Davis's time may be running out.
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"We've said all along that when you go with young players who you've committed to and have had some level of success, there will be growing pains," But at some point, you have to look at each individual and decide what's in the best interests of the individual and the team."
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"It's come up," Daniels said. "When you've got young players struggling, you're always evaluating your options and what's the best way to put a player in a position to succeed. I can't put a timeline on it. This is not the first time or the last time that a young player who is a big part of the future has struggled.
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Its gotta be coming up
I just can’t imagine he lasts past the All Star break if he doesn’t show signs of life before then.
This offense needs a shot in the arm, and the easiest shot in the arm to give it is to remove the black hole of suck that CD has brought to the plate this year.
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by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who do you replace him with? . . .
I think we can all agree that Blalock hasn’t been that much better. Jones isn’t an everyday first baseman. Max Ramirez has too much value at catcher to play first base. Smoak hasn’t even been a professional for a year yet.
I’m not saying that we should overlook Chris’ struggles and just blindy stick with him, but before something is done, shouldn’t the team make sure another viable option is in place?
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by John Paul on May 28, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can sign Ben Broussard
In all seriousness, it isn’t that hard to find someone who can put up better numbers at first than Davis has this year.
And it isn’t at all obvious that developmentally going down to AAA isn’t the the best thing for Davis either. Maybe he needs to go somewhere where mean people like Cahill and I won’t mock his swings routinely. People have been rushed before, I don’t know why we can’t admit that maybe, just maybe, Chris Davis was rushed as well and needs more time.
I have an irrational hatred of Chris Davis because his Ks are way too ugly and irrational liking of Matt Harrison because he's a lefty - deal with it.
by JBImaknee on May 28, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Gold!!!!!!!!!!!
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by scoop16 on May 28, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock has been
significantly better offensively.
100+ points of OPS isn’t nuthin. Moving Blalock out of the cleanup hole and moving Cruz there will probably also have his OBP rise based on his previous experiences when Blalock bats cleanup.
Also, this opens it up for Andruw Jones to play every day.
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by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I have a hard time believing Blalock will continue failing with a poor approach
I expect some adjustment, especially after what can almost be called a benching.
by tyd3311 on May 28, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If given an entire season at 1B
What do you expect Blalock’s OPS to be at the end of the year?
by Telegraph on May 28, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HIs slugging will drop, no doubt
But his OBP has to rise.
by tyd3311 on May 28, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
850ish
if he stays healthy. With a higher OBP.
Hopefully CD is able to pull his head out of his ass in the minors and can come up later.
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by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock
Davis is actually a good bit better than Blalock versus lefthanders.
Any solution that involves Blalock playing every day is a horrible solution.
by Darrell McKown on May 28, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean, who?
Considering Davis has been about the worst hitting 1b in baseball this year, isn’t anyone a “viable” option..
Hell, trade for fucking doug mientkiewicz..
by BillyG on May 28, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked at that Avatar and freaked out
I thought you were Nadine for a second. Hilarious.
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by Parman on May 29, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nadia.
And, me too.
I got all giddy for about half a sec.
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Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read the posts, and then saw the avy and went "oh shit" for a minute.
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by lonestarJon on May 29, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Fail
Mientkiewicz isn’t a viable option at all. He’s on the DL, and probably out until August at least.
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by RCCook on May 29, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock is better than Davis offensively
And Jones is better than Blalock so it would be an improvement offensively.
The crux is defensively. Will the increase in offensive production offset the dropoff defensively. I think thats the question that is the hardest to answer and once it gets then we will find out if Davis is going to OKC or not
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by bigsteve on May 28, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The team finds itself in the midst of a pennant race, and it probably can’t afford a year of Davis doing what he’s done so far. I’m still a believer in him, and his defense has been pretty spectacular, but a demotion may be for the best right now. I imagine Jones can handle first base well enough.
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by trza on May 28, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see Jones play 1b the other day?
Jones at first scares the hell out of me.
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by boomer1 on May 28, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see it
But recently Davis batting has scared the hell out of me. Not in a good way.
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by trza on May 28, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw him at 1B
and I feel the exactly the way you do. If our defense declines at 1B, our overall defensive numbers will decline. I don’t feel like holding my breath every time someone throws over to first.
by cspott on May 28, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
I Jones plays first we will give up more runs than we will get with his bat in the lineup every day.
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by boomer1 on May 28, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bull fuckin shit
People act like Jones is a retarded moron
1b is the easiest position in baseball and i promise you he knows how to catch a baseball
furthermore, dont you think his D improves if he plays there everyday
lastly, why do people defend davis and his sub .200 BA so vehemently?
by Horns130 on May 28, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see him at first base the other night in Houston?
He was clearly out of place, and didn’t really know what the hell he was doing. Just because first base is supposedly the “easiest” defensive position doesn’t mean that you can take an outfielder and stick him there and not have it bite you in the ass.
