Monday morning Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2009 9:48 AM CDT
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Impressive outing by Matt Harrison. In the second inning in his last start, I had mentally thrown in the towel on him, and was pretty much ready to see the Rangers send him back to Oklahoma when Kris Benson was healthy, or else move Derek Holland into the rotation into his place.
And I'm not sure what exactly happened, but it is like a switch flipped...he's allowed 0 runs in his last ten innings, he's been throwing strikes, it is like he's a whole new pitcher out there. This looks like the guy who the Rangers traded for, the guy who was a BA top 100 prospect.
Anthony Andro focuses on how two key parts of the Mark Teixeira trade -- Harrison and Elvis Andrus -- fueled yesterday's 5-1 win. But Ozzie Guillen wasn't impressed with Harrison:
"What did I see out of him?" Guillen said of Harrison. "He throws strikes. He was in deep counts all the time and walking people. But he got the win. To me, whoever got the 'W', that's the one who is the best. I don't care how good or bad he throws."
Harrison actually didn't issue any walks yesterday, although he did go deeper in counts than you'd like, and his pitch count was too high for 5 innings. But I'll take that from him right now...
Jeff Miller's story includes comments from Ron Washington about keeping Andrus in the #2 hole while Josh Hamilton is out, although he then indicated that David Murphy might get some time there, as well.
With Jarrod Saltalamacchia recovered from his eye problem, Max Ramirez is heading back to AAA, and Greg Golson is coming up to take his place on the roster.
Kris Benson's rehab start went fine from a health standpoint, andT.R. Sullivan says the question now isn't whether he'll replace Scott Feldman -- who is apparently sticking in the rotation -- but whether he'll be activated immediately to replace Luis Mendoza in the bullpen.
Gil LeBreton says that, while the Danks/McCarthy trade was a backstory for this weekend's series, it is time to let that go and move on.
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Guh.
Golson? I don’t have any ill will toward him, but why the disrespect for my boy Boggs? I am displeased.
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by ghtd36 on May 4, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Boggs nursing a nagging injury?
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by DerekSTheRed on May 4, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His shoulder is sore right now.
Same shoulder that he hurt last season.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 4, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because whoever...
they bring up isn’t going to play unless there is an injury anyway. This way Boggs can keep playing everyday and if the Rangers need a pinch runner late in the game they can use Golson. At least that would be my guess.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 4, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
The shoulder injury is the main reason
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see...
I didn’t know his shoulder was still a concern. That sucks.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 4, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me either until this came down
Did he have surgery last season or did he opt for just rest to heal it? I wonder if this thing is going to nag him all season
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe he had surgery...
could be wrong though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 4, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sucks
I hope this doesn’t linger and hurt his development.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me either.
I rescind my previous outrage.
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by ghtd36 on May 4, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, Benson to the BP.
I was theorizing this yesterday. I would like to know if he is kosher with this or not. I would guess he is just happy to be in the bigs and healthy again, but wonder if he has the option to refuse a bullpen assignment.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 4, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he can't refuse a bullpen assignment
That would be like Soriano refusing to play the outfield.
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by DerekSTheRed on May 4, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he could go on Operation Shutdown
And just sit on a chair with his arms crossed and refuse to warm up when the call comes from the dugout.
That would be awesome.
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Operation Shutdown jokes...
…never get old to me.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on May 4, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if Benson asked
JD for his release he would give it to him. Also, I believe he has another rehab start scheduled for later this week in Frisco. Another rough outing and JD may release him anyhow.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you rather have Benson or Mendoza as your long man at this point?
I think no matter what happens in the rehab start, Benson is gonna take mendoza’s place. I do agree with you though, JD isnt too concerned about Benson, he might be decent enough in the pen, but if he asked for his release, JD would gladly grant it to him
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 4, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
by Chase Irwin on May 4, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mathis?
He has been pitching well at OKC.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not on the 40, though
While Benson and the Dozer are.
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess once you get rid of Benson
it comes down to who you wanna add to the 40 also.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm, yea, I think they'll give Benson some time
and wait to see who does the best in OKC over a longer period of time. I do like Mathis and i think he could be effective in that role.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mathis
id rather see benson, mendoza, diamond, moscosc, etc before mathis
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could live with Benson, maybe.
But I don’t see how Diamond or Moscoso have done anything to warrant being moved up to the bullpen before Mathis.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
YOU could live with Anna Benson
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way in hell I could live with Anna Benson
One night stand or a booty call type of thing, probably. Living with that craziness? No way.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he actually gets the divorce
automatic cy young?
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who gives a shit if he's kosher to it
he better like it. he better LOVE it.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 4, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad my eyesight works
my ears still hurt from Jon, Joe and Steve last night.
I’d want a do-over on that Volquez-Hamilton trade if I was Texas.
Jeez
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(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There was so much wrong with that broadcast team...
….and that was really bad. What bothered me was how many times they kept insinuating that Texas teams can’t really hit well at all, but it’s simply due to our hitters’ paradise that we get any offense. Kept saying everyone is just a mediocre hitter but buoyed by the park. Ugh.
by FuturePants on May 4, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only guy they'd ever admit to being any good would probably be
Hamilton just because he’s the only one they’ve ever seen on ESPN… Their lack of knowledge about baseball is a fail.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seemed like they wanted to go after Rangers pitching last night, too.
And they promptly handed the visiting team a one-run loss, from their #5 starter no less.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
they were really doting on Kinsler too. They love the guy. Leadoff home runs will do that for you.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But I can tell they learned everything they could about Kinsler during the commercials after the homerun.
Morgan for instance learned he was a 2nd basemen and that he’s “up and coming”… great analysis.
by TRanger on May 4, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
That early in the broadcast (after the home run), Morgan agreed that Kinsler was “pretty good!”
by FuturePants on May 4, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan
From what I can tell really knows nothing about baseball analysis. I already miss FJM
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness to Joe
He hasn’t seen these guys play because he hasn’t broadcast one of their games yet. And he really can’t comment on a player without having seen them play.
However, they could stand to be more cosistent. Like Gary Sheffield. He is the most cosistent hitter in baseball. He reminds me of Davey Concepcion. Who played on the Big Red Machine.
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
My favorite Joe line ever
No way in hell he ever watches a team play when he isn’t broadcasting the game. Because its so much work and its only his job to be familiar with these players.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn’t seen these guys play because he hasn’t broadcast one of their games yet. And he really can’t comment on a player without having seen them play.
for a min i thought you were serious
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, after reading enough JoeChats
I think that is a borderline serious interpretation of his life as a baseball commentator.
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to make their analysis even more mind-boggling
Steve Phillips rambled on about how Rudy was the best hitting coach in the game, and if he were a GM again he’d pay whatever it would take to hire Rudy away.
So, is it the hitting coach or the park?
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then he rambled on his prepared speech about pitching winning ballgames
I had to credit Joe Morgan with arguing with him on that one.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprisingly...
…wasn’t it also Morgan who said the Rangers would not do-over the Volquez-Hamilton trade?
by FuturePants on May 4, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol. yes it was
and i never heard his say, “slide-piece” last night.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it was Steve Philips that wanted the do-over on Volquez/Hamilton trade.
