Friday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on May 29, 2009 9:39 AM CDT
174 comments
Doubleheader today against the A's.
Tommy Hunter is being called up today to make the start in game one, although it is up in the air as to who will be added for game 2, or what move will be made to make room for Hunter.
There are a couple of things the Rangers could do. They could cut loose Kris Benson, and then add Doug Mathis after game 1 to replace Benson in the long relief role.
Or they could put Matt Harrison on the d.l. to make room for Hunter, and then call up someone already on the 40 man -- Luis Mendoza, perhaps -- to take Hunter's spot after game 1.
My guess is that Benson is cut loose and Mathis takes over as the long man in the bullpen for the Rangers.
Jeff Wilson has an item about Chris Davis trying to work through his struggles, with this explanation as to why he's late on fastballs:
Jaramillo wants Rangers hitters to start their swing when a pitcher breaks his hands. But because Davis doesn’t fully trust his mechanics, his bat has been late and pitchers are routinely beating him with fastballs.
"It’s somewhat mechanical, but it’s more mental than anything," Jaramillo said. "A lot of times you can have the best plan when you step in the box, but if you don’t trust it, then things get out of whack."
Davis is focused on getting the kinks worked out of his swing. His contributions as an above-average fielder are helping him stay in the lineup, and he hasn’t been a total bust at the plate.
The end of Davis’ struggles is near, Jaramillo said.
Wilson also has a new Rangers mailbag up.
Jim Reeves has a column up about David McDavid's ongoing discussions with Tom Hicks about buying the Rangers, with McDavid saying he will either have a controlling interest or won't buy. Reeves also says that while Hicks is valuing the club at about $600 million -- which is what Forbes puts it at -- the current market makes it more in the $400-450 million range, which would be less than what the San Diego Padres sold for, and which would be an almost shockingly low figure for the club.
Richard Durrett has some quotes from Nolan Ryan about the ownership situation, as well as apost about Darren O'Day's thoughts on Mike Maddux.
And T.R. Sullivan has some bloggy notes up.
0 recs |
174 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
Good info from Rudy
Makes perfect sense why Davis can’t catch up to a fastball right down the middle. He’s got the tools, he just needs to quit thinking and start trusting the tools.
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on May 29, 2009 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
O'Day
has something good to say about a Ranger pitching coach’s adjustment?
At least that’s something I don’t remember a lot of in the Connor era.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
I feel like I’ve slipped through a rabbit hole and landed in a whole new dimension. Rangers pitchers praising the adjustments of the pitching coach? Madness!!!
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on May 29, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure am glad that Habid dufus hasn't waddled his way over here yet
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 29, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Encouraging comments from McDavid
It sounds like, if he does the deal, he wants Nolan to be an integral part of the club management. That’s good, because keeping Nolan at the helm increases the likelihood that the new ownership group stays the course, so to speak.
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on May 29, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think he's going to fire JD and make Widetrack the new GM
by LiamP on May 29, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Widetrack
but a nice fern to put into JD’s former office would be suffice.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
you’ve stumbled upon a good position for yourself.
by jasonhh on May 29, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jasonh
You’re kinda like Antoine Walker on a really bad shooting night when it comes to firing funny lines but don’t let your ineptitude kill your motivation.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
that you thought it was an attempt at humor.
I have potted plants that have displayed more variety in growing foliage, than you display in your F.O. opinions, Wash opinions, etc.
by jasonhh on May 29, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another air ball, Jason
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, today is the day he gets outs of his slump
Then again, I’ve been hoping that today’s the day for a while now.
On the club value thing, didn’t Forbes just say that the club was only worth 450 million or something?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how much did Hicks pay for the club originally?
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on May 29, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
around
a quarter billion.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your sig caused me to check the latest over at Crops
Evidently Guillermo Moscoso is a journeyman. He’s too skinny, too old, and too weak to be a legit prospect.
I’m glad to know that.
