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by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:26 PM CDT
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PrintTerrific debut by Derek Holland, better than 3 runs, 5 2/3 IP indicates.
And I'm rapidly becoming irrational when it comes to Elvis Andrus.
That said, this is what this team reminds me of:
Because with this team, it ain't easy. It is never easy.
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Well
Let’s say we are in a race in August.
And our bullpen has Frankie closing, C.J. as the 8th inning lefty, Jennings and O’Day in a middle relief role, and Feliz and Holland as 2 inning shutdown guys.
I’d feel okay about that pen.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more. Any chance that could really happen though?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You really think Feliz will called up after AS game?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
I’ll be surprised if he’s not up by 8/1.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Man that would be amazing to see
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it could be sooner than that
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 22, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Oday really?
That guy has been awesome so far
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'd like to see that
My fear is that Feliz and Holland get forced into the rotation and we’re left with just CJ, O’Day, Jennings, and Frankie to have to be perfect each time out.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I don't know about that
The five guys that are in there now have been healthy. Padilla’s thing is pretty minor.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Except that Holland is likely in the rotation at that point.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I don't know about "likely"
Possible, yeah…but I don’t think it is a slam dunk.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
They want to limit his innings, and Padilla is going to be back in like 10 days.
There’s not an obvious guy in the rotation who sucks so badly you need to move him out.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
One of McCarthy, Feldman, or Harrison will not pitch well enough to keep Holland out.
Or one of the 5 will be injured long enough for Holland to take a spot and never give it back.
Holland is definitely for real
I really don’t see right now how anyone could still be doubting his quick ascent. Andrus rocks.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
FIRST PLACE MOTHA EFFIN RANGERS!!!!
Just for OC
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Elvis
saved this game.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on May 22, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions
And has numerous times this year.
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
i swear that guy gets 100 outs this year that FFace never would have
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Watching Tejada vs. Elvis out there tonight
Reminded me just how much of a difference it really is. Elvis is something special.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
Eric Nadel commented on that, how striking the difference was
It kind of makes you shudder to think that we were watching that caliber of range last year too.
by Brett Perryman on May 22, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And that we had people insisting that our 2008 shortstop's range wasn't that bad
And that we had baseball people saying that he was the best defensive SS in the A.L. last year.
And that we had baseball writers in D/FW saying he shouldn’t have to change positions.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
yup im sipping unlimited supplies of hot sweet "i told ya so" i've been saving up for 3+ seasons
tastes like ambrosia
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Also
when I’ve watched games this season with other people, I’ve taken to declaring how I love it when our SS makes plays that their could never touch. Seems like I’ve been able to do that pretty much every series.
by Brett Perryman on May 22, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome back Frankie and welcome to the starting rotation Holland!!!
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Who would have thought
That halfway to the All Star game, the Rangers are on pace to have two pitchers easily make it.
Frankie and Millwood
I would guess
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Kris Benson and Eddie Guardado
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
Close
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Millwood and Frankie?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't think he is one of the best so far this year?
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
No
8th in the A.L. in ERA and only 4 wins isn’t going to get it done.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The decision makers
will like the IP thing though. If he can tack on some more wins and stay in the top 10 in ERA, he has a shot.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I doubt it
The other thing is that every team has to have a representative.
Frankie and Ian will make it from the Rangers, most likely. There’s a good chance Hamilton makes it, and possibly Michael Young.
You aren’t going to have five guys from the Rangers, unless all five are dominant. Right now, Greinke, Buehrle and Lee could be the only players from their respective teams. Halladay is going to make it. You’ve got Saunders and Weaver putting up good numbers. King Felix and Bedard are going to get consideration.
It is hard to make it as a SP.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Ian has to come out of his slump first
If the decision was made today, Not sure Ian would be in there.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Ian
He has a 939 OPS on the season. He’s been the best second baseman in the A.L. this season. I think Rangers fans are focusing so much on his recent struggles they are overlooking how good he’s been overall.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Aaron Hill...
Actually hits the ball when they aren’t in Toronto…
He’s been better than Kinsler this year…
Well
If you factor in defense, Kinsler has been better.
But regardless, Kinsler has the fact that he’s more highly regarded than Hill anyway, and I think that will weigh in his favor.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinsler on the season
has the highest WAR for any second baseman (including the NL and Chase Utley). He’s got a solid lead on Hill thanks to his amazing defense.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Actually, looking at their stats
I’m not sure how Hill has been the better offensive player. Kinsler has the slight edge in OPS and wOBA though his OPS+ is 2 points lower. Still, Kinsler has 10 SBs to 1 CS on the season while Hill has only 2 SBs to 1 CS. So really, Kinsler on the season has been better on offense and much, much better on defense (like not even close)
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
+1
Although he is 1 for his last 4 games now. That’s a little irksome, but he should heat back up before long.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
As below, I think Ian will improve
But based on where his numbers are now, I don’t think he would make it. Yes, he will overcome the recent stuggles.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Where his numbers are now?
His numbers now are the best of any 2B in the A.L.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Hill and Pedroia
Although you like OPS, I like OPS, most voters don’t value it as much.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
What numbers are you looking at that say Hill and Pedroia are better?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
MLB '09 The Show
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Pedroia is batting .323, 35 points better than Kinsler.
Kinsler is at .287.
Again, this will change.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Batting average isn't the be-all, end-all for the folks who pick the all star reserves
Besides, Pedroia is going to be voted in as the starter, so that is moot.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinsler almost came back to beat Dustin last year...
He only needed more time.
He shouldn’t have as big a deficit to start this year, he could win, if he gets super hot again.
And if Ian gets voted in...
…it is moot.
Really, it is Kinsler v. Cano and Hill.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The average fan isn't going to look at anything but the main stats though
So, with today’s numbers, I say Pedroia would be voted in, and Hill would be the reserve. No way would they leave out him with his current BA.
