Bigger Question-When to trade?/Newberg trade idea cont.
About a week ago I e-mailed Jamey and ask him who he would target in trades this year. Last year he picked Heath Bell and Zach Greinke. How have they been this year? So if Jamey targets Matt Cain, Chris Volstad, Josh Johnson or Peavy then I'm am listening.
Here is the bigger question to me. When do the Rangers make a trade? I think there is no doubt the Rangers will look much different on Opening Day 2010 than they currently do, because of trades. However, when should JD pull the trigger?
Before July 1? I love the move the Brewers made last year and traded well before the deadline for C.C. Why not target someone (Heath Bell) and have him making an impact before July 31. Not as many players may be on the market, but surely someone who could help will be.
Trade Deadline July 31? More people available. By now you have a good idea if your a contender. Maybe the price for a player will come down near the deadline.
Off-season: Now I think the Rangers are contenders in 2009. However someone like Francisco Liriano could be had in the off season, but not at the deadline with the Twins in the hunt in the Central division.
Personally, I take my assets and add a small piece or two this year. Bullpen help would be my target. Then I take my big pieces and go after a young stud pitcher. Liriano, Cain or whoever. We have enough pieces to get anyone we want.
Which of the three options do you think is the Rangers best course of action......discuss.
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I'd wait 'til after the all star break
and target bullpen guys: Mayhay (if healthy), Juan Cruz and, Heath Bell. The Rangers could use another lefty and an 8th inning guy — more reliable than C.J.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on May 17, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
i have ZERO interest in liriano. ive followed him pretty close and he simply hasnt been the same since his arm injury and everyone/everything ive read say that hes not going to ever be the same unless something major changes
beyond that, the twins have no reason to trade him, unless they get blown away
the same situation with volstad/josh johnson, hes cheap for a few more years, therefore i dont see them trading him away just yet. now dan uggla, yes i think they move him soon (money issue + they have coghlin who can replace him). im glad they are guys that JN would target, i just dont see volstad/johnson getting moved this year…
now as for guys like heath bell (i think he gets moved almost for sure), cruz (doubt he gets traded at his current $$ cost to the royals) and cain (no interest after looking deeper into stats this year) the situations are somewhat different. i like bell a lot, and dont know what it would cost to get him but i would def be in on them moving him. my feelings about cruz have been spelled out before, ad i would like to see him here one way or another…). cain im not such a big fan of (flyball + other stats + probable cost = smoak or a package like that)
i would love to see the rangers krod feliz at the end of the year – i really think that one way or another the guy needs to get some experience at the ML level this year…and i think putting him in teh bullpen is probably a better step than putting him in the rotation – and it could kill two birds with one stone if they are unable to get an impact arm of any kind via trade)
i like what they are doing with holland, giving him a few innings here and there, but not a TON and not having him throw in low pressure situations
still, all that said i would have not a huge problem if the rangers traded a smoak-based package for halliday (it would have to be something like smoak, catcher—teagarden?, beltre?, main or beavan + latin arm- think like melo?)
would you do smoak, teagarden, beltre, main/bevan, moscoso/diamond + lower level arm for halliday? who says no?
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by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Blue Jays trade Halliday?
Especially for a package that didn’t include Feliz or Holland? The Jay’s are in first place, and they have the best pitcher in the game.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on May 17, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree
With the hot start the Jay’s have got off to I doubt they will trade Doc. ON the other hand if they had got off to a slow start I think the Rangers would of had a chance.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 17, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'd've had to knock their socks off, and probably taken Vernon Wells abortion of a contract along with him.
He’s one of the most untradeable players in the game, imo.
He’s super good and he loves it in Toronto.
I don’t even want to know how much it’d take to get him out of there.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you do that offer if they call up and say you have to decide now?
from the rangers side
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by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wud i duu wut?
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoak, teagarden, beltre, main/bevan, moscoso/diamond + lower level arm for halliday
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contract
What is Halliday’s contract status? I only do it if I get him for at least two full years. Still I don’t know. I really like the potential of Smoak/Davis in the lineup for 5 more years…
by peachygbc_1 on May 17, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
per cot's
4 year/$40M (2008-10)
* signed extension with Toronto 3/06
* 08:$10M, 09:$14.25M, 10:$15.75M
* award bonus: $0.125M for All Star selection
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I would.
