Engel Beltre monthly splits
by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2009 1:00 PM CDT
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PrintEngel Beltre in April: .178/.221/.267, 20 Ks in 90 ABs
Engel Beltre in May: .333/.385/.438, 12 Ks in 48 ABs
Beltre's OPS is almost 350 points higher in May than in April, but he's striking out, walking, and hitting for power at the same rates in both months.
The difference is almost entirely in batting average...he's gone from having a ridiculously low BABIP in April to a ridiculously high BABIP in May.
I'm not sure what this means.
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thats not quite the ops i was hoping for in a a ridiculously lucky 20 games.
of course, 19 and it doesn’t matter.
the preceding post was a great success.
Maybe it means...
…nothing?
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
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Per Lucas
Main has improved in May because of decrease in his BABIP allowed. And nothing much else.
What’s mostly changed for Main is the hit rate of balls in play, from an eye-popping .438 to a better-but-still-high .358. (BABIPs for the team and league are .340 and .334, respectively.)
Not sure what that means either.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
Doesn't it mean..
..that he wasn’t that bad in the first place? Also, that his numbers should come down even more if all things continued to play out how they are currently?
by GhettoBear04 on May 18, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably
It just makes me think of Keynes using the phrase ‘animal spirits’ to describe an economy, like BABIP is some weird ghost floating around and making and breaking players’ offense. It’s only useful when you look at player vs. league, and yet players still can grossly under/outperform for long periods.
his numbers should come down even more if all things continued to play out how they are currently?
That I’m less convinced of…the BB rate needs to come down (but he had little difficulty with BBs last year).
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on May 18, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It means...
…he was unlucky and bad early. Now he’s slightly unlucky and not as bad. But not good.
One thing I didn’t mention is that Main has a crazy-high BABIP on outfield flies in play (i.e., flies that leave the infield and aren’t homers). As in .530. Could be getting hit hard, could be back luck on where they drop, could be bad defense. Could be some of each.
Irrespective of all that, his BB/SO rates have been consistently poor. But we’re not even 1/4 through the season. Not worried yet.
"I will hit you, emo boy." -- my wife to a pedestrian, 8 May 2009
The walk rate is nice
Not great, but its nice to see him taking more walks than last year while facing a tougher league.
I’m still wondering where the power is though. He’s in the Cal League. He should be doing much better than he was in Clinton.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
awesome.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 19, 2009 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I did this post yesterday
And the Four Aces post. I just scheduled them to pop up today.
by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It means
I know he’s still young, but I think we should just be pleasantly surprise if he ever learns patience at the plate.
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I like that premise
Without seeing him play, which I like to do before yapping about “what he is or what he is capable of” from a physiological standpoint, the numbers indicate that he may be maturing in one aspect. That would be selectivity about what to swing at. His seing mechanics and bat control may not change much, he’ll still miss or not see certain pitches all that well (true of everyone except Pujols and Vlad) but he may be getting smarter about what to hack at.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
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~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on May 18, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
At least he’s improved some at the new level, rather than going backwards. That would indicate that it’s not that he can’t do it (recognize pitches, etc), he just doesn’t usually.
by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, so I'm thinking
he looks less likely to be a superstar, but still has a good chance to be a major league player who contributes.
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And as "the next Juan Encarnacion"
I’d say that his value is maximized by trading him in about 1-2 years.
I love high ceiling guys. But if you think a guys potential is capped and other teams do not agree, then you have an opportunity for a big return on investment. The annals of recent baseball are littered with guys like Lastings Milledge and Felix Pie who are considered uber-prospect outfielders, the next Darryl Strawberry. If you have a Pie or Milledge, and you suspect that they are Pie or Milledge as opposed to actually Darryl Strawberry, then you need to trade him. Because toolsy, high ceiling OFers can net big returns before they start swinging and missing at the big league level. But once their weaknesses are obvious to everyone, their value is nil.
PhD
I don't think I would
since Andrus is just as good this year (so far) at a very young age and will be cheap for the next several years. Never mind the fact that if you’re going to make a trade this year, SS is the last position you’re looking to trade for.