But it’s not today, Hill won’t keep it the average up.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
pedroia doesnt deserve to sniff the asg this year
just look at the numbers hill,kinsler and cano have and look at pedroia.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Bedard and Felix
No way they make it. Bedard just isn’t going to maintain that low of an ERA and won’t have the wins. Felix has the Ks, but probably won’t have the ERA. Plus they’ll have Ichiro make it as their rep.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I agree, lots of things will change
But I am using their performance 1/2 way through to the All Star game, not their anticipated performance for the entire first 1/2 of the season.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
At this point, I think he would make it
Best starting pitcher on the 1st place team pitching in a decidedly hitter’s friendly park 1/2 the time. Near the top of the league in innings pitched, too.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Being the best SP on a first place team doesn't mean that much, I don't think
Let’s say they take 6 or 7 starters.
You have to pick them from:
Greinke
Weaver
Saunders
Lee
Bedard
Halladay
King Felix
Buehrle
Jackson
Verlander
Shields
Sabathia
Millwood
You really think Millwood is better than enough of those guys to make the cut?
Particularly given that there are several other Rangers who will likely make the team?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
No but yes
Do I think Millwood is overall better than enough of those guys? No
Do I think Millwood is better in 2009 than enoug of those guys? Yes
With the stats as they are right now, only one fielder would make it.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
About half of those guys won't make it
Knowing the stats they like to look at when picking the pitchers, do you think that Millwood doesn’t have a good chance to make it? I don’t think its any type of a guarantee, but if he keeps doing this 7 innings, 2/3 ER thing and the offense can start hitting for him, I think he’ll make it.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I think it is more likely than not...
…that Millwood doesn’t make it.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's a part of this group:
Bedard, Felix, Saunders, Weaver, Jackson, Beurhle, Lee, Verlander, and Shields. These are the guys that are on the bubble for the final spots IMO since I think they are the best candidates to either start getting worse or not have the right stats to make the team. Right now, I don’t think Millwood has that much worse of a chance than any of those guys to make the team.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I was thinking more like Teen Wolf
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't watch it.
But it’s fake, believe me. It’s like caring about WWF.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: HOLY SHIT
what a shot by Turkogl.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Turkey Glue
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Pau Gasol?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
dirk and dwade
they both know the drill, your just learning, you’ll know the drill someday too
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
LMAO...
Because the NBA scripted LeBron hitting that buzzer beater?
you guys know how much effort it takes to push a game to OT and still get the right team to win
this shits a science.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Nelson Cruz
The latest player to take Josey Wails words and jam them right back up his ass.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
Listening to Elvis in the post-game show...
It makes me think about what my brother and I used to discuss, in the difference between Pudge and Juan…
Both of them had English as a second language, but Juan would always talk slowly, hesitantly, like he wasn’t sure and wasn’t comfortable speaking in English…
Pudge, on the other hand, talked fast, and not always perfect English, but you could tell what he was saying and he made sense and seemed confident in his ability to communicate.
Elvis talking reminds me of Pudge in that regard.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions
maybe when pudge was 3 years deep in the majors
pudge at 19 never spoke like elvis tonight
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
No he didn't.
I actually talked to the guy once during his second season. He was very hard to understand though he seemed to understand me. I’m not really sure though. Friendly guy, that Pudge.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Pudge v. Elvis
the thing i loved about pudge was how hard he worked to adapt to the texas and american culture as he matured whereas the thing that amazes me most about elvis is how eloquent and how mature he handles himself as some1 age 20.
different signs of maturity but both are very noticeable.
now if we can just get elvis to avoid the 9 foot statue of himself in his backyard, we’re cool.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
If I were Elvis Andrews
I’d have a colossus of myself erected somewhere on I30.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
What a glorious kid that would be
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
first flo now rachel nichols?
thats it, his hot chick radar is fuck’d
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
rachel nichols looks like she got punched in the face
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 22, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Medusa?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
close
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 22, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
for comparison
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 22, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
thats hot, kid
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Im laughing hard right now... that is funny.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by FormerLSBUser on May 22, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
that chicks got purple hair
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
obviously fake ones at least.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Somebody get this man a new pair of beer goggles
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
nice titties and the range of ozzie smith
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Andrus
I have a headache…you kind folks will have to excuse me.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Lebron just won on a buzzer beater
I mean the Cavs just won.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
LEBRON = MONEY!!!
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein
by GhostofSteveFoucault on May 22, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions
HOLY SHIT
HOLY SHIT. Oh My God. Did that just happen? Holy shit!
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Lebron
I don’t believe what I just saw!!!!
LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
by LSBUser on May 22, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions
He is 6'8" and jumps out of the gym
He jumped away from the defender, so fading back… I know a lot about basketball, a lot more than I know about baseball, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing Turko could have done there that he didnt do.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by FormerLSBUser on May 22, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Did they have a foul to give?
Then you basically just foul LeBron if he touches that ball.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
That would have been 2 FTs
And if you foul him before the whistle its either a technical foul or two free throws and the ball back I don’t remember which one
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Even if they had a foul to give, no way
A two point lead, you have these two decisions…
1. Since there is 1 second on the clock, you play tough defense, force the open man away from the basket, try and deny the ball to Lebron and hope that is good enough.
2. Foul whoever gets the ball right off the inbounds and give them two FREE throws to tie the game?
…………………………………..
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by FormerLSBUser on May 22, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
For no. 2, if there is a foul to give
they allow an inbound, they reset and try again. But that’s all moot now. Yeah, I don’t think the Magic could’ve done anything more in that situation they had.
Obviously you don’t foul when you’re in the penalty and up by 2…unless you’re a gambler and think that LeBron’s going to miss one.
Or maybe I’m just having incredible relapses of that Game 3.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
It looks like
I was way off in my assessment of James. I thought he’d be a Malone-type star rather than a Jordan-type star.
He might end up better than either.
As much as I hate to admit it
I think he’s going to be something else.
by behindthebag on May 22, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
there is no way you can convince me that he's as good or better than Jordan
he’s got at least 3 titles to win before that can even be mentioned
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
THE KING!!!
