OT: Swine Flu
I'm sure you all have heard/read/saw about the swine flu. Everytime I turn on the tv, it's being talked about. Same goes for the radio. Online every site is talking about it. It has me pretty creeped out honestly. I'm now carrying hand sanitizer and washing my hands every 15 minutes. I freak out when someone coughs or sneezes close to me.
I guess my question to you all is..what do you all think about this whole Swine Flu outbreak? Will it get worse? will it become a serious virus worldwide? Is it being overly done and overly reported, and are we over reacting?
Are you scared of getting it? Are you freaking out and washing your hands all the time and avoiding hand shakes, etc?
There are many questions when it comes to this and I just thought I'd get the views of the LSBers.
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I think
It’s the latest overblown scare thing besides the bees are dying, homelessness, AIDS, y2k bug, the ozone hole, acid rain, disappearing rainforests (remember that one?), (did I miss any? I’m certain I did fill me in) that’s going to kill us all, usually unless we vote for your friendly local Democrat politician too.
That said, it’s more interesting than those. Something basic about a nice old fashioned disease epidemic.
Man...SARS.....Does it make me a weirdo to ask if someone has SARS when they cough around me?
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Pocket Ninja on Apr 29, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
No
It’s a good way to break the ice.
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by inactive lsb user on Apr 29, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Sweeps
Don’t forget it’s sweeps time for the networks. How many people get infected with regular flu every year? How many die? Swine flu is not a legitimate concern or a legitimate news story. This is the same as when the networks focused on every kidnapping a couple of years ago. The news caused a panic, although kidnappings were down for that year.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Apr 29, 2009 7:14 AM CDT reply actions
I wouldn't go that far
But I kind of agree with you. I just differ in that it is a legitimate concern. It’s been a while since the US has seen a big flu pandemic, and we all know that it CAN happen.
However it’s a little too early to say what’s going to come of it. You’re right in that tons of people get the “regular” or seasonal flu every year and there’s a pretty big death toll from it. Usually, though, those people were in high risk groups. Ordinarily flu won’t kill a person. And it doesn’t seem like this swine flu is especially worse than the seasonal flu strains, although I guess I could be wrong about that. It seems I read that a few of the confirmed cases in NYC and CA have already pretty much recovered. If that’s the case it’s far from a death sentence.
I would be concerned about the old and the young, especially if those people have other respiratory problems. But you’re concerned every flu season about that.
I’m no epidemiologist, but it seems to me like there just may be an extention of the flu season this year. And that is kine of a big deal in and of itself. Flu sucks..
by Black Francis on Apr 29, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
My guess is
that it will be as big of a deal as SARS.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
it's all about the potential devestation
since flu has like a 10% death rate or so, while avian flu has a death rate of like 90%. the coverage is overblown, but i still wouldn’t be heading to mexico right now.
i think this is part of the problem

LOL
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 29, 2009 8:09 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Every year 36,000 people in the US die from the Flu. The normal one.
So far, over 13,000 people have died in the US since January from the Flu.
Worldwide, over 500,000 die from the flu each year. Right now, there are a little of 60 hospitalized cases of the swine flu in the USA, yet it’s this strain that is getting the attention. It’s new, so its scary, so it gets ratings.
It’s a tough one, because it causes the victim to become severely dehydrated because of diarrhea and the like, which is why those who can’t beat it need to go to the hospital to I.V. fluids. Third world countries and rural areas (like Mexico) that don’t have the greatest medical care will see a higher death rate since those who contract this strain can’t get the IV fluids they need.
To me, SARS is much scarier.
And those walking around wearing surgical masks are freaking stupid. That doesn’t do a single thing from protecting you from the flu. Just wash your hands, don’t make out with someone who is sick.
Of course, anytime something like this comes out in the news, my thoughts immediately go to:

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I think the reason
swine flu is getting more attention is because of the number of 20-40s being taken out by the flu in Mexico. Normally the flu kills the very young and the very old.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
Yep
and the fact that it’s a different type of flu virus means they just don’t know what it will do. There is certainly real cause for concern and precaution, but the media always hyperventilate at the latest story. There are too many 24-hr. news channels doing too much surfacy reporting of too many stories. They just repeat, breathlessly, the same hot story all day as if your very life depended on that minute’s update.
