New Draft Thread
by clark on May 20, 2009 10:17 AM CDT
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PrintI think we're about to lose the previous draft post and subsequent conversations from the main page, so let's get this party started...again. Here are all the links that were included in the last thread:
Andy's most recent first round projection over at minorleagueball.com...click around and check out Andy's previous projections.
The Sporting News has some interesting articles up about Crow, Volz, and the college closer trend on their mlb draft page.
Some early prep profiles from Saberscouting...RIP, we hardly knew you...
Check out milb's draft profiles to familiarize yourself with some of the top names, and then check BA's updated draft tracker to see how these guys have progressed throughout the year. Here is their general draft page, with some great stuff for everyone and lots more behind the pay wall.
Here is the link to Brewerfan.net's top 30 as another point of reference (although their top 30 is already looking a little outdated in this year's very fluid first round).
Another useful resource during draft season is PG Crosschecker, although you either have to pony up for a subscription or root around for scraps of free information.
A new (and somewhat questionable) source of data this year is Real Baseball Intelligence. Their top prospects list includes some eyebrow raising locations for more than a few familiar names.
And here's an early first round mock from the Sporting News as well as one from mymlbdraft.com.
Since this is my thread, I'll go ahead and link the player bio of my personal cheeseball, current UNC LHP and future Ranger great Brian Moran.
If you have more helpful links, throw 'em up here.
Well all right! Let's commence the jigglin'!
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shelby miller
last night pitched 3 hit shutout with 14 K’s in 2-0 win.
8 scouts in attendance plus a guy named Nolan.
i guess he will try to go on Saturday on 3 days rest. probably shouldn’t
but probably will. B’wood not that great without him.
3 Days' Rest
All I have to say is that I hope his coach ponies up for future medical bills…ugh…
by Andy Seiler on May 20, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Miller
I have liked what i’ve read and i’d be happy with that pick but man I want matzek baaaaad. he just wont be there.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
yeah there are 2 prep guys id die to have
Matzek and Zach Wheeler, but neither should be there when we pick
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
crazy things can/will happen this year!
keep up the faith!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Brian Moran
I’d like to see the Rangers get him, just for all the “Get a Brain Moran” references that will pop up on here…
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
Miller
Last night in Abilene Nolan was there watching Shelby Miller pitch at Hardin Simmons University.
At this point
I would be very happy to end up with Shelby Miller…of course, I was saying that last year about Ethan Martin and then Justin Smoak fell to us.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
He reportedly wants Rick Porcello money ($7MM).
I don’t remember where I read it.
by NoNameOnCard on May 20, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Keith Law says it's in the $2-3 million range regardless of draft position.
Says that here. It was posted only 4 days ago, so I’d think that’s much more accurate than the wild numbers we’ve been seeing. Jacob Turner is much more likely to ask for $7 million.
Here's a link to Andy's "Stock Report"
on collegiate pitchers from over at minorleagueball.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
and this is once instance
where it is completely okay for Rangers fans to go over and stuff the ballot box.
Vote for your preference for the Rangers’ pick at 14 here.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
given the options
i’m going turner there.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
no way i see A's grabbing Miller
but if turner and miller fall, id be good with that
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
i'd be surprised too
i’m guessing leake fits their profile better if he falls.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
the guy i want the rangers to be in on
josh turley, LHP, texas high
last night, pitched a 1 hit shutout, won 3-0, outpiched c. cain (waxahachie), 13 k’s, threw 87-88
every report (from fans) ive read said that cain was VERY impressive (90-92 FB, 75-77 CB) but turley stole the show
had all my links in the other post, but this is a guy who can straight up play, he does well at every level he plays at — be it the select tournaments with DBAT, the Area Codes games, Tournament of Stars, or 4A baseball
quick scouting report: 3/4th slot, throws in mid to upper 80s, hits his spots very well, Change Up may be best pitch, also has a very good CB, mentally tough — baylor signee, 6’-6’1" ~175
i really hope the rangers are in on this guy…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
what round would i take him?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
i would be estatic if we got
one of the top arms/guys falling to us + heathcott in the 2nd + turley in the 3rd
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
would you be willing
to bump Heathcott up to the sup round and Turley up to the 2nd round to make sure you get them?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
id take heathcott in the sup round
he is a kid who, almost without a doubt, is a 1st round talent but had bad injury luck this year
like i said before, hes playing ball again and from talking to people who were at his game last night — the speed has completely returned
id take him in the supp round for sure
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
well shit
if he’s already playing again, he may not even be there in the supplemental round. i had seen this kid’s name as a potential top 5 pick last year at this time. getting him at 44 would essentially be adding two first round picks.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
that said
if we do go Miller, Heathcott, Turley with our first three picks, it would be pretty fun to see all that TX flavor in our farm system. But if all three of those guys are pitchers, then i would like to see us grab some hitters soon thereafter. I know, BPA and pitching is the currency of baseball and all that, but it would be nice to address that area a bit.