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Well I'd say no to that, only because of CASH considerations
Reyes is probably due to make a lot of money soon. Andrus is going to be cheap for a while. Elvis is playing solid D and hitting the ball. Think of how much Reyes is going to get soon, either in arbitration or contract. And I believe that Justin Smoak is just about untouchable now. Can someone enlighten me about Beltre…I’ve not heard of all of the Rangers prospects, I only know about the ones that are mentioned a lot in the home pages.
by IanKinslerMVP on May 18, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Young OF that we got in the Gagne deal w/Boston
Tons of potential but as you can see, not exactly realizing it
some analysts had been way too quick to make comparisons to griffey and/or other HOF outfielders
he probably has as much potential as any player we have simply put
He's the ultimate high risk-high reward player
Has all the tools, but is extremely raw. If he achieves his potential, scouts have compared him to a Griffey/young Bonds hitting for power, stealing bases, and playing plus center field defense. That said, the odds of him achieving that potential, as with most raw, high-ceiling guys, are extremely rare.
Still, an exciting, intriguing prospect to have in your system, the kind of prospect that you collect in quantity, because eventually one of them will put it all together. Then, in the words of Lee Corso, watch out!
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
where's the risk?
trading Gagne away? I don’t see a high risk…only a potentially high reward.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 19, 2009 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Its not that risky if all we gave up was Eric Gagne (post steroids). If he does pan out, then we get all the reward. Are most of the Ranger farm teams in and around Texas. I use to really keep up with the farm system when I was younger. I remember Gonzalez, Pudge, and Rusty coming up through the system, but its been a while since I followed the farm. Are the Tulsa Drillers still one of the affiliates?
by IanKinslerMVP on May 19, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The walk rate is encouraging
And it makes the less than desired slugging somewhat understandable. If hes being more patient and possibly passing up pitches he can slug in order to work counts better then thats fine.
Any word on how his defense has been? Is he playing more CF or a COF spot. I know in Bakersfield the CF isnt very big and last year we had Borbon playing almost right behind 2nd base to challenge him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Beltre
I’m not particularly optimistic about him.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
Sounds like the Beltre in Seattle
Lots of upside when he came in, but just ended up being a tease. Except for that one huge season with the Dodgers, he did very little to justify that contract that the Mariners gave him. Another player comes to mind when I think of busts, (besides Pamela Anderson) Raul Mondesi, that old Dodger outfielder who had a million tools, but ended up being a tool himself.
I wouldnt mind
if he had a career like Mondesi’s who had an OPS of 113l. Sub Mondesi’s great arm for Beltre’ s possible great range and you have a good starting CFer.
by Michael Cave on May 18, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
mondesi a bust?
he wasn’t ken griffey jr or barry bonds, but he certainly was a good player with a nice career.
Omar Vizquel: your starting shortstop for the 2009 AL all-star team.
Mention Mondesi's name in L.A.
And everyone’s smile turns upside down…I’m telling you, Raul WAS sliced bread here in L.A. He couldn’t cut down his strikeouts and then he was traded away or something. I agree with you guys in that, he was a solid ball player, but people here in L.A. thought he was going to be the shit, and by that I mean the same type of expectations we have for someone like Smoak. As far as Adrian Beltre goes, I saw a lot of those games on TV, when he came in second in MVP balloting. The Dodgers must have known that he wasn’t going to repeat a year like that. I’m sure the Dodgers would have liked to have kept him but didn’t want to invest 9-10 million a year. That one great year though, seemed like he hit a homer every damn time he came to the plate, 48 I think it was. But alas, he only averaged about half that, which is good, but I think the Dodgers must have known that he performed like that on a contract year.
by IanKinslerMVP on May 19, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure about this
“Except for that one huge season with the Dodgers, he did very little to justify that contract that the Mariners gave him.”
I don’t think you could claim that Adrian Beltre has been a bust for Seattle. he’s been a little above average for his position offensively (with the exception of this year), and he’s been excellent defensively. He’s also rarely injured. Not up to his peak season, but he’s a great thirdbaseman.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
And even that might be underselling it a little.