Our defense is the reason this pitching staff looks as good as good as it does, and Chris Davis is a large reason why Elvis Andrus has looked as good as he has too. If you take Jones and stick him there, you’re looking at throwing and picking errors galore between Andrus and MY.
And as to why people defend Chris Davis: he’s 23 years old. He has a ton of power, and plays great defense at first. That’s a huge future asset to your team, the kind of asset that needs to be given every chance to develop.
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by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course he didn't see him play.
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by ivysafety39 on May 28, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone on this board could throw a FB buy him right now
as for the D, you just wont convince me that defense at 1b is that difficult or that important
why dont you go on a campaign telling all these coaches and managers how stupid they are for putting their worst defensive players at 1b…im sure theyd love to hear you inform them of this fact
1b is always the place where you put a shitty defender in baseball b/c it is easy as shit to hide them
and if youd read underneath this, i would like to see smoak have a chance if you send davis down, his D would be similar to Davis’ imo
by Horns130 on May 28, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
So your end-all logic regarding first base is: just because first base is where you put big guys who don’t move too well (which doesn’t necessarily mean they’re your “worst defender”, just that they’re too slow to play the OF and not nimble enough to play 3B), anyone can pick up a mitt and play the position acceptably?
That’s really dumb.
Sorry, but it is.
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by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1b
pujols and teixeira are awful players they have to be hidden at first.
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by rentz on May 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct
neither are able to play any other position at a Major League level, therefore are left to either play left field if their arm is decent enough (which it isnt or they would be at 3b still, generally of course) or 1b/DH if their arm isnt strong enough
every 1b is a 1b b/c they werent good enough to werent accurate at 3rd, or they were tall and lefty, or their arm is too weak for the OF.
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by Jayslick on May 28, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta disagree about the Doucheira's
D at third. IIRC, he was pretty handy at third, but Blalock was blocking him(who at the time looked like a quality 3B). Therefore, the team moved him to 1B where is pretty OK on D.
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by Parman on May 29, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where "he" is pretty OK on D.
Shitty sentence, but at least I made it readable.
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by Parman on May 29, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he won a GG at 1b
he is a really good 1b, not CD good, but good.
as for 3b, im pretty sure his arm wasnt accurate enough to play there.
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by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tex was a pretty bad defender at 3b.
Who knows if he could’ve improved enough to be passable, but I doubt it.
Blalock was clearly the better 3b defender when they were first coming up and playing in Arlington.
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by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had never played it
and as bad as he did or didnt look, the only reason anybody is saying that is b/c he tried to catch the ball and put the glove on the base in one fluid motion. he was a GG CFer for almost a decade, meaning the guy understands routes and best way to handle a ball, that mental aspect doesnt radically change by moving around the field defensively.
As great as Davis has been he has only saved less than 4 runs, so the question ends up being if Andruw can earn you 18 runs offensively and lose ya 5 defensively, it comes out much better to have the shitty fielding hitter you can count on to produce. (I cant believe im saying that you can count on AJ) That is why a ton of teams dont give 2 craps about the 1b defense if he can remotely produce. right now an average replacement will produce more runs than CD no matter how great his D is at 1b. its just the truth of the matter.
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by Jayslick on May 28, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The plus 3.4 runs Davis is at first base is the best in the entire major leagues
That’s not an “only”.
And yes, understanding routes and how to handle a ball does change radically when you go from the outfield to playing a COF position. It’s a completely different concept, having to catch the ball in the air and having to dig it out of the dirt. Andruw is not a first baseman, and he should not be playing there in the major leagues, save for a drastic emergency.
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by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3.4 thats the point
as awesome as that is for a 1b, we need a guy who offensively can be +18 just to be good, and that guy could be terrible on defense and in the end, we are better off as a team going that route.
why is that so hard to understand?
and yes, i get that having a 1b who saves crummy tosses is handy as hell, but a lot of that needs to be on our infield guys to make good throws and not make sloppy tosses expecting a CD replacement to bail them out.
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by Jayslick on May 28, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't expect Davis to be this bad offensively forever.
And I’m not very excited about our other options offensively either (namely Blalock, I don’t consider Jones and option at first). So I don’t get the hurry to chuck him off to AAA without a truly viable backup plan.
His power is still there (despite how horrible he is offensively right now, his ISO is only down 10 points from last year). He’s playing great defense. If it’s between playing Blalock at first base and giving Davis another month to figure things out in the majors, I vote for giving Davis more time.
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by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if Ron Wash can teach Scott Hatteburg to play first
he can teach Andruw Jones as well.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 29, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ill ask again
All these teams and baseball people who bury bad defensive players at 1b are stupid?
I want you to actually say that you are smarter than they are, I want to see that arrogance and ignorance come out of you
It is an easy position to play that holds little defensive value so you put an offensive player there.
This is what happens when you dont use common baseball sense and instead you sit and look at a spreadsheet for 10 hours
by Horns130 on May 29, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you're missing my point
Even bad defensive players that get buried at first base have learned to play the fucking position.
