Ken Rosenthal on trading for Cliff Lee or Victor Martinez

They are outright demanding someone who is probably regarded higher than Lee (at least by many) and is going to be controlled about 6 times longer than Lee.

Basically, they are asking for the most coveted commodity in baseball (and in this case, they don’t even have the legit ace or superstar that actually makes the deal likely)

Good luck with that

They would never take MATHIS!

Any deal starts and ends with the Lizard!

hehz

when we talk about trading for bullpen arms. It seems the worst trades always involve giving up way too much for a bullpen guy. Just look at Engel Beltre-Murphy for Gagne. Gagne tanked and the Rangers made off like bandits.

hah.

I don’t think anyone thinks that Cliff Lee is the 2008 aberration Cliff Lee, but he still would be solid for us, I have to believe. He would pitch innings, probably have a sub 5.00 ERA, and be positive for the staff. I would certainly like to make a move to get him for 1.5 years, but no way I part with an exceptional arm to do so.

He’s really good.

its going to cost an arm and a leg to get peavy

Really, ballpark ERA?

Does no one see the flaws in this sort of argument?

This strikes me as either posturing, or them letting people know that he’s not really for sale unless someone wants to absolutely bowl them over for him.

However if they do decide to deal him, the best they will probably get is something like 2 or 3 above average prospects.

maybe something like Max and Beaven

I think it depends on the individual. With Feldman, in particular, given his history, I’m more likely to pull him early. And in this particularly situation, with a tie game, and a fully rested pen, and an off-day today, I’d have him on a shorter leash.

If we are up 4-0 I’d probably have been more willing to let him start the 6th and see how he did than with a tie game.

They’d have to prett much empty the whole thing out, and even then I don’t know if they’d have enough to get both Lee and Martinez.

They were ranked 25th by BA before the season, and that was with Adenhart (RIP).

The fact that he completely went to shit and had to be rebuilt in the minors is a little scary, but it also kind of makes looking at his production before that a little misleading, imo.

He’s really good. I know FIP has taken quite a beating around here lately, but his was 2.83 last year and, despite his struggles getting the ball down in his first few starts, it stands at 3.17 so far this year. I don’t know why people on here are so down on Lee.

1.5 years of a really good starter on the trade market is gonna cost you.

I doubt they’ll get the Hanson/Holland type they’re yelping about here, but they’ll get a haul.

but he’s better than a league average lefty. He’d easily be the best Rangers starter.

but he sucks in tBiA (kidding)

i dont doubt he is good, and anyone logical would agree, he is a legit #2 and very solid

i think the ultimate question is how much you think he is worth in terms of the upgrade over what we currently have and the subsequent cost to obtain him

in other words…what is the opportunity cost involved

You’ve got to admit, even as impressive as Dutch has been so far his secondary pitches haven’t really come into play yet. Between the fact that it’s allowed him to live off his fastball and the extremely limited innings he’s seen so far, I really not sure I see what kind of edge bringing him up through the ‘pen is actually giving him for that jump into the major league roto, other than getting the off-field culture shock of being in the major league clubhouse out of the way. But as far as development of his stuff goes, I can’t say that I’ve really seen that.