupe, however, Wash intimated that he would not have been kept on the roster if Eyre/and or Nippert were healthy.

by Goyogringo on Apr 18, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rupe

Yes, that was an argument I floated with Rupe. That’s why he’s still here, and Kam Loe is gone, and Wes Littleton is gone, and Mendoza got sent to minor league camp right away, and Mathis was dropped from the 40 man roster this offseason, and Vaughan and Gordon and Moscoso and Strop weren’t ever even seriously considered for the 25 man roster this season.

Rupe came into camp with a bullpen job being his to lose, and he’s been doing his very best to lose it since camp started with his performance.

And yeah, Eyre also falls in the category of having support within the organization, which is why he was put on the 40 man roster and is why as soon as he was healthy he was activated, even though he could have been optioned.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

bleh

no necessary correspondence between any of those moves (save for Gordon, but then who cares) and reputed “support” for Rupe, support meaning, “despite all evidence to the contrary we still like Rupe”. Littleton and Loe sucked, “support” for Mendoza is as a starter, “support” for Mathis is as a long-reliever/spot-starter in AAA (depth) etc… Eyre’s “support” during spring training has to do with his placement on the 40 and everything to do with the fact that he beat Rupe out. He wouldve been dropped if he sucked. Vaughan, Moscoso and Strop didn’t merit a chance as each needed innings and Strop didn’t start pitching until 2 weeks before ST.

by Goyogringo on Apr 18, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also
Wash intimated that he would not have been kept on the roster if Eyre/and or Nippert were healthy.

I don’t think Wash has a ton of say right now about who is on the roster. Particularly when it comes to pitchers…I think he’s about 5th or 6th in the pecking order when it comes to deciding who is on the pitching staff.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wash intimated this

not because his does not understand his faux commander in chief status but because he was in the meeting where that was the sentiment.

by Goyogringo on Apr 18, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

choices

Mendoza and Mathis – They probably want to keep them as starters.
Vaughan – Must not have much confidence in him since they just sent him down to Frisco.
Moscoso – Still in AA.
Strop – Not on 40. It is probably too early to commit a spot to him before…
Gordon – not on 40. Really is a nonprospect but Rangers may want to give him a shot.
Turnbow – Most experienced option. They may want ot give him a chance in order to let the others get some more AAA innings under thier belt.

Given those choices I think Ron Washington would go with Turnbow.

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by RangerMad on Apr 18, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be surprised

if RW had zero input into roster moves. It may not be direct input, but RW should at least be communicating with JD enough that JD knows which players down in OKC Ron has an interest in.

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by RangerMad on Apr 18, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any chance

Vaughan got sent to Frisco so the big club could get a better look? His numbers belie a demotion.

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by scoop16 on Apr 18, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

seems a little odd

but stranger things have happened with Rangers pitching. Guy’s older and hardly spectacular but at this point I’m ready to move Rupe, Guardado, and maybe Erye all. Give Vaughn, Gordon, and Diamond a chance. Can they fail worse?

by Hull Fan on Apr 18, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Frisco comes in 5th

In the Top 10 Ballpakrs in the minor leagues according to Baseball America

by octoberty on Apr 18, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

yep

if only he would have signed with TX, but we have bigger problems that can’t be fixed with 1 pitcher.

The "Fire Wash Watch" is on. I say he's gone by April 26th.

by NothinG on Apr 18, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he was signed by Texas

our pitching coaches would find a way to make him a 4.5 ERA pitcher.

"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris

by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which would make

him the best pitcher here in the last few seasons.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you doubt

that Johan Santana would be the best pitcher seen here in quite a few seasons?

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by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

but I think he could be if he pitched with a glove on both hands.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

DVD

it would be nice to see Diamond succeed with the Rangers, so the DVD combo didn’t go all to crap for us. At least we’ll see some pitching dividends. (i’m not counting the Josh Hamilton return of course)

The "Fire Wash Watch" is on. I say he's gone by April 26th.

by NothinG on Apr 18, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

bmac?

Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder

by ab03 on Apr 18, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, I remember

when I first found Newberg’s site and all everyone could talk about was DVD. Think that was back in ’04…

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem – once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971

by TxStCa on Apr 18, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

14 runs for the Indians in the 2nd against the Yankees

1 hit shy of a record for an inning. Another horrible start for the big Wang.

by octoberty on Apr 18, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

new yankee stadium

the ball just flys out of that place it seems

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by rentz on Apr 18, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

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