The Modern Day Killer
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 22, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions
When you make a list of the top
AL shortstops, how far down the list is Andrus?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
He's 10 spots better than #1
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
He's playing
at a top 5 level both with the bat and glove.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Bartlett and Scutaro
The only 2 I put ahead of him
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
yeah that's what I was thinking
Crazy that Scutaro has been that good…
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 22, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't wait for that bat to come back down to Earth
So Andrus can take the number 2 spot.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Holland
I haven’t read anything on LSB tongiht. I’m sure someone else noticed, but I wanted to say I thought he looked much more comfortable tonight. I guess it had to do with starting the game. Once that kid starts striking guys out he’s going to be extremely good.
I think he was finally showing signs of fatigue there in the 6th...and perhaps shouldn't have been left in to face Berkman...
so it’s all goooooood!
II Cor. 4:17-18
Not really
I think most would rather face Berkman hitting right-handed, even with the Crawford Boxes.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
Agree
I definitely didn’t feel good when I saw Holland go into that AB, but what else were they going to do? Shame is the two singles before that were hit off real good pitches. Astros did well to hit them. One of the few bad pitches he threw made his line look ugly. In reality the game was a thing of beauty.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Cavaliers fans,
That makes up for the Jordan shot over Ehlo.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on May 22, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions
Nah
That’s like telling me that the Alvin Harper catch in the first 90s NFC Championship game at Candlestick makes up for The Catch by Dwight Clark.
Nothing ever makes up for things like that.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
OK,
makes it hurt a little less, then.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on May 22, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
FUCK BASKETBALL
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Gonna throw this out there
Was thinking of doing a fanpost and might still tomorrow if enough good discussion.
But if Holland pitches another good game next time out and all the starters continue to pitch well do you think the idea of a 6 man rotation would be thrown around? With the summer approaching it would help guys stay fresher I think. Also, and I think this would be at the bottom of the list of reasons, you could limit Millwoods innings a little possibly keeping him from reaching his vesting option.
Mainly I don’t see anyone who should get kicked out of the rotation just yet and Holland looked really good tonight. I wouldn’t mind seeing it hapen if only until you find a trade partner for Padilla or Millwood (most likely Padilla).
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't think so
I think that if he throws great, when Padilla comes back, they pat him on the butt, tell him good job, and tell him to take the pink backpack out to the bullpen until he’s needed in the rotation again.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you agree thats the best use of resources?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
On a short term basis
Probably.
I think you don’t put McCarthy in the bullpen unless you are just ready to give up on him altogether, because I don’t think he’s the type of pitcher who is a good fit pitching out of the pen, and I don’t think anyone else makes sense to drop.
You put him back out there, manage his innings, and wait. Someone will get hurt or suck or something. And if that doesn’t happen, come July, you will probably be able to deal Padilla or possibly Feldman for something good, and promote Holland then.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK good answer
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
deal Padilla or possibly Feldman
Deal Feldman? Those are fighting words to bigsteve.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Depends who we get back
I’ll gladly trade the Feldman wagon in if we get a nice player in return
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Well
If everyone pitches well through July, then you are probably planning on going into next season with a rotation of Millwood, Harrison, Holland, Feliz, and one other pitcher.
A lot of people are already pencilling Sheets in there, which means no room for Feldman or McCarthy.
If Feldman pitches well through July, he’s established himself as a pretty nice young starting pitcher for two years in a row who is cheap and under team control. Teams will be interested in a guy like that.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Teams will be interested in a guy like that
Hopefully the team that already has him. I can’t imagine a reasonably likely scenario in which he’s traded.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea why Newberg said he was under appreciated
I might have to start joining the DMN crowd if JD trades away Feldman this offseason
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Really?
Why?
He’s a nice pitcher. But that’s all he is. You are going to let his presence mean no Feliz in the rotation in 2010, or passing on Ben Sheets?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you that confident in the Rangers fielding a great rotation from top to bottom
that you are going to trade away a great SP who is still cheap and under team control for a while longer?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I don't think Feldman is a great starting pitcher
If I thought he was, I wouldn’t advocate dealing him.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He has a career 4.67 ERA as a starter
His career FIP as a starter is around 5.00.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does everyone else get the benefit of the doubt
when they are rookies? People were crazy to talk about demoting Harrison, but Feldman, in his first year as a starter since being drafted, with mechanics he hasn’t used since being drafted, doesn’t get any rookie leeway? This year, in his second season as a starter, he has 29 IP over 5 starts with a .467 OPS against, a GB/FB ratio of 1.14, and 13 Ks to only 8 BBs with 0 HRs allowed.
I’m not ready to trade that away after this season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
13 Ks and 8 walks in 29 innings as a starter
That’s not good.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Hes not a strikeout pitcher
and 2.5 BB/9 isn’t too shabby
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That's 4 Ks per 9 IP
You aren’t going to sustain a high level of success at that rate.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
Hes not a strikeout pitcher. He keeps the ball down and gets guys to groundout.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Because...
…there are almost no pitchers who have sustained a high level of success while striking out 4 batters per 9.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that mean it can't happen
Tell me what you have seen from Feldman that makes you think he will all of a sudden implode?
What I have seen is last year a guy who switched from a reliever to a starter a month before he was starting in the major leagues and if he had been used correctly, read if he would have been pulled at the right time, he would have been the pitcher with the best numbers on the staff.
Then this year he has a good spring and gets demoted to the pen for a spare. Comes back to the rotation and pitches lights out so far while stretching himself out at the same time. I could care less if he is striking out 4 or 14 a game. All that matters is he is getting people out which he is doing at a great rate this year.
I would love to have 5 Justin Verlanders in my rotation too. But thats not gonna happen.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
So
Almost no pitcher in history has had success striking out just 4 batters per 9, but Scott Feldman is going to establish a new paradigm?
Come on. He’s a nice little pitcher. But he’s limited. He’s a back of the rotation guy. If you can get value for him this offseason, that makes sense.
This is why there have been questions about Chien-Ming Wang’s ability to succeed long-term…and he’s even been able to get his K rate up to 5 per 9 the last couple of seasons.
