Holland is here, Rupe DFA'd
by boomer1 on Apr 18, 2009 3:14 PM CDT
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Per Evan Grant Holland is up and Rupe has been DFA'd. So it begins, one has to wonder when Happy Happy gets a call up. I would much rather lose while the kids get their learning curve out of the way this year. This is an exciting time to be a Rangers fan after that debacle last night. Now we are left wondering when the hammer drops on Wash. I really don't think Washington last through next week.
UPDATE BY AJM -- Z has a write-up on Holland at the DMN blog.
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Shit.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 18, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And...
if Holland was called up to be in the ’pen why not get rid of Eddie?
I hate this. You don’t rush a guy who is one of the future pieces of the team to try and save the ’pen. I absolutely hate this move. He needs to be starting in OKC for at least a couple more months.
If Wash has anything to do with this in trying to save his job then fuck him. Fire him right now. Although I think it’s more likely Nolan and JD’d decision and I’m not happy about it at all.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 18, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Coach Washington inspires me to be an hero.
by lonestarJon on Apr 18, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, that was a little quick,
does he go right into the rotation or are they gonna use him as a bullpen piece for now.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Apr 18, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like the Bullpen
With Rupe going down
That's not hail you see in Frisco....that just Justin Smoak's Home Runs coming back into orbit....
by Smoak Some on Apr 18, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be my guess as well
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 18, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to be.
I am stunned. Read via twitter, booted up computer and came straight here. Holy shit.
by FuturePants on Apr 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not very happy about this
seems like a knee jerk reaction to me. I would prefer to see Holland get 3 or 4 more starts in AAA
by laxtonto on Apr 18, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well we will see
I’m kind of glad to see him. After that train wreck last night they are atleast showing that if you can’t pitch you will be replaced.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 18, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY SHIT. WOW.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HOLY CRAP! Wasn't expecting that today...
Guess the new era is here.
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
by rangers85 on Apr 18, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Rupe will be claimed?
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 18, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not unless his mother is in the bidding.. he sucks
Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.
by BigGuns on Apr 18, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't care
if he is.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not
Nolan has said that his preference is to start Holland and Feliz in the pen this year. Rupe had nothing left, which is sad. There was a point last season when I thought that guy might have it in him to step up and be an 8th inning guy. The Old School Brotha, though, wore that guy out and he had nothing this year. Last night, I was there and Rupe was just serving it up for the Royals.
"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo
by kentbenfer on Apr 18, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Feels way too early.
Am I wrong to absolutely not trust Wash with Holland right now?
Are we going to need to rewrite to Joba rules for RW?
by Keynes on Apr 18, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
x
Are we going to need to rewrite to Joba rules for RW?
Yes.
Or just fire him and find someone that knows how to handle a staff…
by N41D on Apr 18, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which was the logical extension of my question
in that, if you do have to write out exactly how to use Holland, and in doing so give another hat to JD/Nolan, doesn’t that pretty much write off Washington completely?
Also worried about Holland’s innings management. Wish he could use this year to build towards 200 ML innings next year.
Actually praying someone puts in a tape of Price in the playoffs last year as the template to use Holland for a while, then kick Anna & Kris out of Arlington.
by Keynes on Apr 18, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benson will be gone soon enough..
I’d venture to guess once Derek proves he can handle this jump from the pen, and they get far enough into the season that they feel like they can get his inning totals where they want them, they’ll transition him right back to the rotation…
by N41D on Apr 18, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big fan of this move
Seems like we are desperate to get something going. Even if he is going into the bullpen, I would have like to see him work some more in AAA getting some starts then coming up at the Break, but i guess its time.
I guess the question is is whats going to be his role in the pen? Are they going to get him in a lot of games or not? Blowout wins/losses or close games? Long relief or 7/8/9 guy?
That's not hail you see in Frisco....that just Justin Smoak's Home Runs coming back into orbit....
by Smoak Some on Apr 18, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...
no doubt they are desperate. Looks like jobs are on the line.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Apr 18, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exceptttttttttt
I don’t think Nolan’s job is on the line, and he would have probably had the last say in this.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exceptttttt
I think you are totally correct in this matter. Lets get them up and see what happens.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Apr 18, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does this affect his service time?
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Starts the clock, for sure.
Cue Marissa Tomei from My Cousin Vinny.
by Keynes on Apr 18, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Apr 18, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some answers to Holland questions
I’ve posted a few, including the service time issue. He won’t be free until 2015.
by Evan Grant on Apr 18, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Holland send out a tweet to announce this?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only cj's tweets get reported on
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Apr 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, my mistake
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Begins ticking now
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
by rangers85 on Apr 18, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean do we get seven or six years?
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
I would like to know this as well.
Anyone?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 18, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they needed to keep guys in the minors for 3 weeks
total during the season. If he comes up now, I don’t think it’s out of the question that he’ll get sent down at some point during the season.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
though...
…by missing the first two weeks i believe it pushes back his arbitration eligibilty by a year… the same thing they refused to do to elvis.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Apr 18, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Isn’t likely to have any impact on his arbitration eligibility.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't usually disagree with ya...
but i’m pretty sure about that one.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Apr 18, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's almost a lock to be a Super 2
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true.
but i thought thursday was the deadline regarding service time.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Apr 18, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is
It impacts his free agency eligibility, not arbitration.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That involves free agency, rather than arbitration.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like this
the pear is not yet ripe
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Apr 18, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh no...
I fear another Volquez situation…and on the other end of the spectrum, David Price. This reeks of RW trying to save his job and Nolan trying to get butt’s in the seats (“The New Era of Ranger Baseball is Here”). I’m scared.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem – once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
by TxStCa on Apr 18, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Way too soon
don’t let Wash’s desperation rule your roster management JD
Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.
by FirebatM3 on Apr 18, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scenario?
JD: Wash, any last request before we lock the meeting room door and decide your fate?
Wash: Yeah, give me some talent. Don’t judge me by the meatballs you put on this roster.
I want Holland – NOW!!
by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm picturing it like the scene in Elf
where Andy Richter pitches the idea of hiring another writer. Only sadder and scarier and with more Wash-speak instead of English.
by Keynes on Apr 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAH DANIELS ASS IS ON THE LINE TOO!
by oc on Apr 18, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I’m not sure if I agree with this move or not but it seems like a lot of you are over-reacting to the news. If his fastball velocity is 95ish and his off-speed stuff is as good as advertised, he should be fine.
by hiafex on Apr 18, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
Lots of overreacting. People baby these rookies too much,. If you’re going to suck, you may as well bring them up so they can learn against real hitters. If they’re so mentally weak they can’t handle that, they were going to fail anyway. Fuck it.
And bringing a rookie up to pitch is supposed to save the manager’s job? HOW? Rookies usually struggle. That’s what they do. Front office knows that.
by Black Francis on Apr 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I second this
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 18, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some said a 20 yo SS wasn't ready yet
Apples and oranges I know but…
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 18, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This provided to my thought process
If the rookie has the right mental capacity then he should be able to succeed.
by hiafex on Apr 18, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree totally!
How often have we had true blue-chip, front line prospects, with awesome stuff and terrific makeup? Guys like that, future “aces,” don’t need to be coddled. You say, “Hell kid, we believe in you. Now go kick some ass.”