This has nothing to do with spreadsheets to stats, this has to do with the simple fact that just like any other position, you still have to learn how to play first base before you can play there full time. This isn’t a videogame where you can take an outfielder and stick him at first base and expect everything to be hunky-dory. You don’t seem to comprehend that.
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by lonestarJon on May 29, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for all the AJ could never dare play 1b talk
people seem to be forgetting that other than the one error where he was trying to catch the ball with glove and place the glove on the base for an out in one fluid motion and it didnt work, the guy didnt look totally incapable of learning the position, and the error i just described may have the chance of occurring 10 times in a season max. bet he never has another problem with a similar ball.
This is the position that David Ortiz excelled at and the Position Cecil Fielder played. Raffy moved to 1b from LF in one spring training and he ended up ok. This shit isnt impossible and we have people who are very good at helping teach positional defense that i have faith in a lot more than what any of you guys firmly believe.
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by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
Let’s assume that AJ could be moved to first, given enough time and reps. Do you still want to do that in the middle of the season?
If we’re not willing to put up with Davis’ offensive struggles at first because it’s “keeping us from being a playoff team” or something, I don’t see why we’re even talking about letting a guy who’s never played there before this year learn the position on the fly.
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by lonestarJon on May 29, 2009 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda curious
i wonder what the worst defensive valued 1bman is in the league. just to kinda see relative to a guy learning,
i just dunno why the same people who are so anti Andruw are pro Hank at 1b (not saying you are) b/c its not like Hank has weeks and weeks of 1b experience.
honestly as awesome as we’ve done, i wasnt realistically expecting to be in this race at all 2009 and now we have a chance to make some games on some teams and be in it for a while, i just dont see how, no matter how fantastic CD’s defense is, we can stay in it for a good while unless we have an average bat, at the beginning of the season i woulda told ya i was totally cool just suffering through the dev process of these guys. Hell, im still not sold that even if we are in 1st after the AS break we dont dump Hank, Marlon, and any other non compensation FA’s and just let the kids like bourbon and smoak and feliz come in and play. Hell i’d be content to run CD out there the whole season if i didnt think he may turtle and go david clyde on our ass.
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by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank at least spent his months on the DL last year learning the position
Whereas Andruw has something like three or four games there for his lifetime.
But I’m not pro-Hank at 1B either, which is why I’d rather give Davis more time to get the bat going. I don’t really see Hank or Andruw as that much of an improvement, myself.
As for the bottom 1B’s in baseball in UZR, Prince Fielder (-3.3) and Aubrey Huff (-3.2) are the only guys who have been 3 or more runs below average, and Nick Johnson (-2.9), Justin Morneau (-2.8) and Joey Votto (-2.2) are the only others 2 runs below average. So despite what you’d think, there’s not that many truly horrible defensive first basement running around out there.
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by lonestarJon on May 29, 2009 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you compare those numbers
to -6.6 RARP for CD’s bat, you can see why JD is starting to look at a timeline to make a move.
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by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Fangraphs, Davis is -5.0 offensively
I don’t know where you’re getting -6.6 from.
Blalock is only 0.7 above average offensively himself. A lot better than Davis, but that would still be 6th to last among MLB first baseman. The real interesting thing is if you go by WAR, Blalock is a 0.2 player, while Davis is a 0.1.
So I’m just not seeing where this huge, keep-us-in-the race upside in swapping CD for Blalock at 1B is.
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by lonestarJon on May 29, 2009 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackass
Because 1b is an offensive position
go through the lineups in baseball and look at the big bats playing 1st
it is an absolute embarrassment and a joke to have a 1b hitting like CD
how can you not understand this
by Horns130 on May 29, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You act like he's been hitting this way his entire career
He had an excellent debut last year after crushing minor league pitching for a year and a half. He’ll hit them again if he can get his head straight.
But you want to chuck him after two months of struggling in his sophomore season? Grow a brain.
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by lonestarJon on May 29, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering
he’s played more games this year than he did in AAA and about the same number he did in AA, why not?
Tough to call small sample size, when his whole minor league career over A ball is small sample size. Its not exactly chucking him to send him to the minors and have him work through his slump there.
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by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have a rookie SS and a guy at 3B still learning the position
that makes 1B defense VERY important. How many times has CD made an out on a throw way off the bag because he can adjust to errant throws? If this infield were any other infield in the AL, you would have a point… but at this point in time, you can’t have some guy who can catch balls thrown right at him, you need someone who can make adjustments and give you stellar base coverage… and right now that’s CD.
I hate his bat right now, though… and while I’m not willing to give him several months to work it out, I value his defense enough to give him a little more leeway – but not forever.
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by WhipSmart on May 28, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to all of that.
+1.
The Davis defending is insane at this point.
Jones is a 10-time gold glover and a far, far, far better hitter at this point.