They wouldn’t.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you really think they make the playoffs, more power to you
but there is a zero chance that all of cecil, romero, richmond, tallet, ray, bullington pitch this well over the rest of the year
you REALLY think that they can hold off the yankees, redsox AND the rays for the rest of the year?
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter what I think
THEY will probably think themselves contenders unless they collapse soon. I can’t imagine they’ll trade their ace, and possibly the best pitcher in baseball unless they’re completely out of it. Even then it’s a tough sell for their fans unless they get a package that blows their minds – certainly not the one you suggested.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on May 18, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not willing to read that much text if you're not willing to hit the shift key every once in a while.
That might be childish and petty on my part, but it does make it really hard to read.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee.
Make it happen, JD.
He’s the only starter who makes sense.
I don’t like the idea of shelling out for a relief arm when we have Neffy Perez down there in AAA just waiting to unleash his special brand of carnage on fools as he breaks in this year out of the ’pen.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with that...
but I’d be interested in Heath Bell if the price isn’t crazy high
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 17, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just am not that interested in cliff lee unless something changes
even with a 175 ERA+ last year and a 160 ERA+ this year, his career ERA+ is 108
i guess it just depends on what it costs to get him…
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cureer numbherz with cLiff lEe r prhaps a bit mzleeeding.
hee cahme up yng, ptchd a lt uv inningz az an O-K LAIE-tipe, then cmpltly wnt 2 sht and hd 2 b re-bilt n d mine-ers.
wHeN hee cahme back he wuz a cmpltly dffrnt ptcher.
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u uh-gree?
[y] / [n]
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf is up with the typing
i dont type like that at all lol
i cant even read most of it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
u kan rd itz if ewe givz it a tryzers.
lol
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i wanted to read 12 year olds typing like that
id go to myspace
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I feel about your abject hatred of the shift key.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its nothing new
not using shift isnt typing like a 12 year old on myspace
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's equally cloying.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Feliz
prove himself in AAA before putting him in the Rangers’ pen.
I hate the Yankees. Especially when they hit a walkoff.
by RangerMad on May 17, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
krod treatment
guy game up sept 18 fwiw
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't buy
Cliff Lee as an impact starter. I know he was solid last year, but this year he is sporting a WHIP of 1.41, which simply isn’t FOTR material. That’s not to say that number wouldn’t go down if he pitched in front of our defense (did I just say that?), but I think we would have to overpay based on his ERA this year and his overall success last year.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His K/bb ratio is still really strong, his WHIP is high because he got battered around in his first few starts by leaving some balls up he usually gets down.
He’s gotten them down now, and the results are sparkling.
WHIP is the exact wrong stat to quote here, Clark.
Look at all his other numbers and you’ll see a guy who’s legit.
As good as a Halladay?
No.
But he’s a guy who might actually be on the market and be attainable to us, which most of these other names just aren’t.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what would you
be willing to give up? The Indians have decent catching depth and decent young MI, so our depth there won’t be a huge asset.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you do smoak for him straight up?
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh God
I just threw up in my mouth.
Smoak is a top 10 prospect in the game. We can’t undervalue him because we already have Davis. In a slight tangent, I was thinking today…this franchise has a chance to produce 5 of the top 10 1Bs of this decade (Pena, AGon, Tex, Davis, and Smoak). That’s pretty crazy.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont want to see us trade him for lee
im asking dirkatron if he would
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what good pitching costs.
Laporta was a top 10 guy and he got them CC… for all of 2-3 months.
Lee ain’t no CC, but he’s really good and we’d be getting him for 1.5 years and he’s not hellbent on testing the free market so there’d be a chance he’d be amenable to an extension.
Yah, I’d do him (+ some filler) for Lee right now.
But I can understand why you wouldn’t want to.
(And doesn’t FLA get at least an assist on AGon?)
