Rangers claim Darren O'Day
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2009 2:05 PM CDT
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PrintThe Rangers have reportedly claimed reliever Darren O'Day off of waivers from the New York Mets.
The Rangers will have to clear both a 25 man and a 40 man roster spot to make room for O'Day.
The bullpen doesn't have any obvious candidates to be dropped (and I have to wonder if the Rangers wouldn't have held off on calling up Derek Holland if they knew this was coming). C.J. Wilson and Holland are the only players with options remaining, and I can't see either of them being optioned at this point. (It was pointed out in the comments Willie Eyre has options, and could get optioned, although you'd still need to clear a 40 man spot)
It seems more likely that either Kris Benson gets designated for assignment or put on the d.l., Scott Feldman gets designated for assignment, or Vicente Padilla goes to the d.l. And if it is a d.l. move, you're going to have to drop someone currently in the minors off the 40 man roster.
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I would have to think that Benson is the obvious candidate.
Throw him on the DL, put Feldman in his rotation spot, give Holland the long relief role. Done and done.
Seeking a new signature...
not done and done
who do you drop off the 40?
by dustinvandeman on Apr 22, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they have something going on with Arias
A trade to the Padres maybe?
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
They just got Chris Burke.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 22, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah forgot about that. Thanks
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
Duran, probably. Or maybe bannister. Or just dump Benson and be done with him.
I guess Arias and Nippert are options, too.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder how Bannister has looked in Frisco so far
On paper, he’s the exact same as he was before this offseason.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Duran!!??
What happens when we need our mid-June adrenaline shot of shitty players??
by brettgardner on Apr 22, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
now would be a good time
to try to slide Duran through, considering he is teh suck this year.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Like scandalous...
dirty pictures for blackmailing?
by ghostofErikThompson on Apr 22, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
It involves a goat...
and that’s all I can say.
"I'm not being condescending, I'm too busy thinking about far more important things you wouldn't understand." - Jimmy Carr
by Suicide Prince on Apr 22, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
he's a sidearmer
who gets a lot of groundball outs. he’s a four year college guy at the u of florida, so he was 23 when he started his professional career. he’s had solid minor league numbers and gives up very few HRs, but he may end up being too hittable.
a groundball inducing righty? it sounds like we are trying to replace what we hoped Rupe would be.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
yeah
the biggest thing that jumps out about his numbers is the lack of walks. he is hittable, but he won’t walk the bases loaded. control seems to be a new priority for this team…go figure.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Nip
on the 60 is the most likely route.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Agree.
Easiest move to make it would seem.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
No options left...
AJM said that above.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Gah I'm a retard.
He DOES have options left. But I still doubt either gets sent down.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I was wrong and fixed it above... sorta.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Read again
C.J. Wilson and Holland are the only players with options remaining, and I can’t see either of them being optioned at this point.
"It doesn't look like he's trying. It kinda pisses me off," "He could throw 110 if he tried. The way it explodes out of his hand is really something special." ~ B-Mac on Feliz.
by Kinslerhomer on Apr 22, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, I corrected myself above.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah, but what fun would baseball boards be if we couldn't browbeat people at least a couple of times for a simple mistake?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
lol fair enough.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong.
He has options left.
/definitely read your retraction, but wrote this anyway :)
Seeking a new signature...
Haha thanks ghtd.
I’m glad humor is still running rampant among LSB’ers. ;)
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Option CJ – Get rid of him- Do something besides pitch him. Resigning him is the biggest mistake the Rangers made. They should have never given him over a million dollars to lose more games. It almost seems that Washington is trying to lose games when he keeps putting CJ. He couldn’t hack it as the closer last year- why did they even waste money resigning him.
The only thing wrong with this comment
is everything between the first and last words. You do understand that Wilson was under team control and didn’t need to be resigned – he would have gone to arbitration and received a similar contract anyway – don’t you? I won’t even bother refuting the absolute stupidity of optioning him, or getting rid of him in any other way.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Send Holland back
Let him dominate AAA, see him at the all star break. I doubt they’ll do that though.
That's why they call them business sox
They still have to drop someone from the 40 though
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
Makes total sense
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
Probably Nippert to the 60-day DL.
That makes the most sense to me.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup
This is really stupid, but since he’s been out since the beginning of the season, you can backdate the 60 days to then, correct?
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
I believe that would be the case, yes.
Though I am not certain.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't believe you can backdate the 60 day DL
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
For krist's sake which is it?
