Manny Ramirez suspended for PEDs - 50 games
by tlt29 on May 7, 2009 10:51 AM CDT
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He's blaming it on medication from a doctor:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story
Is anyone surprised? He probably tested positive for pot, crack and horse tranquilizers as well.
So, who's going to be the next one outed?
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Should include the word ‘Suspended’ after the word ‘Ramirez’. I suck.
by tlt29 on May 7, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just beat me..
Color me surprised
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
by Jtiner09 on May 7, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he earned another huge payday
But still.. you’d think these active Hall of Famers wouldn’t press their luck with more steroids with everything that has happened.
It reflects much worse to me to still be doing it now than to have been doing it when virtually all the power hitters probably were and the league looked the other way. And I’m sure there are plenty who still are.
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by DSheppard on May 7, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
David Ortiz
I think he is saving his legacy by sucking.
by tyd3311 on May 7, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
manny being manny
nice vacation and returns in time for 2nd half of season
by sam in so cal on May 7, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can't put it past him that this wasn't on purpose
by ab03 on May 7, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
player option for 2nd year
wasn’t on purpose either
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by chrisR on May 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess for next one outed
Manny’s buddy, Big Papi. The sudden decline in production screams he’s off the juice he was once on.
by tlt29 on May 7, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking about that yesterday while watchiing about how much he has sucked
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Papi is just doing what the vast majority of similar players his age do.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 7, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Papi is probably a year or two older than what he is listed at. Decline is not too surprising. See also: Guerrero.
by FuturePants on May 7, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theres no way steroids makes you go from what papi is now
to what he was.
could definitely have contributed, but theres something else going on there. age probably, heh.
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by DSheppard on May 7, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were you paying attention
to Jason Giambi and Andruw Jones?
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
by DJCahill on May 7, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giambi will cycle on here in a couple of weeks, and turn it around.
by tyd3311 on May 7, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually talking
about late 2004 early 2005, when he was throwing up 500, 600 and 700 OPSes.
A lot of players seem to look fairly lost when coming off roids, and I’ve heard its because it takes awhile for the body to get used to making testorone without artificial aid.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
by DJCahill on May 7, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Papi's
decline speaks a lot also to not having Manny protecting him in the lineup. Jason Bay is different than Manny.
"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo
by kentbenfer on May 7, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice theory, but
Bay is currently hitting .311/.479/.622.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 7, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can he be outed without a positive test?
Unless he’s on “the list” of 104. He’s off the ’roids and sucking now to preserve his legacy.
by tyd3311 on May 7, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Ortiz...
Rudy’s next reclamation project.
by bhudson on May 7, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No surprise
Can there be any doubt that anyone who put up superhuman numbers in the last 15 years was juicing?
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
by Ajax68 on May 7, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
frank thomas
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by studcrackers on May 7, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why frank thomas?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's always spoke out against them
he’s always had that big body
and he’s my favorite player
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by studcrackers on May 7, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so hes spoken out against them
lol and?
(im playing devils advocate btw — i probably agreew / you)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk
wasnt he one of the few (or only?) current players to actually meet and talk in the mitchell report?
plus id have thought canseco wouldve ratted him out in his book, i read the only thing that was mentioned about frank in that book and the only story was that frank was scared shitless after canseco took him on a joy ride trying to outrace somebody
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by studcrackers on May 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He demanded to be tested a few times.
And other such things. I would find it very hard to believe someone who was militant about getting rid of steroids was on steroids. He’s the one person I give a pass.
The only one.
by philkid3 on May 7, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey Junior?
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on May 7, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch that, I read everything below.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on May 7, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny is one of those guys
who I thought was just slightly pudgy.
by cmkelly29 on May 7, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RoidRam
First to think of it right here. Don’t use it unless you ask.
by SaltyGoesYard on May 7, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ramiroids
we’ll see which one catches on
by ab03 on May 7, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny being
Maxi. Manny being massive.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 7, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me
The only legit HOF type HR hitter we saw in the 90s was Ken Griffey Jr.
by Beasticon on May 7, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do his injuries
raise a red flag?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 7, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
he played on carpeted cement for too long
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 7, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Thomas?
He was big, but he was always a huge guy growing up and in college.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on May 7, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was on juice too
his weight distribution changed radically in less than a 12 month period, tendon and muscle tears, etc.
i loved pre-roid griffey, but griffey did the juice. you could tell
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree...
Maybe I’m just naive, but I think the injuries Jr. suffered were just due to the position he played and how he played.
