Jake Peavy rumored to have been traded to White Sox
by alon91 on May 21, 2009 9:53 AM CDT
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Not much info here yet, but you can read more at:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/05/peavy-to-white-sox.html
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9:19am: Jon Heyman says the White Sox and Padres have agreed to a Peavy trade, and await Peavy's approval. MLB.com's Corey Brock agrees. Ken Williams, always operating under the radar. Now we get to see just how much Peavy hates the AL.
...It is apparently a four-player offer, which would presumably gut Chicago's farm system.
...The Padres need pitching and a shortstop. The White Sox's top pitching prospect is Aaron Poreda and top overall prospect is shortstop Gordon Beckham.
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So Peavy now needs to give his a-okay on this trade. Wonder who would be going the other way and what the Ranger equivalent would be (and yes -- he'd probably be even less likely to agree to a trade here than to Chicago). I shudder to think of trading Feliz, Holland, etc (I assume Elvis is off the table at this point) but Peavy is obviously very legit.
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It has to be plus
a guy like Flowers and/or Jordan Danks.
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 21, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, they mentioned 4
I’d be shocked if the package was Beckham, Poreda, Danks & Flowers though. The Sox would be giving up their top 4 prospects.
by LiamP on May 21, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this too much?
Beckham, Poreda, Danks or Flowers+ Dexter Carter.
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 21, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or just
Beckham, Poreda and Dexter Carter maybe.
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 21, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THis sounds more realistic
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 21, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They recently traded for Flowers didn't they?
I just have to imagine that Beck and Poreda are part of it.
by groundingout on May 21, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted it below
sorry to repost, but Gammons says Beckham is not in the deal
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 21, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
beckham cant be traded yet i dont think
unless hes a PTNBL but im not sure when he signed…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox are the anti-Rangers
with defense making their pitching look worse.
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by t ball on May 21, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And run support, too
Holy crap, I just saw the Sox are last in runs scored. So Peavy is thinking about going to a hitter’s park with a bad defense and poor run support. Enjoy.
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by t ball on May 21, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's going to be interesting thats for sure
assuming peavy agrees
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 21, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This better be a huge package
or I’ll be pissed.
by Sherman McCoy on May 21, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Peavy already said he wasn’t coming here.
The CJ hate is getting old.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
"The NFL made me undergo a psychiatric evaluation......Please. It was an accident. If I wanted to post a picture of my penis I wouldn't have been all hunched over."- Chris Cooley.
by sprite on May 21, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thin he might rethink that
NOw that the team seems to be putting it together in a weak AL West. He could come here and contend every year until his contract runs out in 13.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 21, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd win more here
than in Chicago for the reasons I stated above.
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by t ball on May 21, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it has as much to do with the team winning as you think it does.
by LiamP on May 21, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if that is the case I don't want him
If he is just going some where to collect a check and worry about his own numbers I don’t want him.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 21, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
I’m not sure why you’d begrudge a guy for invoking a no-trade to avoid going to a less than ideal pitching environment.
Also, the list of teams that he’d be willing to go to is pretty much stacked with perennial contenders in the NL. One of the few AL teams he noted was the Red Sox. It’s not like he doesn’t want to win.
by LiamP on May 21, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you just said
I don’t tink it has as much to do with the team winning as you think it does. On to Boston that is a hitters park for the most part. But to be honest if a dude can pitch he can pitch anywhere. Look at what they did down in Atlanta in that shooting gallery for 15 years. And last time I checked the White Sox park is more of a hitter park than our is.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 21, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I don't think he was changing his mind
he’s staying away from Texas no matter what trade or dollars are thrown his way
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 21, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the recent success of the Rangers and their pitchers (very recent)
I wonder if Peavy would rather have gone to the Rangers
by groundingout on May 21, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he can still turn down the deal
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 21, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious as to what the package is so we can start
trying to put together an equal package from our farm.
by groundingout on May 21, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gammons
says Beckham is not part of the deal
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 21, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, well done for Chicago though
Rumor has it Poreda is in the deal though
by groundingout on May 21, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two players believed to be in deal are left-handers Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda.
The CJ hate is getting old.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
"The NFL made me undergo a psychiatric evaluation......Please. It was an accident. If I wanted to post a picture of my penis I wouldn't have been all hunched over."- Chris Cooley.
by sprite on May 21, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who does
Poreda ans Richard compare to in the Rangers org?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 21, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my first thought was Feliz and Harrison
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by willamos2 on May 21, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first thought is that Feliz and Harrison would be significantly more than Poreda and Richard.
by tyd3311 on May 21, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz>>>Poreda, Harrison>>Richard
I’m not big on Richard at all.
by groundingout on May 21, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
richards
someone at BP (KG?) said that he was not the answer to their prayers — was a 4 or 5 guy MAYBE
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Peroda and Harrison might be in the same ballpark, but Harrison is much farther down the developmental path.