I am a little frustrated they didn’t draft that Thames kid out of Pepperdine last year when he slipped to the 6th (or 7th?) round after being projected as a 2nd rounder.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
If we go Miller/Heathcott/Turley, I'm going to cry myself to sleep that night.
That’d be horrible draft value at #44 and 62. Miller’s arm action is scary, too. Big arms come with big risk. In addition, Heathcott is a second rounder at best, and missing most of the year only hurts his stock. It doesn’t matter if it’s an arm injury. Any sort of thing that keeps a kid off the diamond is viewed as a big setback in development at that age. Finally, Turley’s been discussed as a kid that probably will be available in the last half of the draft. That’s rounds 26-50. Being a solid prep pitcher with phenomenal numbers isn’t enough. Patrick Schuster absolutely dominated big-time competition in Florida, and is still viewed with skepticism. I predict Turley lands at Baylor come August.
hes been in and out all year (probably hasnt played 15 games)
and like i said, i think 0 IP
hes VERY good
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
and concerning Heathcott
do you like him more as a LHP or an OF?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
he's a ridiculous hitter
but has hit 95 as a lefty
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
LHP
but keep in mind he had zero IP this year because of the injuries
he can bring it in the mid 90s — and as a fun fact he evidently also throws over 80 MPH right handed lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I've always wanted to see
a switch handed pitcher. Would be deadly to platoon players everywhere.
Also, runner on 1st, switch to lefty to keep a better eye on him. Runner on third, switch to righty. Hehe.
i have your wish right here:
look him up on youtube for his sweet switch pitcher vs switch hitter AB last yr lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
does anyone have a firm grasp
on where this guy could go? is he a first day pick (which i guess is top three rounds)? do they foresee any more velocity on that fastball in the future? if so, he could be a huge value pick anywhere after the first round.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
this is from BA last summer
Josh Turley, lhp, Texas HS, Texarkana, Texas
Turley is a 6-foot, 170-pound lefthander with a fastball that sits between 84 and 85 mph. However, this is the second time I have seen Turley pitch, and it’s the second time that he has absolutely dominated the nation’s top high school hitters. The first time I saw him was at USA Baseball’s Tournament of Stars in June where he pitched five perfect innings, striking out 10. At the Area Code Games on Tuesday, Turley pitched two innings, striking out five of the six batters that he faced. Even more impressive, Turley threw only 19 total pitches in those five strikeout at-bats. He struck out the side in the first inning, throwing nine total pitches. Turley complements his fastball with a very good curveball, changeup and slider—commanding all four pitches well.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
crafty lefty who throws 3 quality pitches right now, but never gets it above 88 mph
he is interesting.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
to be fair he was sitting in the 87-88 mph area last nite from what i understand
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
this
may be one of the most impressive things in sports when it happens:
He struck out the side in the first inning, throwing nine total pitches.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
impressive combo:
first inning: 9 pitches, 3 ks
second inning: 10 pitches, 2 k’s
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
opera just ate a big post about this
he is economical with his pitches
he has control of 3 good pitches
he is LHP
he could put on some MPH (is about 6’1 and 175) more than likely
is polished
and while he doesnt throw 95 he does well at every level (area code games, touranemnt of stars, select tournament — was with DBAT last year, high school)
im excited to see where he lands on the BA top 200 this week (i think it comes out this week)
finally, i would be VERY excited to get heathcott in the 2nd rd/turley in the 3rd round/have someone fall to us @ 14 — fwiw he and heathcott played on the area code team together, DBAT together, 4 years oF HS together
i dont know if i could be any happier about that draft….and i havent heard from anyone that he was/is going to have HUGE bonus demands or that we cant buy him out of college…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Turley's not that good.
