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I'm sitting here this morning at my computer with Game 5 of the 1976 ALCS on the MLB Network.  As always, it is remarkable how skinny these guys look, compared to modern players.

Jeff Wilson sings the praises of Vicente Padilla, who needed 82 pitches to get through the first four innings and looked like he'd be lucky to make it through five innings, but who then needed just 33 pitches for innings 5 through 8, meaning the bullpen only had to pitch the 9th.

The decision worked out well, but given how Padilla struggled early, and given how rested the bullpen was, I kind of wonder why Jason Jennings didn't come out for the 7th or 8th inning.  Sticking with a guy who is dominant is one thing...sticking with a guy who is scuffling, like Padilla was yesterday, is another story, and given Washington's reluctance to use Jennings (who has gone a week since pitching last, and had gone a week since pitching the outing before), I'm wondering if there's some health issue there we're not aware of.

Of course, with Frankie Francisco going to the d.l., Washington may be trying to be as judicious as possible in using the bullpen, given that there appear to be only a couple of guys out there he really trusts in a close game.  Jon Daniels said that if it were up to Frankie, he'd still be active, but they decided to play it safe and activate him on Friday rather than push to have him ready for the Detroit series and risk aggravating the situation.

The same piece also has some good quotes from Derek Holland about what he learned from the 9th inning meltdown on Friday:

But he recognized the problem — he was trying to overpower hitters instead of making pitches — and vowed to not make the same mistake again.

"Instead of actually thinking, I was trying to do too much," said Holland, whose ERA climbed from 1.74 to 4.85. "I wanted to get the out my way instead of going right after the guy. I’ve learned from that now."

I'd much rather have Holland go through these learning experiences when he has a significant margin for error while pitching out of the pen than as a member of the rotation.  He'll be in the rotation soon enough...but this is exactly why it makes sense for someone like Holland to break in out of the bullpen.

Our man Z has a good blog post up at the DMN highlighting how little work the bullpen is getting right now, with the upshot being that Kris Benson's presence on this roster may be superfluous.  He walks through the various alternatives the Rangers could go with in using that 25th roster spot should they decide that they don't need to use a spot on a long man who never pitches.

Evan Grant's game story focuses on how the Angels appear to be treating the Rangers as legitimate rivals in a pennant race, rather than pretenders who will fade soon enough, particularly with how some unknown person taped Marlon Byrd's quote about John Lackey needing to bring his A game to Lackey's locker followed by the Kinsler HBP and Lackey ejection. 

Gil LeBreton thinks that home plate ump Bob Davidson blew it in ejecting Lackey...LeBreton thinks that, under the circumstances and given the recent history, there's little reason to think that the Angels were trying to hit Kinsler.

Jim Reeves has his Sunday notes column up, and while he takes a couple of swipes at the Mavs and Mark Cuban, his lead item is about the Rangers' improved defense and how well the Elvis Andrus promotion has worked.  And I'm wondering if he's been reading LSB:

There’s ample evidence to support the claim that it’s the Rangers’ much-improved infield defense that’s at least partially responsible for better pitching results, thus helping fuel Texas’ surge into first place in the AL West. There’s no question that the rookie shortstop is at the heart of that improvement.

Statistical peripherals — numbers other than ERA, in other words, like walks, strikeouts and home runs per game — may suggest that the Rangers’ pitching performance isn’t much different right now than it was last season, but if you’re watching the games, you know better.

Reeves, you may recall, was one of the most vocal local media members ripping the Rangers for disrespecting Michael Young and forcing him to move, rather than letting Young decide for himself if and when he wanted to change positions (which would have meant, of course, trading Andrus, since Young wasn't likely to voluntarily switch positions at any point before his current contract is up).

Randy Galloway looks at the big trades made by our local teams lately and concludes that Jon Daniels (with the Teixeira trade) is the only one who has gotten it right, although he can't resist taking a shot as well:

Danks, Young, Edinson Volquez, Armando Galarraga, Coco Cordero, Nick Masset and Danny Ray Herrera are thriving former Rangers pitchers now scattered throughout baseball as a result of Jon Boy deals or roster mistakes. And one of the game’s best first baseman is San Diego’s Adrian Gonzalez.

For a GM, when your team hasn’t had a winning record on your watch, normally you’re fired when so many trades (with the exception of Volquez and Herrera for Josh Hamilton, which I’d still do) go in the ditch.