Guys who don’t strike anyone out aren’t dominant pitchers. They can be LAIEs, which is what it appears Feldman’s ceiling projects as right now, and that has value. But they aren’t top of the rotatoin guys.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Whos saying hes gonna be a TORG?
But since when do the Rangers have 5 TORG that push a guy like Feldman out of the rotation?I know we have a stocked farm but to throw away a guy like Feldman because his K rate is low sounds stupid to me.
And last time I checked Wang was a pretty nice pitcher regardless of his K rate. Unless you are telling me we have 5 guys who are going to put up 200 innings of sub 3.75 ERA on this team.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'm not saying throw away Feldman
I was one of the people screaming a couple of weeks ago about how stupid it was to just throw Feldman on the waiver wire, which is what some folks were wanting to do.
I’m saying that if you can move him in a deal, either as part of a package for an impact pitcher, or in a deal to bring back a couple of solid prospects, you do it, because you’re going to have more starters than you have slots for next season, particularly if you bring in a Sheets or trade for a TORP.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Id almost just as assume pass on Sheets and keep Feldman
Sheets injury history scares the hell out of me. Trading away a guy like Feldman to count on a guy like Sheets isn’t smart. With our offense we can afford the difference between Sheets and Feldman I believe.
Now sure if you are bowled over in trade for Feldman you do it im not saying don’t. But I don’t want to give him away just to give him away because he doesn’t strikeout enough people. With our focus on infield defense he is the perfect type of pitcher for us.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Just as soon
is the phrase I think you’re looking for. It’s not Feldman vs. Sheets in that scenario, though, it’s Feldman vs. Sheets + the trade return.
If you can sign Sheets to a reasonable deal I think you have a pleasant problem on your hands.
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Not if Sheets can only make 10 starts for you
And the return on the trade isn’t ML ready
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I bet by the end of the year he will have changed your mind a little
Numbers can improve with experience. This guy pitched in a relief role since college. He’s far enough along in making the switch that he’s obviously a lot more comfortable starting games. When I see the movement on his pitches I don’t see any reason why he can’t strike out more guys. Maybe by the end of the year he will be.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Pitch to contact
That’s what happens when you pitch to contact. He’s a strike thrower, doesn’t walk many, and doesn’t give up any extra base hits. I can live with him not striking many people out
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
If you only strike out 4 guys per 9...
…you are going to be a back of the rotation starter.
And if Feldman is a back of the rotation starter, it makes sense to move him for a couple of nice prospects this July or offseason rather than bring him back next year.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You assume that he is going to continue to strike out only 4 guys per 9
He throws too many strikes to maintain that low of a strikeout rate.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Why?
If he throws strikes, and they are hittable strikes, he’s not going to strike out a ton of batters.
Let me ask this…what do you think is a reasonable expected 3 year FIP for Feldman, from 2010-12?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen him throw many hittable strikes?
Hitters haven’t been able to make much contact with anything he’s thrown so far. This isn’t the case of him serving them pitches right down the middle.
I could see him posting an FIP somewhere around where he’s at right now. Somewhere in the 4.25-4.50 range which sets him up pretty well to be a league average number 3 starter. Since he’s not a strikeout pitcher and is more of a quality pitch to contact guy, he can also post an ERA that is higher than that (with the help of the defense too).
He’s got a tRA on the season of 3.41 with a tRA+ of 135. That’s been ace quality pitching. Again, I don’t understand why you would defend Harrison so much, but not Feldman.
And that cutter has been great this season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I never defended Harrison that much
And as for Feldman, I doubt he’ll be able to keep his home run rate low enough to sustain a 4.25-4.50 FIP unless he starts striking out more batters.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He hasn't given up a homerun yet this year as a starter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
And only 0.8/9 last year
Which at RBiA isn’t bad
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Sure, it isn't bad
But it also isn’t that great if you are striking out 4.5 guys per 9 and walking 9.
That will end up giving you a FIP north of 5.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
FIP SCHMIP
What are the end results? Sometimes the stupid little saber shit isn’t the almighty. Sometimes a guy just gets people out regardless how sexy it is and what any metric tells you.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Sorry the stupid little saber shit...
…is pissing you off because it indicates Scott Feldman isn’t all that great.
But it is more indicative of future success than what you are talking about.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No im just tired of hearing how a guy doesn't fit into some little image everyone thinks a successful guys has to have
Feldman apparently knows how to pitch and get guys out. Last time I checked that was the goal of starting pitchers. Whether it be via K or a groundout to SS.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That's great
Just like Armando Galarraga last year just knew how to pitch and get guys out.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
That little image everyone thinks of
is the result of breaking down what success has looked like for thousands of pitchers throwing a bazillion innings.
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And it is unlikely that he'll be able to sustain that
Unless he simply never gives up a fly ball, he’s going to allow some homers.
His GB/FB rate this season is just 1.21.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I remember he gets alot of little popups
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
His HR rate
On the season, its at a .76 rate. As a starter, he has yet to give up a HR. I don’t really have much of a problem saying that he’ll be able to keep his HR rate a bit below 1.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
He's allowing a homer on 7% of his FBs
The normal rate is 10-12%.
Why do you think Feldman will be able to sustain a significantly lower rate than that?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Weak contact
Pitchers are able to beat the usual HR/FB ratio. Lincecum has a career 6.2% HR/FB ratio. Is it a guarantee that his past 3 seasons mean nothing and that his HR rate will skyrocket?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Just saying
HR/FB ratio on an individual basis is far from an exact science.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Okay
Feldman’s HR percentage on FBs was 11% last year.
He suddenly figured out this year how to induce weak contact and reduce his HR% on FBs?
Come on.
He’s a nice pitcher. He has value. But the Rangers have enough options in place that, particularly if they add Sheets or trade for a legit TORP, he’s expendable and probably has more value as a trade chip for the Rangers than he does staying here.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Quick question on HR/FB ratio
I’ve always read that its 9-10% as average, but couldn’t find a link that gives the average. Do you have one handy because I don’t remember ever seeing it as high as 12%. I believe that an 11.8% HR/FB ratio is pretty high to begin with.