Of course he didn’t do his research to find that EV and Texas just didn’t mesh (thank you Mark Connor.)
by awillis111 on May 4, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
think you may have misread this one.
Morgan who said the Rangers would not do-over the Volquez-Hamilton trade
but yes, it was Phillips who said last night that he wanted to do a lot of stupid things if he was in charge.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about...
…How they rambled on for awhile about how “Nolan Ryan is THE man. Makes ALL the decisions. He skipped GM and is now in charge.” Are they aware we have a GM? (That question is not for J.W.)
by FuturePants on May 4, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN was a better news network in the past
their announcing teams have always been questionable. Remember the absolute meltdown that was their first MNF team?
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
the meltdown right now that is Tony Kornheiser
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally
There really is nothing positive about ESPN at this point.
by FuturePants on May 4, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah there is!
They fired Steven Ass Smith…I heard anyways. I haven’t watched them in years.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 4, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its still better than
Theisman. I’m sorry he was probably the second worst person I’ve ever seen in a football booth, just behind Gumble.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didnt think he was too bad in that one game
where he stepped in for dick vermil — maybe that wasnt deion though
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"At what level?"
Doctor please. Some more of these.
by tricer on May 4, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, i found his commentary
really entertaining, at times over the top, but still entertaining b/c he’s so rediculous
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's definately not boring..unlike "pound the strikezone"
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dennis Miller?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greatness
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on May 4, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1 love him
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The part where they raved about him skipping GM to go to President was so weird.
Steve Phillips was actually a real, live GM. Does he not understand they aren’t different ranks in the same department? That they are different jobs?
by philkid3 on May 5, 2009 5:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was like
they were talking about a prospect skipping a level or something.
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by t ball on May 5, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillips also said
that Rudy would be on his “dream team” of coaches. He went on to say that instead of paying $1.5M for a bench player or middle reliever, that money should be spent on the best hitting and pitching coaches.
I believe Rudy is already the highest paid hitting coach and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was paid $1.5M. Isn’t Maddux one of the highest paid pitching coaches?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
found this
The salary was not disclosed, but the Rangers did confirm that their previous offer included an annual raise from his most recent contract. With a $400,000 annual salary, Jaramillo was the highest-paid hitting coach in the majors.
OK, $1.5M is a bit high. I would bet his current contract that expires at the end of this season was 2yr/$1M.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought they extended his contract
it would be nice if you could trade a hitting coach for young talent before his contract ran out :), or he could be a type A free agent.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by NothinG on May 4, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To add on to that
Phillips made a comment about how the Rangers are a small market team now and can’t afford to pay their coaches the big money, so if he were GM, he would offer $1.5 mil and steal away Rudy.
It’s this type of planning and research that made Steve Phillips a fantastic GM…
by cstorm15 on May 4, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
The sheer stupidity and absolute lack of preparation from those guys last night was absolutely mind boggling.
by FuturePants on May 4, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its that type of planning and research
that has guys like Kruk also saying Hamilton will be in a Yankees jersey a couple of years from now.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
During the HR Derby
That is exactly what that moron Chris Berman said.
by FuturePants on May 4, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
steve phillips
kazmir for zambrano
’nuff said
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this was mentioned several times
last night, it was dan duquette who deal kazmir, not phillips
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by studcrackers on May 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ART HOWE
what happen to art howe
by bullfighter20032000 on May 4, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahhaha...
McCarthy > Danks
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 4, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Ozzie Guillen isn't on the Harrison bandwagon
even more reason for y’all to get on now.
Seriously. I think that Harrison has the potential to be to this team what they wanted Danks to be (and very possibly wouldn’t have become had he stayed). If he builds on these last two games, he can be a very effective middle of the rotation pitcher for the Rangers
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Ozzie even watch the game?
Or does he just automatically regurgitate comments about the opposing pitcher getting deep counts and walking people?
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, he did ask Joe Morgan though...
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 4, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't exactly hate on Harrison
he just said he wasn’t efficient, and actually, he wasn’t too efficient. But from our view, he did exactly what we could have hoped for, battling in big situations when the hitters were working counts. I think these last two games have been a huge step forward in the maturation of Matt Harrison. It is SO refreshing to be patient with a pitcher and then to actually be rewarded with progress instead of regression.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 4, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is nice to see Harrison improving at this rate
I was definitely pretty ready to throw him to the wolves before these last two starts.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by NothinG on May 4, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said this in the post-game thread too
but you have to give the White Sox some credit for working those counts. Harrison threw 62 of his 100 pitches for strikes. That’s not bad at all. The White Sox were just doing a hell of a job at fouling balls off and extending the AB.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and they took alot of close pitches as well
that could have been called strikes etc.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by NothinG on May 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my impression, too
the Sox were had some good at bats, a little of both.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ozzie is referring to the hit totals. If the Chisox bunch those hits together, they have a more runs.
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by DerekSTheRed on May 4, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well yea
thats the case for any team
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look up "prick" in the dictionary
you will find a picture of Ozzie.
by death of the cool on May 4, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The hopeful side of me
says that as Harrison gets used to his new pacing, he’ll get a bit more efficient as well. He was in deep counts last night, but I didn’t really have the feeling it was because he was nibbling or out of control. He stayed focused when he got into trouble and stepped up every time he had to. A really good effort. It’s one thing when your starter only gives you 5 innings and gives up 4 or 5 runs in the process. It’s another when he hands the bullpen a shutout to protect.
I continue to be impressed with Andrus. He is the anti-Mendoza, looking like he belongs even when he makes a rookie mistake. Good job last night at the plate, on the base paths, and in the field.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5 innings with 0 runs allowed
I ran the numbers once, and that gives your team something like a 75% chance of winning the ballgame.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
in 2007, it gave their teams a 78% chance of winning the game.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who remembers former Rangers' great Mike Wood's start in Oakland?
Five scoreless. I thought he was going to be a rotation cog after that
by oc on May 4, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And speaking of defense
The Rangers remain in the top 5 in UZR and UZR/150, currently in 3rd behind Seattle and Tampa. Leading baseball at 1B, 4th at 2B, slightly above avg. at SS, last at 3B. The OF is in 4th place overall.
http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&type=0&season=2009&month=0
Meanwhile, the rotation is 6th in innings pitched, after finishing dead last in 2008. The defense and rotation should make the bullpen better this year if they can keep this up, which makes me very optimistic about the team finishing at .500 or better.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only we didn't have a shitty offense.
by tyd3311 on May 4, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our offense is only great because of Rudy Jaramillo
without him at the plate, we’re nothing. That’s our problem….wait. He’s our problem!
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by NothinG on May 4, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the Ballpark
I saw a groundball carry to the LF stands once.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tony la russa baseball -style
bunt it over the fence!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols would comply.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affirmative.
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by Maximilian on May 4, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember that ball that
was hit off the plate and ended up in the Rangers bullpen? Some serious carry there. Laird was convinced it should have been a HR until someone reminded him that Figgins plays for the other team.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plays for the other team?
Hey now, no need to call him gay!