The only pitcher we’ve ever had with this kind of up-side is Kevin Brown, and he was a college guy.
The A’s have an idea of how to handle the Hollands and Felizs of the world…you stick them in your rotation, particularly if there’s nothing better to offer. Better than spending money on a bunch of shitty free-agent retreads.
by Bats and Balls on Apr 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
I would have rather seen Diamond or Moscoso, but I’m totally okay with this. Rupe, at minimum, had to go.
Holland was going to be here sooner rather than later anyway, and I’d be willing to bet at least one spot in the rotation is open before long as well.
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by Wes Cox on Apr 18, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AND I AM SUDDENLY INTERESTED IN BUYING TICKETS TO TONIGHTS GAME!
by oc on Apr 18, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
same
I really wish I could go
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm there.
Hope he gets to pitch and shuts the Royals down….
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem – once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
by TxStCa on Apr 18, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no shit.
the pain I had from realizing both Holland AND Feliz wouldn’t be in Frisco to start the year is starting to become the # 1 reason I have to make my first trip out to TBiA
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Apr 19, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much longer till Feliz is called up?
Any guesses?
by hiafex on Apr 18, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How much longer till Diamond and Moscoso are called up?
Eddie is officially on notice.
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
by Ajax68 on Apr 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet they give Diamond a little longer
considering he’s coming off surgery. Not sure on Moscoso.
-- Micah
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I'm a fan, and I'm a girl, but please don't call me a fangirl.
by baseballismyboyfriend on Apr 18, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that
he sucks
I had a secret meeting in the basement of my brain.
by red shoe ranger on Apr 18, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem there is
you have to assume they want to keep two lefties in the pen, and I think it’s safe to assume Holland’s only in there for a month or so. Which means, unless Gabbard or Pirate get and keep their stuff together in the interim, Eddie may be safe.
Or would they slide Harrison into the pen?
by Keynes on Apr 18, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is that safe to assume?
I can see Holland staying in the bullpen until at least the AS break
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone will need to step into the rotation before then,
and I’d bet Holland has first dibs.
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by Wes Cox on Apr 18, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if...
he keeps pitching the way he has been out of the ‘pen he won’t.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 18, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Feldman gets the first shot
Feldman for Benson and then you re-evaluate when an injury comes up. Holland should only be in the rotation when you have a long-term need and I don’t see that happening anytime soon. McCarthy is looking good, Millwood and Padila aren’t going anywhere for better or worse, and Harrison shouldn’t be kicked out of the rotation anytime soon.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A guy who can eat innings and keep you in the ballgame
7 out of 10 starts.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A solid innings eater that can handle a back of the rotation slot
I just don’t think he works well out of the bullpen.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5.18 ERA and .280 BAA last season...
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, that’s appealing to some… SMH
Even as a starter last year, he was very, very mediocre…
by N41D on Apr 18, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all
For a Rangers pitcher, a 5.18 ERA ain’t too shabby if you are making it past 5 innings every 5 days. Feldman was in his first year as a starter since college with completely different mechanics and throwing more innings than ever before. I saw plenty of promise in what he was doing last season and don’t see why we should be less patient with him than any other starter. Then again, there are people that want to cut Matt Harrison too.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its probably appealing to some
because thats better than 3 pitchers in the rotation now, Padilla, Benson, and Harrison.
While his ERA might be .2 higher than Padilla’s has been since he has been a ranger, his Quality start percentage is higher. I think Feldman could easily be comparable to what we’ve got out of Padilla.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's still not any good...
And it’s still not anything that’s gonna get this team over the hump…
Long-term, Scott Feldman isn’t a starting pitcher on a quality playoff team…
by N41D on Apr 18, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
Long-term, Scott Feldman isn’t a starting pitcher on a quality playoff team…
I don’t think you can say that definitively.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
isnt Feldman a number 4 or 5 on a playoff team? he eats innings and throws strikes for the most part? if Feldman is your #5 with 4 quality guys in front of him I think your doing ok
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman throws less strikes than your average starting pitcher
by Telegraph on Apr 18, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I just don't think he's any good...
Nothing about his stuff is overwhelming… Puts a lot of runners on base, doesn’t strike people out… I just don’t see what the fascination with him is…
The rest of our pitching staff being extremely sub-par doesn’t change the fact that Scott Feldman isn’t a very good pitcher…
by N41D on Apr 18, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the rest of our rotation isn't good, it doesn't mean that Scott Feldman is good. Agreed.
That doesn’t mean that this team couldn’t use a pitcher like Feldman in the rotation. There isn’t any fascination with him on my part where I believe he is an ace pitcher. I just think that we are too ready to write off a 26 year old just because we are so ready to see Holland, Feliz, etc. in the rotation.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeebers.
Look up the performance of 5th starters on playoff teams in the last 5 years…and then get back with me.
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by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, his upside is a 5th starter
So what? That kind of 5th starter can be picked up for a minor league deal every offseason. You don’t worry about keeping them.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
in that I think he realistically will be a #5, but his upside has to be as high as a #3
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The eagerness with which folks...
…seem willing to discard Feldman continues to astonish me.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt say we should discard him
because our staff sucks and hes still among the 12 bet pitchers. and it will probably remain that way for a while.
but the guy is not a talent worthy of much wringing of hands about him being snubbed from the rotation.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have misunderstood this
That kind of 5th starter can be picked up for a minor league deal every offseason. You don’t worry about keeping them.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ineed you ddid
im not worried about keeping him. later in the season if we have brought up diamond/moscoso and need room to bring up feliz or whatever I wouldn’t care at all about putting him through waivers to get him off the 40.
but that doens’t mean we should make any kind of effort to get rid of him just to do it. i don’t want to “discard” him specifically.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except he's not going to clear waivers
You either have to trade him or let him get claimed. There are 3-4 teams right now that would claim him on waivers and plug him into their rotation.
And this is sort of my point…the idea that a guy who was converted to starting and was serviceable in the rotation last year, this is a guy people see fine with just giving away if it comes down to it, doesn’t make sense to me.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are these teams?
That you are sure would claim someone with a 12 era now because he had a 5.3 era last season?
He might get claimed, but I don’t think its any kind of lock. But ok, I wouldn’t care if we traded him for a minor prospect to clear space.
Obviously you don’t think people should be fine with losing him. Fine. You see the run he had midseason in the rotation and believe him in him. But you don’t see how I can see a 5.12 career ERA, 132:102 K:BB ratio, unimpressive stuff and say that IF, and I repeat IF, the rangers get into a situation where they need his roster spot that I’d be ok with risking (and I dont think its a sure thing) losing him?
For gods sake just yesterday you were saying you see no future in matt harrison, I cant see no future in scott feldman?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see no future in Matt Harrison?
did AJM really say that?
If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???
surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.
by tricer on Apr 18, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not in those exact words.
but the outlook was not positive. yesterdays GDT.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to go back and look at what I said
I hate nibbling lefty pitchers. If Harrison is going to pussyfoot around like that and keep throwing backdoor breaking balls a foot off the plate once he gets to 0-2, he’s not going to stick.
Harrison doesn’t seem all that different to me that Feldman, really. A guy who doesn’t miss many bats and who is a #4/#5 starter if he keeps his walks under control.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference
is that Harrison is a lefty and 23 years old. If he gains control – something pitchers do figure out – he could be a lot more useful.