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on May 29, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm concerned
that Crops isn’t getting updated as frequently, and some of the other writers have deserted Finerty.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finnery seemed to really have his feelings hurt from the last time he came over here
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the comments to him
were pretty douchey, I thought.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you plagiarize
and start spamming a crappy blog, you get douchey responses.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
And the thing is, his take on Moscoso has merit.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 29, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's overstated,
but yes, it has some merit.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well yes
thats obvious, even from me
but to say hes not worth jack because of whats “against him” (size, etc) is dumb
hes a legit, top 15 guy in our farm system imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 29, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
problem is
that he didn’t support his position in his blog with any facts.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 29, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a distressing turn of events
You can’t get that sort of prospect analysis just anywhere.
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on May 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially
with Nadia gone.
You can really see the crisis in sports journalism.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot believe people are getting cold feet about a
possible ownership change.
Tom Hicks has been the biggest hurdle to this thing for the last 10 years and it would be very difficult to find somebody as incompetent as he has been since he became owner of the team.
The population in this area has jumped at least one million since ‘98 and the interest in sports is higher than it has ever been yet the Rangers’ attendance is somehow down nearly a million people.
Losing Tom Hicks would be one of the biggest positives that could ever happen to this thing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not so much about losing hicks
as it is fear of the unknown.
and would a new owner continue down the path of spending money in the draft and latin american free agent market.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 29, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better the devil you know.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ever dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight?
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
ElectricOkra.com
by WhipSmart on May 29, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does it have to be
pale? Can’t you dance with the devil under partly cloudy skies at 10 a.m.?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its all about how it sounds
\
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course a new owner would continue to plow money
into our famed “Latin American program” (anybody from there close to The Show yet?) but I’d like to see an owner who also had a market appropriate payroll.
It’s not a must to have a high payroll to win but it’s apparently a big deal if you want to have the good to very good attendance. Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t know of any small market payroll teams who consistently kill it at the gate.
The Texas Rangers are one of the all-time sleeping giants in professional sports today and the right owner could make this one of the more viable & valuable franchises out there.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Neftali from the program??
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on May 29, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
neftali
he came from a trade, so he cant fairly be included as the rangers latin american program.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 29, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neftali & Elvis
Both from the Braves’ Latin American program, but IIRC, the Rangers scouted and tried to sign both of them as amateurs.
Which is another reason it’s a good idea to invest heavily down there- you may not sign a player initially, but if you’ve scouted them, you have a better idea of what Latin players might be worth targeting in trades. I’m sure that Engel Beltre and Carlos Melo fit that pattern as well.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 29, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
read somewhere
that they were way in on andrus (wanted him badly) and that they were in on beltre as well
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 29, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the "Latin American Program" was formulated
at the same time we decided we couldn’t use Carlos Delgado which was before the 2005 season.
Curious when we can expect one of these homegrown LA types to ever get to The Show seeing as we’re apparently plowing so much money into this.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Asshole
we could trade Perez for a ton of guys in the show right now and he didnt cost 700,000 bucks, or less than a lot of 2nd rounder we’ve given contracts to.
and we have never spent 1m bucks on a single guy.
but your right, “we’re apparently plowing so much money into this”
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I take this to mean
that nobody has come up to The Show from our vaunted “Latin American Program”?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my second favorite one.
Right after the Nic Cage “My hair is a bird” one, of course.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's see
If the program started in 2005, that would mean the first group of those players (assuming they were 16-17 at the time) would be 20-21 now.
So it’s not exactly a huge surprise that none of them have reached the majors yet.
And like I said above, Andrus and Feliz were both players the Rangers scouted heavily, and attempted to sign, and almost certainly targeted in the Teixeira trade because of that.
I suppose by your logic, we should give up our Pacific Rim program as well. Hell, let’s throw out the amateur draft while we’re at it, since most of those guys won’t ever reach the majors, and the ones that do take 3-5 years to get here.
What’s the use of a freaking farm system, anyway? Just a waste of money that could be spent on a major-league club.
Are you really that willfully obtuse, or do you not get the very strong correlation between having a good minor league system and being a successful major-league club long-term?
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 29, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't weighed in on how I feel about our vaunted
“Latin American Program” one way or another but I was just curious if any had reached The Show .
Apparently the answer is no.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the years of a latino player
signing and being in the major leagues 3 years later are slim to none.
do you expect to see michael yona up for the a’s in 3 years? the players who jump from being signed to the major leagues in 3 years are few and far between
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 29, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And there’s a very good reason why, as both I (above) and Gdawg1 (below) have pointed out.