Playoff teams don’t have automatic strikeouts (against playoff level pitching especially) in the line-up.
by Texas_Dawg on May 28, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 time gold glover
at a totally different position.
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by rentz on May 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind that gold gloves are a shitty way to judge defensive ability.
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"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but michael young is a gold glove winning SS!!
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by rentz on May 28, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Except AJ actually was a good defender so it renders your point moot.
by Horns130 on May 29, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what?
AJ was a good defender in the outfield for many years. So go find his UZR at Fangraphs and quote that, instead of using a fairly meaningless award as a qualifier.
Furthermore, who gives a shit if he was good in the outfield a few years ago. That doesn’t mean he can play first base.
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by lonestarJon on May 29, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont go piss'n off Julio, LSJ
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by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at a much, much, much harder position.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
might be harder but its still different
you cant expect a gold glove catcher to play gold glove D at RF or 2b.
having a gold glove doesnt mean jack when it comes to switching from the of to the if.
Now i’m not saying jones couldnt learn the position well enough, but the argument that he’s won a gold glove just seems stupid.
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by rentz on May 29, 2009 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
almost as stupid
as the argument that he somehow can’t play 1B adequately, or that a much better bat at the position would be negated by 5 runs saved with the glove.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah all positions are the same
a gold glove at one means good at another…makes perfect sense!
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by rentz on May 29, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's hardly
what I was saying. But to say that 1B is even remotely difficult is stupid. Jones can play 1B adequately. Davis’ bat is so bad right now he’s a replacement level player EVEN WITH league leading defense. Jones’ bat is more than enough better to make up for what you would lose for the glove.
And look, no one is thinking that Jones or anyone else would be playing 1B for the rest of the year. We’re talking about a couple of weeks or so while Davis gets his legs under him in AAA. This is a ridiculous overreaction by everyone here. Yes, Davis’ defense is nice. No, the team will not collapse without it.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
And it’s not necessarily that I though you particularly were suggesting it, but it was alluded to in comments above.
I get defensive about davis when people start writing him off as if he has no merit being with the club.
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by rentz on May 29, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect
that Davis himself will make all of this discussion moot soon.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one way or another
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by rentz on May 29, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't believe, you can alays trade him to good old Uncle Dirkatron.
I’ll give him a good home.
Honest injun.
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Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post tball
i dont remember a 1b in ranger history pulling off those moves defensively, but do we really wanna risk turning this guy into (pitcher mental basketcase) rick ankiel so we can save 8 runs this season?
anyway good post
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its defense at 1b..
who really cares, and how can it possibly make up for being worthless at the plate?
by BillyG on May 28, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"who really cares"?
This is a joke right? Do you know how many runs a good defensive 1b saves not to mention the amount of pitches the pitcher has to throw.
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by boomer1 on May 28, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9272&position=1B/3B#fieldingSays his defense has been worth 3.4 runs so far this year.. Woooo what a stud, who cares if his bat fails to touch a ball ever again.
by BillyG on May 28, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is defense at 1B different than defense elsewhere?
A run saved is a run saved, no matter where you are. First basemen gets fewer chances, so a top defensive 1st baseman might save 50% to 75% of the runs that a top defensive player at other positions, but over the course of a season, that’s still around 10 runs. 10 runs is not a small number at all.
by Telegraph on May 28, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering
Chris is already 6.6 runs below replacement at 1B, I don’t think it will be that hard to make those 10 runs up.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but that doesn't mean the defense is worthless
If he isn’t 3.4 runs above average defensively, he might have been sent down already.
by Telegraph on May 28, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying defense is completely worthless
I’m saying that CD has been such an amazing colossal bag of suck offensively this year that he can’t possibly offset it with defense. No amount of defense is gonna offset striking out 40% of the time or making an out in 3/4 of your plate appearances.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I like the fresh smell of daisies on a Saturday morning
Sure, but I’ve said nothing about how fantastic Chris Davis has looked at the plate so far. Our good friend BillyG was nice enough to suggest that nobody cared about 1B defense, and I was humbly trying to point out how astronomically stupid that was.
But since we are at it, let’s talk about it. I figure there are three ways to approach this: from an immediate performance point of view, nobody in their right mind would make an argument to keep Davis here. If you want greater run production at 1B, you can put Blalock at 1st base, who is so far about 6 runs better than Davis (according to fangraphs) on offense – assuming both hit exactly like they have right now, while Davis is 3.4 runs better than Blalock on defense assuming Blalock plays exactly average 1st base. Let’s say you play Blalock for 150 ABs at 1st base, you should get a 3 run improvement. Then you have Andruw Jones DH, and if he puts up the numbers in his 150 AB that Blalock has so far, it’s a 3 run net improvement for the move, possibly more (up to 6 if Blalock and Jones both perform better than anticipated). So, sending Chris Davis down for 150 ABs will get you an additional 0.5 to 1 win than keeping him up here.
