2009 Rangers wins poll
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 3, 2009 12:18 PM CDT
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How many wins does this team have in 2009?
Cast your vote, and feel free to make a specific guess as to win total in the comments...
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81-81
on the button .500. Just good enough to hesitate to flip guys at the deadline but not good enough to get in the playoffs.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 3, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions
84-78
57 games in the weak West, if things fall right…
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
77-85...
which will be enough to stay in the division race ’til about the last 4 weeks of the season. Damn the AL West is going to be ugly this year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Homerific.
79-81 was my vote.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Yeah, I can't believe 85-87 is winning.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
You gave up on guessing the outcome
of the last 2 games in the season?
That's a range of wins...
not a win-loss.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
That's what I thought at first.
That’s one of the options: 79-81 wins
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
83-79
2nd place.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
The 2008-2009 Dallas Mavericks are the biggest teases in the world.
55-57 wins...
…The Outlaw
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
predictions
What do you guys think of these predictions for the season?
http://fanzak.com/fzrants/American_League_Playoff_and_Award_Predictins
84 wins
I think that the team is on the verge. And I wouldn’t be surprised with anything between 70 and 92, first place to last. Kind of agree with you in that chat you had up the other day.
76-78
and that was a little homerism (75 I think is the right answer)
Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder
I went with 82-84
But I could see them winning 75 games as I could 89 games. This team is about to turn the corner and ride the youngsters to the promise land as early as next year. IMO
Keith Law on Greg Golson, "He's similiar to Cameron and Hunter in that all three are black."
http://tinyurl.com/ranger-rage
I'm in at 73-89 this year but my vision isn't blocked by pom poms.
If Brandon McCarthy goes 17-8 with a 3.75 ERA and everything else goes right, they can win 83 games.
The Angels win a barnburner race with the A’s and go 87-75.
The Rangers are in a life and death struggle to stay ahead of the M’s.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
If we get 17 wins from McCarthy
I bet we are going to be much closer to 90 wins than 80.
And the M’s are going to be an atrocious team again this year.
What do voluntary mean?
I'd be happy to get 17 starts out of McCarthy and don't know
of anybody who thinks he can go 17-8 with a 3.75 ERA.
Per the M’s, they could easily get to 75 wins. How?
Their pythag was 67-95 last year so they should see some bounce from that. They have a new manager (who will be better than Ron Washington if he has a pulse). Their division is not as strong as it was last year. They had lots of dissension in 2008 so trades were made. Bedard, Washburn & Beltre are all playing for contracts and Silva has dropped the fork and 50 lbs.. Morrow’s role is now defined and he good. Richie Sexson is no longer a Mariner.
It’s very easy to see how they could get to 75 wins which would put them in a life & death struggle with a more mediocre than normal Texas Rangers team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
With VERY minor tweaks..
EVERY FLIPPIN’ ONE of those points could also be applied to Tex – contract year performance, organic growth, a bounce due to Maddux, etc, etc.
I don’t see why the Mariners are looking all rosy for this year, yet the Rangers aren’t.
You, sir, have fallen into the trap.
You’re trying to use solid, justifiable logic against Josey Wales.
While I applaud your effort, you’re missing one key component: he’s immune to that.
That’s because he’s got a Great Feel for The Show. And capitalization.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
You made the statement
You said
If Brandon McCarthy goes 17-8 with a 3.75 ERA and everything else goes right, they can win 83 games.
Your wrong about the Rangers likely being only a 83 win team if McCarthy performs like that. At least have the gumption to claim your own comments.
As for the M’s. Their pitching is just about as bad as ours. Their offense is horrible. Now Ichiro is out for the first two weeks at least. Washburn is a spare. Bedard can’t stay healthy. Beltre is likely what he is. Basically your predicting best case scenario for the Ms. Thats fine. If it does happen they could well contend. Of course if everything goes right for us we could well have a 90+ win team on our hands.
What do voluntary mean?
I guess a big part of this is that most of you don't
understand what I mean when I say “if everything goes right…” . My interpretation of that statement is when players play to their paper or what they’re reasonably expected to do in 2009.
Padilla & Millwood are projected by almost every source I have seen to be .500 pitchers with 4.50+ ERAs. If they combined to go 28-27 with a 4.57 ERA, I’d consider that something that “goes right.”
If Hamilton hits 34 bombs with 125 RBI and a .900 OPS, I’d consider that something else that “goes right.”
That’s one of the reasons I say if McCarthy goes 17-8 with a 3.75 ERA and everything else goes right, they might go 83-79.