I can’t think of anyone in my top 200 I’d rather give up to get him. Control lefties that sit in the upper 80s at 6’1’’ are a dime a dozen. In addition, the chances of him adding a good amount of velocity are slim to none. I’d be surprised if he could reach 93 by the time he finishes at Baylor. Kid’s not a 3rd rounder by a longshot.
andy told me he thought these guys would go around here:
Hobgood: Early supplemental
Shaffer: Fifth Round is my best guess at this point
Heathcott: Second
Davidson: Early supplemental
id be pretty damn happy if we got Heathcott in the 2nd
id be ecstatic if miller slid even though i really like zach wheeler but if we have our choice Purke and Miller ill do cartwheels and we better take one. Then hope that the lefty from OK is around (he prob wont be) Chad James or Matt Davidson if he’s still around with the Sup, and the 2nd goes to nab Heathcott. If we pulled that off in the 1st 3 picks, id kiss JD on the lips
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
heathcott could be a steal in the 2nd
he would be a no doubter first round had he not torn his ACL last year (football) and still came bck in time for baseball this year before hurting his shoulder (i think he dislocated it) diving for a ball part way through district, then was ineligible
if heathcott if there in the 2nd round, i would be VERY excited about getting him
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Random Question...
Who is the HS pitcher that ESPN was pimping a couple weeks ago for throwing 3 or 4 straight no-hitters, and approx where is he projected to go in the draft?
Patrick Schuster
dunno when he is supposed to go though
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I think I remember some ESPN guy (Law?) saying 6th-10th round range
But he also said he could really benefit from going to college. As of now he’s apparently not a big-time pro prospect.
X
Allyson, Dallas: Nolan Ryan watched Shelby Miller pitch last night in a Texas HS playoff game and did not disappoint (7 IP 4 H 14 K 1 BB 0 R). Think Miller will last to the Rangers at pick 14? Thanks!
Jim Callis: (2:26 PM ET ) I think he has a chance to do just that—and Miller was my projected Rangers pick in that first mock draft. Miller is very talented, but he’s the fourth-best HS pitcher on our board. And the fourth-best HS pitcher usually doesn’t go before the 14th pick.
Go Rangers...don't suck...
and
Allyson, Dallas: So if the Rangers have to decide between Miller and Purek (the lefty HS pitcher from Houston) who will Nolan and Daniels pick? Thanks again!
Jim Callis: (2:28 PM ET ) Think they might go Miller in that case. They’re very close and Miller sounds like he’ll be easier to sign.
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 20, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
two things
1. I think Purke is going to drop quite a bit if he wants Porcello money, because he ain’t Porcello.
2. Who is this Allyson?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
(GA): Slade Heathcott: Pitcher or Outfielder in the pros?
Jim Callis: (2:54 PM ET ) The Texas HS product is talented both ways. My guess is he starts his career as an outfielder, and pitching is the fallback.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
woohoo
i made the chat!
j
ohn (DC): does heathcott last until the end of the 1st? 1st Supp? 2nd? — had he not been injured/ineligible where would he have ranked?