The other way of looking at it is a developmental one: which is better for Davis – sending him down or keeping him up here. That’s the much harder question in my opinion. If you send him down, chances are that he will have more success, but I don’t know whether he will learn anything because most minor league pitchers will probably not have the same ability to throw the combination of pitches that has caused him so much trouble at the major league level. On the other hand, if you keep up here, he will continue to face the pitches that gives him trouble, which should give him a better chance to figure things out, or at least more opportunity to do so that he will not get at the minor league. So if you think that his problem is caused by something concrete, like mechanics, timing, pitch recognition, then keeping him up here is a better choice. On the other hand, if you think his problem is all mental, sending him down to give him a chance to recollect himself is a good idea too.
The last way is from the organization point of view – in other words, where does Davis fit in with the future of the franchise. Suppose you send him down, and he does better but continues to struggle when you call him back up – which is a distinct possibility, what do you do with him next season? What do you do with him when Smoak is ready to go? What do you do with him if he smashes AAA after that? If you keep him here for the entire year and then the beginning of next season, you should at least get a better idea of what you need to do with the guy, and whether he is cut out to be in your plans or not. This comes back to the Botts and Cruz thing all over again (I will never get over this). If you think a player might be something but are not sure, then find out right away. It’ll save a lot of hair pulling that you have to worry about in the future.
I go back and forth on this issue, but I would keep him up here for the entire season, plus up to June of 2010 (when hopefully Smoak is ready). No questions asked, even if he hits .200 the entire season. If he is still like this when Smoak is ready, replace him with Smoak and stash him at AAA for the rest of the year, and keep him there until he has an entire year of Cruz-like numbers. Then if there is a DH opening, consider him again, otherwise he is organization filler to me. I will take the loss of 1 win, even if that’s what separates the team from the playoffs. If we can’t make the playoffs in 2010 and beyond, a playoff this year is meaningless to me. Instead, you get to find out exactly what Chris Davis is, and makes all of your future decisions easier.
by Telegraph on May 28, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A playoff to me
is worth more to me than figuring out where CD fits in our plans this year. Whether we figure that out this year or next year or the year after is fairly irrelevent.
Because I know for a fact, that even if he fails in the majors all this year, he will still get next year in either the majors or minors to make good. We have 3 years of options to find out where CD fits in our plans. Whether we send him to the minors or not, we have 3 years of options to find out where CD fits in our plans. If he doesn’t make it in those 3 years, we will know.
I think sending him down to the minors will scar him no more than it scarred Nelson Cruz.
I also think that he doesn’t need to go down today. However, if the Rangers were to send him down, I don’t think it would say anything about CD’s longtime prospects.
I just think that CD’s window to get it going without being sent down is closing, and I don’t see that as a bad thing. Hopefully he starts a big hitting streak tomorrow, and saves his spot, but I just can’t see him keeping his roster spot indefinitely unless he does pick it up.
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by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the minors
the thing everyone keeps forgetting is that Davis has barely been there. Why are people so quick to assume that he has learned all he could learn in AAA?
I have an irrational hatred of Chris Davis because his Ks are way too ugly and irrational liking of Matt Harrison because he's a lefty - deal with it.
by JBImaknee on May 28, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never understood that.
He has played, what, 100 ABs at AAA and about the same at AA?
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by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
less than 90 games above A ball before he hit the show
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 28, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, but, but.....
Davis isn’t going to strike out 40% of the time.
Somebody told me that major league hitters just don’t strike out that much!
So it MUST be true!
What I don’t get is why he hasn’t chimed in the same way here. It couldn’t because he’s scared to be proven wrong, is it?
Nah, nobody would EVER be that way…..
R
by Requiem on May 28, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say that now
but every ball that is put in the dirt will end up in an extra base. I’m still shocked you made that comment. Davis has save Elvis and MY too many times to count this year.
by cspott on May 28, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many runs were not scored
because his OBP is so abysmal?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have numbers, I'm just going off of every game I've seen this year
I think somebody found the numbers earlier…
If you want greater run production at 1B, you can put Blalock at 1st base, who is so far about 6 runs better than Davis (according to fangraphs) on offense – assuming both hit exactly like they have right now, while Davis is 3.4 runs better than Blalock on defense assuming Blalock plays exactly average 1st base. Let’s say you play Blalock for 150 ABs at 1st base, you should get a 3 run improvement. Then you have Andruw Jones DH, and if he puts up the numbers in his 150 AB that Blalock has so far, it’s a 3 run net improvement for the move, possibly more (up to 6 if Blalock and Jones both perform better than anticipated). So, sending Chris Davis down for 150 ABs will get you an additional 0.5 to 1 win than keeping him up here.
by cspott on May 29, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Norm was advocating acquiring some Cub AAA guy.
In ’09:
.423 40 149 40 63 14 2 17 50 132 17 28 2 1 .503 .886 1.389
In ’08, AA & AAA:
.287 134 505 93 145 39 2 31 105 281 48 104 7 2 .364 .556 .921
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by Rodney on May 28, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know, he's a butcher even at 1st.