That doesn’t make it any less valid an investment- especially when Andrus and Feliz are indirectly products of that investment.
I’d think, given what a knowledgable and long-time Ranger fan that you are, that you’d be pretty aware of what prior efforts in Latin America have brought this team over the years.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 29, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's running out of arguments
The team is playing well, his favorite arguments have proven to be completely wrong and now he’s got to move elsewhere.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 29, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's never been the same since he
had to quit using the phrase " magic beans"
by BEW on May 29, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see
Our vaunted LA program started a few years ago. Most of the top players signed there are 16 or 17 years old. Fucking cut them already. All these losers that aren’t even 20 yet haven’t made it to the Majors. Bunch of sorry losers.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SERIOUS brain fart on my part.... nothing to see here...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on May 29, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that serious
If the Rangers didn’t scout him so well before he was signed, we might not have asked for him in the Tex haul.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be all for it
if the owner spent more at the MLB level as well as continued the investment in Draft and LA signings.
How would you feel if we had signed Ben Sheets, or if we do sign him and he pitches the last two months of the season and next year?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on May 29, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
close to the show?
shit man, players don’t just reach “the show” overnight. But they could be some damn fine valuable trade chips.
And jd’s magic beans are showing something in the show this season.
But yes, a higher payroll would be nice but theres no need to turn into boston or the yankees
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 29, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
In Joseyland, players are only worth anything if they’ve made it to The Show. Otherwise, they’re just magic beans that should be completely ignored, unless JD trades for them.
Then, he’s bombing the system back to the Stone Age, getting absolutely killed on the deal, and probably should go back to selling donuts, that is, if his diaper isn’t dirty that day.
Did I miss anything?
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 29, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Show currently includes
a lot of players Daniels is responsible for acquiring.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
We could trade them for Ted Lilly, Top Of The Rotation Starter.
by Adam J. Morris on May 29, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome.
World Series, here we come!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 29, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep!!!
Lilly is what we need…an extreme flyball pitcher who has struggled in the A.L., and who is making $12 million this year and next year…
Give them all the magic beans they want to get him here!
by Adam J. Morris on May 29, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sold... lets send them feliz and perez!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 29, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both bums!
Lilly’s big toe is worth more than those two combine.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 29, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be great
to get a Top of the Rotation Starter for only 2 magic beans.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. It's all about the TORG-per-MB ratio.
If JD were older and wiser and not a glorified donut salesman, he’d know this.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam
Would the Lilly signing come before or after we trade Davis and then re-sign Blalock to a $30 million contract?
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 29, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right after the press conference
Ryan gives saying he never really liked Daniels and was just being nice when he said he did. Then he’ll announce that Daniels doesn’t really do anything, they just give him busy work and coloring books.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got happy pants!!
Ted Lilly is the savior, the holy grail!
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 29, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said Lilly was a top of the rotation starter, Adam
He is a helluva lot better than both Millwood & Padilla.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, you are so just loosing any credibility you remotely had.
Milly’s 162 game avg for his career: 4.03 ERA/ 108 ERA+ 1.306 WHIP
Lilly’s 162 game avg for his career: 4.38 ERA/ 104 ERA+ 1.310 WHIP
and Millwood average a full two games more per season of innings pitche.
Please tell me how Lilly is “helluva” lot better than Millwood?? Good try though!!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on May 29, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How have those pitchers done since 2007?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so just 2007 and 2008 matter??
How does that make a pitcher just picking 2 years of their each 10+ years career? great argument. Way to pick the “years and stats” that work for you instead of looking at the full body of work!! Well done sir!!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on May 29, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're looking to help your team THIS year
it would seem to make to sense to weigh the most recent stats a little heavier, doncha think?
Jeeeez, Curt Schilling has had a great career, much better than Ted Lilly but who would help your team more this year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok sure, so take this year then.
Looks to me like Milly is having a better year, again, than Lilly, who is pitching in the NL. I never said Lilly was terrible our wouldnt help this team but your notion that he is “helluva” lot better than Milly is just absurd! its idiotic to make that statement, but hey, its just josey
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on May 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly has been the much better pitcher (compared
to Millwood) since 2007. Period.
I advocated trading for Lilly this year (not as some kind of top of the rotation starter) as somebody who is relatively cheap given his stellar production, can help you this year and will also be a great replacement for Padilla when he leaves after this year.