Jim Callis: (2:56 PM ET ) Hard to say. On pure talent, you could make a case for the first round. Should have mentioned too that he hasn’t pitched and has spent almost the entire spring DHing, making it harder to evaluate. There also are makeup questions with him, so hard to say how much that will hurt him too. I’ll still guess second/third round.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
stupid formatting
regarding the makeup questions i think that ties to the fact that he is reported to be pretty cocky, and i doubt his ineligiblty (academics) has helped that at ALL
but there are whispers of what no one of us want to hear (lets just say that he returned from his torn ACL REALLLLLLLLLLLY fast )
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
you should have slipped Turley in there as well
if there is ANY WAY they can get Miller in the first, Heathcott in the 2nd and Turley in the 3rd, it would just be an unbelievable haul. Now I have to decide who I want in the supplemental round, maybe Marc Krauss?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
i did
RIGHT after i submitted that one :(
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
davidson if he slips is in my prayers
wouldnt mind a Davidson in the supp and a Heathcott in the 2nd, with miller or purke or turner or wheeler, whoever slides as the 14
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
other nugget:
James (LA): Matzek, Purke, Wheeler, Miller. In that order?
Jim Callis: (2:28 PM ET ) Our top four are Turner, Matzek, Purke, Miller, with Wheeler right behind at No. 5.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
Turner sounds pretty badass from what ive read
good curve, good velociity as he has hit 98mph i recent outings and control seem to be his key features.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
im thinking theres a really good chance
that one of those 5 is there at 14
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
okay
without having seen the BA top 200, I’ll go ahead and throw out my fingers crossed projection of our top 6 picks, as of this very moment:
1. RHP Shelby Miller (this is the guy I think has the best chance of actually being there)
1S. OF Marc Krauss (U of Ohio guy who has broken pretty much every batting record in his league, and he’s just a pure hitter)
2. OF/LHP Slade Heathcott (this one will take a little over-slot money to sign)
3. 3B/OF Dillon Baird (U of Arizona guy, another pure hitter)
4. RHP Ryan Perry (why not, maybe he’s cursed, or maybe he will illogically slip two rounds lower than he should go)
5. RHP Josh Turley (I’ll pull the trigger here, despite Andy’s damning remarks)
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
judging by comments above
Turley may be a bit of an overdraft. I would just slot Brian Moran in there, but I have a feeling that would be an overdraft as well. When can a team think about taking Scott Bittle?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I think you mean Ryan Berry from Rice, right?
Ryan Perry’s on the Tigers. Anyway, Baird’s probably a first baseman, and he hasn’t played third for any extended amount of time lately. Arizona’s always started someone else at third over Baird if they’ve had the chance. So he’s basically a first baseman or DH. He’s not a good fielder.
Colton Cain?
Where does he fit in the draft? I would like him in round #2 or possibly at #44
it sounds like
no one would balk at him going at either of those picks, but I’ve seen him more as a second round guy.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
3rd round
Anyway Cain gets to the 3rd round? I am guessing if he goes much lower than that he is in Austin next year. I
There's a chance...
But it’d be because of his bonus demands to be signed away from UT. He’s a true second rounder with a chance for the supplemental first.
cain
threw well last night vs texas high but was outpitched by turley last night
was throwing in 90-92 range + showing a good curve last nite
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 20, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
does anyone know
where UNC’s Kyle Seager could go? 2-3 round?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
1st rounder?
-Pray for Turner slide and that he asks a fortune and that Hicks doesnt go cheap (see Jared Weaver, Porcello)
-Miller, Purke, Wheeler one should fall
-If Turner is gone and Miller is gone and Purke to it could mean Leake may be around
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Hey Andy, can you tell me anything about
Mychal Givens from Plant HS, Tampa
saw this snippet at BA: Despite 97 mph heat, consensus has him going out as a hitter.
whats the story on this kid?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Can we add a link at the top to the old draft thread?
And then when we start a third one, we link to this one and the older one…
Mild shock.
At this level of pro ball, it’s hard to tell who’s really responsible for mediocre results: the players, the coaches, or the system in which they are parts.
