Some Wash Negativity
I don't like the Jones/Cat move or the Benson/Feldman move, and not that Wash is making all the roster decisions, but my impression is that he pushed for both of these. This just reinforces my feeling that Wash is just not a good players' manager. Cat has been a great team guy for the past two years, and he's dumped for a guy who STUNK the past two years. Feldman was the ultimate team guy last year and he's rewarded by being sent back to the bullpen for a guy that's been out of baseball for two years, and was never that good when he was "in his prime." He yanked Cat out of the game when he was online to hit for the cycle, he yanked Laird around while he was here. He was a non-entity, and maybe even a little subversive, with the Young to third situation, which WAS something the team needed. From snippet's i've read from Byrd and Murphy, my impression is that he hasn't been very clear with them or with Cruz what the outfield roles would be this year, and their uncertainty must have increased during the whole Jones drama.
As much as I hate Mike Scioscia personally, I think he handles his players much better, to wit, the GMJ drama. He had some careful quotes in the press where he said he sympathized with Gary, and he told GMJ what was up in no uncertain terms as soon as he knew. But Wash just seems reactionary, and when he reacts, he's not always thinking about what's going through the mind of the player(s) he's affecting.
I was so happy at the beginning of spring when Wash said the rotation was set barring injury, and then he goes and proves himself a liar.... and for Benson??? Is Benson really worth yanking my boy Feldman around? I Still don't understand why Benson can't be the long guy in the pen.
AS, (after Showalter,) we were supposed to be getting a good communicator and motivator, but time has proven that Wash is bad at in game strategy, bad at managing players' egos, bad at preparing the team for the beginning of the year, and bad at preparing the team defensively. What is it exactly that he's good at? I give him props for dealing with CJ last year and being fun to listen to in interviews but.....
I'll add that I do hope both moves work out, and I would much rather have a beer with Ron Washington than Mike Scioscia, but for me these moves sort of put a damper on an exciting spring.
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Bah
Neither move is going to mean that much in the grand scheme of things.
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by t ball on Apr 2, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
neither
is this baseball season.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Apr 2, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
you can’t judge Wash for these moves based on your impression or gut feeling. Even if he did push for them it’s JD and Nolan’s decission in the end.
Wash may not be a good manager, but I don’t feel like he has really been given a fair chance to show that. As I’ve said before you tell me a manager who could have done better the last 2 year considering how bad the Rangers pitching and defense has been along with the # of injuries they have had.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 2, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right,
roster moves are JD’s decision in the end, i just think Wash pushed for both of these… could be wrong. But I do think Wash had something to do with how bad the pitching and defense was the last two years. Coaching defense was supposedly his strong suit, and he was terrible at setting up the rotation and the bullpen.
by jcAustin on Apr 2, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seemed like JD
was against Andruw Jones being here
Bring on April 6th!
by NothinG on Apr 2, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i gave up on ron washington last year
and am convinced that this team will never be a “championship caliber” team with him in the dugout.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 2, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm right there with you...
The press has been far too patient with Wash, perhaps because it would be politically incorrect to pile on our first black manager. But I can’t think of anything, other than teaching infield mechanics, that he handles particularly well. He doesn’t seem to have the respect of the players nor does his input have much import with management. And his management of the game is embarrassing.
Wait. I did love the grabbing of C.J.’s arm last year when Wilson flipped the ball to him.
II Cor. 4:17-18
by TedFord on Apr 2, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he has that much of a negative impact in any kind of serious win/loss way.
But his best role would definitely be as the third base coach.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 2, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, this might be a classic case of good coach,
bad manager. But, i disagree about the impact. I don’t think it’s huge, but it’s there, and it touches everything.
by jcAustin on Apr 2, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
If given the choice of a good manager or a bad manager, I’d rather have a good one. I think Worsh has given us plenty of evidence that he isn’t a good one, and probably is a pretty bad one.