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Yes you can
http://www.fantasysp.com/player/mlb/Joey_Devine/303001
First link is an example of the backdating. The second is a statement (though I can’t find any corroborating evidence for it aside from teams doing it).
but he must remain inactive for a minimum of 15 or 60 days, with Day 1 beginning after the player’s last game appearance. A club may make the placement of a player on either list retroactive to the last date on which he played, up to a maximum backdating of 10 days.
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Interesting
I don’t expect much but he doesn’t seem like he’ll totally suck. I’m stumped as to who goes off the 40. I guess they could put Nippy on the 60-day DL, or cut bait with Benson.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
As far as I'm concerned
This dude can take Feldman’s spot, Feldman can take Benson’s spot, and we can dropkick Benson outta Arlington.
by brettgardner on Apr 22, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That wouldn't make me mad for sure.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
But what about that Hooter's Waitress-level of attractiveness wife of his!?!?
Where oh where would we find someone to replace her?
Oh, at virtually every strip club in America cause she’s not special looking at all. Now I remember.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Release Eddie?
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
Well if we're gonna flat out release someone... sure.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Wash's exciting new discovery
of the “loogy” role would make Eddie much more valuable to this team in the short term.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
My assumption is
that CJ is the new loogy.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
Release Eddie
I like this idea. The Duran idea is solid also.
Can we drop Metcalf again? That could be fun.
Sneaky theory
This move has two effects: One, we get a new arm to test in the bullpen. If he’s good, great, if he’s not, we’re no worse off since everyone else out there sucks anyway.
The second one is more interesting. O’Day, had he cleared waivers, would go back to the Angels, who are somewhat short on arms right now. This move has two effects, in addition to the fresh arm, it keeps a good option away from the Angels.
More why the Sneaky JD theory works well
Here is a summary of how bad the Angels bullpen situation/depth is right now.
http://www.halosheaven.com/2009/4/22/848837/halos-bullpen-depth
If O’Day works out and is effective, its a win/win move.
Gotta love it
Anything that screws the Halos I’m for outside of death that is.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
WTF didn't they grab the Nats guy?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
He was designated on the 19th, so I'm not sure his waiver time is up yet.
O’Day was designated on the 18th, so I’m guessing we won’t know about Shell ’till tomorrow.
Though that could be wrong.
The Newberg or Lucas would be better about this than me.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe so, yes.
We could claim Shell tomorrow and dump Benson and German Duran off the 40 and have both.
Yay.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
this would be an interesting route
but the team seems to believe Benson can still help.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
why would we claim
Shell and O’day. I can understand the dropping of Benson and Duran, but does feldman then enter the rotation, and Holland get optioned?
The "Fire Wash Watch" is on. I say he's gone by April 26th.
Because they're good relievers who could help us?
At least I assume that’s why we’d do it.
We’ve got tons of crappy pitchers to choose from, it’s not like it’s hard to find a guy who sucks. Eddie. Harrison. Benson. Eyre.
Optioning/releasing any of those guys wouldn’t break my heart.
If you think a guy can help you, you make room.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No. I'm talking about options to get guys off the 25, though Eddie and Benson would have to be released... and I think Eyre, too.
Harrison though I’m pretty sure could just be optioned if we needed to make room on the active roster for a reliever we thought could help.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose
everytime i see Guardado warming up it scares me. Eyre – meh. Benson – yeah, i could see him cut loose. He isn’t part of this future here. Harrison? I think you have to give him some more time. He is young, and we have seen great glimpses of what he can be. Not this year, of course, though.
The "Fire Wash Watch" is on. I say he's gone by April 26th.
When did we see glimpses?
I know he had a good start or two, but he seemed to always be getting hit pretty hard even when the stat line looked good in the paper the next morning.
I don’t believe in him long term- I don’t think he’ll miss enough bats.
But I agree with you in as much as I wouldn’t be against giving a guy as young as he is a little more leash at this point.
Maybe a short trip down to OKC to work on some shit might actually do him some good, though? Who knows.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i would be okay
with giving harrison some more time in AAA. As with most TX pitches, he was rushed and thrown into a difficult situation. unfortunately, i don’t know who takes his rotation spot unless we slip Holland in there, and that is really solving one problem with another.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Fleldman is the obvious choice, imo.
But what about Jennings?
He’s looked really good so far. Has the team completely ruled him out as a starter? It would appear so since he never gets mentioned in discussions like this, but it’d be intriguing, no?At least more so than stupid Kris Benson.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be intriguing
I just don’t want to mess with Jennings right now. He’s finally healthy and pitching well for the Rangers. He might be able to be this effective in the rotation, but I don’t trust him to stay healthy while doing it.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
i would leave Jennings alone
i’d file him in the “if it ain’t broke” bin and walk away. his emergence as such a solid bullpen option is inexplicable.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
No, it's explicable.