;)
by Inkara1 on May 4, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
has there been a major shortfall by the SP
this year in one of the 24 games?
I mean, where our SP has given up an obscene amount of runs and failed to go 5 IP?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
a couple of piss poor starts by Harrison, but even then he mostly managed to get through 4 or 5 with only 5 runs allowed
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can only remember
one start this year where the pitcher didn’t go at least 5. That was Padilla, he was pulled in the 4th.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on May 4, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kris Benson vs. Detroit
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
by FirebatM3 on May 4, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow,
the rotation innings thing is the trend im loving… The defense is really encouraging, but id be suprised if we finish top 10 at the end of the year… I expect us to finish right in the middle of the Majors in terms of defense, which is ok.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
90 wins or bust
.500 doesn’t cut it per…
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of those balls were VEEEEEERY close...
and could’ve induced more swings, too…they were playing a patient game with him
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 4, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you will never be accused of nibbling if you can hit your spots
He is still aiming for the same spots as before, it’s just that he is hitting them now
by Telegraph on May 4, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie Guillen
is a crybaby. He’s like a little kid. He insults anyone who beats him, leaves him, or even hints at being happy somewhere else. Did you see him screaming at O’Day Saturday night when O’Day was trying to say Konerko swung at the pitch that hit him? For a guy who once berated his own pitcher for a lack of baseball ettiquete, he has absolutely none of it himself.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Guillen
he’s a guy we all love to hate, but frankly, baseball is better for having him around. He is fiery and entertainingly quotable (usually because he is equal parts adamant and wrong) in a game that usually lacks either of those things.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
what sucks is I have to live the rest of my life knowing that horse’s arse of a man has a World Championship. The only good thing is the Series was so bad that year not many people remember
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
worse people
have come out better in this world, if that helps at all.
Bill Belichick has won three Super Bowls, for example.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 4, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with that
I’m not a fan of annoying managers, especially when they work for my team. But when they work for someone else, and are fiery and as you say, entertainingly quotable because he is equal parts adamant and wrong, I’m glad to have them around causing a stir.
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh I'd love to have him as my manager
but he is a royal dick.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 4, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep hot blooded latino
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
doug glanville is quotable also
ozzie = jackass
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't see
what he said as being all bad.
A 5 inning start from a pitcher isn’t all that impressive. It wasn’t great, it wasn’t bad, it was fairly Meh and maybe a good start for a back of the rotation guy, but not real impressive.. I think Ozzie’s comments reflected that.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
by DJCahill on May 4, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, his comments weren't bad, but they missed the point
I really liked Harrison’s start, but that was because I saw all those pitches as purposeful. Earlier in the season he’d waste pitches – throwing things way outside when ahead in the count for no reason other than to not give up a big hit on 0-2 or 1-2. Last night, he was getting ahead of guys, then throwing pitches away from the plate to either get guys to chase something (which they often did, fouling them off), or setting them up for something else.
He wasn’t overpowering, and he wasn’t dominating by any stretch. But he did what lefty starters do to the Rangers all the time. He used all of the strike zone and his allotted number of balls every AB to keep the hitters off balance and forcing bad swings.
Hopefully, he can keep working this way, hopefully getting a bit more efficient each time. If he can’t overpower guys, he can keep them off balance and get 6 solid innings a start. That’s great. Like I said above, 5 IP with 0 runs gives you an 78% chance of winning the game. I’ll take that 32 starts a year.
The alternative is that he worries more about pitch counts and tries to force things to happen earlier in counts. Maybe he can put guys away that way. Maybe his stuff isn’t quite good enough to do that. Who knows.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guillen
the person i hate the most in baseball.
hands down.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to think about that
There are a few guys I really hate in baseball. Guillen though is right at the top.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
he’s never done something like beat up his wife, has he? I hate those kind of guys a lot more than a rube like Guillen.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get a sick feeling
every time I see Brett Myers.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on May 4, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Brian Giles and Brett Myers = much worse than Ozzie Guillen
Guillen is annoying and obnoxious. But he isn’t a fundamentally evil person.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
theres a difference in someone being a shitty person who
deserves to be put in the torture machine they talked baout in the offseason
and someone being an annoying person who i have a burning hatred for on a baseball field
douchebag doesnt equal shitty person
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK RYAN SWEENY
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
by FirebatM3 on May 4, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Sweeney
fuck that guy
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
by FirebatM3 on May 4, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darren made my O' Day.
You gotta hand it to JD on this one, he looks like quite the find.
The Mets may have been hoodwinked!
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For some reason,
when reading this post, I can only hear 1920’s reporter guy.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on May 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably because
of the awesomely horrible pun and his use of the word hoodwinked.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 4, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or a newspaper boy from then:
Extra, Extra!
Rangers trim fat from bullpen! Cut malarky by adding submariner O’Day! Read all about it for 5 cents!
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Thursdays 10 PM - 1 AM on FM 88.7 The Choice
"Computers can’t measure the size of a man’s heart."
- Hawk Harrelson, MLB Guru/Analyst
by Maximilian on May 4, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O'Day is definitely a bullpen weapon.
He’s money against righties.
Also, it warmed my heart to hear Joe Morgan denounce “specialists, guys who only come in to get one guy.” Made me want to give Bill James a big hug.
Seeking a new signature...
by ghtd36 on May 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan, Miller & Phillips
Are The Three Musketeers re-imagined as three Don Quixotes. Joe Morgan can ruin any baseball game, anywhere, anytime. That guy is like kryptonite to baseball enjoyment.
by Mister Naxal on May 4, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Miller is the worst
…if only because he talks about 4x as much as Morgan.
by FuturePants on May 4, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't count the number of times he made a very obvious mistake in his game calling
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Miller to keep talking
the more he talks the lesser the chance Phillips opens his mouth.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 4, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy is like kryptonite to baseball enjoyment.
awesome quote
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it feels good
to be on the other side of this one.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I have always hoped the Rangers would find a quality sidearm/submarine guy for their bullpen. I always hated-felt a twinge of jealousy when Jeff Nelson or Chad Bradford would come in and shut the Rangers down.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep that boy is MONEY..
Good job J D!!!
I don’t know how these hitters follow that damn ball the way he slings that shit lol.
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he looked wicked in the bullpen in baltimore
but he was wild as hell most of the time in the pen also lol so take that as you may
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great news on Elvis...
…now our idiot-savant manager (99% idiot 1% savant) can give up outs in the first inning and two or three times thereafter.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on May 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the reasons Wash wanted to move Elvis...
…is so he can bunt more at the #2 spot in the lineup. He stated that in the pre-game interview with Nadel yesterday.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on May 4, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the problem with that is?
It got Kinsler into scoring position and tacked on another run last night
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is...
…playing for one run in the first inning. Good strategy later in the game maybe but not in the first inning.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on May 4, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so Kinsler doubles, Elvis bunts him over to 3rd
and has a CHANCE to still beat out the throw…then Mike Young can single or sac fly to produce a run, and that’s a bad thing?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 4, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been if...
…it happened in the first inning.