In watching the Frisco pitchers roll out there every day, you really never knew what was going to happen. The club has been unable to string together solid pitching performances all year long. The bullpen has talent, but execution seems to be something of a problem. The rotation has been a crap shoot of sorts, but injuries and a number of promotions/demotions left it scrambling more often than not. 40 games in, and the RoughRiders have had games started by Poveda, Kiker, Schlact, Moscoso, Hunter, Hyatt, Ballard, Hamilton, and Kris Benson. Okay, the last one shouldn’t count…
The organization’s concerns about Slusarski as a coach apparently date back to spring training. Maybe the players didn’t respond well to him. I can make no claim as to what exactly the problem was, but the simple answer is that the RoughRiders pitching staff should be better than it has been.
From what I’ve read (just Wilson’s report), I haven’t seen any word on whether he was re-assigned or simply let go.
by NoNameOnCard on May 21, 2009 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Alright
so we had about 6 people interested in a mock draft of some sort. Instead of having teams, I think it’s better we do divisions (one poster drafts for the entire division)
Let’s make it quick and dirty, I’m thinking 4 rounds right now, anyone else with suggestions?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Jonathan Walsh
I had heard he’s a pretty strong commit to University of Texas, but there’s been buzz about him going early 2nd/supplemental 1st lately.
Is there a chance we take a guy like this in the 2nd? Especially with Hick’s propensity to steal away UT commits lately?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
That's too high.
He’s really lost his luster this year, and I’m almost sure he goes to school. He’s not even close to being a top prep catcher in this class anymore.
I just got told by John Manuel to take my ritalin for asking too many questions in a draft chat.
Anyway, he had a really great chat today covering tons of info for BA subscribers.
(more) turley info
Turley carved up the Waxahachie hitters like a young Michaelangelo playing with clay. I don’t know if the scouts were impressed, but I was. They’ll say he’s too small. They’ll say he doesn’t throw hard enough. They’ll say he’s not consistent enough. I’ll say they’re wrong. This guy wasn’t experimenting on the mound, he was carving up hitters with a wide variety of pitches, and he had a purpose for each one of them. He followed the big overhand curve with an unhittible fastball in the eyes for a swinging strikeout. Then, he’d paint the black with a “freeze him” fastball and the hitter could do nothing but stare and then take another left turn back to the dugout. And that changeup is a big league pitch right now. It rolls off the table, and he even knows where it’s going most of the time. Turley was so dominant that when the Waxahachie hitters managed a routine fly or ground ball out, it seeed like a moral victory for the hitter. Totals for the night: 14 strikeouts, one clean base hit allowed (2 official hits), and no runners reaching third base in a complete game 3-0 victory to advance to the Regional quarterfinals.
im telling you, this is a guy who does nothing but succeed
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
BP Mock 1st Round
Kevin Goldstein did a mock 1st round yesterday, and has the Rangers taking Shelby Miller.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8915 (subscription only)
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
has them passing on leak too
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Uh-Oh
Mississippi righthander Scott Bittle’s college career is over, and his draft future is in doubt after he was diagnosed with a partially torn shoulder capsule this week.
klaw chat nuggets:
greg (Philly): draft theory question – for teams that lost their first round pick, could they end up being better off if they start taking “signability” guys in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds, and spread that first round money they didn’t spend around?
Keith Law: (1:07 PM ET ) Yes, they could, if enough of those guys fall to them. I’ve heard the Phillies on Kyrell Hudson and Slade Heathcott, both of whom would probably want more than slot for the Phillies’ first pick (which is in the second round).
Ross (CA): Who is the latest player, outside of Minor to rise on your board? Anybody somewhat off the radar that is gaining some legitimate draft helium?
Keith Law: (1:13 PM ET ) David Renfroe, a two-way HS player in Mississippi. Yankees are supposedly on him pretty good, although I’m assuming that’s for their second pick. Good athlete but doesn’t do enough as a hitter or on the mound to get me excited, and supposedly he’s telling clubs he wants first-round money or he’s going to school.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
Phillies pick after us in the 2nd right?
meaning if they arre going for hrathcott he has to get by us first?
here’s for hoping
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
i think so
hes throwing bullpens btw (may or may not throw for Thigh in the playoffs — andthey are playing in mesquite tonight by the way — #4 4A team vs #5 4A team if anyone is interested)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 22, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
link
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=26571
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 22, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
New MLB Draft Blog
Had enough of a shameless self-promotion fanpost over at Minor League Ball, put I launched a new MLB Draft blog.
