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Sunday morning things

A couple of pieces of good news from yesterday.  The Rangers lost because their offense was shut down by a dominant pitcher, not because of bad defense or bad baserunning or awful pitching.  And everyone else in the A.L. West lost as well, so the Rangers didn't lose any ground on anyone.

Evan Grant's game story is about the dominance of Zack Greinke, who silenced the Ranger bats.  We can point to Blalock and Salty's leadoff XBHs as missed opportunities -- and no question, they were -- but Greinke was simply out of this world yesterday.

Jeff Wilson notes that Kevin Millwood was great again, but was left with the loss anyway.

Of course, the Derek Holland situation overshadows all else right now.  The Rangers say they expect Holland to be up permanently, that he won't be sent back down unless his performance is such that a demotion is necessary.

Jim Reeves likes the decision to bring up Holland and have him start out in the pen, and goes so far as to absolve the front office for the bullpen situation:

As much as I might like to jump right in the middle of Tom Hicks for not spending the money to upgrade the Rangers’ bullpen this off-season, I have to resist the temptation.

Money probably wasn’t going to solve the problem and sinking it into relief pitchers is a risky proposition at best. They often tend to go in cycles, on one year, off the next.

Would free agent right-hander Juan Cruz have helped this Rangers’ bullpen? How could he not have? But that’s the classic second-guess, though Cruz was hanging out there until late February, when Kansas City finally signed him to a two-year, $6 million deal. And that was in a depressed market.

But if free agency wasn’t necessarily the answer, what about a trade for a veteran bullpen presence once the Rangers realized that Joaquin Benoit wasn’t going to be available in 2009?

It’s a reasonable question, and the Rangers began pursuing that possibility once Benoit, who tried rehabilitation in hopes of being able to pitch this summer, finally gave up and had surgery in late January.

* * *

The Rangers tried to avoid this situation by doing what they’ve done in the past and what many teams try to do: catch a little lightning with a veteran coming off injury (Brendan Donnelly) or a former closer who’s trying to find it again (Derrick Turnbow).

Nothing wrong with that. It even works from time to time. But when those two long shots became failed bits this spring, the Rangers were essentially out of luck, especially when both Willie Eyre and Dustin Nippert had to open the season on the disabled list.

Even I don't give them a pass on the Cruz move...I wonder if Reeves talked to Nolan about the bullpen situation right before writing this.

Jeff Miller has an entertaining article on Holland's call-up, that includes a few items about what Holland is having to learn about being in the majors, and some quotes from Elvis Andrus about what it is like playing behind Holland.

Richard Durrett has a couple of items on the struggles of Chris Davis and Josh Hamilton, with Davis calling his performance "pathetic" and Hamilton apparently going back to the toe-tap he was using last season in an effort to get going.

Taylor Teagarden is starting today, but Ron Washington says Jarrod Saltalamacchia's starting job is safe.

Anthony Andro notes that while Elvis Andrus's glove is what got him to the big leagues, he has impressed with the bat so far this season as well.

 

 

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Cruz

Not to rehash all of this again, but this team’s bullpen is more than a Juan Cruz away from being effective. I think that is Reeves’ point.

Also, is it fair to say it was a bad idea to tinker with Hamilton’s swing?

by JBImaknee on Apr 19, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

wonder if someone could compare his slg pct

from before and after the Home Run derby last year. Anecdotally, it seems he hasn’t been the same power hitter since.

If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???

surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.

by tricer on Apr 19, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pre/Post ASG...

Pre All-Star 377 60 117 22 3 21 95 37 2 65 7 0 .310 .367 .552 .919
Post All-Star 247 38 73 13 2 11 35 27 5 61 2 1 .296 .376 .498 .874

Dropped from 22 doubles to 13… 21 homers to 11… 95 RBI before, 35 after…

Add in what he’s done this year, and he has dropped off pretty significantly…

by N41D on Apr 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's also fewer games post-ASG

His ISO dropped from first half to second half by 40 points. Given the amount of time he’s missed and the fact that last year was his first full season as a regular, I think getting worn down is a more likely explanation for what isn’t a huge drop in ISO than the home run derby.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 19, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

and these pre-/post- ASG stats

always have a selection bias. Of course when you pick a bunch of guys who were awesome pre-ASG, there will be some regression to the mean afterwards.

by JBImaknee on Apr 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

To an extent, I agree...

It’s ~130 less ABs, so obviously that has to be considered…

I don’t think the derby triggers the fall off, but it’s hard to argue there wasn’t some drop in production…

The reasons for said drop off could be any number of things, especially in a case like Hamilton’s…

by N41D on Apr 19, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many Rangers fans...

would like to see the Royals sweep today hoping that it would mean the end for Wash?