(And don’t you think the fact that you mention AGon and Tex, oneguy who was used to get a guy who led directly to a WS and one guy who was used to get a massive haul that lead us back to respectability, kind of make the idea of trading a big time player?)
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about including BMac?
If we get Lee, that would push Bmac back. It would be Lee, Millwood, Padilla, Harrison, and Feldman.
Maybe something like BMac, Beltre, and Diamond???
by Coolbean04 on May 17, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2010
Maybe have Sheets, Lee, Millwood, have Harrison/Feldman/Holland fight for the last 2 spots.
by Coolbean04 on May 17, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a really good pitcher signed reasonably for this year and next.
There’s no way that deal even scratches the surface.
BMac has minimal trade value right now, Diamond has virtually no trade value right now, and Beltre isn’t performing well enough to be anywhere near a centerpiece chip right now.
Cleveland doesn’t have to move Lee and in fact I doubt they will, but he intrigues me cause he could theoretically be available and he’s really good.
You’re gonna have to give up something that hurts to get him, that’s why these trade discussions are always so hard.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you think of
adam miller?
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by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eye thinck he iz a hue mun in-jer-e.
eye wood knot weigh-st meye thyme on a guy hoo cannn knot sty hlthy 4 mor dan 1 munth at a thyme
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if eye kud put thyme in a bottle...
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by tricer on May 17, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am still really hesitant
to make a huge trade this year. I want to see how this team sustains this success later into the season. I hate to be the guy who poo-poos our awesome win streak, but I really don’t know how good the teams we have been playing really are. I want to see our starters keep up these numbers well into June before I really buy in to making a run this year.
But the big thing to me is the fact that Ben Sheets is practically a Ranger already. He was already sold on us over the winter and now we are actually a winning team. A rotation of Sheets, Millwood, Padilla, Harrison and Feldman can make a serious run, and a bullpen that adds a better lefty (is Hinckley the guy? We shall see.) and Neftali to a surprisingly decent collection of pieces can be an asset.
In sum, Sheets is the addition I really want and expect to have. We should only add another piece if the deal is too good to pass up, and when trying to acquire pitching, that’s rarely the case.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
x
But the big thing to me is the fact that Ben Sheets is practically a Ranger already.
That’s a mighty big assumption.
As is the apparent assumption that he’ll be ready pitch this year at all, let alone effectively.
I agree that unless the right deal comes along I’d rather us just stay out of it all togehter, though.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the big assumption
is whether he will be ready to make an impact this year. But this guy was practically signed last winter and he’s been hanging around Arlington all spring. I hate to throw something like this out there, but it wouldn’t surprise me if we already had a very hush hush agreement with him.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still a huge assumption.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i agree here
if hes ready, could be HUGE (for someone)
if not, do you think someone waits till after draft to sign him?``
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by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think this may be our "big pickup"
for the summer
IF hes healthy that is
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if it takes him until late August to get ready
It would be well worthit especially if the Rangers are right in it. You could then add him to the playoff roster. Damn I can’t believe we are talking about the Rangers and playoffs this year. I thought we were a year away from this.
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by boomer1 on May 17, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is anyone else
watching the Rays this year and wondering if they are truly just a year ahead of us, and if so, already trying to figure out how we can avoid their slump? The parallels are pretty crazy (improved defense, surprising young pitching contributions, rag tag bullpen of failed starters and waiver pickups, and young arms in the bullpen and AAA who could make a serious impact during the playoff run.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
X
is anyone else watching the Rays this year and wondering if they are truly just a year ahead of us, and if so, already trying to figure out how we can avoid their slump?
No.
The CJ hate is getting old.
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by sprite on May 17, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Feliz comes in September and takes us all the way to the World Series like Price...
then you might really be on to something.
by slimshadty12 on May 17, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who else do ppl think we should target thats out there
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by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd ask the O's about Jim Johnson but they probably wouldn't talk longz
by oc on May 17, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
johnson
wonder if he ends up their closer….ray + sherrill cant seem to do jack right now
hmm, what about sherrill as a left handed guy?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sherrge01.shtml
the problem is that he would probably cost too much
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
id love to get daniel bard
but i dont thnk they move him
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Gutierrez from the D-backs?