Richard is maybe something like Koronka but with a bit better control.
The Rangers can certainly beat it if Peavy OK with the AL.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on May 21, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams
I don’t get this move from his perspective.
He traded Javier Vazquez for prospects in an apparent move to strengthen the farm system this offseason. Then he watches his team fall to 5 games under .500, 4th place in his division, and decides to switch course and go all in for this season.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 21, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
See I don't get it either
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 21, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He called out Vasquez last year and he didn't respond.
So he’s now replaced him.
by tyd3311 on May 21, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a douche
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 21, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not sure who the bigger douche is
williams or ozzie
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 21, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that vasquez >> contreras
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he could have traded Contreras, he probably would have.
by tyd3311 on May 21, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good pcint
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He traded Swish and Vasquez to clear salary and to get rid of guys he (and/or Ozzie) didn't like.
Those were salary dumps.
I don’t think farm strengthening was what those deals were about at all.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
strange deal
i think kenny just sees a weak AL central and decided to go for it. they’ll still need to add a few more peripheral pieces if they want to do anything more than make a run within their division.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 21, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Long term
might be really gutting their pitching depth in the system.
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by t ball on May 21, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, with Peavy and Danks at the top
he’s got four years to get it sorted out.
by Sherman McCoy on May 21, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's leaving a lot to chance
one injury would make that a lot less attractive. I think he might be better off getting new position players that hit and glove better.
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by t ball on May 21, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any guarantee Danks isn't in the deal himself?
If Poreda and Richard are 2 of the 4 and Beckham’s not in the deal, at least one of the last two has to be a pretty big piece.
by LiamP on May 21, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poreda's essentially a 1 pitch guy
He seems destined for the pen IMO. He shouldn’t be the centerpiece of a trade like this.
That being said, it’s probably not Danks.
by LiamP on May 21, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could always get Jenks
Then flip him at the deadline for some better prospects than Chicago can offer.
by tyd3311 on May 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they are trading poreda -- they are selling waaaaaay high on him
if hes the center piece of this deal
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
floyd just signed an extention
fwiw
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't make any sense to trade Danks for Peavy
But who knows, Williams is a little crazy.
If there are two names not mentioned yet, it is reasonable to suspect that they’re on the big league roster. No reason to spill those names until
If I’m San Diego, I don’t trade Peavy unless I get two prospects and two major league caliber players. Mostly because San Diego has about 10 major league caliber players on their 25 man roster right now.
PhD
by JBImaknee on May 21, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poreda + Richard + Floyd + someone like Broadway or Thornton
PhD
by JBImaknee on May 21, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan Danks?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can he be traded either?
or still as a PTNBL
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone drafted last year would have to be a PTBNL.
Can’t be traded until a full year after you sign.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe John Danks is part of the deal and then his arm will fall off in his first start for the Padres.
He has a knack for doing deals like that… see McCarthy, Brandon.
by Inkara1 on May 21, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically the Padres do that too
see Eaton, Adam. Or even Hoffman, Trevor
PhD
by JBImaknee on May 21, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be funny if Danks is part of the deal and both Danks AND Peavy get hurt immediately?
by Inkara1 on May 21, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if it'd be funny
but I’d find it ever-so-slightly morbidly amusing
PhD
by JBImaknee on May 21, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you'd be surprised what a big hindrance that contract + his no trade clause are in trying to swing a deal like this.
That’s a ton of money for a guy who’s played his entire career in the best pitcher’s park in the weaker hitter’s league, has some pretty scary arm history, plus he’s owed a shit-ton of money.
He’s not gonna command a huge haul in this MLB economy, imo.
I thought they’d get Poreda + Beckham, but no way do they get John Danks no matter what.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since San Diego has been spamming the league and networks
with statements making it very, very clear that they desperately want to trade Peavy, I find it hard to believe that they have any leverage at all.
This is similar to the Rangers with Soriano a few years ago – great player, fine, whatever – you have to trade him, we’ll give you a league average outfielder whose best similarity match is Ben Grieve – you interested or not?
I think San Diego views any deal that gets Peavy’s contract off the books a win. They just need to get some players back to tell their fans that they tried. If they get one blue chip prospect back and a couple of guys who’ll go on their current roster, they’ll be happy
PhD
by JBImaknee on May 21, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the fact Peavy's not nearly as good as some people tend to think and he's expensive as golden butt cheese sprinkeld with diamond dust.