He could be a trade target if Davis were moved, however.
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 28, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know Rodney, he would be a DH? :0
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 28, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine they'd trade much in the way of players
for a DH.
My guess is they go with Blalock at 1B, and Jones at DH, and hope either CD finally pulls his head out of his ass in AAA or hope Smoak starts looking like he is ready for a callup.
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by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you there.
But, teams have inquired about CD, if we are to believe the rumors. Perhaps they could snag a player who would be an asset to an AL club, and flip CD for some pitching. BTW, he is a 6 year guy this offseason.
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by Rodney on May 28, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't get a front line starter for CD
and it isn’t worth trading for a LAIE.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's a Front rotation starter
and I don’t think you get him for CD, either.
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by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read what Sabean said?
Seems like a #2 in the making, to me.
by tyd3311 on May 28, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he said "no comment"
Because if he said “yes” or “no” then it would be illegal I believe. You can’t openly talk about players under contract with another team.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 28, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you trade Davis for Matt Garza?
by tyd3311 on May 28, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think
anyone would say no? Other then the Rays that is.
by BillyG on May 28, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Elvis could play first
AND second!!!
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 28, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All by himself!
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by boomer1 on May 28, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frustrating..
“I’m not concerned or frustrated by the strikeouts,” Davis said.
by BillyG on May 28, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a broken bat says otherwise
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 28, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Davis Sent Down?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 28, 2009 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
aw man
those were the good old days. I haven’t seen that movie in forever.
my sig is better than yours
by hinduplaya on May 28, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have it recorded on my dvr
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on May 28, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1b
Id like to see how many runs better blalock is at first when offense and defense is averaged in.
I’d guess that when you factor in defense davis is worth about the same.
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by rentz on May 28, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's kinda my thought
are we ready to make Blalock our full time 1B?
Man, I love winning! You know? It's like better than losing!
by SteveP on May 28, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if Davis/Blalock is a wash
And Jones/Blalock at DH is an improvement then what do you do?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 28, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
these things are discoverable
Hank Joe is +.7 (although i dunno if his sparse action at 1b is able to be attributed accurately but its how it looks right now
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 28, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say the lack of time at 1b has something to do with it
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by rentz on May 28, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASB
The all-star break would be a good time to send him down if he continues as is. He would only miss ~10 games. Not insignificant when you factor in the other 1B options but in the long run it would pay dividends.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 28, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CD is far and away a better defender at 1st base
than anyone else the rangers have available right now, as for his production numbers the guy has 12 HRs and 20 something RBIs, give him some more time, i guarantee if the rangers trade him you will see him become another Adrian Gonzalez or Carlos Pena (2 other 1st basemen we gave away) and look at them now, patience is a virtue, give him time.
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
by TRFAN on May 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Carlos Pena sucked for about five other teams before the Rays.
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 28, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is he doin now...........
DUDE
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
by TRFAN on May 28, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
playing on his 3rd contract since we woulda lost his rights even if we had never traded him?
you do realize the guy couldnt find a gig for most of the last decade right?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 28, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Pena
we got Gerald Laird for him
I have an irrational hatred of Chris Davis because his Ks are way too ugly and irrational liking of Matt Harrison because he's a lefty - deal with it.
by JBImaknee on May 29, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a pretty awesome trade in terms of guys who wouldn't out at all for either team, but would somehow go on to be really good elsewhere years later.
Oh, and Mario Ramos.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can anyone kindly point me in the direction of the quote the SF GM made?
Kinda fit to an imminent trade to Tex?
Am I dreaming this?
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Ryin A on May 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He said basically Cain is available for a power hitting young player
When asked specifically about Davis he said “no comment” which has people thinking it could and should be done. In reality if he says anything other than “no comment” then it could be considered illegal and he gets fined or something. You can’t talk about players under contract with another team.
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by bigsteve on May 28, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF that was all he said, then it wouldn't really be a big deal.
Sabean described Chris Davis,
Listening to KNBR 680am radio, the SF Giants flagship radio station and THE Sports Talk Radio (their self description):
Brian Sabean, Giants GM described the type of player the Giants would trade Cain for in a one for one deal— "young, power hitting, good glove first baseman who needs to learn patience"- Talk Show host said it sounded like Chris Davis of Rangers to which Sabean said "no comment"
by tyd3311 on May 28, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that would be a definate suprise
what else would needed to work that deal out on both sides
by laxtonto on May 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course it's no comment
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by Longhorn on May 28, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain
There’s no way the Giants trade Cain with Davis as the key player coming back.
If the Rangers could deal Davis and Harrison and Matt Cain, you make that deal in about two seconds.
by Darrell McKown on May 28, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what is Brian Sabean talking about then?
by tyd3311 on May 28, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
That’s just seems too good to be true.
by Darrell McKown on May 28, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about sanchez
sanchez and alderson
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
by Longhorn on May 28, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez and Alderson
I’m not high on Sanchez and I doubt they would trade Alderson.
by Darrell McKown on May 28, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah..........