It wouldn’t shock me if he did use, especially to try and come back from one of his injuries faster, but he’s one guy that I will give the benefit of the doubt to ‘til it’s proved that he did use.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 7, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also with that being said
I won’t discredit Manny until I hear what he was taking. Can’t you test positive for performance enhancing drugs by taking some types of hair regrowth products? Not that Manny has any problem in that department.
Just saying if its for some stupid GNC over the counter drug, no big deal. Unless he was taking some kind of horse anabolic yum yum juice roid.
by SaltyGoesYard on May 7, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yup Diego Maradona failed a PED b/c the product he usually bought in Argentina had Ephadrine in its product in the UK
PED’s dont have to be just roids
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
You want the mustache on or off? ... ... ... Too bad.
by thedirkatron on May 7, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know a lot of people
who thought manny was on roids
by Beasticon on May 7, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
You want the mustache on or off? ... ... ... Too bad.
by thedirkatron on May 7, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm a little confused too as to what part is sad
by ab03 on May 7, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Manny used PED's.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
You want the mustache on or off? ... ... ... Too bad.
by thedirkatron on May 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
he made the children love him. he won WS’s for team that never won a WS since 1909 or sumpn silly. he got wealthy beyond his dreams. Is still a hero to many.
the only thing that sucks for manny, is he has to miss 50 games… and thats really only sad if your a dodgers fan.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and evidently it works out to about 7.7 mil
he doesnt get paid this year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone broke the rules
on a testing regime and got busted.
Seems like a happy day to me, especially for the folks who wanted PEDs out of baseball.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
by DJCahill on May 7, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, in that respect this is good.
Testing is working on at least some level.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on May 7, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, this kind of puts me in a good mood.
Whole thing is kind of funny to me. And I just assumed Manny used, just like everyone else, so I like seeing the drug testing (apparently) working.
by philkid3 on May 7, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad for the game.
Man, I love winning! You know? It's like better than losing!
by SteveP on May 7, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
isnt getting cheaters nailed good for the game?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its bad for the game that he was using, not that he was caught when he was
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by DSheppard on May 7, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clear something up for you guys
EVERY FRIGGIN GUY WHO WAS GOOD OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS WAS ON JUICE.
all of them. MLB had doctors give presentations to MLBPA meetings discussing the many benefits of using roids, thats straight from former rangers player rep. Rick Helling
Why the hell would any1 be surprised? Any1 seen a rookie card of Manny….
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.......
Freakin duh. Well, not every single one, but most. Which is bad for the game.
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by DSheppard on May 7, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so getting PED out of the game is good but Publicizing it to the people when u do is bad?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didnt say it was bad they publicized it
I said it was sad he was using. Not surprising.
I dont know what on earth you are reading.
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by DSheppard on May 7, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and particularly that he was still doing it today.
im sure quite a lot are still using, but surely its fewer.
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by DSheppard on May 7, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed shep
PS: your gif last night rocked
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even players who weren't good
were on Juice.
See Alex Sanchez and Neifi Perez.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
by DJCahill on May 7, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you say that
everyone who was good?
knee jerk much?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if your company came to you and said take X itll make you better at your job, wouldnt most of your colleagues take that advice?
MLB had doctors give presentations to MLBPA meetings discussing the many benefits of using roids, thats straight from former rangers player rep. Rick Helling
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard Helling say that too. They pushed the hell out of roids.
kok is wrong.
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by Rodney on May 7, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a friend in the Dodgers system
When he reported to fall instructs 2 years ago, it was suggested that he get on HGH.
by tyd3311 on May 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not
it was untestable 2 years ago iirc
anyway, ppl are quick to blast bonds, but he never broke the rules
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its still untestable they just draw blood and hold it hoping one day it can be tested for.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the rules
just the law.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 7, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Baseball, we don't care about the law here
just the rules. It took me a while to figure that out.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
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by LBBRangerFan on May 7, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where is the evidence that steriods make you have more talent
HGH does not turn alex sanchez into hank aaron (who btw, took greenies)
what about guys like bill lee, he broke the drug rules, no one is blasting him — doc ellis? same situation
jordan schafer took HGH, should be be kicked out of baseball forever?
so they pushed roids — newsflash: why are you suprised?
say it comes out that the “change” in cruz last year to this year is that he is taking ADD meds but doesnt have ADD is that a PED?