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hahahha
this was brought up at work today (the stand) talking about the flu
funny
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 29, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Boy, Europe is sure panicking about it
They basically want to isolate Mexico by cutting off all flights from Mexico to EU countries (which really is how many? Wouldn’t the vast majority of Mexico-Europe travelers pass through Miami?)
And Egypt used this as an excuse to kill all their pigs – even though they haven’t had any reported cases yet.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97S574G1&show_article=1
Egypt
even though the most common way to transmit it is from human to human
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
so kill all humans?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 29, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I
laughed. Thank you.
I had a secret meeting in the basement of my brain.
by red shoe ranger on Apr 29, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahaha
stupid freakin Egyptians
Chris (NJ): I am personally offended at how you ranked a prospect from my favorite team, even though I do not know said prospect, nor have I ever seen him play. In my opinion you only have your job because, like your employers, you have an unholy bias towards my favorite team’s rival. Also, you’re short.
Keith Law: You’re right. I am short.
It is not that big of a deal
I spoke to a physician about it and he said there are two antibiotics that will completely knock it out and that even without those people are making full recoveries in the US from the disease. I normally eat out almost every meal, but I am going to stop doing that for a week or two just to be safe. Other than that, I don’t plan to change anything. The news channels are way over blowing this.
antibiotics...
do not knock out viral infections. Antibiotics are anti-bacterial.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Your physician is
an idiot. Mostly the anti-biotic comment.
He’s part of the reason there are so many resistant bugs out there.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
sorry i misquoted him
they are antiviral drugs.
Tamiflu and Relenza completely knock out the virus.
by trgordon723 on Apr 29, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
From what my profs have said...
this strain of influenza is so deadly because it activates your immune system too much and can even cause a cytokine storm. Therefore Tamiflu and the like actually does more harm than good.
Of course I heard this from my neuro lab professor who’s like in his 80s and occasionally seems to lapse into periods of senility during class, so you have to take that into consideration.
that doesnt seem
to make a whole lot of sense… You’d think the people that run these disease control things would know that.
Chris (NJ): I am personally offended at how you ranked a prospect from my favorite team, even though I do not know said prospect, nor have I ever seen him play. In my opinion you only have your job because, like your employers, you have an unholy bias towards my favorite team’s rival. Also, you’re short.
Keith Law: You’re right. I am short.
Update... kindof
Well I just did a quick Google search to see if my professor was right, and it seems that nobody really knows yet. There’s a lot of fear-mongering out there that it causes this but at least for now, nobody really knows for sure.
http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2009/04/swine_flu_and_deaths_in_health.php
There’s a newer Washington Post article at the bottom of that one that also mentions the possibility.
It all comes down to the high death rate in Mexico in people from 18-50. Sure there’s a few theories on what causes it but the cytokine storm is the most troubling one that we should be on a look out. Remember the 1918 Spanish Influenza pandemic, that’s been mentioned by the media non-stop? Well it was so deadly because it produced a cytokine storm in healthy individuals.
I also got a few more of the opinions with some of the faculty at my med school this morning and from the sound of things they were pretty much split 60/40 against on the possibility of this being a cytokine storm linked disease. Most seemed to believe that it just got started in places with a higher percentage of people in the 18-50 year old age group and so there was just more of them that caught the disease first then the other age groups.
However they all did say that if it is discovered that a cytokine storm is involved in this influenza virus and you’re young and healthy do not take Tamiflu. This will make your immune system stronger and make you more susceptible to the negative effects of a cytokine storm.
hmm, its crazy
what alot of built up fear can do
Chris (NJ): I am personally offended at how you ranked a prospect from my favorite team, even though I do not know said prospect, nor have I ever seen him play. In my opinion you only have your job because, like your employers, you have an unholy bias towards my favorite team’s rival. Also, you’re short.
Keith Law: You’re right. I am short.
got anythign else?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 29, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
no, the main stream media is overblowing a story
surely you jest!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 29, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I have had a horrible cold since around Wed. last week
and now I’m freaking everyone at work out.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
tell then a family member just returned from Mexico and get a free vacation!