Feldman is a righty and 26. He’s still young, but not a raw kid anymore. (let me just preemptively say I don’t care to the “he’s just learning how to start / a new style / blah blah blah”)
So even if they are identical right now, Harrison at least has potential. Feldman, I think what we see is what we get.
by JBImaknee on Apr 18, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that being a pretty big thing to just not care about
The whole, we’re going to convert you from a sidearm RP to an overhand SP thing is pretty big. Do you not think its an excuse for prospects when they are dealing with new mechanics?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simply changing mechanics
isn’t sufficient for me to bump you up in prospect status for me.
I’m all for giving a guy a break because he’s learning something new. And I’m happy Feldman got to the point he’s even worth arguing about. But he’s been a mediocre, inconsistent pitcher who has shown some flashes of goodness. I don’t see why I’m supposed to believe that he’s going to suddenly become consistent.
by JBImaknee on Apr 18, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I should point out
I don’t think this team is winning anything this year, and think they should stick with Feldman just to see if maybe he does become consistent. Just like Harrison. Neither should be bumped off this team unless they are sitting with an ERA >7 in August or something.
by JBImaknee on Apr 18, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying bump up his prospect status
I’m saying be more patient with him and to see the potential for him to be a solid back of the rotation starter for the Rangers.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those teams?
Right now, of the top of my head:
Anaheim
Baltimore
Washington
It is a slam dunk he’s claimed by one of those teams.
And I just don’t see how you can suggest that getting a 5.12 ERA from a #4 or #5 starter is of so little value that you’d be willing to dump that guy for a waiver claim price or another Michael Hernandez.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a point of clarification
The Rangers decide tomorrow to call up Feliz and put him in the pen, and put Feldman on waivers to make room for him.
You are fine with that? Think that’s a good move?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think
we are ever going to have a 5 better than that, or if you think that WS teams don’t have 5s worse than that, you probably should put the crack pipe down.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just judging by Nolan's comments about
‘starting’ Holland in the pen, plus I’m thinking it’s pretty safe to asume Benson’s continued suck. Or a McCarthy injury. Or amplified Harrison suck.
But yeah, you’re right. Holland could well stay in the pen until July, which probably means thigns are going well, which is a good thing.
by Keynes on Apr 18, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another question
Wasn’t Holland suppose to be starting tonight? Why not get him another start in the minors and then bring him up? He went 12 days between starts (from end of Spring Training to first start in AAA) and it seemed to affect him, now we are delaying him pitching again…it just seems like its hurting his development for this year
That's not hail you see in Frisco....that just Justin Smoak's Home Runs coming back into orbit....
by Smoak Some on Apr 18, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This team has FF and JJ in the bullpen and that's about it
He’ll get his innings.
by hiafex on Apr 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this move
As long as Holland consistently gets innings under his belt this is bound to be a better proving ground than AAA. I don’t think it’s necessarily bad for him to start in the bullpen and then step into the rotation at the first injury.
by bstair on Apr 18, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with it.
Much like Andrus, I don’t think he’s ready, but I should also hope I’m not as knowledgable on the subject as the Rangers. If they’re making the wrong decision, we’ll find out and they never should have been running a team, anyway. If they should be, he’s probably ready.
I have no problem at all with starting players in the pen. It’s worked plenty of times in history, it gets him controlled big league experience and helps limit his innings (and helps our bullpen). If he does well enough, they can try him in the rotation.
by philkid3 on Apr 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like starting his service clock, though.
by philkid3 on Apr 18, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if he stays up the entire time
they’ve already gotten the extra year right? it doesn’t take much to get it, you only wait 2+ months t o not have to pay them arbitration for one of the years.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they?
It’s 172 days, right? How many days are left?
by philkid3 on Apr 18, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure
but I think it would be pretty easy by the team to option him back to the minors to stretch him back out for the rotation. Give him a start or two in OKC and you’ll also make sure to get that extra year at that time.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
im not so sure hes ready but i dont have a huge problem with him breaking in with the pen (long man i assume).
id prefer he get more aaa time though and show more there
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Apr 18, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he did hold his own in Spring Training
That's not hail you see in Frisco....that just Justin Smoak's Home Runs coming back into orbit....
by Smoak Some on Apr 18, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all that
I did a double take when I saw it posted, but I think he’ll handle it as well as Andrus. Neither of those guys is Edinson Volquez, personality wise. I’m surprised, but excited.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double take. Definitely what I did.
When I saw EG’s post, I seriously freaked out. But it was more out of shock, not anger.
by philkid3 on Apr 18, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright
let’s do this…
Omar Vizquel: your starting shortstop for the 2009 AL all-star team.
by gossamer on Apr 18, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is all i gotta say
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Apr 18, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dshep
need to edit your Feliz/Holland bumper sticker to scratch out 2010, put 2009
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem – once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
by TxStCa on Apr 18, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't like this one bit
I really felt he needed most of this season in AAA. Let him build some momentum down there. This reeks of desperation to sell tickets.
by Sherman McCoy on Apr 18, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yep, I agree
I think the Rangers are afraid of completely losing the fan base
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is momentum going to do for him exactly?
by hiafex on Apr 18, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes him harder to stop.
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
by Ajax68 on Apr 18, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After 3 minutes of thought
I’ve realized that this means the Rangers are trying to win right now. Holland is the one guy there who has the potential to be a very effective arm in the bullpen (sorry, Diamond). This is a move to win.
Which means that Washington is gone on Monday.
by JBImaknee on Apr 18, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think it points to Wash being gone on Monday?
by bstair on Apr 18, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could you not... I was expecting something drastic.
I mean three Aprils of this crap?
by oc on Apr 18, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The objective and analytically side of me says
That the call up is too soon, and made for very questionable reasons.
The fan side of me, however
by Telegraph on Apr 18, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
He’s pretty much the biggest callup since ??? Can’t say I won’t be excited the first time he comes in.
by Sherman McCoy on Apr 18, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see what you got Derek...
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
by rangers85 on Apr 18, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Linky.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem – once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
by TxStCa on Apr 18, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fail.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem – once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
by TxStCa on Apr 18, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does someone actually get paid to write this??
“Holland, 22, began the season in the Triple-A Oklahoma City rotation and allowed four runs in four innings. He was 2-0 with a 3.97 ERA in five relief appearances. "
Does this confuse anyone else?
by Bigfan16 on Apr 18, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are those his Spring Training numbers?
He pitched for quite a while with the big club and I think he was coming out of the bullpen. Otherwise that’s just massive fail.
by Hull Fan on Apr 18, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as much as i dread we are bringing him up too soon
i am also very excited to see what he can do. if we arent competitive this summer, at least seeing elvis and holland get significant action will make this team fun to watch
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Apr 18, 2009 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holland over Diamond
You put Diamond in the Rangers’ pen now and you might end any short to medium term chance of him remaining a starter.
Holland isn’t closing any such doors by going into the pen, he’s just opening doors a little sooner than expected.
Could be the thinking here.
by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
Diamond will be up this year in the pen, IF he pitches well. I guess we should have known Holland was 1st on the list by the fact that he was the last minor leaguer to pitch meaningful innings in spring training.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Holland is just better
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upside: He has the chance to help the club all season, while keeping his innings under 150. Could definitely see him move into the rotation later in the season.