Is that possible?
by Telegraph on May 17, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe even Manny Corpas from the Rockies
I don’t know if they are going to let him go too easily, despite the “apparent” early season struggles
by Telegraph on May 17, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they owe corpas a good chunk of change
i think they move one of corpas or street though
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Corpas gets expensive
but with very affordable buyouts later, and that’s not until 2012. I like him better than Street
by Telegraph on May 17, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i like almost anyone better than sheets
taylor buchholtz (if/when he gets off DL?)
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear god, I just checked the stats on this guy
His fastball is averaging 94.6 mph this year, up from 91.8 two years ago. He didn’t even walk a whole lot of people last season in AAA, but ironically got hit extremely hard. My guess is he wasn’t throwing 95 a year ago.
by Telegraph on May 17, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would they move him though?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have a boatload of pitching.
OF course, they would have to be out of contention pretty good, which isn’t looking likely.
by tyd3311 on May 17, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
what about merkin valdez?
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by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm lying in bed
Just like Brian Wilson did.
by Adam J. Morris on May 17, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's all I can think about
when reading that name.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on May 17, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
R. Soriano or Mike Gonzalez
Would any of you have any interest in Soriano of Gonzalez if the Braves do not contend? Gonzalez has struggled a little. Still I would like to see bullpen help earlier than the deadline and wait for the big trade until the off season.
by peachygbc_1 on May 17, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gonzalez could be interesting
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
both of those guys
have serious enough injury concerns that I am inclined to stay away.
anyone else think JD is a little pissed he couldn’t make a more serious run at Cruz this offseason? You think he coughs “Sean Avery” every time Hicks complains about money?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And do you think Hicks coughs Cattalanatto back at him?
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
two things
Sean Avery’s contract was a much larger percentage of the Stars payroll than Cat was of the Rangers…and JD can basically rationalize that we are spending Cat’s money on Andruw Jones this year.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
that we are spending catt’s money on…catt this year + buyout
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point is
JD found a bargain to offset his dud. In fact, if you add in O’Day and Omar, he found three.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your missing my point
they are spending the money on catt, it didnt go away we just opened up his roster spot
i agree with you on o’day/jones/omar — but its on TOP of the 6 (i think) mil that is owed to catt
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about signing Cat in the first place.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if Hicks
is holding that signing over JD’s head and withholding FA funds because of it, he needs to either sell the team or die in a fire.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were saying that JD should be petty and small over Hicks' recent mistakes, and I was merely suggesting that perhaps Hicks should respond in kind.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury?
I do not know their contract, but for a couple of months if the price is right I take a chance. I am not a GM, but what about Poveda, Vallejo/Arias and Moreland for Gonzalez or Soriano. Probably not enough, but a starting point.
Jack Benoit what is his status for the end of the year?
by peachygbc_1 on May 17, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one really knows i dont think
been pretty quite on the benoit front so far this year i think
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Dan Haren?
We will probably have to give up a lot for him but he’s a legitimate ace and is still only 28 years old.
by Hook 'em Horns on May 17, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's going nowhere.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
fwiw, his contract status:
4 years/$44.75M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option
* 4 years/$44.75M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option
o signed extension with Arizona 8/5/08, replacing option year & final guaranteed year of previous contract
o 09:$7.5M, 10:$8.25M, 11:$12.75M, 12:$12.75M, 13:$15.5M club option ($3.5M buyout)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after the package they gave up for him?
I think he’s sticking around.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the struggles of their team so far
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ARI/2009.shtml
their offense has been HORRIBLE and depending on what happens with webb + what the dodgers do w/o manny means they could be contending/in the race at the end of the year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got Wood?
What about the possibility of Kerry Wood? Contract is not too bad and you would have him for next year as well. Cleveland could be out early…
by peachygbc_1 on May 17, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CLE could be in the same kind of shape as SD
with some guys they can move that have some good value and get value in return
its not like wood is irreplaceable, but is a player that could gain some value and help them shed contract $$
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
He’s making $10M+ for this year and next and he hasn’t been very good. I’d be interested if the cost in prospects was very light.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 17, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would it take?