If he’s bunting for a hit that’s different. But please, no sacrifices from the #2 hitter in the first inning.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on May 4, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well andrus was bunting when kinsler was on first
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it moved him into scoring position where MY singled him home
I fail to see the problem here
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it happened to work out
it doesn’t always. you are sacrificing andrus’ bat there and he has shown a pretty good affinity for hitting the other way, and he’s not that much of a threat to hit into a DP.
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacrifices work a vast majority of the time
Way more reliable than having a guy try and get a basehit. The best hitters get a hit once every 3 ABs. Elvis is more like once every 4 ABs. Sacrifices get the runner over probably 90+% of the time. It was the correct call. People who don’t like it are just looking for things to bitch about.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, cause I am such a Wash basher
the sacrifice worked. but now you have young coming up with one out and and a runner on second. you haven’t really accomplished much. how many times previous had he gotten a hit with a runner in scoring position.
just think about your position – it’s completely ridiculous. if it was the right play, why wouldn’t a teams bunt every time they got the leadoff runner on base? because they’re stupid? all 30 of them all the time?
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't accomplished much?
Does that single score Kinsler from 1st base?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
But Kinsler could just steal second base like he’s done many times before. And usually the number of outs after Kinsler steals a base is the same as before he steals that base. Can’t say that about a sac bunt.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could
But the way Danks was changing his delivery home I don’t think he could have gotten a good enough jump to want to risk it.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
Kinsler could get thrown out trying to steal 2nd like earlier this year in the 1st inning against Baltimore and everyone would complain.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm tired of this
just go read something
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/empirical_analy_1.php
and look at this (from 2005, but still)
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/expected_runs_matrix2005.premium.php
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I read those tables
Is while the expected runs go down it doesn’t go down as much as getting an out without moving the runner does therefore making the sacrifice a good option, especially given who is at bat and who is coming up. While the expected runs drops going from a man on 1st no out to a man on 2nd 1 out it doesn’t drop as much as if it goes to a man on 1st 1 out.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
Doctor please. Some more of these.
by tricer on May 4, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the way i read that not true?
Runner on 1st no out: .8968
Runner on 1st one out: .5487
Runner on 2nd one out: .6911
Difference if you move the runner over: .2057
Difference not moving the runner over: .3481
Almost 15% better chance scoring a run if you move the runner than by not moving the runner.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it's not true!!!!!
geez, read the damn thing. We’re not telling elvis to go up there and swing blindly three times and make an automatic out. we’re telling him to bat like a normal person with a normal expectancy of getting a hit or a walk or moving the runner over
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK and if he goes up there and takes a normal AB he makes an out 65% of the time
You can’t move a runner from 1st to 2nd on an out like you can from 2nd to 3rd. Fly balls to deep RF that you could tag up on at 2B you don’t do at 1B, ground balls to 2B that move the runner don’t from 1st to 2nd.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the ERT for runner on 1st, 0 out
takes ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT. Sorry to be “yelling” but you’re not getting that for some reason. the ERT takes into account EVERY possible outcome
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which means the ERT for a guy on 1st with 1 out takes everything into account as well right?
Im not trying to argue for the sake of arguing. But the way I am reading those tables if everything is taken into account then the drop off is greater if the runner doesn’t move over.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
look at my post below.
the ert for a guy on 1st with one out takes into account what happens 65% of the time. sure, that is a majority of the time, but it is not ALL the time. you are not taking into account the run expectancies of what happens the other 35% when Elvis gets a walk, a single, or some other thing happens that advances kinsler.
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*clarification
If Elvis swings away, you are only capturing 65% of the events that happen by looking at the ERT for Runner on 1st,
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
And if you just look at the table and assume that there’s no other way to get a runner onto 2b without making an out, then your right. Your also assuming that the only out that can make a runner advance is a sacrifice.
If you want to go into a box that says, the only way to get a runner to second is to sacrifice, then your right. The problem is the sacrifice is an almost guranteed out.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do guys move from 1st to 2nd?
Do they tag up on fly balls?
Do they move on grounders to a certain side of the infield?
Getting from 1st to 2nd takes a base hit or a walk in most cases. Yes there are exceptions but those are the rare.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might make sense
if Andrus was guaranteed to make an out.
But he isn’t, so you just sound like an idiot.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
by DJCahill on May 4, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are purposely
doing something that lowers your expected runs by .2. That is also assuming that your sac bunt is perfect and that your hitter wouldn’t have gotten on base safely.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The assumption...
Is that the alternate outcome would be a reduction of .3.
Wash was taking a “surer” bet (reduced variance) in exchange for a lesser reward. It’s a highly risk-averse move that I would agree makes more sense later in a game when the at-bat has more value as you have fewer outs to play with.
by Trickman on May 4, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its also about
the fact that earlier in the game you don’t know that one run is going to be a deciding factor.
Sacrifices early in games just aren’t a great way to set out to do things.
In this day and age consistently playing for one run is probably a good way to lose a game. Getting the one run you need in a close and late game is a good idea, or at least not as bad of an idea.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early in games
I think alot of that has to do with our young pitching staff also. I don’t recall Wash using it much if Millwood or Padilla is out there but with our young guys he wants them to be in the best possible position to succeed. Pitching with a lead takes alot of pressure off the pitcher. So while i don’t necessarily agree with doing it in the 1st inning as a rule in certain situations I can see the logic behind it and not get all upset when it happens.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still pretty convinced
that its still a bad call in the early part of games. In the league currently you need to get some of those multiple run innings up, and sacrificing is just not a good way to do that.
Its not always a bad idea to sacrifice, but just in any situation where the game isn’t about 1 run.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the most part it is a bad call
But with the way Wash puts his lineups together and our young pitching staff i think sometimes it is the right call. The other night for instance with Vizquel. Vizquel shouldn’t be hitting 2nd but since he is Kinsler got a double and with BMac on the mound getting that run home seemed like the best move. Even if it only 1 run. Now if we were facing someone like Carlos Silva and we had Millwood pitching I would be upset because yeah the likelihood of a big inning from us and our pitcher giving up alot of runs are both in our favor.
But to complain about Elvis’ bunt last night just seems like bitching for the sake of bitching to me.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To complain about
bunting in the 5th inning when we are already up by 5 with a pitcher who hasn’t been dominant on the mound facing us?
That’s bitching to be bitching?
I think that’s just a manager using very questionable logic.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were only up 3 at that point and were about to have to go to our bullpen
For all we knew we needed every run possible
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why settle for one run?
If you are playing as if you’ll need every run possible, why do something that limits how many runs you are likely to score in an inning.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like i said
With Andrus up its the right call in my book. because the chances of us scoring drop more if we don’t get that runner to 2nd than if we do. If it was someone else at the plate I doubt it happens but with Andrus it did and I have no problem with it.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is a good reason for him not not be that high in the lineup.
If he’s good enough to bat second, he’s good enough he doesn’t need to bunt. Or, he should be batting second. One or the other.
by philkid3 on May 5, 2009 5:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is the wrong way to read that table
why are you just assuming that elvis makes an out?
the man on 1st, 0 outs expected run number is the probability that a run gets scored – period – taking into consideration all such times that that happened and what the results were.
it is larger than the number for man on 2nd 1 out. If you read the whole thing, you’ll see that the difference isn’t as great if you are only playing for one run but it’s still bigger for runner on first, 0 outs.
honestly, read the article. I know it’s long but it will do a better job of explaining it. and, it actually is pretty good at showing why bunting is under appreciated. But still, it is not the right call. It is defensible if you are playing for a run and have a really bad hitter up – but that’s about it.