That’s be like, totally, a dream come true. The baseball gods don’t like the Rangers enough for a Davis/Cain deal to go down. Of course, Sabean is a historically bad GM – if anyone would do it, he would.
I have an irrational hatred of Chris Davis because his Ks are way too ugly and irrational liking of Matt Harrison because he's a lefty - deal with it.
by JBImaknee on May 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really like Cain that much? Or is it just the prospect of getting anything for Davis that would make you giddy?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain
I’ve never understood the fascination with the guy
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 29, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and will be an FA in like 2 seasons
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And half as good.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those of us who are confused, what are our options?
- Send him down, Hank plays 1B and Jones becomes the everday DH? Who becomes the back-up?
- Call-up Smoak?
Any chance this team tries trading for a Nick Swisher-type?
I know Bradley wasn’t worth the trouble, but until we get a bat of his caliber to hit in the heart of the order, this offense remains fairly predictable
by oc on May 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who becomes the backup?
Are you talking about the backup 1B or backup DH? Because if Hank gets hurt and is out then you simply call Davis back up. If its a one game thing then you can roll with either Jones or heck you could play Salty there in an emergency.
Backup DH I am not worried about
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 28, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher'd be awesome for this team this year.
Unfortunately he gets expensive real quick after this season and I still think Davis/Smoak is our 1b/DH combo for the next half decade going forward.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 6:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Davis is so two true outcomes it's kinda funny.
He almost has a 50/50 chance of striking out ALMOST.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
by Slurvey on May 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
davis + ? for cain?
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by ivysafety39 on May 28, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd imagine someone like Harrison but now he's hurt
by oc on May 28, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman?
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we talk about Smoak some?
My recollection is that he did just fine during Spring Training, both offensively and defensively. He’s having an impressive year at Frisco with a great walk/SO ratio. Could it be he is ready? Even if he’s short on experience, the lineup would profit from his plate discipline, and there might not be any drop-off defensively from Davis.
II Cor. 4:17-18
by TedFord on May 28, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Barring a trade, this might be our only course of action. This team needs an OBP-beast in the middle of the line-up
by oc on May 28, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's be sure the Nats throw in a pair of crutches
by oc on May 28, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d loooove to have Nick Johnson. He’d have to DH though, if you want him to stay healthy.
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"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is perfectly fine
as long as his price is reasonable.
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by FirebatM3 on May 28, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing the Delcarmen rumor
CJ is the first one that I thought of. Don’t know if I’d do that.
The CJ hate is getting old.
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by sprite on May 28, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering he's one of the two semi-reliable bridges to Fx2 right now
I would say he’s probably more important than a half season of Nick Johnson at this point.
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"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if anything the team needs MORE bullpen help
not less.
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by rentz on May 28, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't rush Smoak just because Davis is struggling and Blalock is... Blalock
That would be the equivalent of calling up Neftali Feliz to replace Matt Harrison.
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"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more like the equivelent
of calling up feliz because of holland’s last outing.
smoak needs more time. on norms’ show this week vasik(spl?) said he had talk to some baseball people and smoak still needed some time working on his strike zome discipline. while his numbers look good, waiting till august couldn’t hurt.
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by ivysafety39 on May 28, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont rush Andrus
Hes not ready and we need to be patient and let him play in AAA…….that sound fuckin familiar?
sometimes it is good to test guys and im always in favor of pushing and testing polished college guys
also, smoak would solve the issue over shitty D since i think he would be solid in that regard
by Horns130 on May 28, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are assumig smoak comes up and hits well
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by rentz on May 28, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't need much to match the current incumbent's output
by oc on May 28, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right...
what im saying is, he isn’t likely to hit much better so whats the point?
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by rentz on May 28, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you say that?
CD is 6.6 runs below a replacement level 1b. Don’t you think Smoak can hit near replacement level?
A replacement level 1B would be a big upgrade. An average hitting 1B would be a massive upgrade.
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by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, im not sure that smoak can hit replacement level
he’s barely out of college and there is no need to bring him up.
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by rentz on May 28, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty confident Smoak could hit that well
but I’m also pretty confident that it’d be better for his development to leave him down there a little longer. I might promote him to AAA real soon, leave him there for about two months and take a look at the options then.
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by t ball on May 29, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you may be on to something
JD has said they would promote Smoak at the minor league ASB. If they do it sooner, like in the next 7-10 days, that may indicate that they feel he may be an option for 1B if they decide Davis needs to go down to AAA.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 29, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really think he cant hit fuckin 200?
furthermore, im confident that smoak will at least draw some walks even if he isnt hitting
right now Davis is 3 fastballs and get your worthless ass back to the dugout..
by Horns130 on May 28, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, his hitting ability
has shriveled like Andruw’s did the last 2 years.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 28, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
he’s still hitting home runs.