Downside: I have to think that the development of his change and slider will suffer some. I hope he doesn’t throw his arm out in relief. Fewer innings sounds great, but relievers get hurt A LOT.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than starters?
That would be an interesting study.. thats probably already been done.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't mean to say that
I just meant that fewer innings is no guarantee that you’ll protect your prized arm. Relief innings can be higher octane. I did see Durrett say that he will be used in long relief, which seems like a good thing in that regard. Adrenaline shouldn’t be as crazy high night after night.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darren Oliver
Johnny Oates moved him from the bullpen — where he was lights out when he first arrived — to the rotation because of Oliver’s history of arm problems.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
relievers
im guessing they might get injured more because the come in and throw hard sometimes on back to back days, where a starter doesnt throw 100% hard all game?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Apr 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very much. And
set days off to workout (legs), and a set schedule of when they are pitching.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Innings under 150?
I guess you mean because his usage will be less scheduled in the bullpen.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. He threw 150 last season, plus a few postseason starts. This year he’ll presumably pitch through September, so a couple of months of relief (and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s all it winds up being) could keep him there.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His Change is already good
if he uses his slider as his second pitch it would be beneficial. If he favors the change, detrimental.
by Goyogringo on Apr 18, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See? Work with me here ...
I’m trying to steer clear of settling on the words ‘desperation move’ when thinking about this.
I wanna think there’s a plan – some deep thought behind the move.
by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deep thought
Holland is good, better than Diamond, better than Rupe.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
There is a plan, but it is Nolan Ryan’s plan. I guess we’ll just have to see if he knows what he’s doing.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
and I still think Diamond stays in the pen and that’s all he ever does if/when he gets to Arlington.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bridge to the A-ball arms
is a few years long. Diamond could eat some innings as a starter until they arrive, sorta like Hurley. I think it would worry me to see his options culled bang like that. I hope Diamond starts tonight for OKC and continues in the rotation – and successfully so.
by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could be a swing man or back end guy,
but I think they’ll trade for or sign a starter to lead the kids for 2010. I think they’ll make a real run at someone like Halladay. They are being very aggressive in setting up for 2010 with Andrus, in bringing up Holland, and it seems likely that Feliz, Diamond and maybe a couple of others will get their feet wet at some point. I think that aggressiveness will include a wow trade for a top of the rotation guy.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Diamond really capable of being a starter?
Other than Trip, I don’t think a lot of folks see it.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm ready to close the book
on Diamond’s tragic-comic breaking ball eipic as a starter and move him to the pen. Let him be a FB/Change guy so that he only needs to worry about his FB command now…
by Goyogringo on Apr 18, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that this has been rec'd
It’ll be missed by many.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that it has been front paged
It won’t be missed by any.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still a little befuddled by this move
why now? I have no problem dfa’ing Rupe but Holland? All ready? Man, I hope this doesn’t backfire. I’d almost rather he be in the rotation than back in the bullpen but man.
by Hull Fan on Apr 18, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its hard to see it backfiring
It might not work out, but I don’t think you ruin his development by giving him some innings out of the ML bullpen.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you.
Befuddled.
What did Holland show in OKC during his one start and 4 ip?
Do we need a lefty so much more than rhp? Why not try Gabbard or Matthis and give the kid some time in AAA?
If this is the guy you want in the pen then why not start the season with him?
What has changed from the plan we started the season with only a few weeks ago?
by Bigfan16 on Apr 18, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point...
Holland hasn’t shown enough at AAA yet, but what have Gabbard or Mathis ever really shown? I’d be ok if I never saw either of them pitching for the Rangers again
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Apr 18, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the other options suck
Gabbard is still not completely healthy or pitching well.
Mathis just got lit up.
Diamond, I think they’re still worried about health wise and don’t want to disrupt him till they know for sure.
Mossaco, again innings are the key and they don’t want a repeat of Madrigal, when leaving him down for half a season might prevent those issues.
Strop, see above.
So the choices were Vaughn, Holland, and Gordon. Since those two are both journeymen, they decided to go with Dutch. I just hope he’s okay. Hawkins in the bullpen makes me feel better about this than otherwise, but they better have seven more years of control rather than six. That will piss me off if not the case.
by Hull Fan on Apr 18, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gabbard?
are you nuts? I saw the reincarnation of Gabbard last night in the form of Matt Harrison..UGLYYY…..
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Holland move right into the rotation..
once one of the starters fails or gets injured. Or is he still 2 or 3 replacements away from making the rotation? Not sure if I want him in the bullpen for the whole year.
by Houston27 on Apr 18, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's just April call-ups, no big deal
by Maltalahoppia on Apr 18, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Screen name
is that like Italian for Mott the Hoople?
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apropos for this topic
‘All the Young Dudes’
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Apr 18, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
this is fun to watch.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Least we arn't opening a 1.6 billion stadium
getting schallacked by the Indians.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem – once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
by TxStCa on Apr 18, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY Indians!! That's what the Yanks get for giving them small pox.
Sick bastards.
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 18, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, nice!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too sure how I feel yet...
but at least this gives me some reason to watch the game, even if it’s emotionally scaring rape like last night
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Apr 18, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Possibly being in the house for Holland’s first appearance makes me feel better about being at the Ranger game while the Mavs open the playoffs.
by jthig32 on Apr 18, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it
Some reasons I have read to go against it-Comparing him to Volquez and giving up too soon….I think we are past that now. I don’t see that happening….Nolan would not let that happen. I am excited to see him pitch this year, and get acclimated to the big leagues. Four more starts in triple A aren’t going to make or break this guys ability to be succesful in the bigs.
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone throw up a TVAnt stream tonight
for those of us out of market?
Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.
by FirebatM3 on Apr 18, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
these are the times
i hate living in houston. I would love to go out to the game tonight and possibly see Holland get in an inning
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in Minnesota
if I knew this was going to happen, there’s probably a 20% chance I made the drive.
Marcus Lemon is the Third Baseman/Leadoff Hitter of the future.
by FirebatM3 on Apr 18, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the times I hated living in Houston
were all of them
by Maltalahoppia on Apr 18, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless
you lived like a king in Bellaire where AJM lives
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bellaire is nice
The best part is that I think those homes only go for like 500k (i’m sure there’s a bunch of exceptions).
by Coolbean04 on Apr 18, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only 500K
maybe that sounds good if you live in Cali or New York, but in Tx, thats freaking expensive as shit
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check here, FbM3.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't planning on going tonite
but not I damn sure am now and tomorrow if he doesn’t pitch tonite.
by CRUSHDAVIS on Apr 18, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
got tickets for tomorrow!!!
rooting for a nice long outing by Millwood tonight so Dutch picthes tomorrow.
by death of the cool on Apr 18, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see I am in the same boat. I really want to see Holland tonite but I want even more for Millwood to keep going like he has been
by CRUSHDAVIS on Apr 18, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect scenario
Millwood goes 7 and leaves with a 12-1 lead. Holland gets the last two innings as his red carpet to the big leagues.
by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow..
Before I came here i was writing down the rosters for OKC so that I could create them on my MLB2K and I noticed Holland wasn’t there.