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im assuming Elvis makes an out because he does over 65% of the time
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the empirical analysis is taking that into account
and 65% of the time isn’t all the time. if you discount the loss by the expectancy it isn’t that great. so you would do
65% X ERT for runner on 1st, 1 out
20 % X ERT for runner on 1st and 3rd 0 out
10% X ERT runner on 1st and 2nd 0 out
etc.
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then (and I know I have said this multiple times):
Why bat him second?
by philkid3 on May 5, 2009 5:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do realize
this has been disproven by BP and maybe even my adam on this site
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What has?
That sacrifices aren’t more reliable to move a runner over than swinging the bat? Id like to see that proof
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sacrifices lead to a lower run potential
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting an out without moving the runner is a even bigger dropoff
If Elvis was a .300/.360 hitter then yeah I could see trusting him to not make an out. But since hes a .270/.330 guy Id say move the runner over. Cause I have a better chance of scoring with a runner on 2nd with 1 out than a runner on 1st with one out.
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the difference between runner on second with 1 out vs. runner on 1st with 1 out
You’re doing something to lower your expected run total by .2. If you let Andrus try to get a hit and he fails, you only drop it by .17.
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by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
How does it only drop by .17? As I calculated above the drop by not moving the runner is .35 while the drop by moving the runner is .20
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A later table
shows that number as a bit under .2, the .17 shown.
Your over all run potential goes down in this situtaion, for a possible slight gain in one run.
Its very dependant on situation. Late in the game a sacrifice can make sense in certain circumstances. But most of the time its not going to be a correct call. Why play for one run when its not a one run game?
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other variable they point out is batting order
which, as they say, is a proxy for level of hitter. for a pitcher, it might make sense. But with andrus, it doesn’t make sense.
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well to me
thats just one more reason to dislike NL ball. I’m sorry the pitcher flailing at a ball does nothing for me.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well using the older model it is
Using the 2005 model, the difference between a runner on second with 1 out and a runner on 1st with 1 out is .1424. The difference between a runner on second with 1 out and a runner on 1st and second with no outs is .7782. You limit your run potential for a marginal gain when there is a solid chance that you get that runner on 2B without having to bunt him there.
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by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
question
I don’t feel like working too much, but are there numbers available for the odds of scoring a single run?
Run probabilities represent an average of all possible runs scored in an inning. So for runner on 1st and 0 outs, there isn’t a 90% chance of 1 run scoring, but on average 0.9 runs will score (because you may have a big inning with a crooked number).
So say you are in a tie game, bottom of the 9th. 1 run is as good as 50. Under what circumstances is bunting a good idea (how bad does a hitter need to be to justify the bunt)?
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
should have just read the link…
For a single run, it’s about the same probability (first and 0 outs, second an 1 out). But you give up the possibility of the big inning.
TABLE 4 – One Run Probability Table (1977-1992)
AL 0 1 2 NL 0 1 2
— .276 .161 .067 -- .261 .148 .061
x— .432 .277 .129 x— .424 .268 .124
-x- .634 .414 .226 -x- .609 .400 .216
xx- .637 .430 .236 xx- .622 .413 .220
—x .839 .670 .279 —x .814 .648 .267
x-x .870 .656 .289 x-x .847 .650 .275
-xx .867 .689 .275 -xx .838 .664 .267
xxx .875 .679 .331 xxx .860 .668 .315
Actually, it looks like if you are playing for ONE RUN ONLY, and you have guys on 1st and 2nd and no outs, it makes sense to bunt. But that is about it.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sac from 1st to 2nd with no outs
I’d probably say if your in a one run or tie game in the late innings, say 7th on, then your probably good to try it. IIRC the chances of scoring one run goes up slightly, but it pretty much kills the chance of multiple runs.
In very specific outcome its not bad.
Its just generally playing for one run now adays isn’t a great strategy until your late in a close game.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't see the problem either
bunting is a great baseball fundamental that is lost on the free swinging homerun hitters. I think bunting is an underutilized startegy in the AL, mainly because of the DH. Because of our ballpark and the nature of baseball, we fall in love with the homeruns, and homeruns in turn drive future contracts….yadda, yadda, yadda.
bunt more, steal more, put pressure on the defense to make plays.
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by NothinG on May 4, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I disagree with almost everything you just said.
And that’s largely backed by evidence (much of it listed above). Not whether or not I’m in love with home runs the way you are in loved with inefficient baseball.
by philkid3 on May 5, 2009 5:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to the fangraphs game log
the Andrus bunt decreased the probability of the Rangers winning by 1%. However, MY’s RBI single than increased the probability by 4.3%.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT WHAT IF KINSLER DIDN'T MOVE TO SECOND
rabble rabble rabble rabble
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by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't some site out there
have a table that shows the odds of scoring with a man on base, number of outs, etc?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
its already linked in this discussion.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My simple mind doesn't
really grasp the BP matrix.
no outs, basesloaded a team has a 2.3109 chance of scoring?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the average number of runs
So bases loaded no outs will generate an average of 2.3 runs scored in innings with that happening.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thakns
now it makes sense
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure no problem.
It makes for an interesting discussion doesn’t it?
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
There really isn’t a right or wrong decision. Too many variables. Most would agree that bunting a runner from 2B to 3B in the first inning is generally not good to do. But what if the pitcher is Zack Greinke?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what if your pitcher is
Padilla from this year?
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a very rare occurence
When you’re facing one of the 5 truly elite pitchers in baseball at the top of their game and your pitching is doing great too (like Millwood has so far), then there might be an exception.
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by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure.
I think then might be the time that your even less likely to give up an out. Because then the chances of that top 5 pitcher getting a strikeout or two is much higher than some general scrub pitcher.
Giving up outs early in games is just not a good idea.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But when you are going up against a truly elite pitcher
You may not have many more scoring chances during the game.
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the question is
Even after you do it will you actually see something from it. From 2nd to 3rd you think about it. From 1st to 2nd would be folly.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it would be folly
Because all it would take is a bloop single to score a run. Against the really good pitchers you don’t get alot of line drives into the gaps generally. Most of the time you score runs on the little dink and dunk type hits.
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ad you have decided
to give up one of your precious chances for that by giving him an out.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bloop single with a guy on first doesn't do nearly the damage a bloop single with a guy on second does
So yeah i’ll give up one of my chances to get a guy in scoring position in that case
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats the number of runs X probability of scoring
there is a table lower on down that has the probability of scoring one run. It hovers around 88% for most of the batting orders
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
forgot the link
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that was a bunt for a basehit
otherwise I have to question the decision.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
We were up either 3 or 4 late in the game and looking for additional runs and you have a guy with good speed bunting with the 3B back and you question it? Worst case scenario it moves Kins to 2B and he is in scoring position which is what happened. Best case is Andrus gets on with a bunt single and its 1st and 2nd with no outs.