let me say it again, PED’s are not something that will turn a 25th man on a roster into a 5 time MVP
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
say it comes out that the "change" in cruz last year to this year is that he is taking ADD meds but doesnt have ADD is that a PED?
yup it would be, actually IK and FFace take ADD meds too IIRC.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
studies are showing that MLB players are prescribed ADD meds at a rate 3 times higher than the rest of the public
odd, huh?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt be suprised if it was more than just baseball
that shit works WONDERS for both ppl who “need” it and for people who dont
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, considering its basicly
amphetamines, I’m sure it helps ballplayers.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
by DJCahill on May 7, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well yea
it was said a few places that when MLb cracked down on greenies that would have more of an efffect on the game than cracking down on steroids
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so he should be suspended 50 games right? (if thats the case)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he doesnt have the waiver that his agent will set up, he goes down no question about it
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok just making sure were both on the same page
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"beaurocratic red tape for uppers is a bitch"
-manny
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if
he was suspended for 50 games for something he could have gotten “ok-ed” by MLB (without a probleM) – this is dumb
50 games for not following directions = dumb
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If i was Manny, Id railroad MLB if this was the case
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh hell yes
same here
especially cuz he doesnt get paid
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is interesting that he was
already waved his appeal and is taking full responsibility. This is just strange.
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by LBBRangerFan on May 7, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i tink that means he has a card up his sleeve
i just dont think he, his agent, or the dodgers would simply let this “happen” without it
right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was he really cheating?
Was he in the Mitchel Report? Was it confirmed that he was juicing?
by Finnerty.Fan on May 7, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell, it was a perscription
i cant see how a doctor giving you a perscription breaks any drugs agreements with players and owners….
kinda confusing
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember Paul byrd..(i'm not sure anyone does, everyone seems to have forgotten)
said a doctor gave him a prescription for his stuff.
by aZn Steve on May 7, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also didnt get suspended IIRC
but i think he had a legit thyroid? problem too
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't
because the indians lost in the playoffs and everyone forgot. but if it was a thyroid, why did he get his stuff from a dentist?
by aZn Steve on May 7, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dentist?
thyroid?
ex gf had major thyroid probs and had to see a specialist, not a dentist?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
his prescriptions were from a dentist and he was also linked to an “anti-aging” facility that has been linked to steriods
by aZn Steve on May 7, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
links please?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
thought you meant manny not byrd
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't consider being in the Mitchell Report cheating.
I would consider being testing positive for a banned substance cheating.
by philkid3 on May 7, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod
Has just FedEx’d a bottle of Cristal and a new Ferrari to Manny.
Seriously, all of the crap going around about A-Rod and now Manny just grabs that spotlight from him in time for him to return to the Yankees?
Rivalries aside, RIP Nick Adenhart 04/09/2009.
"if daniels was fired today, he would almost be sure to get another shot somewhere else as a GM
i dont know if you can say the same thing abotu RW" - knockoutking
by hillcrest on May 7, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All reports indicating this was medication related and had nothing to do with roids
But hey, assuming is fun!
by LiamP on May 7, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
mlb confirms suspension
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090507&content_id=4603850&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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by 34express on May 7, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Juan Pierre would be the immediate replacement for Ramirez in left field
Well at least they won’t lose much offensively.
by cmkelly29 on May 7, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Manny
I never viewed him as a potential steriod user, primarily because I never viewed him as anyone who actually worked out.
I would have put much more money on pot, crack or horse tranquilizers than steriods.
by Darrell McKown on May 7, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
have you never seen the ppl who simply have a god given talent to play sports?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say 99.99% of professional athletes have the "God given" talent to play sports. PED's enhance that talent.
So...why is John Hart still being paid?
by Texasportsfan on May 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where is the proof though
i remember reading an article a while back about how the players that steriods help the most are AAAA players/25th men (allows them to hang on/make the minimum) and RP (with the bouncing back)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even AAAA and 25th men
Have exceptional talent. I agree that PEDS have a benefit, but PED’s do not turn a no talent player into a pro.
So...why is John Hart still being paid?
by Texasportsfan on May 7, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pre-"PED" Manny
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly
no ones body size/shape ever changes from when they are 19, right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This pic is making me seriously consider using PED's
I have a trip to Destin, FL in one month. I need to get into shape.
So...why is John Hart still being paid?
by Texasportsfan on May 7, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do PED's help with
30 pounds of extra fat? lol
So...why is John Hart still being paid?
by Texasportsfan on May 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite a bit
Speed up the metabolism, which burns the fat.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on May 7, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking
But now I am thinking, where can I get some?