I think Brandon McCarthy is fragile and an injury waiting to happen. Millwood & Padilla have spent lots o time on the DL over the last 3 years and I’m still trying to figure out what we have with the now injured Matt Harrison.
To think we can count on the current starters on this pitching staff to carry us to October is brain-dead.
We need at least two more arms in the bully and a starting pitcher who can be counted on to post.
Ted Lilly should be one of the pitchers that JD submits to Nolan as a possible acquisition.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly
Here’s why I don’t see a deal for Lilly happening:
- He’s signed through 2010, so the Cubs don’t have any incentive to move him this summer.
- If his contract is friendly enough for the Rangers’ budget, it’s certainly friendly enough for the Cubs’ payroll.
- Lilly has a full no-trade clause. Not many pitchers waive those to come to Texas.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 29, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did not know about the full NTC
for Lilly.
AJM was asking about pitchers the Rangers could trade for and I thought Lilly (who is not a top of the rotation starter) would be a good candidate if the Cubs circle the drain and are looking to shed some payroll.
Then I got my shit jumped about what a bad idea it supposedly was. People jumped my shit about what a bad idea it was until they actually look at what Lilly has done the last two years-plus as a Cub. Then they runaway like a thief in the night.
With the wild card in the mix, it’s difficult to guess in the end of May who is going to be available by the end of July.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly
I didn’t know either- just did a Google search out of curiosity.
I wouldn’t necessarily mind having him either, especially given his left-handedness, though I agree with Adam that his flyball tendencies are a bit concerning.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 29, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're going to trade for a starter
I just don’t see why you’d pick Lilly over a bunch of other guys that might have more impact and/or be more suitable to the Rangers situation and ballpark.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what, RC Cook
Fuck the fly-ball tendencies.
He can flat-out pitch and leftys tend to do much better in Arlington plus Wrigley Field can be a tough place to pitch as well.
Adam doesn’t want Lilly here because I was out front saying the Rangers should get him before 2007 and wouldn’t have any part of it.
Lilly then goes 37-22 (or somesuch) with something like 53 Game Scores of 50+ in 77 starts and Adam is still never going to admit I was right and he was dead-wrong.
Fly-ball tendencies…my ass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly
He’s fairly homer-prone (28 in 2007, 32 last year, and 10 already this year) so yeah, I’d say he’s probably a fly-ball pitcher.
That doesn’t make him a bad pitcher.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 29, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fergie Jenkins & Bert Blyleven
were both homer prone as well but it didn’t stop from being good pitchers.
Not saying that Lilly is = to Jenkins/Blyleven.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt that Lilly has anywhere near the other stats of those two...
Willing to bet Fergie and Bert gave up a lot of solo shots.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on May 29, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers 1 Cubs 1
Lilly 7 IP, 4 hits
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How has Lilly done when pitching in the AL?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly has a lifetime ERA of 4.52 in the AL
Millwood has an ERA of 5.11 the last two years in the AL.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys wanna talk about Game Scores of 50+
re Lilly & Millwood over the last two+ years?
Let me know if you do.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we have to go by the
last two years for Milly why not go by his lifetime ERA in the AL just like you did for Lilly.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 29, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly hasn't pitched in the AL
since 2006.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you are going by his lifetime ERA in the AL
You should do the same for Millwood.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 29, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly vs Millwood
Millwood has an AL ERA crown, FWIW. Which he won the year before signing with Texas.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 29, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without looking
wasn’t Schilling or Jason Schmidt pretty good also back in 2005?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not asking about Millwood
Do you think if Lilly came here and posted a 4.52 ERA that he would be worth the 12 million he’s owed and be better than the options the Rangers currently have?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
possibly true
but the concern isn’t over Hicks, its over his possible replacement.
Hicks is an evil everyone is familiar with.
by jasonhh on May 29, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait
until our AAAA pitching options aren’t Mathis and Mendoza
I have an irrational hatred of Chris Davis because his Ks are way too ugly and irrational liking of Matt Harrison because he's a lefty - deal with it.
by JBImaknee on May 29, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think most of us read Jaramillo's quote and don't see anything except
“The end is near”.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Jaramillo
ever say bad things about a hitter in the press? Which is a smart move on his part.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would doubt it
Then again, he doesn’t have to say anything at all about Davis if he really felt that he wasn’t going to do anything. Or this could be part of trying to help him out by telling everyone that he believes Davis will get out of it soon.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 29, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he is right
and he starts a massive hitting streak today. Obviously that would be the best thing for the Rangers.