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Media hyperbole
I just get beaten down by the ridiculous media overreaction to these kinds of stories. I’m sure it will be about as bad as Avian Flu and SARS, and people dying is terrible and all that jazz. But like Brandon Worley already said, hundreds of thousands die every year from vanilla flu. You never hear about that.
At least now every story isn’t about THIS ECONOMY. I am well past tired of every conceivable news story being framed IN THIS ECONOMY, so at least the media is flipping out about something else for a change. The first story I see about the effects of OMG SWINE FLU on THIS ECONOMY might cause me to eat a bullet though.
Also this: 
by Bandire on Apr 29, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This post accurately reflects all of my sentiments on the matter.
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¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
by inactive lsb user on Apr 29, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That scene from Raiders of the Lost Arc
haunted me throughout childhood.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Cecilio's Guante on Apr 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
reply to Bandire
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Cecilio's Guante on Apr 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by inactive lsb user on Apr 29, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I was sick off and on for about 10 days
Right when I got back from the Rangers home opener. Sat next to a woman on the flight down that seemed to have a cold.
Whatever. It hasn’t killed me yet. I don’t care what strain it is it’s just the f’n flu.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
I have something too
I’m not sure what it is. I’ve had achy joints and been dead tired with no appetite for since the weekend. Fever has never been that high so I don’t think it’s flu of any kind, though. Being sick sucks.
by Black Francis on Apr 29, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Texas High School Athletics canceled.
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-texashssports-swineflu&prov=ap&type=lgns
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
forum link: http://www.smoaky.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=95633&st=0
the dumb UIL is taking qualifing times from district meets…the problem is that in the smaller classifications, good athletes run multiple events…and if they are running the mile at the start of the meet and then the mile relay later in the meet and they can win the mile easily, but itsgonna be close in the miel relay, clearly they are going to conserve some energy to win by 30 secs instead of a min or by 15 secs instead of 45 or win by 100m instead of 2 00 or 300 meters
they are evidently ending the baseball season for most teams (my brother was told they were done till 4/23, which the prbolem with that is that their game fri wouldnt have effected their playoff chances but GREATLY effects the 3-way tie there currently is for the last 2 postseason spots…)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 29, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
This is a ridiculous decision. Some bigger schools hold guys out of relays in the district meet to score more points. A school might know they can win a relay using back up runners but not have one of the top 4 times in the region. Let’s say a team knows they can win the 4×400 relay without using their fastest 400 runner. They take their fastest guy and let him run the 200 instead of the 4×4 because he can score them points in that event which gives them a better chance to win district. Now, that team wins the 4×4 but ends up with the 5th best time in their region. They are denied a place in state without using their best runner.
Teams don’t plan for their district times to determine state. A poor analogy would be if 2 weeks before the end of the regular season, MLB decided that Spring Training results would determine playoff teams.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 29, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree totally
its stupid
if they are going to do this they should jsut cancel school and re-do the TAKS later tis year
from smoaky:
I am absolutely disgusted by this. i was scheduled to throw this weekend and wont be able to now. I had an off day at district, then solve what i was doing wrong and begin throwing much better. I threw 10 feet farther at the qualifiers meet and have upped that even more since in practice. people peak at regionals. not always at district. ridiculous!! my friend who many of u know from WO trevor coppedge broke his neck during the summer in an accident. he had to sit out all basketball season to just watch. track rolls around and hes able to participate. kid has absolutely worked his butt off to come back from such a tragic accident and to get back into remarkable shape. Placed 2nd at district in 300s and 3rd in the 100s. Turns around and betters his time in the 110s remarkably and places 3rd in the qualifiers meet at WO against 4A and 5A schools from all over East Texas. Sadly because of this stupid UIL, he will probably not be able to move on.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 29, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
same situation
at our school. Sophomore won district throwing the shot at 48. He’s been working out since that meet and is up to 52 or so. He wants badly to throw at regionals but is nowhere close to the top 4. Another kid we have is a stud track kid. Runs, the 4×4, open 400, and open 200. To save energy at district, he cruised in the open 200 and placed 2nd using as little energy as possible. He is sitting in 5th right now in the region and won’t go to “State” when he had the fastest time in the DFW area in the 200 this year.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 29, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
this whole situation is foolish
they made that comparison with a guy who has run the fastest time in the 1600m in his region but didnt run his hardest at the meet to help anchor the 400m relay
go to smoaky- interesting discussion
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 29, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i have an honest question
…is it REALLY that bad?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Of course not
but what really is the upside and downside to overreacting to a health issue.