Yah, the more I look at Peavy, the more I’m happy we stayed out of this, even if the cost in terms of prospects was as low for us as it ended up being for the ChiSox.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is Peavy not as good as some people think
I’d say he’s an ace.
Positive groundball ratio. 9 k and 3bb per 9 over his career. What’s not to like about his performance?
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 21, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im waiting for DA Tron's response to this
but if you do a search it was extensively talked about in the offseason
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stolen shamelessly from fangraphs.
Peavy has the statistics and reputation of being one of baseball’s premier pitchers, but when you strip away Petco Park and the National League, he’s more of a good pitcher than a great one.
For his career, Peavy has a 3.73 K/BB rate at Petco, and he’s allowed one home run every 56.3 plate appearances while pitching at home. On the road, his K/BB is 2.54, and he allows one home run every 30.8 plate appearances. The vast expanse of the outfield in San Diego not only turns long fly balls into outs, but it allows Peavy to be more aggressive with his pitch selection and challenge hitters with pitches he can’t get away with in stadiums that aren’t as forgiving. Away from Petco, hitters have put up a .245/.316/.419 line against him, which certainly isn’t bad, but also isn’t ace-like.
He’s good, but Petco makes him look like he’s in the Johan/Halladay class of aces, when in reality I (and others, apparently) don’t think he is.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
But I don’t think it is necessarily fair to discount his performance just because he has a pitcher friendly home park. Those away splits listed in that article are still reflective of good pitching.
I’ll put it this way, in the AL I’d consider Halladay and CC to be clearly better than him and then a group of about 4-5 others that are roughly equivalent. Would you agree that he would be a top 10 pitcher in the AL?
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 21, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's perfectly fair to discount performance based on home parks.
It’s why no one wanted Hawpe and Atkins when the Rockies put ’em on the market this winter.
And I think he’s probably a top ten AL guy. Certainly he’s in that second tier.
I’d put the Grink in that top tier with Roy and CC.
He’s certainly in the discussion with F-Her, Bedard, Lackey, E-Sant, Lester, Beckett, Kazmir, Shields, Garza, Liriano, CLee, etc, etc.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the same reason why Kinsler is being discounted some now
because of his splits
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 21, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which seems silly to me
look at his splits last year.
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by t ball on May 21, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I know
but it’s the same concept. Peavy’s pitching numbers get discounted because he plays in a pitchers’ park. Kinsler’s get discounted because he plays in a hitters’ park. I don’t see why some people aren’t understanding that.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 21, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Slowey and Baker and Verlander and Weaver and Joba and Burnett and Price and more.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
top 10
Oops, forgot about the Grink, who clearly belongs atop the heap as of right now. But I’d definetly take Peavy over anyone in that second group. So he’s a top 5 guy in the AL, that’s pretty damn good.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 21, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe not King Felix
After thinking about it a bit, I’d rank Peavy behind Grink, CC, Halladay, and Felix. 5th in the AL.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 21, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 according to you.
I’d take F-her over him in a second, and a fully healthy Beckett and Bedard, too. (Though those are big ifs right now.)
Lackey, Ervin, Kazmir and Lester are all injury concerns right now, but fully healthy they’d all be close.
Joba, Price and Liriano probably long term, though probably not this season.
Maybe Garza.
Probably Shields.
Cliff Lee.
Verlander.
So, yah. He’s probably top ten right now.
But that doesn’t mean he’s the world beating ace his rep (and ERA) makes him out to be.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not you but others
Seem to have a dismissive attitude towards Peavy just because he pitches in San Diego, so he’s probably not really any good. I don’t like it when people have that attitude towards Texas hitters, so to be fair, I don’t like a similiar cursury dismissing of San Diego pitchers.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 21, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you're saying.
He’s good.
But some look at the raw numbers and presume him to be great.
I think he’s closer to good than great.
He’d be our best pitcher by far, imo, and I’d love to have him if the price weren’t astronomical and he’d come here, if that’s what you’re asking.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
Peavy has a tendency to get his shit packed in occasionally.
by cmkelly29 on May 21, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need a strong defensive CF'er and they need some of their bats to pick it up.
Burly, Peavy, Danks with Jenks and a good setup core is pretty nice.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Peavy's contract situation?