If you'd still do the Hamilton trade, there's no real point in adding Volquez and Herrera in that list.  Francisco Cordero is thriving for the team that signed him as a free agent, and the Rangers ended up with Blake Beavan, Julio Borbon, and Nelson Cruz for Cordero, so I'm not sure why he's lumped in there.  Nick Masset has had a nice 6 weeks for the Reds after two seasons of not being very good.  But the point appears to be to load as many pitchers as possible into the list, without regard to whether it makes sense to include them.

And some of the others aren't exactly "thriving"...but I'll save that for a blog post I'm working on for this coming week.

Jean-Jacques Taylor writes that the Rangers are winning because the players trust Ron Washington.

 

 

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I kind of wonder why Jason Jennings didn’t come out for the 7th or 8th inning. Sticking with a guy who is dominant is one thing…sticking with a guy who is scuffling, like Padilla was yesterday, is another story, and given Washington’s reluctance to use Jennings (who has gone a week since pitching last, and had gone a week since pitching the outing before), I’m wondering if there’s some health issue there we’re not aware of.

I’ve wondered the same thing. It’s just not like Wash to completely avoid a reliever that has been pretty consistent.

I’m curious who would get the call in a save situation today? CJ has worked two days in a row, Holland threw a bunch of pitches Friday, Madrigal just got called up. Jennings makes the most sense if he is healthy and he should theoretically be able to throw a couple innings if necessary, I’m just hoping he isn’t rusty from lack of use.

Doctor please. Some more of these.

by tricer on May 17, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

If he can't go back to back days yet

then I can understand not pitching him there. With Holland down and Frankie DL’d, you’d want Jennings available behind Feldman today – assuming you’re comfortable with Padilla in the 8th (I wasn’t at the time, but was proven to be wrong).

by JPenn on May 17, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, Nolan's thesis

is to not be content with just a QS once you get it. Mike/Ron surely considered this when they left Padilla in the game, imo

by BuckyB on May 17, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all that they were worried about Nolan

Just that Maddux and Ron claim that they bought into that plan

by BuckyB on May 17, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure

But Padilla wasn’t pitching well, they’ve got a rested bullpen…I have my doubts they were thinking, “We’d have a better chance of winning by going to the bullpen here, but Nolan wants starting pitchers to go deeper into the game, so we better just stick with Padilla.”

by Adam J. Morris on May 17, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think they wanted to give Padilla the chance to gut it out

and maybe they felt like his game was getting better in the 5th/6th.

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by t ball on May 17, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grandpa Urine-new day, same old shit.

Definiton of insanity-doing the same thing and expecting different results
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by randyd on May 17, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

Plus, he is just a horrible writer. I don’t understand how he has lasted this long at major newspapers. Are there really that many Josey Wales’ in DFW?

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by LSBUser on May 17, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

First Place Mother Effin' Texas Rangers!!!

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by Rodney on May 17, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Who cares, it's ESPN.

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009

by boomer1 on May 17, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quick Pitch is just the basic scores show.

MLB Tonight is the all-around decent show. They’ve had nothing but nice things to say about us.

I get the feeling Amsinger really digs the Rangers.

by cmkelly29 on May 17, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!

I only fit in about an hour of tv a night, I’ll remember that show is best

by BuckyB on May 17, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who watches that crap anymore?

I’m curious to know how BBTN’s viewership is doing with the MLB Network around now.

The Rangers won yesterday, and MLB Network was showing classic World Series Games while BBTN was on. I still didn’t watch BBTN. I waited for MLB Tonight or Roundtripper was on.

Even guys who I used to like on BBTN now annoy me (Kurkjian). Ugh, what a freakin’ terrible channel.

by cmkelly29 on May 17, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I made the mistake of watching BBTN last night to see Rangers highlights and saw Kurkjian talk all the way through two highlights just so he could shoehorn in some stupid ass “this kid is special” quote.

by jwiscarson on May 17, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

They are paying attention RIGHT NOW on BBTN

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by LSBUser on May 17, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm watching that MLB game bw NYY & KC

Reggie Jax was a hellacious player, especially in October but man, was he a bad announcer.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on May 17, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Different skill sets

Doubt I’d be much impressed with Vin Scully (even in his youth) at the plate or on the mound in an MLB (or even minor league) game.

by mgb5 on May 17, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Galloway...