So...why is John Hart still being paid?
by Texasportsfan on May 7, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
contact GMJ!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why did no1's body size change that radically from baseballs inception until 1985 or so
but now, oh thats just is normal.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how big were weights in baseball pre-1985?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they were the same weight
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
how often were they used in baseball
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you are saying that out of the top 18 hr hitters in histroy of the game
the majority of them came through at the same time, and it was weights that were the difference and the rest is coincidence?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the record was 138 HR for 25 years
in 1920 the HR record was 138 HR
in 1935 the HR record was 714 HR
in 1976 the HR record was 755 HR
in 2007 the HR record was 762 HR
so what happened from 1920 to 1935?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dead ball era
ended around 1919.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
by DJCahill on May 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw nice signature
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
I looked up the deadball era ending and I guess a few things happened then.
Ray Chapman got beaned and died, and they changed the rules to force a new ball to go in the game when the old ball got dirty. Before then, baseball asked fans to throw balls back, and a ball might be used for an entire game.
The spitball was outlawed.
Babe Ruth came along, and “smallball” became less popular and playing for the big inning seemed to be a better option.
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
by DJCahill on May 7, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
its not like he is/was a kid who grew up in the US working out — i seriously doubt that the weight room/working out is a big part of latin american basbeall culture
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
per will carroll
What I know: not pot, not ADD, not greenies.
Still trying to confirm, but a source tells me Ramirez did NOT test positive for an anabolic steroid
Just heard a report on what and why Ramirez tested positive. Working to confirm, but … this is more Romero than A-Rod.
Confirm on Manny’s suspension. Says it’s a medical issue.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was not a PED.
But it was a banned substance. Jayslick may be onto something…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 7, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
see will carroll
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is horrible...
This is an injustice, an outrage and heartbreaking….for my fantasy team.
So...why is John Hart still being paid?
by Texasportsfan on May 7, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor thing.
:)
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on May 7, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and me both
I’ve now lost Manny, Webb, Doumit, and Mientkiewicz all on my NL team this year. Not that my team was great to start with, but things are going so badly right now that I’m considering dumping five weeks into the season.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 7, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I am in a high stakes $250 entry fee keeper league
I have Webb and Hamilton out on the DL now this Manny thing kills me. I really need Josh to come back strong.
So...why is John Hart still being paid?
by Texasportsfan on May 7, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Mine is also a keeper league- $230 fee. Jamey, snatex, tricer, and Phil the Intern from BaD Radio are also in the league.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 7, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now THATS a league id love to be in
any chance/shot in the future?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be
Not sure if we have any openings currently, but I know we had a couple ownership changes before this season. I’ll let you know if anything comes open.
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by RCCook on May 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
john < dot > leftwich < at > gmail < dot > com
much appreciation
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap.
Did NOT see that coming.
Let's change the Constitution so that Elvis Andrus can be our supreme overlord.
by ghtd36 on May 7, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why in the hell do ppl jump to the fact that he was suspended that it = PEDs
again, per will carroll:
Manny’s statement comes thru MLBPA. First positive, not a steroid, waives appeal, came from doctor.
Manny did not appeal. Statement imminent
He didn’t have a Therapeutic Use Exemption for whatever this was, but it was prescribed apparently. Still working on what.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well the drug, whatever it was, was probably listed as a PED
by JBImaknee on May 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
but evidently if he had the waiver it would have been “ok”
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably something
for his hair.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on May 7, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUNNY
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just convinced
that Manny got in the mood for a two month vacation, and figured this was teh most logical way to take time off
by JBImaknee on May 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im interested to see what happens
if it was really from a doc and he didnt have the waiver, but if he had applied for the waiver anyway and gotten it it would have mattered?
just seems to me like thats kinda…much? (50 games for not following directions — waht is this, 4th grade)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again per will carroll
Ok this is big … Manny was suspended under 8.G.2 of the JDA. That’s “other” and at Commish’s discretion. http://bit.ly/a7Kq0
the rule:
A Player may be subjected to disciplinary action for just cause by the Commissioner for any Player violation of Section 2 above not referenced in Section 8.A through 8.F above.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow he wasnt suspended for any of the following
section 8:
a- failure to comply with treatment program
b- positive test for Performance enhancing substances
c- positive for a stimulant
d- conviction for possession or use of a prohibited substance
e- participation in sale/distribution of a prohibited substance
f- pot
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess that knocks out PEDs?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is getting really confusing
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i agree
so basically it seems right now that he was suspended for not filing for the “Therapeutic Use Exemption” basically, right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, but it is interesting that Selig thought that this
deserved a full 50 game suspension. I would think that if this was a fairly basic case of a doctor not just following the rules, he might have used some descresion.