If we don’t want to give up much what would you offer? Poveda, Vallejo/Arias, Moreland too much?
by peachygbc_1 on May 17, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be an interesting trade
a package of maxram, byrd, arias/vallejo and poveda is an intersting package in almost any situation
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw not specifically for wood
just in general
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much
The CJ hate is getting old.
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by sprite on May 17, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say not enough by a long shot.
You really think Poveda, Vallejo and Moreland are a good package?
That’s a pu-pu platter of C/C+ prospects.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but for a guy making $10M that isn't playing well on a team out of contention
I wouldn’t think you’d have to give up a lot to get him.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 17, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's fine.
SSS.
A few rough outings, but 17 k’s in 12 innings.
Guys like him always cost more than a pu-pu platter of C/C+ prospects.
This is the exact kind of crap we always complain about Yankees fans doing.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Wood will be fine, otherwise I wouldn't advocate trading for him
I’m just saying that he should cost significantly less in prospects compared to a guy like Heath Bell, who is having a much better season thus far and costs about $15 million less over the next couple years.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 17, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
light package
tricer said a light prospect package. I was just throwing something out their. I don’t think it’s enough, but could get the ball rolling.
Dirkatron what would be your trade proposal?
by peachygbc_1 on May 17, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure. I think it's too much
I’m guessing you don’t think much of Moreland.
The CJ hate is getting old.
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by sprite on May 17, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not nearly enough to get anyone good.
It’s a pu-pu platter of fringy prospects.
A Yankees fan special, so to speak.
And I like Moreland just fine, but let’s not pretend he’s anything more than what he is.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I agree that it’s not enough to get anyone good. I also don’t think paying more than that will be worth it for Wood.
The CJ hate is getting old.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
"The NFL made me undergo a psychiatric evaluation......Please. It was an accident. If I wanted to post a picture of my penis I wouldn't have been all hunched over."- Chris Cooley.
by sprite on May 17, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really look at his 12 innings of performance so far and conclude he's gone into the shitter?
Hmmm…
I don’t see it.
Unless you’re just talking about how expensive he is. That I can understand. 10mm is a lot in this market.
But Cleveland brought him in this off season, so they must’ve liked him then, and I highly doubt they’ve already soured on him to the degree they’d accept a platter for him.
Unless, like I said, they’re just desperate to unload the contract… which I doubt they are.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as of now i dont think they are (desperate to unload the contract)
but if they keep sucking it up he oculd be one part they move if they decide to blow it up….
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remembering that we are a small budget team that couldn't afford $3M for Cruz
I wouldn’t want to go after Wood, because that would likely preclude us from signing Sheets. I didn’t think about that earlier.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 17, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
didnt think about that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I look at his fragile history and Clevland’s position and realize that if they have to unload Wood a bidding war will not ensue because of that contract and the Vallejo/Poveda/Moreland package will more than suffice for Wood. He’s basically all they have in that shitty BP. I don’t judge by ERA, btw. Ever.
The CJ hate is getting old.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
"The NFL made me undergo a psychiatric evaluation......Please. It was an accident. If I wanted to post a picture of my penis I wouldn't have been all hunched over."- Chris Cooley.
by sprite on May 17, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offer?
Simple question what would you offer? Step up and put names out there or quit complaining!!!!
by peachygbc_1 on May 18, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we cannot afford Kerry Wood.
so the offer doesn’t really matter.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 18, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno.
I don’t much think I’d like to pay what it’d cost.
I just know the pu-pu platter ain’t gonna get ’er done.
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by thedirkatron on May 18, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been fine.
The K’s and the stuff are still there, it’s just that when your a closer on a shitty team you get very innings so one or two bad pitches that get turned around can make it seem like you’re doing shitty.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood would be a nice fit
Wood would be a great but only if no major prospects are involved. Other than Francisco, we don’t really have another guy who can come in and get us a key strikeout.
by Hook 'em Horns on May 17, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we trade for Brian Wilson
He and CJ would be BFFs
by tyd3311 on May 17, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that dude has a sweet mullet-lookin-thing on his head
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 17, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, he's all gay for Christ.