Of course I though it was just a misprint until I came here…
I am shocked.
by death of the cool on Apr 18, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who can we DFA for Feliz??? Let's keep this shit rolling.
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 18, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eddie
We have 2 lefties now, so Eddie can go.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Hey Eddie wanna coach?"
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 18, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or manage
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 18, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
haha
I can see the headline now
“Guardado shifted to managers role, Washington DFA’d”
by Sherman McCoy on Apr 18, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just have wash put all the names of the bullpen in your hat....
shit! don’t do that…with his luck he will pull out frankie.
by death of the cool on Apr 18, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I take my son to the museum, and this happens.
See if I ever leave my computer again.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps you should leave again
And see what other shoe might drop
by bstair on Apr 18, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I support this idea
Obviously you need to get out of the house more often Adam. Take the kids to the IMAX tomorrow.
by Hull Fan on Apr 18, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sold your son
To a museum ? Bring Seth back!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 18, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it the natural history museum?
If so, you might have seen Josh Rupe
by Telegraph on Apr 18, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let clean house
Get rid of JJ, CJ, Wash, Murphy, Byrd, Benson and Omar. Flush this shit out and let the kids start playing.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Apr 18, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CJ is waaaaaay down the list of rangers problems.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Murphy, Byrd, CJ, Jennings…clearly they are worthless and have no value.
And we don’t need a utility infielder — let all the infielders play all game every game, and release Omar.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That snake needs spayed...
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yes
Finally the front office has some balls.
Please quit with the “it’s too soon!”
He is not some pussy like Matt Harrison who is gonna cry out there. Atleast I hope not.
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 18, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
quick, is he a lefty or righty?
Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder
by ab03 on Apr 18, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The button under Nolan's seat at the ballpark...fully engaged last night.
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 18, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think a picture
of an airsickness bag would be closer to the truth.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ta Da!!
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 18, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sh!t has hit the fan, folks!
I love this move and it proves that upper management seriously wants to win now.
Wash better start packing his boxes btw.
Shoot first, ask questions later.
by idinh on Apr 18, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holland to the rotation at some point
How long? Benson, the clock is ticking. Or Harrison, I guess. I’m guessing Holland is in the rotation before my birthday (June 30) unless he struggles badly.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Millwood and BMac
Both waaaay over due for a stint on the DL. And how many more suckfests is Harrison allowed?
by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UGH
I was just mad about last night. He pitched scared the whole time after his first strike. I was at the game and it was one reason I left after the top of the fourth. That and my squirmy two year old, bored five year old, and upset 7 year old.
by bstair on Apr 18, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am struggling to see
how this call up has Washington’s job expiration date on it. Someone earlier said by Monday. Not that I don’t think Wash might need to go but why the connection with this move?
by bstair on Apr 18, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well first they are gonna try the
Use some people with actual talent approach.
Then if they still suck, they can point to the manager as the one who is at fault, and misusing that talent
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 18, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greatness SGY.
Well first they are gonna try the “Use some people with actual talent approach.”
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that they are conected
but if the Royals sweep, he’s gone
by Maltalahoppia on Apr 18, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this move buys Washington a little time
but not much.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 18, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it's the top of the 5th.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our record
is in jeopardy…please just let us keep that
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
surpass it
Yankees opening the stadium… score 50
by bstair on Apr 18, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt this slump will last,
but it would be so nice to see the Yankees fail miserably after dumping half a billion dollars on free agents.
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 18, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA, Joe Buck just assumed that we had to score that 30 at home.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the best thing
joe buck has ever done is make the call on Kenny Powers ninth inning world series save
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it annoys me
that nobody corrected him
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derosa has gotten his ops to respectable levels in that game
yay.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
iphone mlb app
highlights are blacked out? are you kidding me?
god i hate blackouts, and fox saturday baseball is the worst of all of them.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol that is so lame
you can’t even watch highlights? I just checked — that is incredibly stupid.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is especially lame
that Fox hasn’t switched to the 5-5 game in Chicago. FOX and MLB SUCK.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
I see Nolan’s fingerprints all over this. Did you see his posture last night as we were getting waxed? He made the mention earlier this year about Holland starting in the pen and after last night he said, F it, I’m not watching that shit anymore. Just my humble opinion.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 18, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Off to the game, you guys have a great night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 18, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So
is the new Yankee Stadium a launching pad, or does there pitching staff just SUCK?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Launching pad,
the ball flys out of right like crazy.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
the Cowboys have a better showing in there new stadium than the Yankees have so far
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was tonight
hollands night to pitch in oklahoma?
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by studcrackers on Apr 18, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the flying eff is going on here...
i go see a movie and come back and see this happens….WOW.
this is what i do...i guarantee.
by Longhorn on Apr 18, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did you see
Hannah Montana or 17 Again?
Call 1-800-DOCTORB. The B is for bargain!
by Panorama on Apr 18, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quantum of Solace at a friends
this is what i do...i guarantee.
by Longhorn on Apr 18, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He went with Miles.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont 'nkow him
apparently you do though.
this is what i do...i guarantee.
by Longhorn on Apr 18, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he finds the hot 15yo's
and passes the milf moms on to me :)
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
IMO, most chicks have pulled the ripcord by the age of 30…and most guys are fat and bald.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Mother I’d …” Moms.
Get it … mother and mom both used. The mom is unnecessary.
Didn’t really mean to cause a stir.
by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 18, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, yeah, kinda redundant, in a way.
Although, have you ever seen moms in Waxahachie??? Shudder…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I go to the ATM machine, I put my pin number in, and out comesa da cash money....
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Apr 18, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully
main will be here in a few weeks too
Omar Vizquel: your starting shortstop for the 2009 AL all-star team.
by gossamer on Apr 18, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Evan says
Holland can’t be a FA until after 2015, and has a Q & A with Evan Grant (yes, you read that right) up:
http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/index.php/2009/04/18/talking-to-myself-q-a-about-derek-hollands-promotion/#more-3114
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops
posted too soon, meant to paste this quote:
Had the Rangers started the season with him on the staff or called him up in the first week, he’d have qualified for a full year of major league service and, if his callup became permanent, he’d qualify at the end of 2014. The cutoff date for qualifying for a full year of service was Thursday. Once the Rangers realized they had crossed that threshold, moving Holland up really started to get momentum.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This piece is confusing
Once the Rangers realized they had crossed that threshold, moving Holland up really started to get momentum.
Certainly they knew that right…they didn’t have to realize it?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd hope that they knew...
I wonder if everyone in the front office has to wear those two-toned helmets
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Apr 18, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'm starting to think that it's possible there was some strategy here
Simply, he made the team coming out of ST and this was just contract mgmt. That makes me feel the slightest bit better.
by Sherman McCoy on Apr 18, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
personally I think this move is exciting. Dangerous but exciting none the less. Someone up thread said,“So, it begins.” I am ready. I just hope the kids are. This is what the kids have been waiting for all their lives. Now it is time.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Apr 18, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's my reaction.
On a side note, I wonder who replaces Holland at OKC.