"I'd praised catcher Max Ramirez two weeks ago, but after his continued struggles I'm increasingly convinced he's not going to pan out." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My ideal Davis line
2-2, with two walks with a single and a double
I have an irrational hatred of Chris Davis because his Ks are way too ugly and irrational liking of Matt Harrison because he's a lefty - deal with it.
by JBImaknee on May 29, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LD
single and double.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 29, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I’d rather see LDs than HRs at this point. I’d settler for 2 walks and two lineouts.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see him start taking some pitches to opposite field
I posted this the other day, don’t know if you saw it, but it seems to illustrate part of the problem. When CD was successful last year, over half his HR (10 of 17)were left of CF. This year, the few balls that he makes contact with are all being pulled.
This year. Click the drop down tab at upper right to see last year’s plot.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on May 29, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just dropped him from my fantasy team
so he’s due to go on a tear…mark it down
Future Rangers - Minor League Information
by fightingengineer on May 29, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Place Mother Effin' Texas Rangers!!!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 29, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 11 recs
Now I can start my day!
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
REC!
Bring on the weaksister A’s so we can build our self-esteem back up!!!
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
by BigGuns on May 29, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great photo
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by NothinG on May 29, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
even though it's Nick Swisher?
don’t you have an unreasonable hatred of him?
I have an irrational hatred of Chris Davis because his Ks are way too ugly and irrational liking of Matt Harrison because he's a lefty - deal with it.
by JBImaknee on May 29, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well He's no Ryan Sweeney
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on May 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eff Ryan Sweeney
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on May 29, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Swisher the type that
you hate when he is on the other team but love when he is on your team?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 29, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard the same argument made about Eric Byrnes
Again, NO.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than the one Lackey comment, what has Byrd done to be lumped in w/ those two bagodouches?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 29, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I quit the NBA in 06
My free time is too valuable for all the shennanigans.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 29, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tuesday Night...
…in that game there was a foul ball that caremed off the wall towards Swisher. He went over to glove it to toss to the crowd and just miffed this verrrrry slowly moving grounder and the home run porch went nuts jeering him (where I was sitting). I hate Nick Swisher, but he took it in stride and was laughing. Pretty good stuff. I almost hate him a little less.
by FuturePants on May 29, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the Swisher hate
He falls into that same class of kind of goofy, kind of silly serious A’s player that people seem annoyed by. Byrnes and Giambi fall into the same category. They really rile up people like Adam for some reason.
I much more hate the Teixeira/ARod types (of local relevance) who take themselves way too seriously and seem miserable while on the field.
I have an irrational hatred of Chris Davis because his Ks are way too ugly and irrational liking of Matt Harrison because he's a lefty - deal with it.
by JBImaknee on May 29, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random Joke to kick off Double Header FriDay!!!!!!
A van driver used to amuse himself by running over every Yankee fan he would see strutting down the side of the road, dressed in their ubiquitous pinstripes. He would swerve to hit them and there would be a loud “THUMP” and then he would swerve back on the road.
One day, as the driver was driving along, he saw a priest hitchhiking. He thought he would do a good turn and pulled the van over. He asked the Priest, “Where are you going, Father?”
“I’m going to say mass at St. Joseph’s church, about two miles down the road,” replied the priest.
“No problem Father! I’ll give you a lift. Climb in!”
The happy priest climbed into the passenger seat and the van continued down the road. Suddenly the driver saw a Yankee fan walking down the road and instinctively swerved to hit him. But, just in time, he remembered the f’n priest, so at the last minute he swerved back to the road, narrowly missing the man.
However even though he was certain he missed the arrogant yankee shit, he still heard a loud “THUD.” Not understanding where the noise came from, he glanced in his mirrors and when he didn’t see anything he turned to the priest and said
“I’m sorry Father, I almost hit that Yankee fan,”
“That’s okay,” replied the priest. “I got the fucker with the door!”