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he was bunting to get a base hit, that's different
but if he is bunting after showing bunt and the infield coming in, I don’t like it.
not saying that is what happened but if that happened – and it sounds like wash wanted him to bunt more for sacrifices
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I question it
because sac bunting pretty much lowers the chances of your team scoring runs. I can see it going from 2b to 3b, but I’m pretty sure the %’s show that sacrificing the out to get someone to 2b lessens the likelyhood of you scoring in that inning.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the more likely way for Kins to get to 2B?
Elvis gets on base at a what .330 or .340 clip? So roughly once every 3 ABs he gets on base. Sacrifices are much better percentage wise to get the runner over.
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's nto the better way to get a run scored
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course a home run is the best way to score a run
But thats a longshot with Elvis at the plate. Hes probably only has a 27 or 28% chance of getting a hit to move the runner. Only about a 33 or 34% chance of getting on base to move the runner. A fielders choice does no good. If a sactrifice bunt has more than a 40% chance of getting that runner to 2B then it was the right call IMO and I can pretty much guarantee the % of a sacrifice working with Elvis up there is well over 40%
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are downplaying the value of the out
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are overplaying Elvis' ability to not make an out
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why is Andrus...
…batting 2nd?
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by Chad Crudup on May 4, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are overplaying Elvis' ability to make a perfect sac bunt
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by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sac bunts are not hard to do
And for a guy with speed I would hope he has been bunting before, mostly trying for hits. This isn’t Josh Hamilton or Ryan Howard trying to bunt for the very first time.
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't guaranteed like you are assuming
Many things can go wrong with the bunt that doesn’t include any good defensive play on the bunt.
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by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two Sacs roll foul
then your suddenly 0-2 and have to swing away while in a hole.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Sigh*
If there’s one thing I HATE about bunts it’s that the real worst case scenario is never presented. The worst case scenario is where the bunt is popped up and caught and the runner is doubled up.
Plus there’s a pretty sizeable amount of time where the bunt fails and the lead runner is thrown out as well.
Don’t act like these scenarios can’t happen because they can… even when you have a great bunter.
by TRanger on May 4, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How often do sacrifices fail?
I would say they are successful in 80-90 % of the time. Way more successful than having a guy move the runner over with a hit which happens once every 3 or 4 ABs.
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How often does a sacrific to 2b lead to a run?
I’ll bet that number is somewhere around 10%. The math on this is out there. You statistically score less runs when you sacrifice on a play that doesn’t lead directly to a run.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would be it's more than 10%
that would mean, that hitters would are 1 for 10 in those situations. the law of avgs would argue that it would succeed more often, especially if you sacrifice with no outs.
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by NothinG on May 4, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right I probably picked too small of a number.
But still the math on this is known, just not off the top of my head, and the sacrifice actually lowers your run potential.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not usually when you have a great bunter
those things don’t happen. the problem is, that there aren’t that many great bunters anymore because it is a lost art in the game of baseball, in the AL.
“pretty sizeable amount of time” show me a stat that has a sizeable amount of time a bunt fails. I’ll bet that they succeed waaaay more than they fail. I’m thinking at least 80 – 90 % of the time they’ll succeed.
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by NothinG on May 4, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant
I don’t have the stats but I was thinking it had the same amount of times failing as about what you and bigsteve think (10-15%). To me that’s a pretty sizeable percentage to just ignore and not consider “the worst case scenario”.
Since you’re almost always sacrificing an out on a pure sacrifice bunt I just don’t like the thought that it’s not a 100% fool proof plan since it already costs so much using it.
…plus by looking at purely visual evidence it seems like the Rangers in particular have had a horrible time bunting for years. Again no real statistics to prove it but it just seems like they fail an abnormally large amount of time here.
by TRanger on May 4, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elvis didn't bunt in the first inning
But if Kinlser had doubled instead of homered I would have been for a sac bunt there also. It gives your pitcher a lead which is alot better to pitch with than tied or behind.
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're never going to agree on that...
…I’m never going to be in favor of a #2 hitter bunting in the first inning.
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by Chad Crudup on May 4, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
whats the stat regarding the team that scores first
winning the game what % of the time
im 100% ok with elvis bunting hitting 2nd. its not like its FOTF hitting 2nd and bunting
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by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacrifices in the first inning of a game
are pretty much always a horrible idea.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey im playing devils advocate here (mostly)
i am not a fan of sac bunts unless its the late innings, …if its is the 6-7-8-9 innings and you get a runner on 2nd with 0 outs, i think you should typically bunt him to 3b in a close game almost all the time. there is little reason not to score wehn you get a leadoff 2b
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by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed to some extent
I still don’t like the sacrifice over all. That is a situation that I can deal with it, but when your up by 3+ runs I think it probably hurts your chances of winning a little bit.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on May 4, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus
doubled, took second on a single, stole a base, had a sac bunt that eventually plated a run. I don’t see how having Andrus in the 2-hole is all that bad, especially when you look at the alternatives. Murphy?? um…no, thanks.
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by NothinG on May 4, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez
what happened to all the hit and runs? he was doing good with the hit and runs. we can’t go back to those?
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double Steal M'er F'er!
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by mtex on May 4, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally don't like bunting
But I think that this team needs something to keep them from not swinging for home runs every time. If they start playing for the 1 run inning, rather than the 3 run inning, maybe they’ll hit better overall.
The constant swinging for the fences was getting on my nerves.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep you gotta keep the D "honest"
They tend to be sitting back on their heels with all the HR swings.
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by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
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by Chase Irwin on May 4, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but you don’ tneed to keep andrus from swinging for the fences. he seemed to embrace situational hitting. I’d rather develop that.
I don’t mind bunting for singles or butning when you are absolutely playing for a run (like in the 9th inning of a tie game), but let the kid develop his opposite field style
by ab03 on May 4, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
situational hitting
watch saying those words on here. I once said that and got called all kinds of names
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumbass.
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by Rodney on May 4, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes Rodney
like that, good to know it still works
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know me, always helpful!
;-)
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by Rodney on May 4, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha this is true
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by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunting
Well hopefully this bunting he is doing now is helping him improve and he can start turning some of these sacrifices into bunt singles. He has the speed. Last nights could have been a single had he gotten it further up the 3rd base line with the 3B playing back like he was
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I don't think
many pitchers make that play either.
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by Rodney on May 4, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Elvis probably gets a single on that bunt 7 out of 10 times if not more. Danks just made a hell of a play
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by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus is certainly not one to be punished for trying to hit home runs
There is a time and a place for the bunt, and it is nice to see that Andrus is qualified for that. Generally, I’d say it’s a tool to be used sparingly.
But in some of the losses last week, the team had the look of a club trying to hit a home run every AB. And when you have a guy on first and no outs, these hitters shouldn’t be thinking “home run”, they should be thinking about solid contact. Calling the bunt forces everyone on the team (not just the guy bunting), into that frame of mind.
I kind of like the idea of making Blalock and Davis bunt on any AB after they strike out on three straight pitches.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be hilarious.