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
by Ajax68 on Apr 18, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could move Moscoso or Hyatt up into the AAA rotation
or just start Diamond or Gabbard.
by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could go with Hunter too
but I bet they go with Gordon until Hunter and or Moscoso get a few more starts under their belt. I wouldn’t think that Diamond or Gabbard are stretched out at the moment and they would only start Gabbard if it would be for the long-term, that is, if they though his shoulder could handle it.
by Goyogringo on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if Vaughan
can climb back to AAA in this move
by Keynes on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beau Vaughan's interview with Holland
Really sent the two of them moving in opposite directions, didn’t it?
If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???
surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.
by tricer on Apr 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
k
i don’t like this.
I’d be okay with this if ONLY he went into the rotation. No way Beane does this with Cahill or Anderson (puts them in the bullpen to start off).
Jerking around pitchers and thinking it’s an easy transition from starting to relieving is dumb, especially with one of our top pitching prospects. It feels kinda like what they did with Feldman, he’s a good starter, but let’s put him in the bullpen. Nuh uh, it doesn’t work that way and shouldn’t be that way…
This is no way JD’s call, and that saddens me, meaning i don’t know how much longer he’s here when he can’t make these decisions…
bleh.
this is what i do...i guarantee.
by Longhorn on Apr 18, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No way Beane does this with Cahill or Anderson (puts them in the bullpen to start off).</blockquote
I don’t even know what to say. Silly.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll help
if Holland is just a badazz. Be a badazz, Derek.
by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing wrong with putting a young pitcher in the pen when he breaks into the majors
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
The problem comes when you keep them there for too long, or start flipping them between the rotation and BP.
by LiamP on Apr 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
start combining multiple inning appearances with back-to-backs, like Johnny Oates did Jeff Zimmerman.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another point
why bring him up when we got a manager who already doesn’t know how to use his bullpen properly…
this is what i do...i guarantee.
by Longhorn on Apr 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I suspect Holland’s usage is going to be governed from above. It isn’t going to be Washington’s decision as to whether Holland is available on a given night or not.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet there will be
something like the “Joba rules” we heard so much about last year.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think we would do that
if Washington wasn’t here?
by Keynes on Apr 18, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
too much going on then….put him in as starter and i’d feel a lot more comfortable.
this is what i do...i guarantee.
by Longhorn on Apr 18, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand feeling more comfortable if he's a starter.
But it’s not a stupid move until they mismanage. Not before because they might.
by philkid3 on Apr 18, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
Washington has very clear instructions on how to use him. I have to think that he’ll do a lot of conferring with Maddux as well.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benoit was caught in that vortex for a couple of years too
before finally getting moved to the penFT
by Goyogringo on Apr 18, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't see them
treating Holland like Benoit, though, not too worried.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
this is what i do...i guarantee.
by Longhorn on Apr 18, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different pitcher
different people in charge.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It ruined Nolan Ryan.
And Curt Schilling and Pedro Martinez and Jim Palmer and Randy Johnson and Mike Mussina and Charlie Hough.*
*I’m not completely sure all of them started in the pen, but I think so. Off the top of my head.
by philkid3 on Apr 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Chad Billingsley
man would I love to see Holland develop similarly to that guy.
If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???
surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.
by tricer on Apr 18, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes.
I remember being kind of weirded out when I realized Oswalt was starting games.
by philkid3 on Apr 18, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact
Oswalt is probably, career-path-wise, a pretty good comp for Holland.
Draft-and-follow, explodes seemingly out of nowhere in 2000, gets called up to go into the pen after a short uninspiring stint in AAA the next year, and goes into the rotation pretty soon thereafter.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you say
this wasn’t JD’s call?
If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???
surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.
by tricer on Apr 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Billy needs a knob-job.
Oops, he just got one. Thanks, Longhorn!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather see him slide into Benson's spot in the rotation
but i guess the chances are very good to get regular work from the pen on this club.
by SteveP on Apr 18, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it might not be long till he gets Benson's spot
hopefully
"If you can't get up for this kind of game, Lord have mercy, you might not have a heartbeat"
-Jerome Bettis
by Mizzou12 on Apr 18, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
That seemingly was the justification for putting Benson in the rotation in the first place. It supposedly would be easier to kick him to the curb than Feldman.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect that
within a month or two.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland will likely crack the rotation
after the All-Star break at the latest… but he’ll have to be effective in relief to earn the spot… and it likely stokes the flame under Benson and Harrison (especially Harrison) to know that a potential replacement is on hand and at the ready.
by bstair on Apr 18, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT. Dustin Moseley to the DL.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, snakebit. They’re paying the tab on years of good luck, though.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That point is true.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Normally I would be happy whenever an Angel pitcher landed on the DL
but after that press conference, I wouldn’t have minded seeing him have a really good year
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Apr 18, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see Josh
in the HR derby in the new Yankee Stadium
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to see Josh homer at TBIA this year.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still waiting for the 500 footer.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for the shot that hits the roof in RF.
Now THAT will be epic.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 18, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Holland talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fail
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
interesting to me that he drove…I mean, I guess it makes sense though.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 18, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collectively - there just not that good
I don’t the big issue here – no doubt the pitching sucks, but that’s not the only weak part of this team.
I have no issue with firing Wash – although I’m not sure this all falls on him.
The truth is if you look at the team – there are probably 3 or maybe 4 top quality major league players, a bunch of OK players who are probably not as good as us Rangers fans think they are, and then a pile of shit group who really are just hanging around
The top quality: Hamilton, Young (though bordeline), Kinsler, Francisco and Andrus (giving him the benefit of the doubt going forward)
OK players: most everyone else – including Davis who probably will be basically Mike Jacobs 3 years from now and Millwood who is a reliable major league starter, but probably not really an ace
crap: Eddie, CJ, Benson – I’m not sure these 3 could pitch for most other teams in MLB – I could be persuaded to put CJ into the OK group if used properly.
The summary – they need more talent – we still have an incredibly weak OF from an offensive production perspective (although that seems to be a trend in MLB) and I think our catchers while young, kind of stink right now. And if there was any question our pitching is the worst in the majors – that has been answered already this season.
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haha?
so by saying Eddie,CJ,Benson couldnt pitch for most other teams in MLB, your saying we put CJ on waivers today, that no one would claim him?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
someone would claim and I would not be surprised to see him stick around.
But he’s just ho-hum – his career upside is a journeyman loogy
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever dude
his career upside is a journeyman LOOGY??? WTF, so your saying his career freaking upside is not even as high as his current role? where do you come up with his career upside? are you pulling a RonWash and just going with your gut?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you implying he's going to get better?
if so, I disagree – I think we’ve seen the best he has to offer
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which was a 3.03 era in a setup/closer role...
he was legitimately injured last year. he had one bad outing this year that was mostly cheap hits and defensive failings anyway. CJ is still one of our better relievers.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not going to say
his “stuff” will improve, but I have to believe the way he uses it will get better, when CJ relies on his fastball he has had enough success to be a 7th, 8th, or 9th inning guy, I dont see CJ as a closer, but would not be surprised if he ended up in that role somewhere eventually, I think CJ has stuff to be dominating, he has been dominating in stretches in his career
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to say
his “stuff” will improve, but I have to believe the way he uses it will get better, when CJ relies on his fastball he has had enough success to be a 7th, 8th, or 9th inning guy, I dont see CJ as a closer, but would not be surprised if he ended up in that role somewhere eventually, I think CJ has stuff to be dominating, he has been dominating in stretches in his career
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
incredibly weak OF?