He’s healthy.
That’s the explanation.
He’s always had a good arm when it’s actually is healthy enough to throw a baseball.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It is intriguing
The last couple of years(especially last year) has washed away the memory of how good he was when healthy.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
Who is to say Shell makes it to us?
Isn’t waiver priority the inverse of record? It isn’t like Texas has first dibs.
Ah, thanks.
I couldn’t remember his name.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I don't think they would have
claimed him if they didn’t already have a plan to clear room. My guess is that Nippert isn’t progressing well and he goes on the 60-day DL. Benson is suppose to throw a bullpen today. How long do the Ranger shave to clear room for him? 48 hours?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Was apparently good friends w/ Adenhart. Here's an idea of his release point-
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
Huh?
That’s actually a pretty good depiction of O’Day’s release point.
He’s a true sidearmer, iirc.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
point-
That’s a normal one. I think it’s the same as his.
by brettgardner on Apr 22, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Me no understand Internet.
Did the pic not show up?
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
Same.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
The 2008-2009 Dallas Mavericks are the biggest teases in the world.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
Looks like he’s playing slow pitch softball.
by Anonymous New Guy on Apr 22, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Naw. Look at the finger blur from the velocity. And note the absence of a beer in his off hand.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
got a laugh outta me...
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com
Took a minute
I reloaded this again and it was there…
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Apr 22, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember this guy now.
Former college closer who came up w/ the Angels. Sidearmer with good movement.
Good pickup.
I like this a lot, actually.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
If it
Gets the ball rolling on getting someone shitty (Benson) out of here too, all the better.
by brettgardner on Apr 22, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
O'Day
he pitched against the Longhorns in the 2005 College World Series. They had another submariner in the bullpen as well in Conor Falkenbach but I have no idea what happened to him. O’Day seemed solid in 2005 but I don’t think I had thought about him since then.
What a debut for Juan Morillo
0ip 1h 3bb 4runs.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
The 2008-2009 Dallas Mavericks are the biggest teases in the world.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
he walked the bases loaded and gave up a grandslam?
Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder
Nippert to the 60.
You got to figure. Then everyone wins.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
who's off the 25 then?
just option Holland back down?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Another option would be to ship Harrison's horrible ass down to AAA and move Feldman or Holland to the rotation.
That’d clear a 25 spot pretty quick.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
True, but that's not going to happen.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
The 2008-2009 Dallas Mavericks are the biggest teases in the world.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
Agree
When JD says 2009 isn’t necessarily the big contending year, I think Matt Harrison’s baby face floats across his vision.
He wants that baby face to become a man.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Apr 22, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I want that baby face to start missing some bats.
by brettgardner on Apr 22, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen, brother.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: With C-Lee almost home already and then ARod coming back I'm thinking probably by may 5th... it's looking like a certain unstoppable looking first place juggernaut might need to watch out!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm
happy that I went for the cellar last year to 1st to begin this year. Need to upgrade some bats to be able to sustain it. Gordon going down doesn’t help.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
The 2008-2009 Dallas Mavericks are the biggest teases in the world.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
Be like me...
Make some panic trades!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll
ride it out until you pass me. Then i’ll panic. haha.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
The 2008-2009 Dallas Mavericks are the biggest teases in the world.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
Yah really, that.
I forget the 25 because of my heartfelt deference to the 40.
Benson to the DL would be best, Feldman taking over his spot.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Apr 22, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
O'Day pitched in
30 games for the Angels last year. He gave up a run, inherited or his own, in only 37% of those games. Rupe gave up a run in a little over 50% of his appearances. Jamey Wright a little less than 50%. His 2:1 K/BB is nice but he is hittable giving up 10.2/9. He also had a 1.36 GB/FB ratio.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I'd rather see Eyre optioned and Feldman moved into the rotation...
…with Benson either released or put on the DL.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Apr 22, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Feldman is out of options
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
hopefully newberg or someone can clarify
but pretty confident he can be optioned
Seems to be some debate on this thread...
Is Eyre out of options?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Apr 22, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
why do you say that?
thought I read somewhere he has a 4th option
It was covered rather extensively this offseason and spring
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 22, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, i just remember differently
i’m sure we’ll find out if he does have an option
If they DFA
Feldman, will you need to be put on suicide watch?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
If they DFAd him without giving him a shot at the rotation then possibly
But if he goes out and sucks I won’t have a problem with that type of roster move. I don’t think he will suck but it could happen.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
And this
Is why I didn’t like Holland coming up.