If you overreact, and it doesn’t hit, you aren’t getting fired.
If you underreact, and lots of kids die, your career is shot. I can’t imagine not erring on the side of safety. I also can’t imagine a news organization not trying to whip up any crisis that drives viewers.
My guess is that sooner or later one of these contagions breaks loose and kills tens of thousands of people, and if I was in the health chain, I wouldn’t want it to be on my watch.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
Well what I have read
…is that these dire sounding CDC reports and the like are actually part of a process to get its surveillance network (comprised of state and local people) to take this seriously so that they can track it to begin with. Seasonal flu season peaked weeks ago and your local physician would otherwise be much less likely to rapid test or culture for influenza, or report ILI back up the chain.
We do need to watch this, for sure.
Then the media gets hold of these reports and make an apocalyptic event out of it.
by Black Francis on Apr 29, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the Big Boys aren't taking chances
World Health Org has just put the Pandemic alert at a 5 on a scale to 6.
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/phase/en/index.html
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
Do you normally follow such events
or has this hysteria gotten you all worked up to go and research it a little bit?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
by inactive lsb user on Apr 29, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I figured it was worth
seeing what CDC and WHO had to say about it. I figure better to see what they think than to rely on News coverage.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
I'm pretty afraid
…but mainly because what this means for in the future rather then this particular outbreak.
While I doubt this is going to be a major killer (unless the cytokine storm theory is correct) it’s pretty scary to see something like this with so many foreign components that is this transmissible from not only pig to human but human to human. Usually when this happens it goes from pig to human, then stops. No more worries… but this is a much worse situation.
So while I really do believe this is going to go all around the globe (since it’s so easy to trasmit it) I don’t think it’s going to be a major killer by any stretch of the imagination. If it was a major killer I think it would’ve already been killing tons of people in America by now… instead all we got now is a 22 month infant in Houston. While it’s sad to see babies die as long as it’s them and the elderly that are the victims it makes me feel a lot better about the virulence of this virus.
That said this really worries me about future possibilities for pandemics. If the next scare the neuroamidase or hemagglutinin factors are foreign and it’s easily transmissible between humans then this really will be something to fear.
Besides, you can never be too cautious when you’re talking about diseases.
TAAPS with probably a better decision
TAPPS: Swine Flu Notice
The TAPPS Board of Directors met in Executive session on Wednesday, April 29, to determine the TAPPS response to the Swine Flu Pandemic. After discussion and deliberation, the TAPPS Executive Board unanimously determined the following:
At this time, the TAPPS Spring Athletic Playoffs remain intact with no changes. TAPPS continues to monitor the situation and will advise member schools should changes be deemed necessary.
TAPPS is supportive of our member schools and parents. The welfare of students is best determined by parents and individual member schools. No sanction or penalty will be imposed by TAPPS should a school choose to not participate in the TAPPS playoffs in response to health concerns.
imho if they are going to “halt” events, the UIL needs to close schools as well….
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
UIL
has no authority to close schools. They only have authority over sporting events and the like.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
ahhh
ok thanks
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 29, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahh, this is what
private school education does for ya
Chris (NJ): I am personally offended at how you ranked a prospect from my favorite team, even though I do not know said prospect, nor have I ever seen him play. In my opinion you only have your job because, like your employers, you have an unholy bias towards my favorite team’s rival. Also, you’re short.
Keith Law: You’re right. I am short.
Leading off with it on Sportscenter.
This is ridiculous.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
The 2008-2009 Dallas Mavericks are the biggest teases in the world.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
Yes it is...
why the fuck are you watching Sportscenter?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Eating dinner
at the UNT, espn on the tv. But I watch sportscenter sometimes, just turn the volume down and watch the highlights.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
The 2008-2009 Dallas Mavericks are the biggest teases in the world.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
Very well then...
carry on.
By the way, nice avatar.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Thanks
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
The 2008-2009 Dallas Mavericks are the biggest teases in the world.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
Got this from a friend on Facebook who is a nurse in Dallas in ICU
As most all of you know by now, I’ve been an ICU nurse for the past 3 years. I’ll cut to the chase….this swine flu is becoming a BIG deal.