I’m going to say this each time you link him…..

Why you read him is beyond me.

by bdavison94 on May 17, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

He reads him so we dont have too

cause that’s the kind of big hearted guy he is

by BEW on May 17, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

How magnanimous of him.

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by Rodney on May 17, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't get to watch the game last night...

And was planning to watch it “unspoiled” this morning, but my friend ruined it by texting me about the Kinsler/CD play to end the game. Oh well.

A couple of things to take away: Even though he hasn’t had the greatest of starts, this offense is much, much more dangerous with Hamilton in the lineup, especially now that he is being patient at the plate. Friday night, the Rangers did it with pure power and Saturday they did it with smart situational hitting. That wasn’t happening earlier in the season when Josh was just flailing away.

This is a question for those more knowledgeable than I……while it’s great to see all of our starters going 6,7,8,9 innings every night, does it effect the bullpen if they aren’t used regularly? If they do need to be used to come in and play most 4-5 innings, will they be adversely affected by not pitching in the games regularly and struggle?

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by Brandon Worley on May 17, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

no way that keeps up

theres no way the starters are going 7-8 innings a night throughout the summer. this is a much better problem to have than last year, when the bullpen was gassed by the all-star break.

by Fireal20 on May 17, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Galloway on the way out

How long it takes, I don’t know, but facts are:

1. Newspaper circulation way down. Wouldn’t surprise me if FWST shuts down and we become one paper town. Heard Galloway salary at FWST has been slashed by more than half over past couple of years.

2. His ESPN ratings down significantly. Probably a trend that continues with 105.3’s rise.

Whether you like him or not, business is business. If he’s not selling ad space, he’s not going to get the big pedestal he’s enjoyed for so long.

by JPenn on May 17, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Talking about MLB Net...

They really need to shuffle some things up with thier analysts and such.

I have no problem with female analysts and such, but I’m pretty sure Hazel Mae doesn’t know a sac-fly from a bad case of crabs.

The former players such as Williams and Reynolds should have one place on that show; and that’s showing us the intricacies of the game from thier “MLB Park”. I want them showing me how so-and-so throws his slider. I don’t want them analyzing roster moves or anything close to that.

I honestly don’t know whom I’d rather have on their panel, but the current roster is very “meh.”

by cmkelly29 on May 17, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Basically,

you used “and such” too much.

Damn New Englanders…

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by Rodney on May 17, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol if I had my way

I’d be a resident of the city of Dallas right now (and such).

by cmkelly29 on May 17, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

:)

.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on May 17, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

NFL Network much better because of variety of analysts – coaches, gm’s, players, scouts, etc.

by JPenn on May 17, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it isn't perfect

but it is 5 months old, and there aren’t enough ‘>’ signs to put in the equation MLB Network >>>>>>>>>>>> ESPN.

by JBImaknee on May 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Joe Magrane...

the most as far as the former players go. I also like it when Verducci is on the show. Amsinger and Rojas are pretty good, and for some reason I still like listening to Harold Reynolds. I know the guy doesn’t make much sense. I rarely agree with anything he says, but I just find him amusing.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...

at first glance I thought you said Joe Morgan.

by cmkelly29 on May 17, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Zebra Cakes the Comedian:

Number of times the camera catches Mike Scioscia with a smug expression: 24

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on May 17, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow, look at all the Z entries at DMN today

I hope he’s paid by the post.

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by t ball on May 17, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI

Rangers Team ERA of 4.69 is now 6th best in the 14 team AL.

Sigh ... we are sooo gonna suck again next season.
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by shroomer on May 17, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

According to my sloppy number crunching

Our 5 current starters’ ERA as starters(as in w/o Feld’s relief appearances) is 4.08… that’s incredible

by BuckyB on May 17, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just to accentuate the roll their on....

May Rangers’ SP ERA: 3.05.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on May 17, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Frankie to the DL

I’ve been completely out of it the last week – but what’s happening here? Just a little shoulder tendinitis? Who took his place on the roster?

by JBImaknee on May 17, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Madrigal

Frankie should be back Friday, though.

by octoberty on May 17, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Biceps tendinitis

He’s throwing without pain, they just decided to give him a few extra days to get back to 100%. He’s supposed to be activated on Friday.

Madrigal took his place.

by Adam J. Morris on May 17, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was kinda funny there for a bit...