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on May 21, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jake Peavy rhp
4 years/$14.5M (2005-08), plus 2009 club option
3 years/$52M (2010-2012), plus 2013 club option
* 3 years/$52M (2010-12), plus 2013 club option
o signed extension with San Diego 12/12/07
o 10:$15M, 11:$16M, 12:$17M, 13:$22M club option ($4M buyout)
o full no-trade clause for 2010, may block trades to 14 clubs in 2011 and 8 clubs in 2012 (also earns 10-and-5 rights in 2012)
o award bonuses: $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M each for MVP or Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd); $50,000 for All Star starter; $25,000 for All Star selection; $50,000 each for LCS MVP, Gold Glove
* 4 years/$14.5M (2005-08), plus 2009 club option
o signed extension with San Diego 2/05 (avoided arbitration)
o 05:$0.75M, 06:$2.5M, 07:$4.75M, 08:$6M, 09:$8M club option ($0.5M buyout)
o full no-trade clause 2008-09
o 2008 salary increases to $6.5M with 600 IP 2005-07
o 2009 salary increases to $9M with 600 IP in 2006-08, with 200 IP in 2008
o 2009 salary increases by $0.5M with each top 3 finish in Cy Young vote in 2006-08, with top salary of $11M
o 2009 salary increases to $11M with Cy Young during 2005-07
o $0.5M assignment bonus if traded
o award bonuses: $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M each for MVP or Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd); $50,000 for All Star starter; $25,000 for All Star selection; $50,000 each for LCS MVP, Gold Glove or Rolaids award ($25,000 for 2nd in Rolaids rankings)
* 1 year/$0.35M (2004)
o re-signed by San Diego 3/04
* 1 year/$0.305M (2003)
o re-signed by San Diego 3/03
* 1 year/$0.2M (2002)
o contract purchased by San Diego 6/02
* drafted 1999 (15-472) (St. Paul’s Episcopal, Mobile, Ala.)
* agent: Barry Axelrod
* ML service: 6.101
by Sherman McCoy on May 21, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Petco to US Cellular + no P spot in the lineup
His #’s will certainly take a hit.
by cmkelly29 on May 21, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thought the same thing.
0.74 career GB/FB ratio doesn’t necessarily translate to success in the Cell, though this year, it’s been sixth-best pitcher’s park in terms of keeping the ball in the yard.
It helps that the White Sox rank 19th in homers this season, but they’ve also been the fifth-best pitching staff as far as preventing homers.
And the more I delve into the numbers, I see that the White Sox have a team 0.89 GB/FB ratio. So, the staff did just get more fly-ball friendly, and likely more homer-friendly.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on May 21, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
check your stats
Peavy’s career GB/FB ratio is 1.08 according to fangraphs.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 21, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Sky on Twitter.
BtB_Sky3.25 Marcel ERA for Peavy. +8% for ballpark. +.50 runs for moving to AL. = 4.25ish ERA. Weighted tRA says 3.75. 200IP, 4.00 ERA=3.8 WAR
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Peavy is going to demand a raise to waive his no-trade clause.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on May 21, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine that's true.
He’ll prolly demand that huge balloon option for ’13 gets picked up, though.
Cause, why wouldn’t he?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR is saying he is leaning against accepting
what is the Padres (or White Sox) incentive for discussing the deal in the media before Peavy accepts it? That only alienates the Padres fan base more – not only is the team trying to trade their best pitcher, but they keep bungling it and can’t do it well. It further decreases his trade value – every time he rejects a trade, it becomes more obvious that he’ll only accept a deal to the Cubs, Braves, or Astros.
What a disaster. The Padres are such a horribly run team.
PhD
by JBImaknee on May 21, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They never should have extended him.
They didn’t have enough other pieces in place. Adrian Gonzalez, Chris Young, who else?
Instead of extending him with this HUGE deal, they should have traded him. Now, they’ve got a seemingly unhappy pitcher who makes ridiculous money and has absurd no-trade power.
by NoNameOnCard on May 21, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they figured
they could keep raping the Rangers out of the other pieces they needed.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 21, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way a deal like this with so many moving parts can be kept secret.
I mean, once you’re forced to go to the player for his approval and he starts calling his old teammates… how exactly is that the Padres’ fault?
I mean, obviously the Padres would prefer it stay secret until a deal is finally consummated, but they did a pretty good job of keeping these negotiations secret up until the point when they had to break secrecy and take it to Peavy, didn’t they?