Anyways, being an improved pitcher like Feldman has been this year means that there’s a good chance he doesn’t give up as many deep fly balls as before. Maybe its the improved cutter that’s doing it. That pitch has been a miracle pitch for other pitchers in the past.
Maybe he has some great value around the league, but I am not comfortable trading a successful starter here unless we get one good return back. Our 1-5 without Feldman isn’t going to be that great where we can’t expect to ever need him. The Rangers don’t have that many options unless you assume everything else goes right. We’ve got Millwood, Sheets (assuming he signs here) coming off a serious injury, Hurley coming off a serious injury, Feliz, Holland, McCarthy, and Harrison. Who else do you think has a good chance at being a league average starter next year? And you are dealing with 3 major injury risks there and 2 guys who will both have probably half a season’s worth of starting experience if that much going into next year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Why do you assume he won't start...
…striking out more batters? Certainly you acknowledge that he’s got pretty good velocity, movement, and control.
Take a step back and look at this guy. For the first time as a professional he started games last year. This year he started out in the bullpen and still hasn’t been completely stretched out. What we’re seeing right now is an incomplete picture.
by Black Francis on May 23, 2009 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions
If he keeps throwing up 6+ innings and >2 ER then yeah
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Okay
Let’s say the Rangers sign Sheets this offseason. What do you think the 2010 rotation should look like?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
okay
So you are planning on no Feliz in the rotation until 2011, when Millwood is gone?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You can trade Millwood if Sheets is healthy
Keep Feliz in the bullpen, trade Millwood midseason. Maybe even trade Millwood before the season starts and keep McCarthy in the rotation.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Millwood, Sheets, Holland, Harrison, Feldman/McCarthy
Feliz in the pen to start. Trade either McCarthy or Feldman whichever you get the biggest return for
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It wasn't in any particular order
Just the order they came to my mind
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
gotcha.
I reacted because I’ve seen several people post something similar any time Sheets is discussed and it leaves me all discombobulated.
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Although if Millwood pitches like this all season and Sheets is coming off injury I wouldn't mind seeing Millwood out there on Opening Day
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Sheets
I don’t see why people are so damn enamored with him. Intrigued I could understand, but I’m about sick and tired of injured players and would rather see the Rangers keep a good young pitcher than bring Sheets in. Yeah I know that will be difficult for a lot of people to process, but that’s definitely what I think.
So no Sheets.
It probably looks something like
Millwood
Holland
Feliz
Feldman
Harrison
Not necessarily in that order.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
you are not alone
Though we are definitely in the minority. I have no problem with Sheets but counting on him seems unrealistic.
if i sign sheets i think about having him in the bullpen
im just not sure he has shown he can hold up in a rotation
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
he has broken down repeatedly
why would you sign a guy who has time after time had his body show it cant hold up to the demands of 200 ip and swear to repeating the cycle and any other consideration is rediculous, really?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Sheets is better than Feldman
That’s why I’d bring him in.
Sheets is a proven TORP.
Feldman is a nice #4 starter.
I’m not advocating giving him away, but if you look at what, say, Joe Blanton brought the A’s, I think Feldman would end up having more value as a trade chip than staying here.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
So, basically...
We have to hold onto him because he’s a great starter and only we realize he’s a great starter.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
As in a 6 man rotation?
Or 6 starters, with one of them sitting out in the bullpen and waiting for someone to get hurt?
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
friggin any1 on earth
we have 7 or 8 “starters” now, you did a story on it today, the sawks still have buchh waiting, the yanks had hughes in the wings, a’s had cahill and anderson in case the world ended waitng.
you know this too, why give this dude a hard time?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
What are you talking about?
First of all, I didn’t do a story about it today.
Secondly, I was asking which of the six specific starters we’ve been discussing would be put in the pen. Not some random name to throw out there.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
so u want a specific name of a pitcher to compete for a rotation spot for the 2010 season?
what is the point of that?
no1 thought chris benson would be here this time last year, there is no way of telling. hell, after his start tonight DFA, Nolasco. Its a an excercise in futility.
i dont get the point.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Sheets is proven to be injured as well
Feldman’s assortment of pitches and improved velocity make me think he may be a little better than a bottom of the rotation type guy. I think he can pitch more innings, too…he just needs to start more. He can certainly be better than Blanton.
Like is said above I’m not averse to them signing Sheets, but I sure as hell wouldn’t just give him a rotation spot. If I had anything to do with it he’d have to earn it. It’s been a long time since he’s pitched and he’s going to have to prove himself.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
By pitching?
How the fuck else? Out of the pen. Spot starting. Maybe if he takes to it you do with him what the Braves did with Smoltz.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay
Then what you are saying is that you aren’t signing Ben Sheets. Because he isn’t going to sign here to pitch long relief and be a spot starter until you decide he’s earned a spot in the rotation. That’s ridiculous. He’ll go sign with someone else who will slot him in their rotation.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
and they will pitch him 150 IP and he will blow out in 18 months
rinse, wash, dry, repeat,
rinse, wash, dry, repeat,
rinse, wash, dry, repeat,
whose he gonna sign with that will compete that he can just stroll into a starting job after a serious injury and not have to prove he is healthy and pitching at his prime?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Feliz will still
be an unknown in July and possibly into next year. If the Rangers trade any pitcher it is probably Padilla.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Ha!
That would be funny. What was that movie where the football quarterback threw the ball at the coach or mascot on the sidelines? If the Rangers do this, Washington better hide behind someone big everytime Padilla pitches.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I've thought about that option for years due to the heat...
…but one big thing is I think most pitchers get in a good groove of 1 day on 4 days off and it might jack with everyone’s routine.
by ryan_xpress on May 22, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
But right now they aren't going on 4 days rest very much
They haven’t been skipping starters this year due to off days so alot of times guys are going on 5 days rest.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Millwood
only has to average 4.5 innings per start (if he starts 34 games). Nothing but a DL stint is going to keep him from his vesting option, and I don’t think the Rangers have any qualms about bringing him back next year for $12 million anyway.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on May 22, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
Seeing as how they aren’t skipping starters on off days like the past he will only get 33 starts and if you added a 6th starter it would drop that down to 28 or so probably.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
OK,
but you know that they wouldn’t even consider going to a regular six man rotation, right?