This team is so bad that it’s going to take a mystery guest putting up those numbers along with everything else going right for them to win 83 games.
Shouldn’t be a tough concept to get your arms around for people who know anything about the Great Game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Basically
Nice back handed insult there.
My problem is that my reading of your statement goes something more like. Oh crap someone realized I said something stupid. Okay time to start spinning this. Okay its spun now. Now call them stupid and that should finish it.
If your the statistical person you put yourself forward as you obviously realize that the projections aren’t a best case scenario, they are a middle of the bell curve situation. IE a 50th percentile. That is what makes for a good projection, trying to aim for the middle because that means you are less likely to be significantly wrong. Hamilton hitting 34 bombs with 125 RBIs and a 900 ops isn’t going right, its pretty much hitting what most think is about the likely average for him.
McCarthy going 17-8 with a 3.75 ERA is probably everything going right with respect to him. The thing is that it would obviously have a domino effect on the rest of the staff. The BP suddenly has less work. Which likely means the other starters get a few more wins also. Projections work that way. If one person exceeds projections that will usually lead to another player or two exceeding them also. That is what really makes that best case scenario for McCarthy meaning almost no change for the team phenomenally stupid.
What do voluntary mean?
I didn't say anything that was stupid
but there was a misunderstanding (talked about earlier today mentioning Hamilton / Cruz combining for 100 HR) concerning what “everything goes right” means to me and to others.
If Padilla & Millwood go 2006 on us AND McCarthy goes 17-8 (with the 3.75 ERA) there’s probably a good chance this thing wins 90+ games but how likely is that?
I’ll settle for P&M going 28-27 this year with the mid 4 ERA and consider it a win.
Any other questions or thoughts?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
still spinning
If Millwood and Psdilla have a mid 4 ERA, Mid 4 for us non Josey humans means around 4.5, they will not be.500 pitchers. Last year Padilla had a 4.7 ERA and produced an 14-8 Record.
Even if the offense regresses some, something I’m not convinced is going to happen, lets say to 850 runs for the year, that means 5.2 runs a game. Which baring incredibly bad luck should mean a Pitcher with a mid 4 ERA will win many more games than they lose. Its simple mathematics. If the team scores more runs than the pitcher gives up they get a win.
What do voluntary mean?
Without looking I wanna say
that Millwood is projected for a low 4 ERA this year while Padilla is projected in the 4.6-4.7 range. Combining the two pitchers, a mid 4ish ERA and something like a 21-21 W/L is what has been projected for both pitchers this upcoming season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I agree
but in the real world those projections don’t make sense.
Unless our offense slips all the way down to where we are scoring 4.5 runs a game it doesn’t make sense that our pitchers will be 500 if they give up 4.5 a game.
The other possibility is that they are predicting a melt down of the a side of our bullpen, which if I remember correctly they aren’t. So the numbers just flat out don’t make sense as far as the wins and losses go. Unless you think we are going to score somewhere under 800 runs a game this year.
What do voluntary mean?
Why is it
that someone who is slightly more optimistic than you is blinded by pom poms?
It’s schtick like that that gives you a bad rep.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
It's his assclownerism that gives him a bad rep.
Assclownerism permeates his whole being.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Concur...
I predicted 77-85, but my vision is clearly blocked because I really like what JD has done for the most part in the last coule years. Obviously 77 wins would be fantastic, right?
Josey does what he does because as Ben states he’s an assclown, but also because people continue to reply/argue with him about his ludicrous opinions.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I've gotten to like arguing with Josey
sometimes. Josey is so far biased he’s like one of those shopping carts with a bad wheel: he takes constant correction. And it’s fun goading him into making even more of an ass of himself. The thread the other day where he was reciting “details” of some long ago Rangers season was the topper. There is truly no limit to his opinion of himself.
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He's fun if you know when to just quit
The thing I hate is when he takes up 150 posts with a whole bunch of the same crap and I was actually expecting good baseball talk.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Reciting details of a random year
should be a clear demonstration that I’m more than a casual fan of the team and that I don’t root for failure.
Some, most (?) Rangers fans aren’t very sophisticated. You see it in spades today where several people (including Adam) can’t understand why so many prognosticators see this as a truly hideous team.
When I see a bad team, I’m not afraid to call bullshit. If that bothers some of the twits in here, who cares?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
A legend in your own mind.
A dog has to wag its own tail, I suppose.