Then again, this is Selig we are talking about.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on May 7, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea thats my thought
manny said he got it from a Dr in Jan, tested positive in May
if hes getting this for not applying for the waiver/use exemption its dumb
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very confusing
so he’s getting suspended by seligs best interest of the game clause?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 7, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
hes getting suspended but not for any of the a-f listed items
a- failure to comply with treatment program
b- positive test for Performance enhancing substances
c- positive for a stimulant
d- conviction for possession or use of a prohibited substance
e- participation in sale/distribution of a prohibited substance
f- pot
so its something different — is HGH on the list for B i wonder?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HGH
it would have to be covered under B wouldnt it?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from looking into it
for B it would have to have been a positive test, but i didnt think there was a test for HGH
per WC twitter
…Well, there’s no test in baseball for HGH
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually (again per WC + twitter)
that clause is
the “non analytic positive clause” in essence.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he failed the test in ST and they are just now getting around to it in may?
BP unfiltered:
The press release from MLB indicates that it was not a "drug of abuse" or a "stimulant," the other two classes of banned substances. Ramirez’s positive test came during Spring Training, which follows his story that he received the substance from a doctor this January.
way to be on the ball MLB…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus F Christ
So I spent $44 motherfucking dollars in my NL auction on a guy who failed a steroid test 3 months previously?
I’m suing MLB for my entry fees.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on May 7, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be a very cool lawsuit
class action from all fantasy owners of manny
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do it!!!!!
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
by Longhorn on May 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And In Other News:
Bill Plaschke is a dumbass
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
suprise suprise
but what happened? lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was like that rampaging chimp full of indignation and uppity about how Manny has betrayed the trust of all Los Angeleans
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he was just being his usual self then?
all self righteous unless it has to do with usc
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 7, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ive seen ppl less pissed that they were T boned in a car accident by a drunk driver than Bill was about some ballplayer betraying his faith in "the game"
uber douche
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im more upset about a player being accused of tipping pitches
than of a player testing positive for PED’s
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I logged on to post about that
Bill Plaschke is a fucking cartoon charatcter. His fake righteous indignation is hilarious. He is a riducluous blowhard…he went so far in the SC interview to claim that Manny is lying and it was definitely steroids. A few simple phone calls and some leaked MLB paperwork will probably end up showing Plashke’s ass in public, as it sounds right now like it wasn’t roids. I’m glad we don’t have anyone like that in Dallas. Say what you want about Grandpa Urine, but he falls more into the class of “Old, stubborn crumudgeon that is argumentative for the sake of being arguementative” instead of “completely incompetent” like Plaschke.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on May 7, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm
Jennifer Biaaaatch Engle??
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
by Longhorn on May 7, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever happened to the sports princess?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully the chimp got her
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok....she may be close
it’s hard for me to judge nowadays since I got sucked up north of the Red River and don’t read DMN and S-T every day like I used to. She does majorly suck ass, though. Does EG cancel her out a bit, though? Kind of like eating a giant hamburger then a pound of plain celery equals no food at all?
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on May 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has to be one of the dumbest sports writeres around
And that is saying something.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on May 7, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in other news
looks like it was HGH now?
per BP unfiltered/will carroll
In his statement, there’s no clear statement that Ramirez ever tested positive. Combined, those two facts point to a non-testable drug, but this is not confirmed. The only other known 8.G.2 suspension was Jordan Schaefer.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did manny have any injuries around the end of last year?
or any other “reason” for taking it?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is clearly more to come...
…but it’s starting to sound like he definitely, somehow, got caught using HGH. That’s the only real explanation, as far as I can tell.
Let's change the Constitution so that Elvis Andrus can be our supreme overlord.
by ghtd36 on May 7, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh shit
Anyone ready to hear the one word that will make this go bigger? Novitzky.
dirk?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That makes no sense.
Let's change the Constitution so that Elvis Andrus can be our supreme overlord.
by ghtd36 on May 7, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as in federal agent jeff novitzky looks like
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jo-novitzkyclemens010808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations.
You officially scared the crap out of me for about two seconds. :)
Let's change the Constitution so that Elvis Andrus can be our supreme overlord.
by ghtd36 on May 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez....my heart stopped beating for a second.....