The CDC spent some time in our ER yesterday restructuring triage and isolation. Suspected cases of swine have already occured within our 10-mile radius, schools are closing, etc.
Also, I have done a lot of research, and would like to point out that it is VERY IMPORTANT to remember that this is a recently mutated virus (thus the easy spread between humans), so what we know about it today might not be all we know about it tomorrow. So please, be as safe as possible until we know more.
These are a few little important tid-bits that I’ve gathered:
-asymptomatic incubation period can be 24-48 hours
-they (CDC, WHO) are now suspecting that the virus can live on surfaces for up to 48 hours
-simple surgical masks are not sufficient! (in the healthcare setting, we will be wearing N-95 masks made specifically for airborne precautions such as tuberculosis) Goggles or face shields are also necessary.
-the current WHO phase of pandemic alert is 4…the highest it has ever been. Please familiarize yourself with the scale: http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/phase/en/index.html. In other words….if it hits level 5, we’re pretty much in trouble…..and I wouldn’t be surprised if that didn’t happen by the end of the day today.
I also encourage you to do your own ongoing research!!!!
http://www.who.int/en/
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/
We’ve gotten an email at work…basically some standards that the state of texas wants us to use as guidelines as healthcare providers. I, however, think you guys might find it useful as well:
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Infection Control
Non-Hospitalized Patient
Recommended infection control for a non-hospitalized patient (ER, clinic or home):
§ Separation from others in single room if available until asymptomatic. If the ill person needs to move to another part of the house or clinic, he/she should wear a mask. The ill person should wash hands frequently and follow respiratory hygiene practices. Also encourage ill person and family members to use alcohol hand sanitizer frequently when appropriate. Cups, utensils and other items used by the ill person should be thoroughly washed with soap and water or by a dishwasher before use by other persons.
Hospitalized Patient
Recommended Infection Control for a hospitalized patient:
§ Standard, Droplet and Contact precautions for 7 days after illness onset or until symptoms have resolved.
§ In addition, personnel should wear N95 respirators when entering the patient room.
§ Use an airborne infection isolation room (AIIR) with negative pressure air handling, if available; otherwise use a single patient room with the door kept closed.
§ For suctioning, bronchoscopy, or intubation, use a procedure room with negative pressure air handling.
Ill Individuals
Recommended PPE for personnel providing care to ill individuals in a clinic or non-hospital setting:
§ Use surgical mask (N95 respirator preferred). Depending on symptoms and nature of procedures consider using disposable gowns, gloves and goggles.
Treatment
At this time, testing indicates swine H1N1 influenza is sensitive to Neuraminidase Inhibitors (oseltamivir [PO] or zanamivir [Inhaled]).
Aspirin or aspirin-containing products (e.g. bismuth subsalicylate – Pepto Bismol) should not be administered to any confirmed or suspected ill case of swine influenza A (H1N1) virus infection aged 18 years old and younger due to the risk of Reye syndrome. For relief of fever, other anti-pyretic medications are recommended such as acetaminophen or non steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs.
Antivirals
§ Antiviral treatment for confirmed or suspected ill case of swine influenza virus infection may include either oseltamivir or zanamavir, with no preference given at this time.
§ Initiate treatment as soon as possible after the onset of symptoms.
§ Refer to CDC recommendations for dosing requirements and contraindications at: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/swine/recommendations.htm
§ If patients report difficulty in obtaining antivirals, the physician should contact the regional or local health department. Contact information for local health departments is at: http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/regions/lhds.shtm and for regional health departments at: http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/regions/default.shtm.
§ Information on individuals receiving antivirals due to suspicion of swine flu or contact with an infected individual should be entered into the Texas Immunization Registry, ImmTrac. This registry will be used to track antiviral medications given in this situation. The ImmTrac Disaster Information Retention Consent (DIR) form will be used to collect this information. The form is available in English and Spanish. The provider dispensing an antiviral prescription must ensure a form is completed for each individual. The form is available at: www.immtrac.com or by request from ImmTrac at 800-252-9152.
§ Recommendations for use of antivirals may change as data on antiviral susceptibilities become available.