Doctor please. Some more of these.
by tricer on Apr 2, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Apr 4, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wash
is he the octavio dotel of RP? lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 2, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ron Washington has been given arguably the crappiest pitching staff in baseball the last two seasons, a revolving-door roster of players to play, headcase catchers, headcase relievers, injuries upon injuries, some really bad defensive position pla
I don’t think the guy is a great manager, but I think we should give him another look-and-see,
by oc on Apr 2, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My feelings exactly.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 2, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm i think your wrong
both Padilla and Millwood had 15+ wins 200+innings and 150+K’s there first year in texas, in freaking texas where nobody can pitch and right after Millwood received his big contract, I think you can blame a lot of the injuries, and a lot of the bad pitching on a bad manager and maybe a bad pitching coach, even though he has a lot more skins on the wall than the manager
by blueballlefty on Apr 2, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what about
-the whole bringing in broussard, etc
-botching the C situation basically the ENTIRE time he has been here
-the rangers horrible defense (he was supposed to be/used to be a GREAT defensive coach. if he could make scott hatteberg a “pickin machine” he should be able to do something with the current players out there)
etc
etc
etc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 2, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
broussard didn't actually hurt anything
and he also campaigned for milton bradley which worked out kind of well.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 2, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
broussard
was somehow worth -8.1 VORP (to be fair i for some reason thought he had about 150 PAs)
on comparison, the WORST pitcher in baseball last year was ubaldo jimenez, who had a 6.5 VORP in 77 PAs - since i know your curious zambrano had the highest VORP for a pitcher last year (batting wise) with 17 in 85 ABs
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 2, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jimenez
had a (minus) 6.5 VORP in 77 PAs
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 2, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know he sucked
and i was one of the people who hated bringing him in from minute 1
but i really dont think 86 ab of broussard vs 86 ab of jason botts/chris shelton mattered. the cut him loose fast when it didnt work out.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Apr 2, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no your right
i thought he had somewhere in the neighborhood of 150-200 ABs for some reason, clearly that wasnt the case l
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 2, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How the hell does Washington get charged with botching the catching situation?
by oc on Apr 3, 2009 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll no doubt disagree about his handling of Salty/Laird last year
So instead I’ll point out that his refusal to play Max in July when Salty was dinged up, and the fact that his playing Laird over Teagarden the last two weeks of the season where both pretty bad. You could also take issue with the decision to play Salty at first base in ‘07, but in fairness to Ron, that wasn’t entirely on him.
I don’t really think that his handling of the catchers PT is the actual problem though, it’s just evidence of the lager problem: his resistance to play anyone he doesn’t “trust” and the skewed determinations of which players land where in the PT pecking order that result.
She was a grand old lady...
by lonestarJon on Apr 3, 2009 5:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 3, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole organization
bears responsibility for the catcher use last year.
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by t ball on Apr 3, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gah. I want to rip off your head and punt it for a touchback.
Laird got the PT he did last season because the Rangers needed to determine if he was going to be our catcher for this year. About halfway through that experiment they realized that he wasn’t going to be and thus shifted into a different mindset… play him to showcase him for an offseason trade.
Read between the lines dicklips.
by oc on Apr 4, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The very fact that they where considering him to be their catcher this year
With three younger, better options on the way is what was so annoyingly retarded.
She was a grand old lady...
by lonestarJon on Apr 4, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not Washington's fault man.
Daniels traded for Ramirez and Saltalamacchia.
Even if the Rangers never thought Laird would be their catcher in ’09, they still had to play him to up his value.
by oc on Apr 4, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if one or both of Melo or Moscoso hits in a serious way that argument will be true, I'll admit
But until that actually happens, my position is that Ron took the “value building” a little too far.
She was a grand old lady...
by lonestarJon on Apr 4, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never understood
the whole “the players never quit on Wash” argument that I recently read in the DMN. They’re professionals. They’re not supposed to quit. How does Wash get credit for guys going out and playing “hard” or “trying” to win.
That being said, I agree with OC in that he was dealt a bad hand. But I also think that the next 2 or 3 years are crucial in terms of developing young, championship caliber players. I’m not sure I trust Wash to cultivate a winner around here. Then again, it’s hard to blame a guy who is trying to cling to a job for going with who he believes are the 12 best pitchers in camp.
Free Frank Catalanotto
by egriffey on Apr 2, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh please, professional players
don’t quit all the time? Sure they do.
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by Rodney on Apr 2, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But I think that has more to do with the character of the players than the manager. And, I won’t laud a player for trying. That seems like basic professionalism to me — though I will dog a player for mailing it in. Guess I’m a hypocrite. But, if the manager’s best quality is his ability to get his players to play hard, even though it may have nothing to do with him, I’d be okay hiring him as a motivational speaker and letting someone more qualified manage the game.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Apr 2, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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