Minor League Team to Dallas?
by FuturePants on Apr 23, 2009 11:37 AM CDT
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According to this article by the DMN, they say that there is a developer trying to build a stadium near the Trinity River by Southside on Lamar, along with a mixed use development:
Apparently, the goal is to have over 2,500 apartments, retail and a stadium. Question for you guys is: what team are they thinking of? The article doesn't mention anything, so is this all just speculation? I find it hard to believe that someone would build an urban stadium just in the hope that they could then lure a minor league team to Dallas... Any ideas?
Artist's rendition of the stadium:
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heard about this on the ticket
and i’m just as curious.
by ncrangerfan on Apr 23, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speculation on my part...
How are the Zephyrs doing in New Orleans? I keep hearing all of the economic issues the NOLA area is having, wondering if McDavid may try his hand at a minor league operation to get his feet wet moving towards a Rangers purchase down the road.
Rivalries aside, RIP Nick Adenhart 04/09/2009.
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i dont know if you can say the same thing abotu RW" - knockoutking
by hillcrest on Apr 23, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some indy league team
like the Cats and Air Hogs would be my guess.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 23, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
and i don’t really see a third indy league team really getting a huge draw in the metroplex
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by rentz on Apr 23, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Between Air Hogs, Rough Riders and Rangers, what exactly do they think is untapped?
by FuturePants on Apr 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the FW Cats either.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
…I tend to just block Ft. Worth out of my mind, if possible.
by FuturePants on Apr 23, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as a I Dallas
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn I can't type today
Just as I do Dallas
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all leagues better than Houston, though.
What a….less than awesome city that is.
by FuturePants on Apr 23, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, very very true
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The FW Cats as a model is probably perfect
You’d have a great natural rivalry between the two teams. And they wouldn’t compete for the same fans – I doubt anyone from Dallas drives to FW for Cats games, or vice versa for a Dallas indy team.
Makes sense to me. There is a market for neighborhood baseball in Dallas, particularly since there is no big name college program (sorry DBU) in Dallas either.
by JBImaknee on Apr 23, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus it's far enough from both Arlington and Frisco
I like it.
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 23, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that far from the Air Hogs though
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by Dirk Diggler on Apr 23, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually wondering
if you could fit a whole League of 8 teams in a metropolis the size of DFW. I think you are right that they actually may have synergy with each other rather than competition, by setting up rivalries.
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by DJCahill on Apr 23, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bakersfield?
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 23, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what league
would they be in?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The long ass bus ride
league. Long way to Stockton.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Apr 23, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
That is why I said an Indy league team first.
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 23, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
reply button is not my friend
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 23, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tricer
made the comment yesterday that we could theoretically buy the BAK franchise and move it to TX where it could become a second AA team, which we could treat as a proving ground before jumping to Frisco. I have no idea if it would work, but it seems feasible.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 23, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they need to move to Frisco?
What would be the difference?
by tyd3311 on Apr 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i really don't know
because they would be playing the same teams.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes about as much sense as building a stadium downtown
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by rentz on Apr 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston
They are trying to bring a minor league baseball team to Sugar Land, which is just outside of Houston. Here is an interesting quote from the article.
The Astros’ territorial rights cover Fort Bend County and Sugar Land, and a minor league team that was affiliated with a major league club could not be located there without the Astros’ approval.
For some reason this article is in PDF format.
by baylor on Apr 23, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they should put one in Montgomery County then
because the Woodlands/Conroe area is just as densely populated.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 23, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine
if they have rights in Fort Bend, they have rights in Montgomery. They probably have rights in the 5 county area.
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by DJCahill on Apr 23, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
I live at SSOL – if this happens you can bet I’ll be there every day they play if the Rangers are away, regardless of who it is.
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by lisa w on Apr 23, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lisa in Dallas not Lamar in Arlington
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
by boomer1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I live next door to this plot of land right now, in the South Side on Lamar complex.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Apr 23, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent info
now what is your apt # and the code to the gate?
by bushe on Apr 23, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
nice try
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Apr 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck getting in even if you have that stuff
They won’t even let a Pizza guy up without calling the resident first.
Needless to say, I live in the same building. I want more stuff around here, and baseball would be a damn fine thing to have. I’ve never cared much for indie leagues, though, because the players suck. I’ll still watch, and it will draw because of its location and the view. It would be a nice experience. Light rail access, too.
This is, of course, where the Rangers should have built their park.
by Black Francis on Apr 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man...
nice stalking
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by Walter Sobchak on Apr 23, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's hoping for a AAA team...
I work downtown, and if there was some way to move the Rangers AAA affiliation to a Dallas team, I’d definately have season tickets.
by cstorm15 on Apr 23, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On second thought...