And perhaps something that needs to happen.
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by Rodney on May 4, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in favor of...
A Major League type punishment. Like Willie Mayes Hayes, everytime a Rangers strikes out on 3 pitches, they have to do 15 pushups in the batter’s box while the other guy gets ready to hit.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no that's not harsh enough
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by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
the embarassment of the whole thing would be enough to shame them into taking a few pitches. I still laugh out loud everytime he pops up in that spring training game and does pushups in the batters box while the guy makes the catch. Great movie!!!
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeh I don't see why not..
good thing Laird isn’t on the team anymore, I’m not sure he could do 15
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by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is doing pushups not one of the five tools?
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if theres a donut under him to grab with his mouth as he goes down
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by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for
using embarassment to change habits. Which team had the strength and conditioning coach who made the overweight pitcher ride the pink tricycle around the parking lot until he lost weight?
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh poor Milly I didn't know he had to do that..
Nolan is NOT playing.
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by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the harshest punishment needs to happen when someone
pulls a MY against el duque… that was utterly pathetic.
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by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you!
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by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, id love to see Elvis
role out that oppo style with Kins on 2B after a double. It actually seems to make alot of sense if Elvis continues to hit in the two hole, he’s likely our best situational hitter. With Kinsler standing on 2B alot, having elvis to punch the ball to the right side could be several added runs getting Kinsler over to third when he makes outs. Also, Elvis is shit at the Hit and run.
Elvis’ bunting is not why id put him in the 2 hole, his ability to move runners along with his smart swings is why… He’s no CD or Nellie or Hank, he’s actually gonna do what he needs to do to move a guy up a base when we need to.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so not only did Andrus steal MY's position
but now he’s captured his spot in the lineup
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 4, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yeh what next?
sleep with his wife?
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be funny if
MY got dropped down to 6-7 when Hamilton come back.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't happen this year I don't believe
But it could happen starting next year if Elvis shows good bat skills throughout the year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mike young
is not a 3 hitter on a playoff team…he just isnt.
hes a 2 or a 6-7 hitter imho….
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone assume...
…that by “bunt more at the No. 2 spot” he meant in the first inning?
Let’s look at this sensibly:
When Elvis bats in the 9 hole, who’s batting in front of him? Teagarden, Davis, etc. Davis is getting better but still isn’t an on-base machine. If Elvis bats in the No. 2 hole, who’s batting in front of him? Ian Kinsler, who is much more of an on-base machine. It’s doubtful he would have tried to bunt in the first inning. But in, say, the seventh or eighth, if Elvis, who is one of the best in a long time at executing bunts, comes up with no one on base, how useful is that bunting weapon? Now, if Elvis comes up to bat with Kinsler on in the seventh or eighth, when you’re playing for one run, the bunt is a nice tool to have when it would actually be useful.
Or, I guess it’s possible he’s trying to play Scioscia ball.
by Inkara1 on May 4, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree and to further that
this isnt just about bunting, this is about Elvis skill at moving runners over with his knack for hitting the other way. Especially with Kinsler who ends up at second base so much, having a guy like Elvis behind him who isnt looking to inflate his HR numbers is perftect. I really like the idea, and yea, its definitely Scioscia ball, and i think we need some of that (no, we dont need to be bunting all the time, but we do need a dose of this)
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said sir...
and we have one of the best bunters in the game to show him how it’s done.
I couldn’t believe that Vicquel had 45 straight successful sacrifice bunts, might as well take advantage of that expertise as well while he’s here.
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those that wanted...
the Rangers to sign Ollie Perez.
Damn am I happy he stayed in NY.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 4, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Perez
Perez = TRAINWRECK!!!
That was hard to watch Saturday
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on May 4, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I read that he was being moved to the bullpen, …
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
by Chase Irwin on May 4, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still want him here.
yes, I’m serious. And a little crazy.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 4, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
X
looks like little johnny danks made deadspin this morning
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by studcrackers on May 4, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
That was so uncomfortable watching that.
Pick a Winner!!!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 4, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping they'd say something
on the broadcast
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 4, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well we definately got the better looking pitcher of the two...
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, and B-Mac aint the hottest tool in the shed
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yeh but compared to this mongrel
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The CDC Does Not Approve
John Danks obviously hasn’t heard about the hamthrax.
by Mister Naxal on May 4, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other good thing about Harrison's run is that it could ensure at least one start for Teagarden
every five days. Looks like those two have good “chemistry” going on.
Also, Kinsler’s HR looked to be a good pitch by Danks. Kinsler just did a great job of hitting it.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on May 4, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you cant throw Kins inside
its amazing how quick his bat is
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeh he jumps all over those...amazing
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that a good thing?
Furthermore, as I said in another post, I want my starting catcher able and ready to catch every pitcher. That catcher is clearly salty
by Horns130 on May 4, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did anybody else catch that last night
Elvis’ family got to see him play for the first time, i think.
Pretty cool for him and his family
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on May 4, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT -- Neyer has some quotes from Soderberg about Moneyball
This is not a AJM-style rickroll ha
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 4, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Saw that over the weekend
I’m with Neyer. Who knows if it’ll turn out to be a good movie, but at least the director seems to have the right mindset.
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When ESPN did there
highlights at the tail end of the broadcast did anyone else see Guillen clapping in Josh Fields face? Does anyone know when this was in the game? Not sure how I wouldnt have decked him if it was after one of his k’s…
by corbsclinton on May 4, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was before the game.
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 4, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To get him pumped up...
… would be my guess.
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 4, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too, but couldn't place it.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on May 4, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember it
right before the 1st batter of the game. He was pumping up the players in the dugout. Nothing to write home about.
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by Maximilian on May 4, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It worked wonders for them
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anybody think that Derek Holland..
will be starting games in June??
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
At least not on a consistent basis. Maybe a spot start here or there due to a blister or tight muscle but I don’t think he is a permanent rotation member before the ASB and I am fine with that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on May 4, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
awwww ok :(
well I’m hoping for a spot start in early June since I’ll be in NYC and Boston. I don’t know whether to get tickets for all the games of both those series ‘cuz I DO NOT want to miss his first start if it’s around that time.
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
if hes starting (on a fri-weekend game) im THERE for NY lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the last game in NY is on a Thurs.
cuz I’m going to that game and then on Fri. in Boston.
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sad day :(
enjoy it!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be shocked
if it isn’t happening by June.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeh that's what I was thinking.. he looks damn good..I hope you're right
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
Doctor please. Some more of these.
by tricer on May 4, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly since
I think there is a good chance that one of the current rotation members either sucks a lot or is injured or both by then. If an opening comes up after about Memorial Day, Holland gets it.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's nice to see a writer tell people
to move on about the Danks/McCarthy trade, but if Danks had pitched 7-innings of 1 run or shutout ball last night, I don’t think this would be the case.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by NothinG on May 4, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure
JD took a big sigh of relief seeing BMAC pitch good and Danks pitching so-so
Just to not have to hear about it in the media this week
by texasraider on May 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I did
And JD has a hell of a lot more on the line than me.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure
Daniels has long since moved on, unlike most here.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he definitely has
unfortunately, that isn’t what matters when it comes to job security. For the most adamant JD supportors out there, it doesn’t really matter what Danks, Young, Volquez and Galarraga do this year…the perception is already there that he has traded away an entire rotation of talented young pitchers. What matters is how this current crop of young pitchers progress this year. If McCarthy, Harrison, Feldman, and Holland all show progress, his past sins will be forgiven.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on May 4, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good take, Clark.