Nelson Cruz, Josh Hamilton, Marlon Byrd. Andrew Jones?
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are not many groups of 5 outfielders
id take over ours.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree 100%
i was befuddled with that comment….This team is full of talent…
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm befuddled
by your claim this team is full of talent
the last 4 years would clearly indicate it is not
and going forward some of those players are not going to get much better and are more likely to decline – do you really believe Andruw Jones, Marlon Byrd and Nelson Cruz are a long-term solution to building a winning team?
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we scored 900 runs last year
pitching is our main problem, man.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
some one
on this board did a big analysis of the numbers and it showed despite the totals ,this team was not that good offensively.
something about big margins of victory in wins and losing a lot of close games
I don’t disagree the pitching is the biggest issue – I’m just suggesting the offensive consistency and upside of some of these players does not spell future success for this team – even if they figure out how to fix the pitching
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly
scoring more runs than any other team proves your point the offense is not that good.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ballpark effect...
RBiA is so awesome, it inflates the hitters’ numbers on the road!
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 18, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given that Byrd is most likely gone by the deadline (or offseason)
No. But how many teams have 5 long term outfielders on their 25?
Also, Jones seems to be locked in at DH.
Also, you’re complaining about the OF and not grousing about Murphy?
by Keynes on Apr 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
I guess I concluded Murphy is an OK 4th OF but not the type of player a championship caliber team runs out there everyday
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I think Hamilton, Cruz are definently in the plans…But you are not talking about the future in your earlier post..you said OF was incredibly weak….I’m just not sure I understand that. Andruw Jones is only 31, so to think he’s at the end of the line is a little premature if he can get even 75% back what he was two years ago…
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I thought this whole thread was kind of based on the future since everyone is all twisted over promoting Holland.
I guess I was trying to say that I don’t think fixing the pitching is the only concern the team has – although no question it is the most pressing problem.
I’m not totally sold on Cruz – maybe it’s just me, but at 29 (in july) to have your career year does not necessarily indicate your a long-term solution for a club
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell me one
hole this lineup will have over the next 4 years
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to sum it up
I am not worried at all about our offense now, or for the forseeable future. I don’t even know why i started debating this in the first place
by kmoneytime on Apr 18, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am worried about the offense
outside Kinsler and Young, most of the lineup does not consistently get hits or get on base, including Hamilton
they’re terrible at situational hitting (at least that is what 90% of the posts seem to say every game)
right now they are relying on a very small portion of their lineup for most of the offense – yes Andruw Jones and Cruz have been productive in spurts,
but the lineup as a whole is not has some serious gaps
and yes – I am worried about the future
I’ve read many people on here claim “it’s all about 2010” – I’m not sold they are that close
and long-term I think everyone would agree we want to be the kind of franchise that has a talent pipeline to draw on for sustained success – I’m concerned about that
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talent pipline
Would a #1 farm system qualify?
Hamilton has been good at getting on base in his career, don’t judge him harshly on a bad 2 week start. The kind of holes you mention in the offense are hte kind of holes that every team in the mlb has.. some far far more.
The rangers lineup is good, young, and secure long term.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the farm system ranking
I guess I’m waiting to see the fruits of that farm system.
I don’t think the lineup is as young or as good as you think.
If I look at the team 3 years from now and assume they are going to be a contender – how many of the current lineup is going contributing – not many is what I conclude.
Ask that same question of TB – who are the team everyone is touting as the latest build from within example – I think they have more (of course FA could screw them and us)
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As young?
Davis, Kinsler, Hamilton, Cruz, catcher, Andrus — All under 30.
Max or Smoak will likely be DHing by season’s end — the over 30 crowd then is Byrd and Young.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see - that's where we differ
I don’t see Davis as the same type of player that some of the people here do – he is quickly evolving into an all or nothing guy.
Cruz will be 32 3 years from now – assuming he continues to produce this year will be his only full productive major league season – why does that not inspire confidence?
Byrd will hopefully not be a full-time player 3 years from now
Young will be Mark Loretta by that point – so not a full time contributor
So from that I see Kinsler, Hamilton, Andrus on the current team
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis
What is wrong with being an all or nothing guy?
If he’s a .275/.325/.550 guy going forward, that’s pretty good.
And I’m not sure why Cruz being 32 in 2012 is even an issue.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if
Davis is more Mike Jacobs or Jack Cust than Jim Thome in his prime -
If Davis is a Thome starter kit that would be great, but if he is Mike Jacobs I think that would be a disappointment
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Cust from Davis
Jacobs, not so thrilled, but its more than acceptable.
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-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that what people thought to start the year?
I don’t think so – I think they viewed Davis as much more than that.
I think a lot of people here would be disappointed is Davis turned out to be a Jack Cust type player
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're selling Cust short
He’s pretty good at what he does.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat disappointed, perhaps,
but not devastated, and not shocked. A lot of the folks here are very knowledgeable baseball fans, and didn’t draw firm conclusions about Davis’ ultimate trajectory based on half a season.
They’re also not drawing any conclusions about Davis’ 2009 performance based on 10 games, which is probably a good lead to follow.
by Snark on Apr 18, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's Mike Jacobs...
…everyone will be very disappointed.
There’s always a chance that can happen. I’ll take the over, though.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Davis ends up more like Jack Cust. . .
. . . we have our DH of the future.
You do know Cust has a career OBP in the .390 range, right? How is that all-or-nothing? I seriously doubt Davis ever reaches that level, but if he does I’ll be thrilled.
by philkid3 on Apr 18, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 years from now, you may be dead.
I mean, have you ever researched the fatality statistics of under 18 male drivers?
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by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kip Keino?
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Apr 18, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to look that one up.
Olivia is 23? I feel old.
by Snark on Apr 18, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
You don’t see at least one of TT/Salty/MaxRam on the team?
You don’t see Smoak on the team?
How about Borbon?
Never seen a good 32 year old OFer?
Seriously what is your deal?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 18, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do TT and Salty inspire you?
I already said they are young – but so far they’re pretty crappy – offensively.
Sure – if max is so great why is he not here? Surely the great Salty or TT cannot hold him back.
As far as the minor leaguers are concerned – they have no bearing on how good the current lineup is – I’m just saying this lineup is not as young or as good as we like to pretend
and with regard to Cruz – this will be third season I’ve been prepared to see him and produce and it looks like it might be the one – I’m just being cautiously optimistic I guess
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't describe your posts
as anything resembling optimistic.
by Snark on Apr 18, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nor intelligent
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
that’s what happens when your team gets its as handed to them by the Orioles and Royals in the same week
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were criticizing the Rangers' performances
against the O’s and KC, that might make some sense. But you’re railing against the entire organization’s composition and future, and you don’t have much of anything to support your critiques.
by Snark on Apr 18, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Randy Galloway prognostication model
1. Make bold negative statements with a success rate around 5%.
2. 5% of time, tell everyone I told you so
3. 95% no one will ever remember what you said
by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 18, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you've written off Davis, Cruz, Saltalamacchia, and Teagarden
and Smoak, Beltre, Borbon, Lemon and company are all chopped liver (or maybe “magic beans”)?
That’s kind of ridiculous.
by Snark on Apr 18, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not written them off
but I’m questioning whether they are as good as we believe.