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on May 22, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably not
Im trying to figure out if it may be the best way given our roster and environment
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
AJ @ 1B
I thought he looked like a slow OFer playing firstbase. Rw is also planning to start him on Sunday vs Hampton.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Who said that about Sunday?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
He's planning on starting him
Didn’t say where, though.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
With the way
Murphy is swinging the bat do you sit him vs Hampton?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Yes
Murphy doesn’t hit lefties well. I wouldn’t be surprised if on Sunday, we had Jones in LF, Byrd in CF, and Cruz in RF.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he had said Hammy was playing everyday this series
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Hamilton needs to play
So does Murphy.
Hampton sucks. And his line against lefties this season:
.302 /.340 /.488
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Murphy doesn't need to play
He’s a 4th outfielder.
We have no DH.
Let him sit to make room for Andruw on Sunday.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Well hes been pretty good of late
OPSing over 900 since that 0-22 start
Agree he shouldn’t start against a lefty in a NL park but I think he should start ahead of Jones on most occasions
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Murphy is better defensively
Hampton sucks against lefties. Murphy has also been on fire since he ended his hitless streak. .919 OPS going into today’s game where he was getting robbed left and right
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
well CD and Hack
aren’t hitting anyone very well right now. I think AJ will be at 1B on Sunday.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
PPPppppppp please say you're joking...
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on May 22, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
What about defense, does that mean nothing to you?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Did you forget to take your medicine today?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Well that LeBron buzzer-beater put a dampener
on a Saturday morning.
I don’t have too much of a problem with them, but I fear many Cleveland fans will morph into obnoxious asses when one of their teams finally wins a championship.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
My adenture through the bottom of the 9th (on Ambien)
First I chatted with FF, got hus mind stright.
Then I gave him some tips about the batters he would be facing.
Then I just couldn’t take the Houston fans anymore.
Then I shit talked Michaels Momma.
by cmkelly29 on May 22, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Are you...
shirtless?
What would Mrs. Frankie say?
by ghostofErikThompson on May 22, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
you on this?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Weaver trying to get out of another jam tonight.
He has already gotten out of one with the bases left loaded in the first.
The Braves outfield is downright awful
Would anyone hate a trade of Byrd for Mike Gonzelez or Soriano
deal one of the guys who for sure won't be back
ie, byrd, jones, or blalock. Don’t deal the guy under team control for cheap. I’d rather see Boggs go than Murphy.
Trade for Gonzalez
Drop Eddie Money and Benson
Call up Boggs
Holland in long relief until August
another RH reliever- Diamond until Feliz is ready for the pen
Diamond just got demoted from AAA to AA
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
And....
Ricky Nolasco optioned after tonights disaster. Trade trade trade
Jeff Zimmerman for President.
link?
can’t find where he was optioned…
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 22, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
nm found it
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 22, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade Taylor for him
and let Mustache Jesus get him back in the zone of pitching to contact he was in last year.
Buy low JD! Buy low!
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
Feldman+Max?
I’d do it in a heartbeat.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
I know Fla was after Max in the offseason
but looking up John Baker’s numbers he is hitting decent with poor CS% (17). Their outfield is not perfect- maybe Murphy plus Feldman? I’d love to see Texas as a place pitchers could work on their mojo with Maddux.
Elvis for Rookie of the Year
Preseason I thought no way. Right now I think distinct possibility. Writers love guys who “hustle” and “play the game the right way”. That’s Andrus, so that and all the webgems might overcome his lack of sexy counting stats.
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Elvis or Holland?
Which is more likely now?
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
At this point in the season, who is his competition?
If he continually shows up on Sportscenter with his spectacular defense, AND keeps hitting as well as he has so far, I think that’s a no brainer.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
He is one of the reasons the Blue Jays are actually in early contention and he has been pretty solid. An era in mid 3s
His stuff is only decent to so-so.
Doesn’t inspire confidence to keep it up.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
In
the limited time he was in the majors last year he had about the same numbers which shows some consistency
He only plays every 5 days
EA can be on sportscenter virtually every night.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Richmond
He would be very far behind Elvis at this point.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
David Price
Matt Wieters when he’s called up, though if they wait long enough then maybe he won’t have enough time to get consideration. Koji Uehara has been pretty good, and Toronto and Oakland have 5 rookies in the rotations between them right now, and they could get hot or lucky.
Right now I would pick Andrus, but that could easily change with that level of talent around.
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SO there's pretty much no one right now, right?
Price and Wieters definitely could, but I don’t know who is playing better than Andrus right now at the Major League level.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Porcello
Using sportswriters metrics (W-L, ERA), Porcello’s having a nice season so far. If he ends up with ~15 wins and a 3.75ish ERA, he’d a good shot.
OT: Mariners -
no way they’re a .500+ team with that offense.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on May 22, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
Some of it is
some of it, I’m still not sure.
by Brett Perryman on May 22, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I just now heard about some kid named Zumaya
I think he throws like 100 or something.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
See that's their thing, those guys are never healthy
Who is in the back of their rotation?
I guess Jackson is their No. 3. Willis is their No. 4. Who else?
I really don't know
There was some guy who posted the other day that he hadn’t heard of Zumaya until he had that one inning against the Rangers a couple of weeks ago. That’s what I was referring to. I’m not an expert on the Tiger depth chart.
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson's their no.2 until Leyland blows his arm out.
Their backend is some combination of Willis/Bonderman/Galarraga.
... that Galarraga?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
I came here to split hairs. And you?
by inactive lsb user on May 23, 2009 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
and I’m not completely convinced that he’s totally over that hump. He had some pretty brilliant starts early last year too, in the tougher environment.
by Brett Perryman on May 22, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have much doubt
that Nolan Ryan was the foremost behind the decision to make the move to install Andrus before ST even started. If you recount the way Daniels talked in the fall, I think that he expected to start this season with Young as the SS and address the situation a little later. And listening to Nolan talk about what he saw with Andrus that made him think he could handle it, he sounded personally convicted.