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on May 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i about shit a brick
thought WC misspelt on his twitter so i messaged “dirk?” followed by “no, jeff” lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats your Twitter, kok?
Let's change the Constitution so that Elvis Andrus can be our supreme overlord.
by ghtd36 on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
/johnleftwich
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, followed.
Let's change the Constitution so that Elvis Andrus can be our supreme overlord.
by ghtd36 on May 7, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woot
will follow in a bit
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
done
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense
and could point to a interesting few days.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on May 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
some quotes
Without Novitzky’s work, there would have been no BALCO scandal and the Mitchell Report would have had significantly less heft. It wouldn’t have included Clemens or the names of dozens of players connected to Kirk Radomski, the former clubhouse attendant for the New York Mets who said he distributed steroids and HGH. Novitzky wrote a 27-page affidavit in 2005 that spelled out the allegations against Radomski.
The public controversy surrounding the IRS agent dates back to an article published in Playboy magazine in May 2004 by Jonathan Littman, an acclaimed author who writes for Yahoo! Sports. According to the article, Iran White, who worked the early stages of the BALCO case with Novitzky, made the following allegations:
• That Novitzky seemed to care only about busting Bonds and that he expressed disdain for baseball’s home run king.
• Novitzky used Bonds as the lure in persuading law-enforcement agencies to pursue the case and enlist the help of White, an undercover cop forced to leave the investigation when he suffered a stroke.
• That he heard Novitzky talking excitedly to one of the drug agents about a book deal.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now looks like i take it back about how the dodgers/agent/manny have one up their sleeve
wow HGH manny, really?
also/again — how in the eff is this just now coming to light after they busted him in ST?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn!!
Will Manny be back when LA comes to TRBiA???
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on May 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Ticket Ticker
Said the chick that Dirk is involved with and just had arrested is PREGGO!!!
WOW, well done Dirk. Think he can focus on basketball tonight?
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Link
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/050609dnmetdirkarrest.2712b2a3.html
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on May 7, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Crazy.
37? You’re Dirk Nowitzki.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on May 7, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Tabata the sequel?
You run the background check first, lads.
by morineko on May 7, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they need to call salty, he'll give them the procedural rules for such things
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on May 7, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but she's just a lot older than he is
as opposed to older and a convicted felon
by morineko on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THe ticket
this morning they were saying “couldnt police wait till the playoffs were over??”
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on May 7, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You buried the lede
“Said the chick that Dirk is involved with and just had arrested is PREGGO traffic-stopping, baby-scaring, bird-silencing ugly and preggo!!”
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 7, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
carroll is doing a manny BP chat at like 2ish i think
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If he starts his suspension today...
…he would be eligible to return Friday, July 3 at San Diego. So, definitely no Manny for the Dodgers’ trip to Arlington.
Let's change the Constitution so that Elvis Andrus can be our supreme overlord.
by ghtd36 on May 7, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Inky was clean.
II Cor. 4:17-18
by TedFord on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hank aaron too
i mean, he NEVER broke any rules or took anything that might enhance his performance, right?
/sarcasm
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could this positive test
be for Viagra or some other erection stimulant? Is that why Manny Ramirez didn’t want to appeal?
by Finnerty.Fan on May 7, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
for 7 million dollars + 50 games
i doubt he wouldnt appeal it, or that the dogers would let him not appeal it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only other suspension under 8.2.G was schafer
for HGH (which he denied then and denies today)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think that's on the banned list?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 7, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have a fairly long post w/ quotes on HGH + thoughts about manny
should i post it in here or make a new one?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
make a new one?
No
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 7, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its moot now
its hella long but the highlights were/are:
1) hGH is untestable
2) the only way to get someone for it is to follow the money (GMJ and co), have someone admit to it (ankiel/byrd) or to have evidently “other evidence” that a player was around it (if you believe what jordan schafer claimed – a story in the atlanta paper said that “Schafer was suspended for anecdotal evidence in an investigation of hGH. It has never been disclosed what that evidence was.”)
3) hGH is not proven to work alone — makes you “thicker”
4) hGH is not proven to help with injuries
5) “Heavy users might quickly experience carpal tunnel swelling in the hands, and long-term use can lead to heart disease, diabetes and debilitating joint swelling”
6) hGH may work well in conjunction with other substances (like testerstone)
which leads to 7) there would be no good reason for manny to be taking hGH unless basically he was trying to recouperate from an injury (of unknown origins) which might explain the reason the contract talk dragged on so long but not because he was “working hard” to “get in shape” in the offseason
let me know if anyone is interested in it – can email
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
new news per yahjoo sports
A source close to Manny Ramirez(notes) said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers slugger tested positive was not "an agent customarily used for performance enhancing."