The 40-man AND 25-man roster crunch limits your flexibility in attempting to grab projects and even solid players.
It’ll be interesting to see what manipulations the Rangers come up with to get O’Day on the roster.
dirkatron’s sig is very apt.
R
Holland
You figure he won’t justify his place in the BP? Or do you just want him starting games only, even if it’s AAA?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Apr 22, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
My issues with the Holland move
1) it does NOT make sense to start the time on his arbitration clock so early for a division title chance when this year’s squad isn’t really built to chase a division title even with the ,
2) it makes more sense to have him starting in AAA and solidify his slider and and change-up so that he’ll be prepared to dominate as a starter in 2010.
3) we don’t know how he’ll adjust or even if he’s able to adjust to MLB-caliber hitters. Heck, we don’t even know if he can adjust to AAA/AAAA hitters, yet.
4) 40-man and 25-man crunch issues by adding Holland to both rosters.
Given those negatives and unknowns, I thought that bringing up Holland was premature.
Though I hope I’m wrong in the potential negatives and unknowns.
Well, it’s too late to bring the move back.
R
Well
As to #2, this guy isn’t going to dominate the league next year.
Now if Feliz and Holland can effectively continue developing (eg, the slider and change) in the ML BP, I just don’t think it’ll hurt anybody. This isn’t a Smoak/Davis/Max zero-sum log jam… It’s the Rangers BP.
So, we can only hope internal assessments answer the rest of your issues.
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by hightowersmith on Apr 22, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Pitchers don't make a ton in arbitration so I am not worried about that aspect of it
Your other points are valid however
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
okay
how about this: Place Nip on the 60 day DL and designate Duran. Claim Shell in addition to O’Day and option Holland (he shouldn’t have been up yet anyway) and Eyre to AAA. This is basically a collection of the ideas above, and I think it may work. It certainly maximizes our bullpen options going forward.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
he's no savior
but he has had success in the big leagues, and like i said, this route maximizes our options going forward.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
They’re not going to option Holland.
Darren O’Day doesn’t derail the plan for Holland, which is keeping him in the ML through year’s end, getting his feet wet, and developing him on this level.
Plus, though he’s not going to pitch lefty situations per se, Holland is a left-handed reliever…that’s not a team strength right now. Hard to believe he won’t rise in the BP pecking order, at least past Guardado.
What more could the team want from him?
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by hightowersmith on Apr 22, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Eyre
Assuming the emphasis is not on clearing a spot on the 25 and 40 in one move (Benson), I think Eyre being optioned strikes me as the obvious move off the 25.
hate to mention this
but can someone tell me why we didn’t try and make some moves to bolster the pen and the rotation before the season started?
I mean look how excited we get about acquiring someone else’s garbage after only a handful of games in the season. Is there anybody that is surprised that our pitching staff is once again looking to be the worst in the league? And the only reinforcements brought on board during the offseason, when, you know, quality ML pitchers were available is Kris Benson, Eddie Guardado, Derrick Turnbow, and Jason Jennings. Shouldn’t JD be accountable for this staff he put together that is causing him to rush elite prospects and blow up the roster only 2 weeks into the season?
If you take the worst pitching staff in baseball, then add Kris Benson and Jason Jennings, what do you have???
surprise!!! You have the worst pitching staff in baseball, that's what.
Well
To be fair, I’m not sure the front office was targeting 2009 as a potential run for the playoffs.
What with all the injuries to the Angels and A’s, the west has become pretty winnable by any of the teams. But it’s always hard to foretell injuries.
R
are you trying
to set me off? Because i am going to resist this. I’ve said my piece and counted to three.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Was Holland really "rushed"?
It seems like that word gets thrown around every time a young guy gets called up without absolutely positively demolishing AAA first.
And how would you like us to hold him accountable?
You think this is a fireable offense?
I mean, I go to bed at night dreaming about a Juan Cruz, Two Frank, Kerry Wood trio as out 789 guys, but it seemed like we had zero money to spend this off season, and the recent new about Hicks’ financial predicament seems to kind of back that up.
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by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
so you don't think Holland was rushed?
he has made like 12 starts above low A ball. he looked like one might expect a top prospect to look while acclimating to a new league in his first AAA start, flashing glimpses of what he can do while struggling overall. And after that one AAA start, he gets summoned to the big leagues to face the best hitters in the world. At least they are allowing him to start off in the bullpen, but i would say it is safe to say he has been rushed, like most every pitching prospect before him…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
No, I don't.