Anyway, I would still maintain – maybe even moreso considering how good of a player Andrus looks to be – that he should have been installed a few weeks into the season. But, whatever about that, what I’m getting to is that I really respect the fact that Nolan and their scouts recognized as well as they did that Andrus could be much, much better early this season than I would have ever guessed, and I got to watch him a good deal last season and historically have been one of Andrus’ most optimistic backers around the interwebs..
by Brett Perryman on May 22, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions
well,
if the plan didn’t start with Nolan, he was at least 100% on board with it, because I don’t think they move a reluctant Young to 3B without Nolan thinking it was the best thing for the team.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on May 22, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
And one last thing on that last point
This reminds me to a smaller degree of how the Marlins know what they were getting in HanRam. NOBODY expected him to step into their lineup and do what he did his rookie year, and obviously no one expected the sort of offensive force that he’s become. With Andrus, I found myself criticizing all fo the pundits, Callis, Goldstein, etc. for not looking closely enough at Andrus to see more positive angles on his perceived shortcomings. And I had a big problem with them projecting absolutely zero power for him when he is not a small bodied guy, he swings hard rather than slapping, and he’s just going to get a lot stronger than he was when he was 19 and playing in Myrtle Beach. But at the same time, I was convinced that his first half of this season offensively would be really tough to watch. I really like to know that the Rangers had a much, much better grasp of what he was ready to do (even if he has surprised them some too) than everyone else. That sounds like an obvious thing, that his team would have the best handle on him, but there are certainly historical examples of it not being the case.
by Brett Perryman on May 22, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he has exceeded the
Rangers’ expectations in every way. Offensicely he hasn’t looked overmatched and has shownthe ability to turn on inside pitches. Defensively he hasn’t been making the throwing errors that characterized his minor league play.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
yeah i was terrified we'd do a benji gil redux
remember how high all the fans and organization was when gil came up.
then he was a total bust for us. to see him be everything if not more than the world expected is like frosting on the cake
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Totally different kind of SS, but yeah
Benji Gil was supposed to be a big time power hitter and all that, right? And more than adequate defensively?
by Black Francis on May 22, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
There's not a chance
that Daniels saw something in the offseason and then utilized “Nolan’s insistence” as a way to hedge his instincts?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
I came here to split hairs. And you?
by inactive lsb user on May 22, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not meaning to minimalize Daniels' role
I’m just as confident as I am about the other stuff that he’s known for some time that he wanted to do this. But he was dealing with a tricky situation, one that if it were just him and HIcks, it may not have been possible for him to pull off over the offseason. And I expect intelligent decisions from Daniels when he’s left to his own devices. I just don’t buy that someone being around the game for 50 years automatically means that you have any clue what you’re looking at with developing players, and I’m impressed that Nolan personally seemed to have the right instinct here, presumably along with their baseball people.
by Brett Perryman on May 22, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Nolan's done a great job of proving to be the best we could hope for as president
He’s the guy that works with JD to help make sure that the front office can do what is best for the team without having to worry about Hicks and the player’s feelings.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I think they were prepared to ride out some tough times
in the belief that Andrus would survive and be that much better in 2010. I don’t think they expected him to be quite this good this soon.
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I don't think they did either
but what I’m saying is that it took some real insight to think that he would be better than, like, terrible offensively for the first couple of months. If you look at his history, he’s been really rough for a month or two, and those were incremental jumps, not going from AA to MLB.
by Brett Perryman on May 23, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Crawfish Boxes
SBN has a baseball blog for all the MLB teams.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
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Jeff Zimmerman for President.
you made me think the angels had hit a grand slam or something.
the preceding post was a great success.
someone needs to let them
know that tanking now won’t get then the #1 pick in this year’s draft.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Unless...
David Stern becomes commissioner of MLB tomorrow. He would give Oakland a couple of extra lottery balls for this year’s draft.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you are confused
Now, however, if someone from ESPN’s Executive team became the new commissioner, the NYY and Boston would get a special compensation pick whenever they wanted. AND they could pick players already on other team’s minor league rosters.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
that may actually be
put into the fine, fine, fine print of their next TV deal. :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I apologize to everyone here
For giving ESPN that idea if they hadn’t already thought of it.
by Mark from OC on May 22, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
that 25 man is baaaaaaad
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
BBTN is as baaaaad as the A's 2 man, MLBnetwork my man
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
well
i do love the mlbnetwork, but 99% of their coverage of a game is at it goes on, while im obviously watching. its hard to catch them recapping a game aside from the hour long shows at the end of the day which don’t even have the studio analysts.
the preceding post was a great success.
because they weren't webgems
thet were routine EA plays. :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Incidentally
Remember how Brandon Morrow approached the Mariners this spring and said he wanted to pitch in relief, and didn’t want to be a starter anymore?
He apparently admitted in a radio interview this week that he told the front office that this spring because he didn’t want to go to the minors, which is what would have happened if he was going to be a starter.
by Adam J. Morris on May 22, 2009 11:55 PM CDT reply actions
Hahahahahahahahahaa
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
I came here to split hairs. And you?
by inactive lsb user on May 22, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh Mariners
They had such high hopes this offseason. And now…Well, they’re back to their losing ways of last season and all kinds of things are going wrong for them. Do they make it to 75 wins this season?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Well im sure like all organizations/fans they had high hopes
but its the A’s the public at large had high hopes for this season.. and they look even worse heh.
the preceding post was a great success.
I'm talking about the way their front office reorganized this offseason
That Felix/Bedard duo, the improved defense, talk about an improved offense. Then of course you had that great start to the season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
You have to send him down
now right?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Might as well
have him convert back to starter at AAA.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
I came here to split hairs. And you?
by inactive lsb user on May 23, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
martin fails with a man on third 1 out
blah.
I remember Darren Oliver getting bashed a ton when he had a bad first month or so with the angels… hes got a pretty good run going since then.
the preceding post was a great success.