Plus, who knows. Maybe getting it out there that they’re serious about moving him now might shake some other teams into action or something.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the hold up may
be with the CHW picking up Peavy’s 22M option in
# 3 years/$52M (2010-12), plus 2013 club option 2013
* signed extension with San Diego 12/12/07
* 10:$15M, 11:$16M, 12:$17M, 13:$22M club option ($4M buyout)
* full no-trade clause for 2010, may block trades to 14 clubs in 2011 and 8 clubs in 2012 (also earns 10-and-5 rights in 2012)
* award bonuses: $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M each for MVP or Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd); $50,000 for All Star starter; $25,000 for All Star selection; $50,000 each for LCS MVP, Gold Glove
by laxtonto on May 21, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if flowers is in the deal (gives them a “catcher of the future”)
something like poreda (again, selling high on a guy — wow), flowers (catcher of the future), ??? (if danks is going to stay in CF it could be him) and a back of the rotation guy (broadway?) could be an interesting deal
now as for what we would have that is somewhat comparable — idk if we have someone thats pretty highly regarded but acrtually not that good as a pitcher
so something like kiker/poveda (back of the rotation guy — broadway), catcher (guy at AA? name escapes me - for flores), player who is good in CF (danks > boggs, beltre? golson?) + a pitchers as a centerpece (beavan? boscan? main?)
not a chance in hell i would do that — the lowest end is something like kiker/pina/golson/beavan + 22 million (which they wouldnt take)
so say poveda, pina, golson/boggs/borbon, main + 22 million option for peavy? — i still wouldnt do that either
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
flwrz iz-ant a cacherr lng-trm, imo, lolzerz
pls, d roomerz r yoon-an-uh-muss dat d hall iz en-tire-lee pitch ing, sew no flowerrz 4 saint dee-a-go, lolzerz.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok D.A. Tron please don't do that anymore.....please
My eyes hurt something awful. Thank you.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 21, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my lack of using capital letters annoys the hell out ofhim
i have yet to see why
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bee cuz it mayx it un plezent 2 reed and iz n ez ficks.
u ownlee doo it cuz u donut caire if u looock dum and unoi meee, butt i do caire and hav axt u nise-lee maney timez 2 plz seece and dee-cyst butt u re-fews cuz u hate d ing-lish lang u age.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
got news for you
ive been doing it for a long time, and there are much more annoying people on LSB you could be tormenting
but thats ok…you have access to the troll script, if it annoys you that much just add me to the troll script list and your good to go
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i donut bee leave n yousing d trole scriptz
and yez der iz moar uh noying peeplez ahn d bored, but dey r Jen-u enly rhee tardz whereas u kood ez-lee right lihk a nrml prsn ff u wntd 2 but u donut cuz u hahte d englsh lang u udge.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats funny
is that you probably put more effort into these “making fun of” messages – its actually somewhat humorous, mostly because i dont even try to read more than the title
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
u shood reed dem, lolzerz
dey r d besst, lolzerz
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More evidence of the Padres front office stupidity
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/05/mariners-padres-discuss-betancourt.html
Betancourt? His fielding is getting worse every day and he’s always been a mediocre hitter. If the M’s get Antonelli for him, I’ll be angry.
PhD
by JBImaknee on May 21, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Padres deal
Heard from one of my buddies at Fanball that the Pads just traded Jody Gerut to Milwaukee for Tony Gwynn Jr.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 21, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I fully get this move by KW.
He’s gonna go hard after an extension for Danks, now. How would you like to have your rotation set with Peavy, Danks, and Floyd through 2012, assuming he extends Danks. That’s a nice collection of young guys in on the good side of their prime years. Plus they have Buerhle through 2011. The can focus on rebuilding their offense in the FA market this offseason with Dye and Thome moving on.
I’ve been pushing for a Rangers’ trade for Danks. Bowl KW over with a big offer of young replacements for Thome and Dye was my only argument for why Chicago might go for it. There is no chance that could happen if this deal goes through, if there was even an inkling of a chance before it. Even if Danks doesn’t want to extend in Chicago, now he won’t be traded until much closer to his final arb year, because that starting 4 gives them way to much cost control and value to consider moving Danks and filling in from the FA market.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on May 21, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Peavy is sitting in the Padres clubhouse
Watching the Twins killing the White Sox 20-1 thinking he could get the same run support in San Deigo.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 21, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woudl you rather have danks
than josh johnson?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy I would take Johnson
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 21, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per MLBN
Heyman says Peavy has nixed the deal.
by tyd3311 on May 21, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who here thought he would accept it?
I didn’t.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 21, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really surprising
Its not like Chicago is a lock to go to the playoffs. Might as well keep padding stats in a pitchers park and a pitchers league until you can get a really good situation.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 21, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any idea if the chi sox said they would pick up the 22 mil guaranteed?
i still thik that if he was guaranteed to pick it up he would takea deal….
its not like hes going to get demoted to minors a la contreras or DFAed — hes still going to get paid
that said, i dont blame him for not wanting to leave SD either….
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 21, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nohe werd dat i haz herd sohe fahrr
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
by thedirkatron on May 21, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, tron
I like the campaign.
Language is all we’ve got…
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on May 22, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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