His little “Motion to the Lord” after he nails down an inning makes me want to take a baby down to the bridge and get my Toby Gowin on.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh.
He looks like a guy who rocks out on some guitar hero, though.
by tyd3311 on May 17, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not until they come out with a "Monsters of Christian Rock" expansion pack, I'm afraid.
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whose the bullpen arm that you want to go after DA Tron
bell i would presume?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you feel the need to be a jackass about it
my bad for asking
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
I gave you the answer.
If you don’t feel like reading through my posts where I bludgeon the written word, then perhaps you’d like to make a small change in the way you write?
But of course you won’t.
So it’s of course my bad as well for trying.
So… Our bad?
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by thedirkatron on May 17, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my stuff is readable
as long as you know how to read lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My stuff is readable, too.
As long as you know how to read, lol.
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by thedirkatron on May 18, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland
Responding to the posts above about Cliff Lee and Adam Miller:
No way do I touch Miller. When you read articles in spring training about “his career could be over,” that’s a player I have absolutely zero interest in.
As for Lee, I’m interested, but Smoak’s not the player to deal. Pretty much every good hitting prospect Cleveland has right now is a 1B/DH type- they’re as deep at that position as the Rangers are at catcher.
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by RCCook on May 17, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the thing with miller is that no one really knows
from what ive read
hes thekind of guy id want to see/have as a throw in-type guy
yea on their 1b/DH guys – laporta, v martinez, hodges (3b?), garko, mills, etc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 17, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I probably missed my op
to place this in the post game thread, so I’ll put it here.
Play the Angels off, keyboard cat.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 17, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
I don’t think I would go all out for a pitcher right now.
Millwood is going to be back next year. We can always bring Padilla back if we want to. Feliz and Holland should make their way into the rotation at some point (although I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see them as our middle-relief tandem in August and September). Harrison may actually have something, and I’m not ready to give up on B-Mac. Feldman looks like he can be an okay 5th starter.
Looking at the bigger names potentially available, Peavy hasn’t given any indication he would come here (and, as good as he is, I’m concerned about his cost in both players and dollars). I’m not sure if Cliff Lee will be available, and we aren’t really a good match for the Indians. Roy Oswalt to Texas should be a perfect match, as I think he would come here and the Astros should blow it up and start over, but there’s no way that Uncle will either blow it up or let Oswalt get traded to Texas.
All that said, I would focus on: (1) trying to sign Sheets, even if it’s only for next year, and (2) picking up someone like Ricky Nolasco while their value is low. He’s pitching horrible right now, so I might see what it would take to get him and Renyel Pinto from the Marlins.
by Darrell McKown on May 18, 2009 12:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oooh I like that
he would really like those lights we have in CF
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 18, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at $14M a year, plus the prospects it would take to get him
Wouldn’t it just be better to get Sheets at a better price and hold onto all the trade ammo.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 18, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Sheets is there and ready, then yes.
But I’ll believe it when I see it.
by tyd3311 on May 18, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other thing about trading for a large salaried player
That would probably preempt any big activity on the FA market next offseason.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 18, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe that.
Padilla will cover just about anyone we acquire. And if we do end up acquiring a player, you have to figure that were still winning, and revenues will be up. I’ll stand by what I’ve always thought, in 2011 our payroll will be around 80-90 million.
by tyd3311 on May 18, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think there is no doubt the Rangers will look different on Opening Day 2010?
We aren’t a team with a boatload of potential free agents. Our starting IF is all locked up through 2012. 60% of our OFs are under control for at least 3 more years after this one plus 3 guys in AAA already on the 40. 3/5 of our starting rotation are under team control for at least another 3 years. And I only see 2 or 3 relievers who won’t be back next year.
Couple all that with the farm system we have and we don’t have t make any serious moves. Its a luxury we have but in no way do we have to make a bunch of changes.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 18, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Opening Day 2010
I mostly think Opening Day 2010 will look different, because Holland and perhaps Feliz force there way in the rotation. I also think Padilla could be gone with Sheets taking his pay and rotation spot. I am not convinced that Marlon Byrd will be back (although hopefully he can). I also think Borbon could be up. Plus bullpen changes and bench changes with Omar, A. Jones and Hank (maybe) gone. That’s lots of changes and we haven’t even talked about trades.