Jered Weaver can suck it
6 singles, 2 doubles, and 3 BBs over 5 IP yet only 1 ER. Go Dodgers
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Love that small ball
Joe Torre has Orlando Hudson — his #3 hitter — sacrifice Furcal from second to third base.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2009 12:09 AM CDT reply actions
This Der-Hol guy... I like him.
I hope we keep him around.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I think movies where it turns out the British guy did it are probably pretty accurate.
ruminations plus
So Feliz might be BETTER than Holland? Oh My!
CJ need only use a black or brown glove from here forward. No bits from shitty bullpen arms please.
So we were thinking of moving Pudge to 2b 10 years ago to prolong his career and dude is still squatting down to catch? Nice.
Why is a caught foul tip 3rd strike a strike-out as opposed to a foul out?
How long until this is “Elvis’ team”?
The Texas Hammer needs to be dealt….of DFA’d
Mikey Baseball had that oh so familiar stroke working tonight.
WTF was Hicks doing sitting right behind home plate. That was distracting as hell.
Miggs Tejada is rangeless.
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:19 AM CDT reply actions
The feeling i get when
he is on to close is diametrically opposed to how I felt with CJ on to close. It was good to see FX2 having his good velo.
foul tip
Ive always wondered why a caught foul tip wasn’t an out before strike three
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
equally
perplexing question….
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
What did C.J. do wrong?
He threw 11 pitches. 10 of them were strikes.
He gave up one hard hit ball — a single to left field.
The other two hits were the result of positioning — Carlos Lee’s grounder is a routine ground out to 3B if Michael Young isn’t straddling the foul line, and Bourn’s ball was a hopper that Davis couldn’t get because he was playing in at first base. Neither ball was hit hard.
As I said in the game day thread, you can’t ask guys to throw strikes and pitch to contact, then whine when you give up singles.
by Adam J. Morris on May 23, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Hear Hear
Just like you can’t ask a guy to have a great strikeout rate when you are asking him to pitch to contact.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Yep.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
I came here to split hairs. And you?
by inactive lsb user on May 23, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
CJ could strike the side out on 9 pitches
All swing and miss and people would be pissed he didn’t do it in 8
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
that would be the
greatness of an immaculate inning, no?
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
so if I
roll out and throw 10 of 11 strikes you’ll credit me with a good outing?
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you being serious?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
yup
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Well then yes if you threw 91% srikes I would say you had a good outting
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
what
if I gave up 10 homers on those pitches?
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
then those would be 10 hits rather than 10 strikes
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
what?
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
so if I roll out and throw 10 of 11 strikes you’ll credit me with a good outing?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
what if I gave up 10 homers on those pitches?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
then those would be 10 hits rather than 10 strikes
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
what?
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
either he doesn't understand
or is baiting you.
let it go
then you would suck ass instead of be awesome
clear enough?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
If they were like the pitches CJ was throwing then I woul chalk t up to really bad luck
He wasn’t throwing meatballs they were good pitches. Last time I checked ML hitters were pretty good too.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I dont
trust him to be the 8th inning guy, sorry.
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
OK
Well his ERA is a really nice 3.86 entering tonight and take away the Detroit debacle and its 2.15.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
you feel good
when you see him trotting out to the mound?
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
fair enough.
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I know you love stats AJM
Look up K/BB for Cj vs FX2 in the last two years. I like CJ. But he is wild and gives up too many solid hits with two strike counts. And then tell me you would switch CJ into the closer’s role ahead of Frank.
was anyone saying cj should be the closer over frank?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
10 baserunners for the Dodgers and 1 stinking run.
3 doubles and a SB too yet one run.
How the hell do the Angels always do this?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Whats worse is that Vlad is a few days away from returning
Also, every time I visit HH and I read one of RevHalo’s posts, my hatred for that team increases.
by behindthebag on May 23, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Andrus's Power
At what point do we believe that he can be a consistent 20 HR guy? The dude is 20 and is on pace for 15 or so right now…. incredible
20?
I doubt that. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the 12-17 HR range year in and year out especially once his body finishes maturing and he gets a bit bigger in his upper body. He may hit 20 once or twice but perennial I doubt
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
he's on pace for around 15 as a 20 year old
and you really think he wont ever get to 20 regularly?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
How do you figure
We are 1/4 done with the season and he just hit #3 which by my math would mean hes on pace for 12. Up until tonight he was on pace for 8.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
12 is around 15
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
So
Ive said I think he’ll be a 12-17 HR guy but to predict 20 every year I think is a bit of a stretch.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
being on pace for things never works out anyway
i think 8 is more realistic
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
It really is
My original comp was Bert Campaneris, but Campy only had one double digit HR season. This kid is some sort of hybrid b/w Campy and Trammel.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
C.J.'s facebook status references Cruz Missles
coindence?
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
I'm an Andrus-caliber catch. :-)
by The Best Micah on May 23, 2009 12:31 AM CDT reply actions
dude should
be watching film…..not facebooking!
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
HEY MAYBE THATS WHY HE GAVE UP 2 LUCKY HITS
Cause he has a life outside of baseball!
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I was using sarcasm.
Sorry your detector is broken….
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
My smartass detector is shared with my dumbass one.
Beasticon made my detector break with his dumbassness.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Sarcastically referred to it as a motivating factor
Very unwise… basically inferred that it was worthless
he
had a great run here at least….
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on May 23, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
tempting the karma gods
is bad juju
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
And the angels are about to win.
I swear.. everyone the angels play.. ridiculous.
the preceding post was a great success.
....do i?
I’ve never tried to say the rangers were going to win 94 games or whatever heir record thus far would pace out to. Thats why i care so much about the angels losing.. we have to be lucky to make the playoffs.
the preceding post was a great success.
Ryan Sweeney has already cancelled out
our good luck. The MOFO.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
dont take it so hard shep
they dont suck, actually they are one of the few teams in baseball i totally respect. they seem to have a philosophy for the way they play ball, from the bottom up and it shows when you play them. I dont think many other teams show that when they play as much as the Angels do. they are a good team to have as a rival b/c they demand the same.
Its ok, shep, we could be the A’s or M’s
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
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