I know you’re out there.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 19, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I was just coming in here to ask if another loss would keep him off the plane to Toronto...

Frankly, I think it should…

Managerial influence may be overrated, but 4-8 through 12 games, 9 of which came at home and all 12 against teams that probably won’t make the playoffs, is unacceptable…

Going to Toronto and Baltimore, then coming back home for Oakland to close the month, who really feels like this thing is gonna get turned around? Why delay the inevitable?

by N41D on Apr 19, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I figure today could be a win - win

either you win, which may actually be a loss. or you lose, and you win because RW is gone.

We would have lost 8 out of 9 games, and 5 of 6 at home. Ridiculous.

The "Fire Wash Watch" is on. I say he's gone by April 26th.

by NothinG on Apr 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

Because after losing the game and firing Wash, everything would be flowers and sunshine. Personally, I won’t be rubbing my hands and cackling with glee in anticipation of imminent failure. But it’s a (mostly) free country, so have at it if that’s your preference.

by mgb5 on Apr 19, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

you think it's that close to the guillotine dropping?

Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.

by BigGuns on Apr 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure...

but some around here seem to think so.

As for mgb5 above, I’ve been very consistent with my view on Wash. I’d keep him through the end of the season. He really hasn’t been given a fair shot to manange given this teams pitching and defense (of lack thereof) the last couple years. That said, I don’t agree with some of his in game decisions and if the Rangers do decide to cut ties with him before that then I won’t be hugely upset about it. I won’t be one of those cheering for the Rangers to lose, but I know some Rangers fans and LSBers hate Wash that much. If it takes a Rangers sweep at home by the Royals to get Wash out then they would like to see it.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 19, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Your views on Wash as expressed above are virtually identical to my own.

by mgb5 on Apr 19, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

How Many Rangers fans

waves his hand wildly!

I soloed in the Mile High Club!

by horsedooty on Apr 19, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's that close.

They’ll probably wait until at least the end of the month if not longer, and I can see them dragging their feet until the end of the year. He may even be back next year if the team does what they’ve done since he took the helm.

I’d really like to see them cut ties as soon as possible but I’m not holding my breath.

by Black Francis on Apr 19, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

hand up

in full agreement

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 19, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

I could imagine some situation, where the Rangers needed to lose to get the #1 draft pick, or maybe to get a better playoff matchup than if they won. But not like this.

by JBImaknee on Apr 19, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jeff Miller

has been doing some good articles about the young kids this year. Sounds like he’s gonna have alot of opportunities to do more of that type of thing.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 19, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I dig his stuff, very entertaining, puts a different angle on things.

Arguing with Josey is like pissing in the wind.

by Ryin A on Apr 19, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

wash

I don’t think I have an opinion one way or another about Wash – I’m just not sure removing him is the solution to what ails the Rangers

Clearly despite all the players claims that they are close knit and have good chemistry – something is not working

I heard Kinsler with BAD radio this week say they had a tough time in Detroit because of the day games after traveling and the cold weather and something about not having the right energy level.

It concerns me that less than two weeks into the season players are having “energy” concerns. I would guess it has more to do with the gut wrenching losses than actual physical issues.

This team needs something to get itself right – whether that is an offensive explosion or day off or something – it’s too early in the season for a team to seem desperate

Team chemistry trumps all!!!!

by simplesimon on Apr 19, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Offensive explosive didn't work...

We already saw that once…

Just had a day off, too…

Firing Ron Washington isn’t going to fix the pitching, but the pitching issue can’t be cured right now… Ineptitude in management positions can be…

by N41D on Apr 19, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow.....greatness

Arguing with Josey is like pissing in the wind.

by Ryin A on Apr 19, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice

but somehow I doubt that Worsh has a suit that nice.

If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???

surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.

by tricer on Apr 19, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

poor Wash :(

It’s been fun ole guy …well not really but I thought I’d be nice as you’re packing your shit.

Josh Hamilton puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you but once he gets his pants on he hits baseballs 420 feet.

by BigGuns on Apr 19, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Who had the under

for number of games before Wash assured the press Saltalamacchia’s job is safe?

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Apr 19, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

salty and TT

That situation confuses me – I realize we have depth at catcher and maybe not enough places to put them all to get there ABs (majors and minors), but I don’t see how it’s good for TT to sit most of the time – the same would be true if Salty and TT reversed roles.

I just don’t see how the current situation is good for developing them both or for evaluating them going forward.

Team chemistry trumps all!!!!

by simplesimon on Apr 19, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trying to shop Salty

but he has been hitting poorly therefore no takers.