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by thedirkatron on May 18, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Responding strictly to your statement.
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by thedirkatron on May 18, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
sat on the 3b side for that series
the dude is pretty fun to watch. even if im chanting for him to blow it everytime its hit his way
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Yeah I guess you're right in a sense...
Considering how much we are paying Michael Young who should hit for more power and doesn’t. The first thing I noticed on these posts was that a lot of people say MY is overrated. I always thought otherwise. You see, this leads me to believe that, depending on where you are coming from (geographically) you have a different opinion about the player. You see, I used to see guys like Mondesi and Beltre on a daily basis and I saw all the little things they do wrong. But since I don’t get to see MY a lot, I look at HIS solid numbers and consider him underrated. I don’t know how a guy can get 200 hits a year and bat .300 all those years and be considered overrated. I do wish he hit for more power, like that 24 homer year he put up, but I think he’s a star that is underrated. I guess if you live in Texas, you see things a lot differently.
by IanKinslerMVP on May 19, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Line spaces man, Line spaces ..
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
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by inactive lsb user on May 19, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's a bit unfair
Beltre hits for a decent average and good power while providing great defense at a tough position. He may not be a perennial all-star, but he’s a good player.
by Sherman McCoy on May 18, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
What are you talking about?
Beltre is a solid 3B, very good glove and average bat most seasons.
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he just learned how to hit singles
it’s and underrated art form.
Omar Vizquel: your starting shortstop for the 2009 AL all-star team.
JD on 40 after the hour on ESPN radio
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Honestly missed it
Got a phone call right then. Tuned back in about 42 minutes after the hour and they were already done.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
The Rev and HH
Are getting play on The Ticket right now.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Corby was reading from the Rev's rant
About how the umps and MLB wanted the Rangers to a great year to invade Cowboy country.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
This from HH is great !!
OT but about Sunday’s Weaver start.
http://www.halosheaven.com/2009/5/18/878661/angels-leave-it-to-jered-weaver-5
Excellent.
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by Ed Coffin on May 18, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Those cartoons are actually usually pretty entertaining.
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by thedirkatron on May 18, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite line
“Hey! The Weav’s gonna get his ass kicked!” followed up by Atta boy Ward, give it to him good!"
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Poor Rickie Weeks
Finally having a breakout season, and….
Rickie Weeks is expected to undergo season-ending surgery for a torn tendon sheath in his left wrist.
Joaquin Arias?
Melvin loves him some Rangers busts
Make it happen JD. I want Trot, I mean, Todd Coffey
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Wasn't it Milwaukee that...
got Kevin Mench and Laynce Nix from Texas…along with Bobby Shouse?
by IanKinslerMVP on May 19, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Brian Shouse
Shouse was traded in a separate deal than Mench and Nix. Melvin traded for him in the beginning of the 06 season, then later that season traded for Mench, Nix, and Francisco Cordero.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Amazing looking at the box score page
B Zobrist walked, B Upton scored, E Longoria to third, C Pena to second.
W Aybar hit by pitch, E Longoria scored, C Pena to third, B Zobrist to second.
J Bartlett singled to center, C Pena and B Zobrist scored, W Aybar to second.
J Bartlett and W Aybar scored on K Suzuki’s passed ball.
Also, they're in Tampa
So it’s hard to believe the passed ball would get so far away that two guys would have time to score. I could see it with the 40 acres of foul territory in Oakland.
Here's the replay
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4616071
Looks like the A’s got the signs crossed or something, and Suzuki got beaned in the facemask.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
The As
are the new Rangers
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Yay! Hope they stay that way for years.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
I want to see them
acquire Chan Ho Park and sign Adam Eaton.
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Lock up Shea Hillenbrand
and they’re all set.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
I came here to split hairs. And you?
by inactive lsb user on May 19, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Perkins only lasted 0.2 innings for the Twins and gave up six runs against NYY, including HRs to Teixeira and A-Rod.
The only reason I mention this is because now our ol’ buddy RA Dickey is pitching for the Twins.