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
funnny
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on May 29, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "n" means extra.
This thing goes to 11…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 29, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I approve of this message
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
ElectricOkra.com
by WhipSmart on May 29, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found our new owner!!!
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever seen the original edit of that movie where it turned out she was the good guy and had masterminded this whole thing as a way to make them winners?
I’m glad they edited that out.
The movie works so much better as is.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
That sounds terrible. But honestly, like that was seriously going to be the plot?
by FuturePants on May 29, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, it's on the Wild Thing Edition DVD. It's shitty.
Here’s the description from IMDB.
SPOILER: In the film’s original ending, Rachel Phelps admits before the final game that her bitchy persona was all an act in order to fire up the players. She says had they not had a good season, the team might have gone bankrupt. Audiences preferred the bitchy Rachel, so the ending was re-shot to show her misery when the Indians won. The alternate ending appears on the Wild Thing Edition DVD.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on May 29, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow that ending would stink
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 29, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, terrible.
If it woulda ended like that I never would’ve got my trimmed like Rick Vaughn.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Ryin A on May 29, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm... dare I ask WHAT you got trimmed like Vaughn's
ain’t typos fun??
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on May 29, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his merkin
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 29, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I so wish the Rangers would trade for
Merkin Valdez how great would that be?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually, it's the other way around
They end up changing the darker endings to rich and vibrant feelwarmandfuzziness. Yuck.
Which of course, is akin to depositing a bodacious stanley steamer all over the what the writer, director, and cast had worked so hard to create.
I bet you that if No Country for Old Men had been a studio flick, there would be a bunch of suits clamoring for Chigurh to either go down in a blazing gunfight, shot dead by the tenacious Sheriff Bell, or end up cuffed and stuffed, vowing “NO JAIL CAN HOLD ME, SHERIFF! DA DA DAH! (sequel segue setup).”
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 29, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
beating up on the bad guy at the end IS the fuzzy warm ending. We all like to pretend we have that much control over our lives. Having the bad guy (gal) turn out to be good deprives us of our vengeance.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed homey
Reread, you’ll see that was the point I was making.
In NCFOM, the bad guy gets away sans comeuppance.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 29, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see it
That’s on my ever lengthening list. Just watched a great old movie, The Hill, with Connery. Good flick with a poignant ending.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Roger Dorn??
my sig is better than yours
by hinduplaya on May 29, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone seriously think this?
Mendoza called up again in 2009? Really? I know the Rangers haven’t given up yet, and if they call up Mendoza again this year, I will seriously question the team’s decision making process.
by Mark from OC on May 29, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
roster moves
Any guesses on the roster moves today? If Hunter is effective today could they keep him around in the bullpen?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 29, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Benson DFA'd is my guess
After the game Hunter goes down and Mathis gets the call.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 29, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
Delucci DFA’d. Can he play 1B? :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 29, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dumpmaster D!!!
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on May 29, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No that was DRo
Mark DeRosa was Dumpmaster D
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 29, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close enough.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 29, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which position player would you remove from the 40?
by Mark from OC on May 29, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bannister?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nippert
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 29, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nips on the dl still
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 29, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
efvqew
CD of course. :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 29, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
40, not 25
No problem with sending Davis down to get his mind back in the game. And, obviously, if they sign someone to play 1b Davis goes to AAA.
by Mark from OC on May 29, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
generally means: not serious, joking, just kidding or sarcasm. At least by me it does.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on May 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
So I can’t read net sarcasm, call me dumb.
No worries
by Mark from OC on May 29, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since we are playing the A's
Josh: “from 0-2 to 2-2, with the tying man at third…crack…smoked into right field, Jermaine Dye…CAN’T GET IT! ONE RUN IS IN…AND THE RANGERS LOOKING TO WIN IT…THE RANGERS HAVE WON IT!”
Tom: giggle
Call 1-800-DOCTORB. The B is for bargain!
by Panorama on May 29, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone still mad the Rangers trade him
other than Mark Teixeira?
I have an irrational hatred of Chris Davis because his Ks are way too ugly and irrational liking of Matt Harrison because he's a lefty - deal with it.
by JBImaknee on May 29, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
Related FanPosts on Lone Star Ball
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2009 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