I was talking about the Majors opening day roster.
by peachygbc_1 on May 18, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't shake the feeling
that Sheets and Holland are just as likely to make an impact as most of the (realistic) players I have seen listed around here. Holland may have left a bad taste in our mouths, but I think his stuff is ML legit. I hate to sound too idealistic, but I think Holland and Feliz can have an impact similar to Lackey and KRod for the Angels in ’03.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 18, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But if the Padres are willing to give up Heath Bell for cheap, or KC will give up Juan Cruz, and possibly Mahay if healthy, then I think it’s worth exploring. I would give up a package of 2nd tier players in our organization like Wieland (sp?), Pimentel, Poveda, etc — guys that would be top ten in their organizations.
Our pen scares me, and as much as I think Holland and Feliz can go a long way towards fixing it, I would love to see someone take the place of Eddie and Kris Benson. This rotation will eventually have a bad stretch, and our lack of bullpen depth will be exposed. And, who knows just how hurt FX2 really is?
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on May 18, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland
No bad taste here.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on May 18, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would it take to get Buherle?
If the CHW continue to impload, what would it take to get Buherle?
Would starting a package around Borbon, Teagarden, Harrison, Arias and Boscan be enough to get the conversation started or are we looking at having to headline with Holland or Feliz?
by laxtonto on May 18, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's too much, IMO
Borbon is a good start, though.
by tyd3311 on May 18, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's signed through '12 I think
So I wouldn’t imagine they’ll trade him without blowing them out of the water. He’s been pretty good so far, and that would be a tough one to explain to fans who still remember the white flag trades of a decade ago.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on May 18, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
$14M a year
That would tap out our budget, and cost a lot in prospects.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 18, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy fuck.
for Mark Buerhle? Are you sure you don’t want to include Smoak as well, just for good measure. It has been a while since Kenny Williams raped us, so I guess we need to make up for lost time.
Borbon, Teagarden, Harrison, Arias and Boscan
Wow.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 18, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't trade
Harrison straight up for him
by texasdoc on May 18, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
the guy I am interested in talking about is Vinny Padilla. If we can unload him for something marginal to a team like the Mets, it would sure help us with flexability down the road. I have seen a lot of posts on here acting like we have money to spend. THIS TEAM COULD NOT AFFORD JUAN CRUZ LAST OFFSEASON. Where do you think we will find the money to take on anyone worth taking on? If JD is going to upgrade this team externally in any meaningful way, we will have to be buyers AND sellers.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 18, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yosimete Hicks will deliver
If his team is in contention. He’s shown a willingness to take on trade deadline money in the past, I imagine if the Rangers are still ahead by then, he’ll do it again. Please don’t confuse that as a vote of confidence in Hicks, but he has shown flexibility when the turn styles are moving. He’s touching himself right now imagining how much money a playoff appearance would bring in.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on May 18, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but this isn’t your slightly older brother’s Tom Hicks. I still think he will want to move someone like Padilla or Blalock before he takes on anything significant, especially if they are also still planning to add Sheets.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 18, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be in favor of moving both of those guys
and soon, while they have some value.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on May 18, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else out there
wondering if we can offer the Giants a deal for Sanchez similar to what the Mets offered for Oliver Perez a few years back?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 18, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What the Mets give for Perez?
The problem with Sanchez is that we really don’t need another #3/4 starter. We need someone who can front our rotation .
by tyd3311 on May 18, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would love to have sanchez
if only they would take blalock :(
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 18, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the Giants
want to go for it this year, I wonder if they would take Blalock and Vallejo for Sanchez. Do they have anyone to stick in his rotation spot? When is Lowry supposed to be back?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 18, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez is just the sort of arm
you always buy low on if you get the chance, even if there isn’t an obvious place for him. maybe we start him out in the pen, almost like we use Holland. this is just an example of reshuffling assets to address an area of greater need.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 18, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonder ho well he could do at the back of the pen?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 18, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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