I think a lot of people see this team and their prospects through rose colored glasses
I’m tired of being disappointed
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're on the wrong forum for this kind of critique.
Maybe over at NMLR, your second sentence would hold water. Here it just comes off as tendentious.
by Snark on Apr 18, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young is a crappy offensive player
He’s a bigger problem offensively than just about anyone else in the lineup.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
only because of his contract? true?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for 3B
I agree.
he is more consistent than most of the rest of the lineup
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I spend 99% of my time talking about Michael young arguing AGAINST him here. . .
. . . but isn’t “crappy” a bit much?
by philkid3 on Apr 18, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see how his numbers stack up
against other 3B at the end of the season. Below average is certainly a reasonable chance.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3B isn't what it used to be
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Apr 18, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MY just called...
He said fu AJM…:P
by Horns130 on Apr 19, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton's 2008 OBP of .371
was higher than Young’s OBP in every season he’s played except his career yer of 2005.
And if you’re judging his offensive capacity on the basis of 10 games, that’s just silly.
by Snark on Apr 18, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to say
his “stuff” will improve, but I have to believe the way he uses it will get better, when CJ relies on his fastball he has had enough success to be a 7th, 8th, or 9th inning guy, I dont see CJ as a closer, but would not be surprised if he ended up in that role somewhere eventually, I think CJ has stuff to be dominating, he has been dominating in stretches in his career
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
well – this team needs that sooner rather than later
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but to put him in the “CRAP” category where you put him, and I think thats unwarranted
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to include
Blalock, and subtract Cruz from that statement.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock
I guess I’ve kind of figured he would not be here past Aug 1
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not here
Team chemistry trumps all!!!!
by simplesimon on Apr 18, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see him
being easier to trade than AJ or others. I think they may be stuck with Blalock til next offseason when he goes FA.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
by DJCahill on Apr 18, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's certainly an informative reply.
Let’s try again. Do you think the Rangers will trade him, or cut him? If the former, to whom, for what?
by Snark on Apr 18, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
who would you even consider, i guess if they were all healthy maybe LAA, Tampa? who after that
and I said MAYBE I wouldnt take those OF’s over ours
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, +Juan?
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by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deep thoughts by simple simon
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
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by Brian Thomas on Apr 18, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diamond starting for OKC tonight
do good
by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it would be nice to get him back in the picture.
by death of the cool on Apr 18, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OKC has 3 catchers now
Why isn’t MaxRam DH’ing when he’s not catching?
by shroomer on Apr 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*scratches head*
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Apr 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Rangers...
are already going to go to this extent to try and save their shitty bullpen in April then they may as well call up Feliz and make him the RH setup guy for the 8th inning. You can DFA Eddie now that you have another lefty in the ’pen.
I hate this idea, but they seem convinced that this is what they will do with Holland and Feliz to break them in at the ML level. May as well do it with both of them now. I just don’t think either of them are ready yet.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that
there is some truth in the statement that they think that Holland is ready, and that they don’t view Feliz as quite that far along. In other words, Feliz has more to lose by not starting in AAA.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok Z...
but even if they think he’s farther along shouldn’t they give him more than 1 start in OKC to find out if they are right?
I just don’t see how they can think Holland is ready given the # of innings he has pitched in AA/AAA.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 18, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
The team philosphy now is bullpen innings in the majors are more important than rotation innings in AAA for pitchers they feel can mentally handle it.
by death of the cool on Apr 18, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right that they either are doing this more because of the bullpen than Holland or because they expected to bring him up fast all along. It’s probably some combination of the two.
But whether or not Holland is ready now, I think that it is important to remember that hot shot pitchers can come really fast when they figure it out, unlike hitters (who aren’t elite college bats). We haven’t gotten to see it…ever, but you can point to other prospects this highly regarded and see that they often fly through the minors once they start dominating.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
I think that it is important to remember that hot shot pitchers can come really fast when they figure it out,
That, btw, was the other part of TNSTAAPP that people tended to overlook.
Pitching prospects are often not “prospects” in the sense hitting prospects are. When they get it, they are pitchers, not pitching prospects, even if they aren’t in the majors yet.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I think in spring training, Holland clearly made the organization think he was going to be ready, quick. I expected him to be up by Memorial Day.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 18, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So say millwood struggles but leaves the game with a 2 run lead after 5.
Holland for the 6th and 7th or are we not going to use him in “pressure” situations yet?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the speed of Holland's ascent.
10 starts above A ball. 10.
61 innings (not counting playoffs) above A ball.
10 K’s per 9 for his minor league career, and nearly a 4 to 1 K/BB ratio. 27.7% K rate, 7.2% BB rate. 0.4 HR/9.
Good luck, Derek.
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by t ball on Apr 18, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good luck, Derek!!!
Tomorrow is Sunday…I will atone for my idol worship then, if need be…
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by Rodney on Apr 18, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After thinking this over and reading these post...
I think the Rangers were serious about getting guys feet wet so that they are ready to steam ahead for the 2010 season. Holland is more polished than Feliz. They would have brought him up to start the season, but had to wait until Thursday so as not to lose that extra year.
He will probably spend the first half of the season in the pen, and then he will be put into the rotation so that he is ready for the 2010 rotation.
Its a plus because we get a talented arm in the pen to try to win now while getting him ready to be in the rotation next year.
I think we may be seeing Feliz in a few months after they have worked some on his off-speed pitches so that he may be in the rotation in 2010 as well. Smaok, Borbon, and Max may also be looking at 2nd half call-ups for the same reasons.
by death of the cool on Apr 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least
he’s not an Eagles fan like Mench. That is the worst.
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So..how to balance mavs playoffs v rangers.
I think I’ll go with watch only the offense + holland and any closing situation.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wrong thread
not that its really on topic anywhere.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 18, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start with the Mavs
that game should get insanely frustrating about the same time that Millwood decides to lay his first egg of the season and they decide to go get a long relieving lefty. :)
by Brett Perryman on Apr 18, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont have a choice
Im going Rangers on the radio, and Mavs on tv.
by tyd3311 on Apr 18, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just read this and...
wow. I don’t like it. I don’t like it at all.
The "Fire Wash Watch" is on. I say he's gone by April 26th.
by NothinG on Apr 18, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Wow.
I honestly don’t know what to think. I didn’t think there was a snowballs chance in hell Holland would be up this soon. I’m stunned.
Let’s just hope they don’t leave him in the bullpen for more than a month or so – I really hope we don’t start using him as a 2-inning setup guy and wind up keeping him in the ’pen till the ASB or something. Fortunately, with Matt Harrison pitching like crap and Kris Benson being… Kris Benson, there should be a roto spot opening up sooner rather than later. All Dutch has to do is dominate enough out of the bullpen to snag it.
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by lonestarJon on Apr 18, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
""We'll watch him closely. We certainly won't abuse him. We won't leave him out there to take a beating"
How much you wanna bet that Ron is gonna do the opposite. Just like he does with every other pitcher.
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by NYTXFAN on Apr 19, 2009 7:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AWESOME.
might not be the smartest play in terms of service time or his development (risk), but he seems like a guy that will come right in and attack. And I’m interested more and more in watching a .500 or worse club with the future on the field
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 19, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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