At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the substance is supposed to boost sex drive. It is not Viagra, but a substance that treats the cause rather providing a temporary boost in sexual performance, the source said.
Ramirez tested positive for the substance during spring training, then was administered a second test more recently, and it also was positive.
Ramirez, the source said, acquired the substance through a prescription from a doctor in Miami for his medical condition. The source intimated that Ramirez might bring legal action against the physician.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a feeling it was dick related
by Finnerty.Fan on May 7, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see my comments on your blog?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did
I appreciated them a great deal. You should start your own blog. Your opinions are very good.
by Finnerty.Fan on May 7, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have one, non baseball related (and thanks)
but like i said before, not a niche for my thoughts anywhere so i put em on here
iw ould love to have one that is focused on prospects, but its an avenue that is fairly closed to me right now b/c of the guy who has one for the crawdads (cant remember his name, but GREAT blog), texasleaguers (nonameoncard), jason parks (BBTIA), scott lucas, spursdynasty, etc
but thanks — keep it up, yall are getting better just need more substance
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
espn says it was a
women’s fertility drug.
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
by Longhorn on May 7, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I don’t understand how that would help you play baseball, though.
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by t ball on May 7, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wouldnt
see longhorns links below — bsically it can lead to hypergonadism
Hypogonadism may be induced by chronic use of anabolic/androgenic steroids (AAS). The negative-feedback system of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPTA) shuts down pituitary production of gonadotropins after extended exposure to AAS. This has been documented both in patients receiving AAS for legitimate medical reasons such as AIDS or cancer and in athletes using AAS illicitly.
Hypogonadism may persist for some time after steroid use is discontinued, or indefinitely until treated.
this would require what he was “smuggling” across the border (hCG)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny's statement
Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.
Again. Why didn’t he go through the team physician? He deserves to be suspended just for his stupidity. Why any player would not get any prescribed medication throught the teams doctor is beyond me.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on May 7, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
because he wasnt with a team in the first place (was a FA)
didnt want teamates to find out
etc
etc
etc
he may sue the dr for waht its worth
but the biggest reason is he was a FA
heres my quetsion: when will the MLBPA get smart and “certify” doctors (give them info on what can/cant be taken) n parts of the country and allowthe players to have access to their names so they dont fail tests like this? if its possible and the MLBPA isnt doing it is straight up dumb on their part
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
by Longhorn on May 7, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
males would use it becuase of
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
by Longhorn on May 7, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty damning
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by t ball on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i presume your saying he would need it
b/c he took steriods?
Hypogonadism may be induced by chronic use of anabolic/androgenic steroids (AAS). The negative-feedback system of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPTA) shuts down pituitary production of gonadotropins after extended exposure to AAS. This has been documented both in patients receiving AAS for legitimate medical reasons such as AIDS or cancer and in athletes using AAS illicitly.
Hypogonadism may persist for some time after steroid use is discontinued, or indefinitely until treated.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
equally
i wonder if this has been a problem for most of his life (not producing enough of the hormones needed via a secondary or primary classification or if it was anobalic steroid induced
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what little I know
I doubt this is a problem he’s had all of his life without treatment as he wouldn’t have been able to have put on much muscle mass naturally.
This doesn’t rule out that he could’ve gotten it later in life without steroids because that definitely does happen, but prior heavy steroid useage is a much commoner cause.
by TRanger on May 7, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
been waiting to see your (medical) take on this!
a bigger question is would he use this for say a short term sex drive “push” while taking something else for his condition (if he has one) — or is there any reason that he would jump from whatever he was taking to hGC?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish I knew
Hopefully someone with a much better medical knowledge than me can come around and explain it because this certain subject hasn’t popped up much on my curriculum yet.
by TRanger on May 7, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks anyway!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
per WC/twitter
injuryexpert:: Manny took HCG. Confirmed.
so now the questions are
1) did he take it because of anabolic-induced reasons or has this been a historical problem (should be easy to find out )
2) why was it leaked what he took (medical privacy)/failed – MLB really needs to get a damn hold on these leaks
3) hGC helps “sythasize” testeostone so does he have other probs that have led to him producing low testeostone?
i still think the dodgers/agent/manny has to have something up his sleeve — if you can get it in latin america (clearly you can in mexico), why did he get it in miami/the US?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It could just be following a doping cycle
Takes some form of testosterone between testings (probably with a masking agent for safety) and then takes the HGC as a follow up.
by cstorm15 on May 7, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
and im saying i wonder if a) he has a medical history that would require him to use the drug (would be easy to find out i would think) or if b) it is fairly clear he has been on ’roids —> c) are there ANY other option other than hGC to “restart” the synthesizing?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
1:30pm: ESPN’s T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada say the drug was hCG – “a women’s fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body’s natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.”