Rocky Mountain Ranger

by Strangers on Apr 19, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

Rocky Mountain Ranger

by Strangers on Apr 19, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doubt it...

if Salty “showcases” himself well enough then I think the Rangers would want to keep him. He’s the youngest of the 3 catching prospects the Rangers have.

If he looks good enough to trade then why trade him at all?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 19, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess is

they probably have a better understanding of Teagarden (ability-wise) than they do of Saltalamacchia. In other words, they are more confident in their evaluation of what type of catcher Teagarden is most likely to be become than their evaluation of Salty.

by Telegraph on Apr 19, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

So then shouldnt...

Salty be in the minors being evaluated while teagarden is full time while being backed up by Salty or Ramirez?

Rocky Mountain Ranger

by Strangers on Apr 19, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Salty is at the level where you can't find out more about him by playing him in the minors

Kind of like the Nelson Cruz and Jason Botts situation; so if you really want to find out all about him, you have to play him everyday at the majors. They also want to see if Max can be a catcher, so they play him everyday at OKC, so either have Salty or Max backing up would not make sense at this point.

I don’t think Salty should be put into a backup role at all – either you start him or you trade him. If Max isn’t good enough to catch everyday, he can backup C and DH when he does not catch. I don’t think the same kind of thing will work for Salty. I think they will give him the entire season to do whatever, and if he sucks the entire way to the end, I doubt he will be with the team next year.

by Telegraph on Apr 19, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saltalamacchia

He is the better prospect. A good hitting catcher is very rare, plus you still have the lingering injury questions with Teagarden.

Hopefully we’ll see Salty be the hitters everyone thought he would be in the minors, and we can deal Teagarden and Ramirez for good value.

by Darrell McKown on Apr 19, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

9th inning last night

I went to last nigh’t game and noticed that Wash had Jones in the on deck circle to pinch hit for Salty in the 9th. Didn’t matter because Davis struck out. I didn’t see anyone mention it in yesterday’s GDT. Shouldn’t Jone have pinch hit for Davis? The only reason I figure he didn’t is that the backup 1B was DHing. If he takes Davis out then Jones has to play 1B.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 19, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting situation...

Maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea for one of the outfielders, whether it’s Jones, Byrd, or Cruz, to take some time in practice at first, just in case we need the flexibility for late in a game when Hank is DHing and Salty’s catching.

LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1

by vfn on Apr 19, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bullpen

I do fault the Rangers for not going after Juan Cruz. I though he was a guy they should have targeted back in November of last year.

That said, one good reliever isn’t going to fix this team, so I will give them something of pass on not spending a bunch of money on the bullpen last offseason. The rest of the bullpen has major problems, the 4th and 5th spots in the rotation were always going to be a problem (and its not realistic to expect Feliz and Holland to reslove that this year), and they still need another middle of the lineup hitter.

They have realistic internal options to fix most of the problems. I think Diamond, Kiker, and Moscoso could be in the bullpen by the end of the year, and I think all them have to potential to be good relief pitchers. I also think it’s way too early to write-off CJ. Obviously, Feliz and Holland are legitimate options for the rotation, and Smoak will be a middle of the order hitter here.

They aren’t going to win this year, so the objective needs to stay getting ready for 2010. I think a rotation of Sheets, Millwood, McCarthy, Holland and Feliz would have a chance to be pretty good, and depending on how the Wilson/Diamond/Moscoso/Kiker group do, they can fill out the rest of the bullpen next offseason. Plus they still have the ability to trade a Teagarden and/or Ramirez for good value, and I still think a Teagarden for Masterson deal makes sense for both Texas and Boston.

by Darrell McKown on Apr 19, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Stupid question, but anyone know what # Holland will be wearing?

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 19, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

SOB that is RA Dickey's number, can't believe they didn't retire it.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Apr 19, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL

I still get indignant any time I see a Ranger wearing #49.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Apr 19, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

April 2009 ROM

Elvis Andrus—-Book It!

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Apr 19, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

What other rooks are there?

"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.

by Kinslerhomer on Apr 19, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

From ESPN

not many other guys

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Apr 19, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rangers offense

is and will be all year an offense that for the most part will struggle against top quality starters/bullpen guys and hammer away 3/4/5 rotation guys and the underbelly of the bullpen. Obviously, there will be a few exceptions this year, but for the most part, expect more of what we have seen the last 2 nights against Meche/Greinke when you have 1/2 rotation guys on the mound.

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 19, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

Just about everybody does better against bad pitchers than against good pitchers.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 19, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Must read story!

From Jeff Miller, and D Magazine.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Apr 19, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Jeff Miller

Very nice part of Inside Corner, I’ve liked his articles so far.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 19, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

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