Chemoprophylaxis
§ Antiviral chemoprophylaxis (pre-exposure or post-exposure) is recommended for close contacts of a confirmed or highly suspected case of swine influenza virus infection.
§ Chemoprophylaxis is recommended for health care workers caring for patients ill with confirmed or highly suspected swine influenza.
She obviously sent that out earlier because it has now been pushed to level 5 by WHO. Im not too freaked out about any of it but be damned sure if i start getting a cough or fever my ass is going to the doc ASAP
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
So 4 was the highest it has ever been,
and now its 5. Lovely.
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"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
Interesting
I don’t understand the above folks who just poo-poo all this and say it’s nothing. People who study disease for a living are genuinely concerned. Of course, it could all blow over and be nothing, and everyone — WHO and CDC officials included — certianly hopes that is what happens. But when a flu virus mutates I think it’s smart to err greatly on the side of caution. The price for not doing so is simply too high. Who in the hell cares if a few UIL events are cancelled?
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I think the reason...
why some dismiss stuff like this is due to the fact that the media has tried to force shit like this down people’s throats in the past. It seems like every year there is another virus out there that could spread and be deadly.
What sucks is that one of these times it could very well be serious, and like you say, some won’t take it seriously. I certainly hope this is not that time.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
The media is definitely
a little too breathless, but they are too breathless about everything.
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Now I'm hearing on the interweb
That like 7 people have died from Swine Flu. And thousands die every year from regular flu.
Yeah, this is turning into another scare debacle that was absolutely nothing..
Cahill should be proud
And the DNC is probably taking notes on how to scare people more effectively..
Fort Worth ISD just closed all campuses until May 11
The Tarrant Co. health officials were all there for the press conference, so I am betting more Tarrant Co. schools will close before Monday.
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Dykstra has all the money!
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just saw that on the news
that is amazing. When is the last time an ISD that large closed down for that length of time?
I had a secret meeting in the basement of my brain.
by red shoe ranger on Apr 29, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
and with one that big
the rest will probably follow suit… I know Keller says they have two type ‘A’ cases (unconfirmed for Swine Flu right now) so they may make a similar decision.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
ElectricOkra.com
hmmmm
wonder if I should keep my 5 year old home from school(Collin County)? Ben and Skin did a segment on this today. He wanted to keep the kids home and his wife thought that was ridiculous.
I had a secret meeting in the basement of my brain.
by red shoe ranger on Apr 29, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow...
If a huge district like Fort Worth closed….things are more serious than I originally thought. The Taks test is going on this week, and theses districts would rather bite their own leg off than miss it.
Schools are not having to make this up, so I could see a domino effect come soon.
With 10 cases being reviewed in tarrant county, I have a feeling Arlington ISD might be the next to fall.
by death of the cool on Apr 29, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
but
If Fort Worth doesn’t have to make up the TAKS testing than they avoid accountability ratings this year and schools like Poly get a 1 year reprieve from getting shut down. FWISD is asking for a TAKS waiver this year to avoid even having to make up the tests.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 1, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
In case you missed the last swine flu outbreak
Watch the public service announcement HERE
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
heh
didn’t those shots cause neurological disorders?
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Apr 29, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
Read the fucking comments on that video. Insane.
by Black Francis on Apr 29, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, life.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
by inactive lsb user on Apr 29, 2009 10:55 PM CDT reply actions
Is it bad that when I opened this diary I was hoping the Ahmad was announcing that he had the Swine Flu?
I think maybe it is…
The 40 Trumps All!!!
You want the mustache on or off? ... ... ... Too bad.
The Ahmad has been rather impressive in his last few fanposts
He has stirred up intelligent conversation and more impressively has shelved the very disinteresting ‘what-should-be-done-with-me’ persona.
by oc on Apr 30, 2009 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Has he? I long ago stopped paying attention to him and his shtick.
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by thedirkatron on Apr 30, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
When will MLB
cancel a week of games due to the flu? Would they play the games without fans?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I'm Getting More Concerned
In my posts above I was reasonably level-headed, I think, but I’ve got the dreaded anxiety disorder and perhaps that’s one reason I’m beginning to get nervous. I wasn’t until I heard about the FWISD shutdown. To me that sounds like a pretty extreme move that wouldn’t have been made lightly.