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Another way of saying
you’ve got nothing in your bag, Tball.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Ok, whatever
People who have a different opinion from you are not automatically clueless idiots or mindless cheerleaders. And besides, as I have pointed out before, your opinion of the team is not really so different from most here. Everyone here thinks the pitching stinks, the defense needs to improve, Washington leaves much to be desired, Daniels has made some big mistakes, Hicks is an ass, etc.
Your image of yourself as some kind of lone wolf, bravely holding to the truth is pretty funny. The only topic you really differ from the “unsophisticated” masses to any degree is your complete and total hatred of Daniels. You refuse to admit that he’s made some good moves along the way, and to prove your point you’ll lose whatever baseball sense you usually have in your asinine arguments. He’s made some big mistakes, but to not see the turnaround in the last couple years is just being obstinate. Even when Nolan Ryan seems to be completely supporting Daniels, you wonder what’s wrong with Ryan instead of thinking that maybe, just maybe Daniels might not be a total waste after all. Daniels made some huge mistakes, and took some chances that didn’t pan out. You are not the only person that knows this.
You claim to be some sort of beacon of truth, not afraid to call bullshit. Instead you’re just plain full of shit.
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Being accused of assclownery from
benmor doesn’t carry too much weight when one considers that he made a public proclamation to break into my house and wipe his ass with my toothbrush.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
No, not wipe my ass with it.
I said I was going to poop in your mouth while you were sleeping, and that I was also going to poop on your toothbrush, so that you would wake up and say, “Oh, damn, someone shit in my mouth while I was sleeping!” and then you’d go to brush your teeth, and BAM, I shit on that, too.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Apr 3, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Very sophisticated take, benmor
and now we know why somebody else created this website and why you’re known as “The Little Chickenhawk”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I'm still trying to figure out...
why you’re known as “The Cincinatti Bowtie.”
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
x
If Brandon McCarthy goes 17-8 with a 3.75 ERA and everything else goes right, they can win 83 games.
This is one of the stupidest things I’ve read in a long time.
The idea that 83 wins is a possible ceiling, but only if McCarthy has a Cy Young caliber season and “everything else goes right,” is moronic.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 3, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not knowing how the M's have caught or surpassed
the Rangers in pre-season prognostications isn’t very smart either.
The Rangers are rolling with two catchers (nice prospects) who have never had a successful year in The Show.
The Rangers are rolling with a 1B (nice young player) who has never had a full successful season in The Show.
The Rangers are rolling with a 20 year old SS even though it almost always takes a very good to great player to survive a year in The Show at that age.
The Rangers are also rolling with a new 3B who has the skillset to survive and do well but there is going to be a sizable transition (Cal Ripken says 100 games).
The Rangers are now suddenly depending on Andruw Jones to give them something plus they also desperately need Hank Blalock to be healthy. Neither of these things have happened in a couple of years.
The Rangers are also rolling with a RF who has never had a successful season in The Show and need him to replace the 34 HR/117 RBi & .954 OPS they received from their plethora of RFs last year.
Aren’t we going with pretty much the same staff we had last year, you know, the staff that gave up 967 runs? Gee, what a well thought out plan, I hope everything goes right here as well.
Oh, is that the eternally dim-witted Ron Washington we are rolling with once again as our manager? Hmmmmmm, didn’t we finish last season 19-29 with him as our manager.
So you see, if Brandon McCarthy goes 17-8 with a 3.75 ERA and everything else goes right and we don’ t have any injuries, this team can indeed win 83 games.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
x
I don’t see what that has to do with “if everything goes right”.
If everything goes right, this is a 110 win team. If everything goes wrong, it is a 60 win team.
Saying it is maybe an 83 win team if everything goes right is dumb.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 3, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
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“Everything right” has a lot of definitions but it’s relative and doesn’t mean that Cruz & Hamilton are going to combine for 100 HRs or that Padilla & Millwood will combine for 40 wins along with McCarthy going 17-8.
Not having a clue as to how the M’s have caught or in some cases passed the Rangers is really dumb or at the very least naive. You’re not dumb.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Its funny how much he cheers for the M's
That is, except for last year when they were bad.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Not a mystery
No other comment
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 3, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I want the Rangers to
kick the Ms ass every time they play.
If you have proof that I don’t, please advise.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
you say that but...
it seems to me you would rather be “right” and the Rangers suck, then be “wrong” and the Rangers (with the current FO) do well.
It may seem that way
but I assure you it is not.