If you’re interested in it, come on over and comment or whatever. There’s likely a future SBNation MLB Draft Blog coming your way if the readership is good. At least that’s what I’ve been told…
Leake last night vs UCLA
Arizona State
IP H R ER BB SO AB BF
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Leake, Mike……… 9.0 4 0 0 0 12 30 31
Haven’t seen a pitch count but I’d be very very happy if the Rangers drafted him.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
same here
i woul dbe 100% ok with taking him over miller or purke
do we have any idea about bonus demands w/ leake?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 23, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
heathcott-turley
heathcott hit a 2 run HR to put up texas high 3-1 vs poteet — they went on to win 3-2 and play one of the rockwall teams in the next round
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
turley
i think threw a CG — allowed 2 runs?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 23, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
there is a guy from east texas that pitched monday (155 pitches) and then pitched again last night (110+ pitches)
so 265+ pitches in a 5 day period.
im sure the kids dad was having a heart attack.
there is simply no reason that any HS age pitcher should ever throw 155 pitches in a single game.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
I disagree in general...
But you are probably right in this case.
by NoNameOnCard on May 24, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
ok to say ever may be a little strong
but would you want your kid to go throw 265 pitches in a 5 day period?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 24, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
If the kid has no intention
of ever being a pro he can throw as much as he wants, just a point not knowing who this guy is and what he hopes to be when he grows up.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
the kid is pretty good
(first team all state last year @ 3A)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 24, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
But he might have his heart set
on being a doctor or something.
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so he wants to throw 265+ pitches becaus eof that?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 24, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not speaking to this instance
so much as to the general idea of young pitchers throwing too much. Just positing that there could be situations where pitch counts don’t matter so much. I think there was a recent case of a kid that was going to be a lawyer or accountant or something. He put the team on his back, pitched like 3 times in 2 days. The coach asked him if he was sure he wanted the ball and the kid basically said I’m going to be an accountant in two weeks, who the hell cares about my pitch count. That being in my recent memory is probably why I replied the way I did.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
ahh fair enough
makes more sense now!!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 25, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Found it
This guy threw 21 shutout innings in 26 hours!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4171780
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
gracias!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 25, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
A study
trying to disprove the “HS pitchers are the most risk-filled proposition in the draft” idea.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
That doesn't speak as much to risk as it does to raw counting numbers.
Using average WAR per draftee for the first round for their first six years in the bigs (before free agency) is a much better way of viewing it. Read this. It’s much more explanatory of the true risk.
BP Chat with Bryan Smith
mike leake (pitching against KState): My stock seems to be rising in the draft, am I really top 10 material or just hot at the right time?
Bryan Smith: One of my first curiosities when looking at the bracket is who Pat Murphy throws in his first two games. Kent State is no easy tournament-opening assignment, as we all know about the arms that Kent State can throw at you. I agree, I throw Leake.
You know, I don’t buy Leake as a top ten talent, because I don’t think you’re looking at a guy that could be a 1 or 2 in the Majors, and his stuff doesn’t play in relief as well as some harder throwers. I like where KG put Leake in his “way-too-early mock draft,” giving him to Arizona with one of their back-to-back picks. Diamondbacks have a nice opportunity to go safe with one pick and high ceiling with the other.
Tucci (Draft Day): If you were drafting at 10, 20 and 30, and were limited to college players, who do you like?