JD traded away an entire rotation of young talented pitchers which isn’t a good when this thing gave up 967 runs last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 4, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
^^^^^^^^
Ahahaha.
I can’t see you.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 4, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troll script on
AND STILL YOU REPLY !??!?!
Why install it if you STILL can’t keep from replying?
by bhudson on May 4, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down...
and take your caps lock off. I did it because I found it funny. It’s not like we have had the script for a few months now.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 4, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it matters if you're a Daniels supporter,
a Daniels hater, or somewhere in the middle. His job rests on how the players they have now develop over the next couple of seasons. Hicks, Ryan aren’t watching Danks, Young, and Volquez box scores, they’re watching to see how the current team develops. I think they expect to contend next year. If the team has not made significant strides at the major league level by 2011, Daniels is gone no matter what else is good about the organization.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll move on from the Danks Trade when our pitching is not such
a freaking embarrassment.
It is the heighth of arrogance for a writer to tell people when to get over a trade.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 4, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you quantify "not such a freaking embarassment"?
Would like to know what to look forward to.
Does Paisano play a part in this as well?
by bioaggie on May 4, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Danks picking a winner up there
was more embarrassing than anything our staff did this weekend.
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by Maximilian on May 4, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heighth is not a word.
Height is, though.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT:
Is anyone else really, really, really excited about the possibility of a Pacquiao-Mayweather SuperFight around the end of 2009? If Mayweather can get past Marquez — which he should — then it’s got to happen.
Seeking a new signature...
by ghtd36 on May 4, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Extremely.
Marquez is really good, but Floyd should get by him. Although isn’t he calling it a tune-up fight? Not so fast Floyd.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on May 4, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquez is good enough to spring the mini-upset.
But honestly, I don’t think anyone’s beating Mayweather. He’s got his eyes locked on Pacman, especially now that Pacquiao is the headliner in the world of boxing. Mayweather loves being “the man” and is such an emotional guy, which would make a Mayweather-Pac fight just so damn good.
Seeking a new signature...
by ghtd36 on May 4, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, very shocked
we didn’t see anything last night, maybe he held back because it was on national tv
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 4, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Ozzie ever retaliate for his guys getting hit?
I didn’t see it if he did, if not it could get UGLY in Chicago next weekend.
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I fully expect a benches-clearing brawl
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 4, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I'm thinking...
he’d rather do the dirty wok on the home court.
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wheres Tommy Hunter when you need him?!?
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't he have a judo
background to go along w/ that size?
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on May 4, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeh blackbelt national champ
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Guns, got my calendar on Sat. Appreciate it!!!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on May 4, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh right on dood... happy to hear it arrived :)
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe nolan
will travel with the team that weekend
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by studcrackers on May 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Ventura still playing for them?!
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 4, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
read a quote FROM him
on rangers.com about how he thought the rangers were just pitching inside and that sometimes ppl get hit, but he didnt think it was on purpose…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people keep thinking that there will be retaliation?
They were hit on the hands. That is what happens when guys pitch inside and batters crowd the box. If they were constantly getting hit in the back or balls at the head you’d retaliate.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the hate for Ozzie
yeah he’s a hothead, but much of his anger and erratic behavior is overblown, much like Uncle Milty. The Dye pitch sucked, but we were up in that game big at the time. No reason to hit on purpose. Harrison had a 2 strike count when he hit Fields, I believe. Again, no reason to do that.
I think even Ozzie could recognize that.
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by Maximilian on May 4, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why people hate him. To be quite honest with you, I actually agree with most things he says.
People think he’s an asshole. I think he’s an asshole because he’s passionate about winning
by oc on May 4, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie tells it like it is or how he perceives it to be.
He’s also been known to deflect pressure from his players and put it on himself at the toughest times.
His 2005 team was really special as well.
I understand why people don’t like him but he’s a good manager.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 4, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good manager may be streching it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the best example of why I hate him
is the Rangers-White Sox game from a while back where the White Sox rookie pitcher didn’t hit out batter. Ozzie pulls him out of the game and proceeds to curse him out. There was no reason to do that. It wasn’t to win the game, it wasn’t to deflect pressure from his players. It was Ozzie being an asshole for no reason whatsoever.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly "Ozzie being an asshole for no reason whatsoever"
with him you never know, he’s a bit crazy and that first pitch was very inside, he had to jump back from it and it still hit his hand.
A Rod you put the Bitch in Tits.
by BigGuns on May 4, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cursing his way to victory?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's called diplomacy. When your boss gives you an order, you follow it.
by oc on May 4, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well anyway it's marching orders. You don't show up your coach (team) like that
by oc on May 4, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Showing up your team
is failing to hit a batter when you were trying to?
Look at all the assholes the Rangers have had. All those guys showing up the team by not striking batters out and walking them or giving up home runs to them. Pricks. All of them. A bunch of pricks.
And if you screw up at work and your boss responds to this by cursing you out in front of everyone, you have a pretty good lawsuit on your hands.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 4, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be an idiot.
It’s Vicente Padilla on the mound.
And anyway, retaliation is common law in baseball.
by oc on May 4, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I sound like I'm defending Guillen.
He went overboard, sure. But whad’ya gonna do? He’s passionate!
by oc on May 4, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
but its the guys (i think) FIRST major league appearence and he didnt hit a batter
…come on
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 4, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost right, oc,
he’s an asshole and he’s passionate about winning.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's official
Seattle is a pretender
Assessment: Phony Baloney. (They’re a lot better team than that 100-loss abomination last year, but still probably not a contender.)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 4, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Boras says so.
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by t ball on May 4, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this division
the M’s are probably going to be a contender.
Still needs to play out some more but I had them for around 75 wins at the start of the season and it’s possible they have 85 in them.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on May 4, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the divisional hate
Each team has weaknesses, but all the teams are decent. I don’t know of any AL Central teams that are obviously better than the West clubs. The East has 3 teams obviously better than either division’s best, and a fourth that would be near the top in both. But when a majority of the divisions in a league are bad, maybe its just that the other division is really freakin’ good.
by JBImaknee on May 4, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also in that article
• Jeff Brantley, former Ranger and current broadcaster, told radio’s Chris “Mad Dog” Russo that while he didn’t know anything about the pitch-tipping allegation in the A-Rod book, Brantley believes Texas teammate Randy Velarde tipped off A-Rod. When Velarde was on first base, he thought he could tell what A’s catcher Ramon Hernandez was calling (Velarde and Hernandez were once A’s teammates), and Brantley said Velarde would signal A-Rod. Danny Knobler of CBSsports.com looked it up, and A-Rod was 6-for-11 with four home runs when Velarde was on first and Hernandez catching.
by WestTxAg06 on May 4, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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