I’ve gotta be in Fort Worth tomorrow all day for business, in several places scattered throughout the city and surrounding area.
Honestly, I’m terrified of the regular flu. I had surgery a couple of years ago and went from a person who never, ever got contagious illnesses to one who gets them probably a little too often. And my insurance situation is weird…I do not have access to a doctor here in Dallas…my health plan is great, but it’s owned by a big hospital in central texas and I have to go there for anything. 150 or so miles away. So if I were to get something like this I would likely not see a doctor until I was so sick I required a hospitalization. I live alone, and can envision myself crawling around on the floor looking for the phone to call an ambulance, haha.
Okay, so I’m getting a little ahead of myself.
Questions:
I’ve read conflicting reports. CDC does not clarify. Who is getting this illness? How old are they? Who is getting hospitalized…old people and small children and people with extenuating circumstances like asthma or whatever? What I’m asking is — and surely they know the answer by now — is how does someone who gets this shit feel? Is it worse than regular flu? Again I’ve heard that the symptoms are about the same, and then CDC releases the very cryptic “…more recent illnesses and the reported death suggest that a pattern of more severe illness associated with this virus may be emerging in the U.S.”
There are fewer than 100 confirmed cases reported as of now; why are they not releasing demographic information about who’s likely to get infected and who’s getting so damn sick they need to be hospitalized? Surely they have this information…it’s part of their standard surveillance. They should set up a site like this one, which they have for the seasonal flu.
Dammit, now I’m all freaked out. Probably over nothing, too, which will really piss me off later.
to make you feel better
the 2007-2008 flu season was much worse on the 18 and up age group
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2008-2009/EIP15.htm
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I completely understand
I have a kickass anxiety disorder myself, and before I really got control over it not too long ago, shit like this would’ve really, really freaked me out. You can’t look at this as the run-of-the-mill flu epidemic that happens annually, this is more serious (don’t want to get into the details though because I know how anxiety can work). That being said, the last I had heard, for whatever reason the Swine Flu cases here were much less severe than in Mexico City, hence only 1 person (a baby brought to Houston from Mexico) has died. I definitely wouldn’t take this lightly, but I also wouldn’t become Howard Hughes. I mean, I just plan on using common sense like washing my hands after being in public, ect.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Apr 30, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Cool
Well it’s not cool that you have it, but it’s cool that I’m not completely fucking alone here.
Yeah I had been ignoring the news recently until I happened to hear about this, and since then I’ve immersed myself in news (not network stuff but good sources). So I’m pretty aware of all that. In fact well before I developed an anxiety problem I was always very interested in epidemiolgy. Took two courses on it while in college that were way over my head but I was just interested in it.
Anyway, I have a pretty good handle on the anxiety thing, too, but I have my moments. Guess I always will to some extent.
I know it’s not the run of the mill thing, but I want data and am not getting it. Just numbers on cases and suspected cases. What is it like to have this shit? If I were to contract it would I be so sick I’d be out of work for a week? Cannot afford that…I work for myself and if I do not work I do not make money. That is what I’m really afraid of. It would not impact just that week’s business but it would have a ripple effect for a couple of months. I cannot get sick, period. Can’t be missing work, can’t be running around all over the damn state seeking medical help. You know. I’ve already been slow on the go this week because I’m still getting over some other mysterious illness. No idea what that was, but I still feel tired and run down. Need to get better, not worse.
Anyway, hope everyone stays healthy.
And by the way the more I read the more I realize that children and their school systems are perfect vectors for influenza. They should be banned.
by Black Francis on Apr 30, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
haha yeah
it’s not that cool, but with a shitload of therapy and being able to channel it musically, I rarely feel anxious anymore. But like you, I have my moments and diseases and shit like this can definitely trigger it. Luckily, I just had to do a research project on influenza (like a week before all this started getting news) so I know a little bit more about influenza in general. I really don’t think there are any figures yet and I’m not too sure how much is known, other than the fact that, like I said, for whatever reason the cases aren’t as severe here as they are in Mexico. I wouldn’t freak about it yet, I don’t think this is going to be as bad as the media is playing it up to be. Definitely wouldn’t blow this off and say it’s nothing, but like I said I think common sense stuff would go a long way
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Apr 30, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Regarding the lack of info
they just don’t seem to have a lot of info yet, and the sample sizes for demographics might not be large enough yet to draw useful conclusions from. When they say “more severe illness…may be emerging in the U.S.” keep in mind that prior the symptoms in the U.S. were not severe at all. All you need to do is take the usual precautions. If you get a fever, call the dr., otherwise just wait for this to pass.