Bryan Smith: If I was to have to reach at each of those benchmarks, I’d take Jared Mitchell at 10, Chad Jenkins at 20, and Rich Poythress at 30. I love Mitchell’s potential, even if there’s a long way to go both in the field (where he’s mistake-prone) and at the plate. Chad Jenkins has become one of my favorite first round arms, as I’m a sucker for a power sinker. And Poythress is just going to mash. I see less differences between him and Yonder Alonso than their respective draft standings would suggest.
mymrbig (New Orleans): Assuming Rice starting pitchers Ryan Berry and Mike Ojala drop some in the draft because of their injuries earlier this year, do you see either returning to Rice for their senior seasons?
Bryan Smith: Hard to know, but I doubt it. I think if Berry falls to the late second, early third, he’s still getting drafted where he thought he would be before the season. Same for Ojala. You have to remember their late season slides (in draft standing) is met by their early season helium. And considering that next year could bring more injuries, I think the best option for both players is to take the money and run. But until we know where they’re drafted, that’s really impossible to know.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
Did he really downgrade Leake as a starting pitcher...
because he’s not very good in relief? WTF?
by NoNameOnCard on May 26, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
dont ask me
just posting info
You know, I don’t buy Leake as a top ten talent, because I don’t think you’re looking at a guy that could be a 1 or 2 in the Majors, and his stuff doesn’t play in relief as well as some harder throwers
i read that to say that if he does have to go to the pen he doesnt profile well there because of a lack of a true “out” pitch?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 26, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
yup
sounds like he may get by as a back end rotation guy b/c he didnt see any of his 4 pitches being plus plus out pitches and if he’s in the pen, he wont use his 4 pitches anyway. so in short, if your looking for an arm with high upside, take the prepster with plus bigtime FB and slider or whatever his offspeed is and go for developing him b/c at least if he doesnt develop you still have a guy who can get outs in the pen with his one great pitch
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Also...
It’s kind of a miracle that the arms of Berry and Ojala are still attached to their respective bodies. If they go back to Rice for another year, they will just to further damage.
by NoNameOnCard on May 26, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Anybody willing to post KLaw's Ranger pick from his mock?
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
sure
14. Texas Rangers
Shelby Miller, rhp, Brownwood HS, Brownwood, Tex.: They’re also on Williams and Fuentes, but Nolan Ryan apparently loved what he saw of Miller, and really, can you ever have enough arms in Texas?
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
williams and fuentes?
any1 have any details on these guys, i havent seen them in a bunch of mocks, or maybe i reading the wrong mocks. who knows, but i havent heard a word on them
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Everett Williams and Reymond Fuentes.
Both are in the rising section of my draft stock update for prep outfielders. I think Fuentes is way too high for that slot, but Williams isn’t out of the question. There are some writeups on there. Williams is a powerful little guy, though calling him a little guy does his athleticism and build. He’s just on the short side. Fuentes is an ultra-toolsy Puerto Rican who is good at everything except throwing. Pure center fielder. I’m definitely not in favor of him at #14.
turley
sitting at 87-88 last start if anyone cares
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
holland flag
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
look at the wack
“weird” poster —> next to it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
new worst nickname ever
“the dutch oven”
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
i swear
dude whose taking double play dino to the game on fri better win the damn fan of the gam
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
in other news
i am blacked out of the nationals game…even though they are playing in new york….
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
wow
wrong thread big time
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
lol
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 27, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL. That was a rather amusing series of posts.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 27, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
yea lol
i was wondering why no new posts were appearing, thought my comp was going batty lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 28, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Here a question for you guys
If Tate slips to Texas, do we take him? I know its a huge IF, but it is a scenario that could pan out.
no thank you
id rather have purke, miller, leake, etc over tate
wants too much
too raw
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 28, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
KOK curious your thoughts on purke
is it worth draft a guy like that who you know your gonna have to rework his windup totally before you send him in SS A ball (which could take a while)? I get nervous about that b/c im not confident that reworking his windup doesnt risk loss of velocity, now he’s lefty so super high velocity isnt crucial, and i have heard people say he was the best lefty to come out of south texas since kazmir, but all this kinda makes me nervous.