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by Rodney on May 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I busted out some chuckles

on the flat screen bit.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

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by Ed Coffin on May 17, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thoguht it was good

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on May 17, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was funny

clever, though they really need a new bit about Hamilton already.

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by t ball on May 17, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Funny and creative and then something like that…

then it is just stupid, mindless crap

by Horns130 on May 17, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're missing the point

Holland was trying to blow it past the hitters because it was the ninth inning. good lesson to learn, but probably not something he’d try to do if he was starting.

Man, I love winning! You know? It's like better than losing!

by SteveP on May 17, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

uhhh, no

trying to finish the 6/7th inning and he is done for the game so he is trying to give the team one more inning…same scenario

by Horns130 on May 17, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's on the decline. That's way below the 1000+ he was sporting a few starts ago.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on May 17, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

CJ

8 straight scoreless appearances for him.

The CJ hate is getting old.

"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton

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by sprite on May 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

No

He gave up a run in the first walk-off win against Seattle.

by Adam J. Morris on May 17, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unearned.

On the throwing error.

The CJ hate is getting old.

"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton

"The NFL made me undergo a psychiatric evaluation......Please. It was an accident. If I wanted to post a picture of my penis I wouldn't have been all hunched over."- Chris Cooley.

by sprite on May 17, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

If an unearned run officially breaks up a scoreless streak for Greinke...

it breaks up a scoreless streak for CJ Wilson.

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by rangers85 on May 17, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gil Lebreton....

I might be convinced, except that history isn’t the only reason for Lackey to throw at Kinsler. Gil forgot to address the possibility that Lackey was being a douche. It’s not as complicated as he’s made it out to be.

BTW, first use of the word ‘douche’ in one of my posts.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on May 17, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

5-16 Newberg Report v.2

….was awesome. What a douche that John Lackey is. And Scioscia. Boy do I hate Mike Scioscia.

by FuturePants on May 17, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

kind of off topic but...

does anyone have an mp3 of nadel’s call of davis’ walkoff?

by richardtodd on May 17, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Newberg emailed it out yesterday

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by rangers85 on May 17, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Psst,

click here

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by Rodney on May 17, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

email me and I'll forward it to you

rodneyfollmer at yahoo

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by Rodney on May 17, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

That sucks, doesn't work for me when I dl it either...

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by Rodney on May 17, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

sign up for his list

there’s no excuse if you’re a rangers fan.

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by Dirk Diggler on May 17, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland...

I don’t think he’s had to “pitch” yet. He’s thrown a couple of sliders here and there, but mostly he’s gone with the fastball and folks have yet to really hit it hard consistently. In fact, 80% of his pitches have been fastballs, according to Pitch F/X.

Finding situations where teams will see him for multiple innings will be a good thing for Holland. He probably can still go with the old #1 for one-inning stints. But, I would rather he get some 3-5 inning outings so he has to make adjustments to the hitters’ adjustments to him. I’d rather Holland get that learning experience this year in the Majors, rather than having to go through a learning process at AAA next year, like David Price is doing.

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by rooster on May 17, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Low Strikes would help.

Both CJ and Padilla had a large number of pitches thrown low in the zone called “Balls”.





Feldman throws a fairly high percentage of ground ball outs (48%). Hopefully, he gets a couple of low strikes called today.



I’ve begun thinking of Feldman as Derek Feldman. I don’t know how I’ll feel when Scott is taken out and someone other than Derek is put in his place. I may be discombobulated for a couple of innings.

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by rooster on May 17, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

That chart is damning for the umps

At times they’ve taken the bottom quarter off the zone.

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by t ball on May 17, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

id be curious to know how many of those pitches are offspeed pitches

I dont trust the trackers and think they miss offspeed pitches more often than not

by Horns130 on May 17, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

line up

Rangers lineup

Ian Kinsler, 2b

Michael Young, 3b

Josh Hamilton, cf

Hank Blalock, dh

Nelson Cruz, rf

David Murphy, lf

Chris Davis, 1b

Jarrod Saltalamacchia, c

Omar Vizquel, ss

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Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on May 17, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Weekly defense (UZR) update

Team total: +15.2 runs (second in the AL behind the Rays, +16.3, tied for 3rd in MLB with Reds)