4 game sweep looming
ouch…
who the fuck wants to win the AL central?
81 wins may win that division….seriously
Has their ever been a more logical pairing than Nick Johnson and the A's?
Spock would nut at just the idea of those two getting together.
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by thedirkatron on May 18, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't they almost work out a deal for him over the winter or something?
I seem to recall hearing something about the A’s going after him, but eventually settling for Giambi.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
I 'member that, too.
He’s such a patient beastly hitter and such a fat piece of injury-prone gelatin in the field.
If we end up dealing Smoak/Davis or feel he won’t be ready to start ‘10, I’d love, love, love to bring Nick Johnson in here to DH.
All he does is hit the shit out of the ball and walk. He hates making outs like the Newberg hates sunshine and puppies.
Oh how I love .400+ obp’s…
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by thedirkatron on May 19, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I’m totally glad the A’s/Johnson marriage never happened just so we don’t have to pitch to him.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
Another guy I though that would be good like that was
Lyle Overbay in Toronto
by IanKinslerMVP on May 19, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
He's been a pleasant surprise for my fantasy team
Up until a few days ago he was still only 7% owned, I didn’t understand why. But then he popped a couple of HR’s and people started to notice.
Lackey's made it through eight pitches against the M's so far
Throughout the Angels’ broadcast, they’ve been talking about what makes Lackey a No. 1 is that he can put his fastball exactly where he wants to.
Kinda makes his answer about being all amped up against Kinsler look like a load of bullshit, huh?
Johjima just bunted for a base hit to lead off the second
Now Franklin “gay porn star” Gutierrez is up, he of the winning hit last night.
Yay for bad defense by the Angels
After a bunt moved two runners to second and third, Cedeño bunted for a squeeze play, and the throw to first sailed, scoring two runs and putting Cedeño at third.
Yep
I think the M’s pull out of their slump in this series.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Wait
Johjima beat out a bunt hit? What, did the fielder break his leg going for the ball or something?
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
Shh Josey will hear you
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 18, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now his ERA is down to 11.25.
That’s No. 1 starter material right there. After all, according to Rex Hudler and Steve Physioc, repeating what pitching coach Mike Butcher said, he can put his fastball exactly where he wants to.
Elvis would of had it.
Of course Elvis is a baseball god.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Hunter hits a bases-clearing double... 6-4 Angels. >.<
I knew Washburn would start sucking eventually, but I was hoping it wouldn’t be today.
Napoli 6-3 groundout ends the inning but LAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa scored five times in the fifth inning.
The M's suck
I’m going to bed. Later Inkara
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
This just in: Brandon Morrow still sucks
Kendry Morales hit a two-run HR to deep center field… 8-5 Angels
Lookout Landing must be having fun.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
That straight fastball of his is getting tagged.
Did they jack with his development?
I forgot why he wasn’t left as a starter. He seems way out of whack.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
I came here to split hairs. And you?
by inactive lsb user on May 19, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
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by thedirkatron on May 19, 2009 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions
wow.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 19, 2009 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Heh.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
Gagne for Gabbard/Beltre/Murphy
What other offers from other teams were on the table besides the one they got from the Red Sox?
Rumors of a Yankee offer that may or may not have included Melky Cabrera or Ian Kennedy.
I’ve read rumor that we were offered a package involving one or the other and just plain liked the Sox offer better… and I’ve also read rumor that we asked for one or the other as the centerpiece and the Yanks balked.
It’s always hard to get a read on exactly who truly offered what since leaking that sort of shit after the fact behooves no one.
Here’s the only link I could find on the subject:
Linky, Linky, Kitchen Sinky.
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by thedirkatron on May 19, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Michael Bowden
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
Supposedly anyway.
But if we had taken him, would we still have gotten Beltre?
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
heh
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
I came here to split hairs. And you?
by inactive lsb user on May 19, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
David Murphy had a solid season last year
How do people in Texas feel about him…I mean if he didn’t get injured, he was a lock for 20 home runs and at least 90 runs batted in. I know he got off to a slow start but I think he’s been picking it up.
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