im hoping turner slides, but what are your thoughts on purke?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
i just dont like tate a lot if he wants as much as he has said + he is pretty raw + i think that if he doesnt get his money hes going to go to college
i think theres a zero chance turner slides (i like him a lot) but i think theres a few lines that can be drawn btwn purke and beaven regarding re-working his windup
but tate and purke are kind of in the same boat, i shouldnt have indluced him with miller/leake so thats my bad… both of them need some work and both want pretty huge signing bonuses and now that MLB dropped slot bonus by 10%….the fact that purke wont sign until late (boras guy) and that tate wants a ton of money (dont think he is a boras guy) just makes me not so hot on either of them
in reality id love for us to get someone like turner at 14 but i just dont see him falling that far…id be more than happy with either leake or miller or one of the other “top guys” that falls (i think at least one - maybe other than tate- falls)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 28, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Shelby Miller
will be pitching in Mineral Wells on Saturday at 2:00.
I hope some of you in the DFW area will go out and watch him for the rest of us.
Any1 read that Heathcott was seen as one of the highest upside bats in the draft by
Klaw or KG forgot which one…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
id believe it
for what its worth hes probably going to throw in their current series vs rockwall heath…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 29, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Slade Heathcott
According to Klaw the Yankees have been scouting Heathcott hard with the scouting director and two yankee executives. He has also been heavily scouted by the Diamondbacks and Phillies.
By the way Josh Turley just threw a complete game two hitter in 12-0 win. Heathcott also hit a homer in this game.
this
evidently he hit a true monster HR
turley looked good (again – as usual)
the yankees are also in on trevor peterson – the #2 or #3 east texas arm
heathcott is probably going to return to the mound before the season is over…his speed is back…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 29, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i assume if he drops its b/c sum1 steals miller or one of the prep arms at which point id be pretty bummed
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
the effect of the conf tournaments is somewhat overrated imho
i really doubt he falls to us but if he does it could be an interesting option at 14
while everyone would love for a “top guy” to fall to us…i really think we get our pick of guys like miller, purke, etc — i dont think that leake comes down to us (but id love it if he did) and even if we did and it was miller vs leake im not sure that or if we would take leake in that scanario
i think that if it comes down to white vs miller i have no idea what we would rather do
andy — are you going to still do a “live” chat kind of thing for the draft? what are or is the chances of you maybe doing it on here or in conjunction with LSB? minorleagueball?
i think that if you had a live chat and posted it on here and on minorelagueball, BTB and such you could get a pretty good group together…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 30, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what you mean.
He was pitching in a high profile game with many scouts & scouting directors in attendance and got skull-fucked by Virginia. Of course it’s going to affect his draft stock.
I don’t think he’s going to fall to 14, but his stock as of right now is down.
He wasn't pretty today, either.
Got beaten around by Coastal Carolina. UNC still won, but his stock is definitely down. I favor him over Shelby Miller, though.
by Andy Seiler on May 31, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Shelby Miller
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
also
maybe time for (another) draft thread??
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
Mike Leake
is good
Arizona State
IP H R ER BB SO AB BF
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Leake, Mike……… 9.0 5 1 1 2 15 31 33
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
from a jonathan mayo MLB Draft chat
conch9: Where do you project Leake to go?
Mayo: I’m a big Mike Leake fan, and not just because he’s blogging for us leading up to the Draft. I appreciate guys who just go out and perform, and do so in a big program against top competition. He’s not the biggest guy in the world, but so what? He knows how to pitch and was outstanding all year hits season. He’s the kind of guy who might not be Option A for a lot of teams, but you can be sure he enters into conversations from about pick No. 6 on down. I can’t imagine him getting past about No. 20.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
Trivia
Shelby Miller is from Brownwood, Texas. More known for football with Gordon Wood.
however, they have had a #1 draft pick before. he ended up being a Texas Ranger later in his career. Name him. no cheating.
New Mock Draft Up.
I have us taking Shelby Miller, Reymond Fuentes, Slade Heathcott, and James Jones with our first four picks.
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