I smell 73-89 this year and desperately hope that I’m wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
And because I think there's a good chance for
80 wins you brand me as a mindless cheerleader. Long live the Truth!
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Ah GDawg you forget
The M’s were one of “the best run franchises” going into the ’08 season.
It wasnt until after they had seperated themselves from the pack that he went silent on that subject….
"I Blame Mark Conner"
Ms
were one of the worst run franchises, making terrible moves every offseason. overpaying players etc. that were no good.
Bring on April 6th!
But, but, but...
they had a winning record at the beginning of the decade and a big payroll. To Josey, that equals top 3 franchise. Now that they only have the high payroll, they’re only a top 10 franchise.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Very Hodsonian of you red3biggs
He loves to lie like he has to breathe and thrives on sticking false words upon those he attacks….generally you’re a little better than that.
I said the M’s were a better run franchise than the Rangers (which is damning with feint praise when one realizes what a mess Tom Hicks has created) and cited their record over the past 10 years, their attendance and their ability to drive so much revenue despite being in a much smaller market.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I'll suggest the Rangers are 10 games better than the M's
In the 2009 season. Would you like to give me 2-1 or 3-2 odds for a thousand, or if that’s too steep, a hundred?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 3, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if there's anything better on LSB...
…than watching Ed Coffin call someone out. Easily the most mild-mannered, level-headed LSB vet throwing his weight around.
Love it.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
A thousand is not too steep but I don't do
bets via internet or with people I don’t know.
The currency of smack is good enough for me.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
what about...
instead of betting money, making the bet about giving the winner the right to dictate the loser’s signature on LSB posts for the next year.
As many times as you go to the games
I’m sure you and Ed could setup a get together.
Infact, considering how much money you save by never paying for your tickets, im sure the cash shouldnt be a problem at all.
"I Blame Mark Conner"
Its Ed
Don’t you trust him? Is it because you keep getting banned each offseason over at Newberg’s?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Ed will just have to settle for the currency of smack
and being able to say he was right and I was wrong about the Rangers & Ms this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
like you give a shit about being wrong.
i try to stay out of this but this really is jackassery of the highest level. putting nothing of value to you on the line proves nothing and saying that its important to you cause you say so is even more lame-tarded.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
I'm very choosy about who I make my bets with and nobody
should be offended by that statement.
I bet with people I know and not on the internet.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I say 82 wins..
care to make a friendly wager? You say 73, i say 82. I think we have all established how negative you are with the rangers. The midpt between those is 77.5. If the rangers win more 78 or more you are done on this board. If they win less im done. I know i dont post much during the offseason but still…
Care to put your posting rights where your mouth is?
MCave
If I’m gone, who is going to tell you the painful truth about the Rangers and when it’s okay to hold realistic optimism?
Can you imagine how fun it is going to be for all the mindless cheerleaders to rub my 73-89 prediction in my face if I’m wrong?
I like your spunk, kid but no thanks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I like your spunk, kid?
Yes, we’re all just children here, playing at your knee, oh wise one.
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Reminder, everyone.
You don’t have a mind. In fact, nobody on here has a mind besides Josey.
Carry on.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
Just shows
me that even you dont believe in your predictions. It is a very simple proposition. Im confident in my prediction, why arent you?!?!
Also
This “everything else goes right” assumes that, in the games where McCarthy doesn’t get a decision, the team goes 66-71.
So if, for example, the Rangers were to have McCarthy go on the d.l. all season, but everything else went right, Josey thinks this is a 78 win team.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 3, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No
I’m down for 73-89 with or without McCarthy.
That record takes into account that McCarthy will likely suffer from a ruptured vulva in early May and be physically unable to make 17 starts muchless win 17 games.
This is a collection of talent that can help your fantasy team but not so much when it actually comes to doing well in this little thing called the “standings.” They’re led by one of the worst managers in MLB and there’s a good reason (actually several) why so many prognosticators feel this team will lose 89 games or more.
This is exactly what I have been saying for most of this off-season so how in the hell can you be so blind to this or be so surprised by what most reputable experts across the country are saying?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
You have just said
the the player that pretty much every single prognosticator says is the most important player for the Rangers potential record totals this year is irrelevant. Pretty much everyone talking about the Rangers hinges us over performing what they suggested this year very much on McCarthy being healthy and pitching. Most say it is a long shot, but then again he is only 2 years removed from having no injury history and being a top 10 prospect.
To say that McCarthy is irrelevant is just being dumb.
What do voluntary mean?