It’s just that he’s flailing at a lot more stuff.
Andruw was flailing at things, AND his power dropped off a cliff. At least his walk rate was still fine, but even then, he was 10 runs below replacement last year.
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by Requiem on May 28, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus was not brought up for his bat
He was brought up for his defense, which is a much different expectation than expecting a guy to hit Major League pitching right off the bat because he’s ripping up AA. The fact that Andrus has risen to the challenge of hitting big league pitching so far is a slightly astonishing plus, but it’s not a reason to start skipping other guys over AAA, no matter how polished you may think they are.
At least let Smoak tear up PCL pitching for a month or two like Davis did last year before bringing him up.
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by lonestarJon on May 28, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can do that with SS's
Because its a defense first position. 1B should be an offensive first position with defense being an extra.
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by bigsteve on May 28, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would it really be "rushing" him?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak?
Well, all I know is he’s still reportedly working on his strike zone judgement, ext, even as good as his numbers have looked. I have no real problem with him being brought along like Davis was last year, but he has yet to even see AAA pitching. Which, as Max Ramirez has proven since his ascent to OKC, can still be an adjustment.
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
by lonestarJon on May 29, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This situation reminds me of Bishop's speech in "Waiting."
Crush is struggling, which is leading to a lot of strikeouts, which in turn is leading to a lower morale for him, which is leading to more struggling, so on and so forth. A downward spiral.
He needs to invent a penis-showing game.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 28, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Give him the next 6 weeks
Chris Davis wil hit ML pitching and hit it well. He has shown that ability and he will show it again. Yes “K” Davis is frustrating beyond belief and the Mendoza line performance is maddening but don’t throw him out just yet. I’ve seen some encouraging signs as of late. On one K the other night the ptches were clearly outside the zone but still called strikes… Davis was clearly frustrated and the next time up hit a line out to left field. The two homers were nice as well even though they were off-speed pitches. Let there be no doubt he’s going to see fastballs all the time now until he proves he can hit them which I believe is sooner than later.
He has a slight hitch right now where he seems to be taking two steps to get the bat back into his launch position as oppsed to one. Rudy’s approach is for the hands to move back while the foot moves forward. It appears to me that Chris is pulling the bat back and then up before he swings when he should be pulling it straight to the slightly elevated position. I think this is the cause for his missing pitches and definitely being late on fastballs. The slight adjustment is likely throwing his swing plane off enough to miss balls he’d foul and foul balls he’d drive. I also think this is why his contact % is down so drastically from last year on fangraphs.
I’m encouraged because II don’t believe I saw the two step launch on his last ab (the line out to left) but it was one AB and it may have very well been there… hence the fastball lined to left although is was on the outside part of the plate. Here’s hoping.
by bstair on May 28, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought this a few weeks ago too
Im just not sure i still do…
He still swings a huge bat and he can definitely figure it out.
Again though, why not in AAA when we are actually a team winning the division this year…that may be my only complaint….anyone who says we should just get rid of him should have their posting privileges revoked
That swing has just been soooo long lately
by Horns130 on May 29, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's always darkest before dawn
Davis is on the verge of coming out of this crap, book it. He’s going to have a 3-hit game this weekend and take off.
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by t ball on May 29, 2009 12:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Lord I will take that bet. What's on the table?
by oc on May 29, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DO NOT TRUST THE GUY WITH THE HIPPY AVATAR
by dustym on May 29, 2009 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't listen to the guy with no avatar
no avatar = no soul.
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by t ball on May 29, 2009 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen, brother.
Patience isn’t really a strong suit amongst internet message boardies, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFA HIS ASS!
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by rentz on May 29, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFA EVERYONE!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRADE FOR CLIFF LEE AND VMART!!!1!!
"Hi, I’m a fucking horsefaced moron." - John Lackey to Ian Kinsler, 5/16/09
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph on Matt Harrison
by lonestarJon on May 29, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget to burn down the stadium
that is ESSENTIAL for every DFA outburst…
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
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by WhipSmart on May 29, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and salt the scorched earth where the stadium once stood
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A series of graduating steps
culminating in the earth hurtling into the sun is necessary and unavoidable.
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by t ball on May 29, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering
the Rangers saw enough in him in 46 games at AA to promote him
and the Rangers saw enough of him in 31 games at AAA to promote him
I don’t thinks folks are being any less patient than the Rangers were promoting him up going off of 45 games this year.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I heard that
a month ago.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not from me
I’m psychic, and Miles’ sources in Cincinnati told me.
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by t ball on May 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Davis is at the point now where he would strike out
at the All-Star game home run derby
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on May 29, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dropped Davis for Loney
in my fantasy league….usually when I do something like this, the player dropped gets hot…let’s hope it works!
by cspott on May 29, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how the hell is loney around in your league?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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