Any time a guy comes fast I guess it could be said he was “rushed”, but usually it’s used in the sense not of “hurried along in a good way” but rather “brought along too fast, often to the detriment of the player and/or the team”.
I think there’s a big difference between a guy coming fast and a guy being called up before he’s ready due to a team need (like, say, Tommy Hunter last year), or not exercising proper patience with regards to a guy’s service clock (like Elvis), or sometimes both (like with Rick Porcello).
And if anything I’d say the way they treated Holland this Spring (with him sticking around for so long and pitching in so many A games) and then the way they brought him up right after the deadline for Longoriaing someone was over makes me think they thought he was ready after ST training and if anything “un-rushed” him for the benefit of his long term FA clock.
But that’s just me.
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by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
There are two things you need to know about Clark.
1) He hates (HATES!) the shift key.
2) In his opinion anything less than 5 words does not constitute a paragraph.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Look how excited we get?
Dude, we post hundreds of comments about anything. Anything at all. Adam puts up a fake Moneyball plot and it gets 100 posts in an hour.
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Anyone know how
long the Rangers’ have to add him to the roster?
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No you can break it up how ever you want
30 min here 10 min there however you want it.
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Breaking news!
The Rangers have placed righthander Kris Benson on the 15-day disabled list with right elbow tendinitis. Benson’s move to the DL clears a spot on the active roster for newly acquired reliever Darren O’Day.
Righthander Scott Feldman is expected to take Benson’s start (which was originally scheduled for tonight) on Saturday.
To make room on the 40-man roster for O’Day, righthander Dustin Nippert has been shifted from the 15-day disabled list to the 60-day disabled list.
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according to newberg
benson to dl and nippert moved to 60 day dl
to make room for o’day
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Couple things
1. Feldman has an option remaining.
2. If Shell was DFA’d on the 18th, he may not be on waivers yet. A 10-day period opened on the 18th, during which there’s a 72-hour waiver period. The team can trigger the waiver period at the beginning, or seven days in, or anytime in between. Teams often first check around to see what trade interest is before running the player through waivers. So Shell may not be on waivers yet, and in fact could be traded before WASH ever does put him on the wire.
Hmmm
wonder if some people will be eating some crow :D.
BTW, what’s with all the interest with ex-Angels relievers?
First Donnelly, then O’Day, and Shell!
R
It's the old, "If you can't beat 'em, root through their garbage until you find something in there to beat them with" mentality.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 22, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please explain the Feldman option
He was optioned in 2006, 2007, and 2008 and doesn’t qualify, by my recollection, for a 4th option so how does he have one?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
One of his options lasted less than 20 days so it didn't count
That’s per Scott Lucas, January 2008.
I think thats wrong
In 2008 he was optioned on 3/21 and recalled on 4/13. According to MLB rules you don’t count the recall day but do count the option day. By my count that is 24 days so that option would count.
In 2007 he was optioned 5/1 and recalled 5/15 so thats 14 days. Then optioned 5/28 and recalled 6/7 so thats 8 days meaning hes over the 20 allowed.
In 2006 he was optioned on 4/14 and recalled on 5/8 so thats more than 20 days.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Heres what it says under "Optional Assignments" in the CBA
If a Player is optionally assigned for a total of less than 20 days in one
championship season, such optional assignment(s) shall not count as
an optional assignment in connection with the limitation upon optional
assignments provided for in Major League Rule 11©. (See Article
XXI.)
For purposes of counting days on option, the date of the optional
assignment shall be counted and the date of recall shall not be counted,
provided that the date of recall shall be counted if the recall takes
place after the start of any Minor League game in which the Player was
eligible to play.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Heh
For purposes of counting days on option, the date of the optional
assignment shall be counted and the date of recall shall not be counted,
provided that the date of recall shall be counted if the recall takes
place after the start of any Minor League game in which the Player was
eligible to play.
Neither shalt thou count to 4. 5 is right out!
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Thats when he was optioned though
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Doesn't matter
There’s no major league service time to accumulate since the season is not “officially” started.
R
That may be where the discrepency is then
The 2008 season started on 3/25 with a game in Japan. If thats when the 20 day count started then yes he would have an option left cause he would have only been down for 19 days.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That doesn't matter
Optioned in 2006, 2007, and 2008 would use up all three options. It looks like his 2008 option is the one that didn’t count but someone with better knowledge of the CBA would have to chime in. If it goes strictly by his option date then it would count. But if that countdown doesn’t start until the season starts then it wouldn’t count missing the 20 day limit by 1 day.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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