What Adam was saying is
that you think this is an 83 win team if everything goes right which includes McCarthy getting 17 wins. That means that you think this team, if everything goes right, can only go 66-71 in games where McCarthy isn’t pitching/doesn’t get a decision. The best case scenario for this team then is to be well below .500 if we don’t have Brandon McCarthy. Do you agree?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
x
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Apr 3, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
82-84
I have them 82-80, good beginning of the season, not so good in the middle, then just killing it near the end with the young kids at the end of august and september.
82-84
this is the time of year for optimism until usually it is crushed within the first week. Hopefully, it will be different this year. 85-87 would be nice.
Bring on April 6th!
85 wins, Angels win the division by one game
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Apr 3, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
77 wins in the average result
But hoping the angel’s injuries will set them back enough that an upper 5-10% rangers result will be within reasonable playoff contention, at least for a while.
the preceding post was a great success.
I play 87
Every year regardless of Ranger talent and opportunity. If I live long enough, it will happen …. maybe …..
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 3, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
There is a logic to it
Perhaps the most simplistic of any ever devised. A great team would have trouble winning more than 112 games in any MLB season (if for no other reason than the swing from parity in the bigs). A horrible team, with the worst players in all but a couple of positions and a weak starting rotation, should win 50 games just on the conduct of the game. At worst, the Rangers with a +2 to +4 in park factor and some talent are maybe 12-13 games better than that, or say 63 wins.
The midpoint between 63 and 112 is 87-88 wins, and we always lose one to a bad umpiring call or managerial brainphart. So, 87 it is. Nominal of nominals, I guess you’d call it.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 3, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Simplicity is relative. :)
But I like it. Kind of like the old tried and true; Everyone will win 54, everyone will lose 54, it’s what you do in those other 54 that decides it.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by that same logic,
couldn’t you say that they’re 12-13 games less talented than a 112 win team and the midpoint of 50 and 100 is 75?
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Apr 3, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
However the baseline 50 is just too low for me.. Even if you do the reduction from 113, the anchor point of 63 is about the fewest expected wins IMO. Which would push the midpoint to 81, a .500 season.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Apr 3, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we can win about 84
I assume the pitching will get a little better, as statistically it pretty much has to.
The offense I think stays about the same, but we have the Halo’s getting worse which should lead to an extra win or two for us.
What do voluntary mean?
I wish we played the angels in april like we usually do
I want as many head to head games as possible with their current pitching.
the preceding post was a great success.
79-81
but I could see 70 if the injury bug hits again, or 86 wins if not, and the offense doesn’t regress too much and the defense is good. The AL West:
Angels – 88 wins (they’ll go get a pitcher if their guys don’t recover quickly)
A’s – 82 wins (so will they, and I’m willing to bet that at least one of their young guys pitches pretty well)
Rangers – 80 wins (too many things need to go right for them to get more)
Mariners – 70 wins (dangerous in a couple of years with smarter management)
Wild card: If the Rangers are close in late June I can see them trading for a stud like Halladay. This is going to be a good year for trades, with lots of guys available as teams either need to unload salaries or rebuild with cheap, young talent. Toronto is in a situation where trading Halladay might do for them what the Teixeira trade did for TX 2 years ago.
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Last year 79 - 83
This year: Similar offense + Better defense + Potentially better starting pitching > .500
They won 79 last year and 80 in 2006
And were over 500 in august of both seasons.
I don’t expect over 500, but its not like we are coming off a 100 lost year or lost a bunch of players. Over 500 is optimistic, but its not ridiculous or something.
the preceding post was a great success.
although looking at the poll
obviously 75% of people being 500 or above, some significantly, is pretty out there. but whatever, this is a rangers forum of course people will be very optimistic.
the preceding post was a great success.
Seems right about now every spring....
….that we all honestly believe that the Rangers have a shot at contending.
I meant 80-85 wins
not 80 wins and 85 losses, just to clarify. I think 83-79.
That's why they call them business sox
76-78
rampant homerism round here… but makes me feel good to know others that know more see more from this team.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
I'll keep predicting 80-82 every year until it is no longer appropriate...
Just slightly worse than mediocre…
I think Jamey Newberg made a good point in the last podcast
the win total will depend a lot on the first-half performance, both of our club and division rivals. If we are hanging around, then we might see some trades/acquisitions to strengthen the team. If we are far out, the opposite might happen.
I see this as a 76 win team
I'm guessing an 80-82 record.