Is that artist’s rendition in any way accurate? There’s no outfield seats. Hard to imagine a AA or AAA moving to Dallas with so few seats.
by cstorm15 on Apr 23, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, doubtful this would be AAA
Plus, the Rangers complex in OKC is pretty nice. It’s nearly impossible for me to believe them leaving that thing to go to that drawing.
by FuturePants on Apr 23, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I've been there
I like their park better than Frisco. And they used to draw well…I’m guessing they still do.
by Black Francis on Apr 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are outfield seats.
There’s a large “Concession” sign in centerfield so you have to figure there are seats. They are probably just out of sight from the angle shown.
by northtexan95 on Apr 23, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's probably just grass seating
…similar to what they have at Round Rock.
by Black Francis on Apr 23, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's big enough for AAA, I think.
Significantly bigger than Frisco when you look at all those infield seats + the boxes.
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by thedirkatron on Apr 24, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
teams
If you read down in the article, you learn that:
Earlier this month, Bryant and Pierce’s Reunion Sports Group bought United League Baseball out of bankruptcy. The 3-year-old minor league has teams in Amarillo, Edinburg, Laredo, San Angelo, the Rio Grande Valley and Alexandria, La.
Sounds like it was be an unaffiliated semi-pro squad.
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by trza on Apr 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bleh...
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by Kinslerhomer on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
what kind of breakeven do you need for a minor league franchise? I assume you don’t draw more than a couple thousand average, right?
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by DJCahill on Apr 23, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what do they pay their players?
Not much more than hundred bucks a game, right? Say you pay your roster $2000-3000 a game. Get 1,000 fans on average, paying $10 bucks, maybe averaging another $5 in profits from concessions, of course you only make money on home games…
Just a hugely different scale from regular ballclubs, but I could see how it’d be mildly profitable.
by JBImaknee on Apr 23, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but...
Can you imagine the smell of the Trinity River in the middle of the summer? For 9 innings? I can barely drive over the damn thing without puking.
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Apr 23, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I have to hold my breath sometimes when walking out to the car.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Apr 23, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but they're going to clean up the river
and dredge up all those bodies and remove the sewage.
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by rentz on Apr 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 7th Inning Stretch
Where everyone can climb to the top of the outfield seats and see the Dallas Police dragging the river for bodies.
by Mister Naxal on Apr 23, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
I just posted an article on this. Didn’t see yours, futurepants. Will delete.
by Black Francis on Apr 23, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i have
been pushing the idea for a High A league for Texas for years. i don’t see how it couldn’t work. attendance would be a WHOLE lot better than Cal league. they draw squat. people have always said the travel. what the heck is the Texas league? corpus to midland to springfield and wichita. 8 teams in texas would work. could incorporate some of the teams in the United League these guys own.
Amarillo, San Angelo, 1 or two of the border teams, add the dallas team and a sugarland team, reintroduce an El Paso team and another someplace else and you have a better drawing league than the Cal.
by mo on Apr 23, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a lot more distance to travel than Cal League
Sugarland to El Paso is a hike.
by FuturePants on Apr 24, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not as much
as Texas league. leave el paso out then. not bad for travel then.
by mo on Apr 24, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only way this makes sense is if Texas was willing to put our AAA team there.
And I think we’re pretty happy with OKC, though maybe I’m wrong there. You’d think having our team there would be a pretty important way to tap into the Oklahoma market, at least theoretically.
Unless I’m mistaken no other team would be allowed to put their AAA (or even AA) team right smack dab in the middle of our territory like that.
I know a lot of teams are liking the idea of putting their AAA teams right near their homes like this.
Atlanta abonded Richmond and built a team in freaking Gwynett. Gwynett sucks.
Nice looking stadium, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"I guess it’s tough to look good when you play on the same team as Marcus Lemon." -Trip Somers.
"Congratulations, Mr. Somers. You just made THE LIST." -The Newberg, after reading the above comment.
by thedirkatron on Apr 24, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I was thinking
makes 0 sense unless the rangers AAA team moves there and I dont think they are.
Another indy league team in the metroplex just doesnt jive
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by rentz on Apr 24, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With AA, AAA, and the MLB teams all in the same area...
I wonder how much the team would save in logistics. A player promoted from AA to AAA can stay in the same housing, and calling players up from AAA wouldn’t require a plane flight. It would also be much easier for the roving coordinators and the front office to monitor prospects.
That said, it’s kinda ass-backwards to have a minor league team outside downtown Dallas and the major league team in Arlington (then again, I’m biased).
by cstorm15 on Apr 24, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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