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call the doctor
My doctor is a good guy but he won’t do a damn thing without an office visit, and his office is 150 miles away. Wish I could wait for it to pass but in my job I have to deal with people who deal directly with the public. All day, everyday.
So I’m at the mercy of God, I guess. Other than washing my hands I can’t really take any other precautions.
by Black Francis on Apr 30, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Anxiety
I also have anxiety and this is deff. triggering it and freaking me out. Now i keep feeling my head to see if i have a fever and i keep wondering “does my throat and body hurt” im creeped out. can you guys give me some advice on how to deal with anxiety and anxiety about this situation. thanks
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Honestly
just don’t think about it. I don’t know about ya’ll but my biggest problem was over-thinking stuff. It took me a long time to learn to control those racing thoughts, but you just have to realize the chances that you have it right now are extremely slim to none. If you become really sick or if this actually turns into a pandemic (which it’s not yet), then you can worry.
oh and try deep abdominal breathing, that shit really works
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Apr 30, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, dude
that’s my problem..i over think EVERYTHING. if i have any little pain in my body at anytime i always assume the worse. i’m always worrying about myself and those around me getting hurt or something happening, God-forbid. and thanks for the advice.
Free Palestine!
Amen.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
by inactive lsb user on Apr 30, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Makes it worse for me.
Used to be something I could enjoy now and then.
by Black Francis on Apr 30, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
If I ever meet you, I am going to smother your face with Windex. Then I'm going to saw off your head while your dogs watch.
After I’m done gutting your temple, I’m going to fill it with your dog’s favorite dog food and feed them.
by oc on May 1, 2009 4:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I get anxiety over alot of things too
But all I have heard is everybody in the U.S. has recovered so far that have had confirmed cases except that 22 month old baby that came FROM Mexico.
I won’t start worrying until healthy people in the US start dying. Which as of now most have recovered without any treatment at all.
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 30, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Worth noting...
…that new cases in Mexico seem to be leveling off, which I heard on the radio today (so it may or may not be true). If fucking Mexico can contain it, certainly we can.
by Black Francis on Apr 30, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I've seen a computerized prediction
that has the number of cases in the Houston area in the Hundreds, and it is supposed to be one of the harder hit towns. I don’t think its really going to be all that bad. Percentagewise, thats pretty small.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
good news everyone

this happens to be the one weekend that i am going to (and staying) dallas.
what wonderful timing………………………………
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
great, great, great show
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 30, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
BLACK PRESIDENT
It once was said that a black man would be president “when pigs fly” indeed 100 days into Obama’s presidency… Swine flu
Ugh
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
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by Brian Thomas on Apr 30, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
are you shitting me
your funny — clearly a sock puppet btw lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Apr 30, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
FWISD
I covered it briefly in an earlier comment, but I will put it down here again. There is a slight possibility of alterior motives in the case of FWISD shutting down. We all know FWISD has more lower performing students than area suburban districts. There is some talk that TEA will not only allow FWISD to not make up these school days, but they might also allow them to not make up TAKS. If no TAKS tests are taken in FWISD, they avoid accountability ratings for this year. If they avoid accountability ratings, they avoid Average Yearly Progress, or AYP ratings. Any school with a declining AYP rating for 5 consecutive years is shut down. FW Poly is sitting right at that mark. If there AYP rating does not improve, they will be shut down after this school year making a huge mess for FWISD. Maybe, just maybe, FWISD saw this as a way to save Poly and some other campuses for 1 more year and see if they can’t get stuff fixed.
Just a theory floating around the educational world…
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 1, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions
the fear is growing
lewisville closed schools for the next week.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
A good link
Should assuage some people’s fear. LINK
But if it is more like the 1918 flu than we think, we’re in for a rough ride come next flu season. Nature may be giving us a warning sign. The good thing is, the government seems to be paying attention and by then we should have a vaccine for it.
We well all live, after all.

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