Lose the season finale at Seattle to just miss out on a .500 record.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
Now Ichiro is on the DL to start the season
the hits just keep coming. I am not a doctor and I do not play one on TV but is it gauranteed that a bleeding stomach ulcer is going to be OK in a week? Just wonder if it might not linger longer than that
you could probably play with a bleeing stomach ulcer
i think it’s just a way for him to rest up and drink some milk. i doubt the misses more than a week
Ceterum censeo Cat esse delendam - Cahill the Elder
Yeah, they seemed torn whether to even put him on the DL.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
That would be really uncomfortable
I’ve had one of those, and had to sit out of my beer league softball team.
That's why they call them business sox
I'm going optimistic
and saying 86 wins. Pitching will improve enough for this.
You came here in that? You're braver than I thought!
79-83
gifts from the AL west takes them up this high.
"The idea that the Rangers are going to be a solid contender for a number of years is a fantasy." - Adam J. Morris
BBTN's accuscore computer simulation had us at 69 wins.
4th in the West
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Ugh
My tightest range is about 74-77. Adam split it right down the middle. lol
I held my breath and picked the positive side of that.
I’m pretty amazed by how optimistic this place is, though. I feel like I’m optimistic for thinking we can be pretty mediocre, and that’s nothing to this poll.
I don't think 80 wins is too optimistic.
Which is what I picked.
I think that’s slightly glass-half-full, but not unreasonable.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
I feel as a fan of a team
its wrong for me to pick the pessimistic range of my prediction. I think this is a .500 team that could play a few games worse or a few games better. I’m picking the better.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
See, I think the opposite.
I think it’s wrong to allow bias to affect ones opinion. Of course, we all do, but I still think it’s wrong.
Two things
One, I don’t think its wrong for a fan of a team to show bias. I think its too hard to try and be objective. The best thing to do is to just limit the bias and keep expectations reasonable. For me, I think reasonable is for this team to be a .500 team. As a fan though, I can’t help but think that more things will go right than wrong with this team and that the team will get to 85 wins because of that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
81 wins +/- 2 wins
They could be 10 games over .500 at the ASB (49-49) due to an easy schedule. Thier August schedule of SEA, OAK, LAA, CLE, BOS, MIN, TB, NYY, MIN is brutal. If the go .500 in August they could win the division.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
That August schedule isn't too bad
If the injuries keep piling up for the Mariners, A’s, and Angels, the Rangers can take care or business early in August which will bail them out for when the AL East violates us.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I understand...
…skepticism when talking about the Rangers chances based on history and heartbreak. But I can’t see how you can say this is a below .500 team. Eveni it were the same team as last year, just being a little healthier would be a great improvement. But it’s not the same team. You have guys like Jennings and Wilson who are stronger. You have better pitching depth overall should more guys go down. You have younger kids with a years more experience. The defense is much improved. The philosophy is tougher (Ryan). And you have a much a much better and more versatile lineup.
You could argue that the team overachieved last year, but I can’t see Washington critics making that admission.
With the weakness and injury status of the over division rivals, and the potential of so many breakthrough seasons from so many players, I can’t see this team being worse than 85 to 87 wins. If so, then their must have certainly been an ill wind blowing through the Temple.
74
The fact that I’m less optimistic than Cahill to the tune of 5 wins and only anticipate 1 win more than Josey makes me question this choice.
Did LSB do a poll
last year or in 2007? I checked the archives and didn’t find anything.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I don't think there was
a poll last year. There is this. Actually, a lot of the predictions were very close, 3 had it exactly right – miles, disposablehero, and GoET.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Apr 3, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
I did predict the Rangers would finish in 2nd last year. :)
Looks like LSB is feeling like the Rangers will come in with about 84 wins in 2009. Like you said, last year it was about .500. I’ll take the LSB predictions ovet BTB, CHONE, PECOTA and all the others.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
79-81
I think they will hover around .500 for most of the season.
If the pitchers stay healthy they could finish above that.
I’m worried that we’ll see a decent dropoff in OF production from last year. Although it still should be better than those terrible OFs we fielded 2-5 years ago. Just not that sold on Murph/Cruz/Byrd and especially AJ.
90+ wins and 1st place
To quote the great Ben Crenshaw:
I’m a big believer in fate. I have a good feeling about this.
LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
by LSBUser on Apr 3, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions
Sorry
It will be fun when Feliz and Holland arrive, though
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
My choice for wins is easy.
If the rotation stays healthy, the Rangers will win 90 games. If they all go on the dl, they will only win about 76.
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