Infield:
Chris Davis: +3.9 runs (best among MLB 1B)
Ian Kinsler: + 5.4 runs (tied for best among MLB 2B)
Elvis Andrus: +4.2 runs (Second in MLB SS to the great Marco Scutaro)
Michael Young: -7 runs (you guessed it)

Outfield
Nelson Cruz: 3.8 runs (All of that from range, tied with Ichiro for 1st in AL RF)
Josh Hamilton: +2.9 runs (mostly from arm)
Marlon Byrd: -5.4 runs total (-2.7 from LF and -2.7 from CF)
Davis Murphy: +3.9 runs total (3.6 from LF and +0.3 from RF)

Benchworms:
OMAR! +2.3 runs
Andruw Jones: +1.1 runs total (-0.4 from one game in RF: our suspicion confirmed)

MY is still going through his transition period to 3B. His problem, according to UZR, is pretty much the lack of range. He is decent at turning DPs and not making too many errors, but the range is absolutely egregious right now. That should improve itself after he gets some more experience there, which hopefully will allow him to better predict/judge the balls coming off the bat, and also to figure out his positioning better.

The rest of the infield is a field of daisies on a saturday morning. All three are tops in baseball, and none of it is particularly fluky. We know that Davis, Kinsler and Andrus all have good range, and the problem with Kinsler and Andrus would be their error totals. Both Kinsler and Andrus are below average right now in terms of committing errors, but their range has far made up for it. For Kinsler, +19 runs in the field (as he is on pace to do) for the season is probably optimistic, but he is at least above average. There will be some regression, but MY would not be -30 runs at the end of the season either, so thing won’t change too much.

Byrd is the disappointment in the outfield so far, lacking both arm and range. He does seem a bit slower than last season, but it’s hard to make any conclusions this early in the season yet. His main selling point is that he is the only one, other than Hamilton, who can play CF on the team. If he is not able to do that properly, his value over Murphy is significantly diminished.

Hamilton is holding the fort in CF. His range is blandly average, but has had a cannon for an arm so far. If he gives us average CF defense over the course of the season, I will be more than happy. Nelson Cruz has returned to the realms of the mortals after putting up an astronomically comical +6 runs in RF after 2 weeks of the season. His range hasn’t diminished at all, but he has a major problem with the “arm” category. Keep in mind that the “arm” category doesn’t always accurately reflect the strength of the fielder’s arm, but instead measures how often runners take the “extra base” when the field handles the ball. It could very well be that Cruz is more casual (i.e. slower) in getting to balls that he does not catch, which would allow base runners to move up. He has also airmailed a couple of throws too, which doesn’t help. Murphy has been quietly solid in the field.

Omar! is wonderful; we don’t need numbers to know that. Andruw on the other hand, was pretty good in his time in LF, but sucked in the one game in RF when he couldn’t chase down the double that Cruz, and apparently a lot of people would have been able to.

by Telegraph on May 17, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I just havn't been seeing these plays that MY should be getting to

Its hard to believe hes eve had enough hit at him in the past week to be -7.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on May 17, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The stat is cumulative

I remember that he was at -5.8 two weeks ago already, so the past 2 weeks, he was only -1.2.

by Telegraph on May 17, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

At one point

I think it was worse, like – 8 point something. I’m optimistic about the long term trend there, hopefully creeps up towards 0 over the course of the season.

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by t ball on May 17, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

same here

I cant remember too many that I thought he should have gotten

by BEW on May 17, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, keep in mind that these are not precise stats

It’s helpful to mentally attach error bars to them and think in terms of a range. MY is not at -7 runs, but rather between -6 to -8 if you give 1 run on each side. At the end of the season, we can compare the values from this, Dewan’s plus/minus, and Dave Pinto’s PMR to get a better gauge of the player’s defense. UZR is the only one updated weekly, so it’s a good tool to keep track of defensive progress. It’s far from perfect, but it’s certainly useful.

by Telegraph on May 17, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pinto

How often does he update that? I forget about that one until he posts about it occasionally.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on May 17, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

fyi

+/- has Kinsler at +8 runs, which is 1st in the majors for 2B.

Young at -10 runs, 35th among 3B.

Elvis at +5, 2nd.

Davis at +3, 6th.

by Adam J. Morris on May 17, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay, I am wrong

+/- does get updated weekly I guess, but numbers look pretty close, no?

by Telegraph on May 17, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

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