Go Rangers...don't suck...
by Kinslerhomer on May 7, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does that lead to the suspicion
that the actual steroid he was taking is undetectable by the current test?
4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
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by DJCahill on May 7, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes and no
yes – because theother guys were using undetectable stuff + his comment about 15 drug tests last 3 years and passing all of them is a lil fishy
but no – because it could be because of a previous health problem (i really want to know if he has one) or it could be a part of any steriod
i am VERY interested to see carroll’s take on this – if its behind the pay wall it might be enough to get me to buy a full year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd have to suspect that
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by t ball on May 7, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the reason why these sorts of drugs are banned substances
Masking agents are illegal because you wouldn’t use them unless you are masking something. Likewise, a recovery agent was decided on being illegal and likely agreed upon by the players association because people don’t use them unless they are masking something.
Maybe there is a medicinal purpose for it, but there is a reason that the ball must be in the players court to clear it with the league first.
by JBImaknee on May 7, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im wondering if he took something else
for long-term use but used hRC for a shorter/one night thing?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a stretch
I’m not one to jump to conclusions, but I’m not sure your alternative explaination has any real medical basis to it…
by cstorm15 on May 7, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no clue medically if it would help (tranger?)
but i am wondering that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really know much about this subject
…but I can’t imagine a doctor prescribing hCG for sexual disfunction over the more commonly prescribed stuff, especially since everyone knows how much scrutiny baseball players are under and how this at least has the appearance of masking something (even if it’s not).
Really looks to me like he was masking steroid use, but I’d love to hear from any clinical physician out there.
by TRanger on May 7, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would agree
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it is indicative of something performance enhancing...
Lets be rational for a minute here: if he had a real medical problem than required this, a long term medical issue that had been documented before, Selig would not have suspended him. A suspension of Manny Ramirez is not a good thing for baseball. If there is any sort of medical rationale for it, he wouldn’t have been suspended for 50 games. Maybe a short suspension or fine for “not following appropriate protocols” or whatever. Not the full deal.
by JBImaknee on May 7, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
However, I do want to remind everyone that this is AJM’s favorite commish handling the issue and his ego is not to be overlooked.
But in general, I really agree with this line of thought. Also the fact that Manny immediately rejected the right to appeal.
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by LBBRangerFan on May 7, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rejecting the right o appeal
either to me says a) he has no appeal or b) he has something up his sleeve
im sitll wondering why he got it in the US if its avaliable in mexico (whichwe know it is b/c of canseco)/it could be traced to him in the US if its illegal to have/take?
wonder how long it takes to cycle hRC outo f your system
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go with B.
Doesn’t the fact that he did this without checking w/ team physicians scream ‘Dirty Laundry’?
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on May 7, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was a free agent at that time he "got it from the dr"
in jan
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see thats part of it
we simply dont KNOW if he had a medical problem that required it yet — the questions i have are was he taking something like hRC? would one use hRC at random times for a stronger sex drive?
i would like to know if he had a conditon which would be fairly easy to find out (but not something that he would want “out therE” about him imho)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But do you buy the "doctor didn't know it was banned" thing?
These are drugs that mess with sex hormones! Sex hormones include testosterone. That seems like something I’d at least look into regarding whether it is banned or not. This isn’t giving some pill to help relieve stress that happens to affect the adrenal glands.
Any doctor that a multi-million dollar baseball player goes to should know that this is something that may be trouble.
by JBImaknee on May 7, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know, i think its possible (we will know if he sues the guy) — but if he really didnt know then the MLBPA needs to deal with this shit ASAP if its a seocnd accidental suspension (romero + manny)
and since we dont know who the dr is (is he connected to other potential steriod guys? just a family dr? etc) we cant know for sure
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
David Bell:
Linked To: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG)
The Story: Bell ordered and received Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) from Applied Pharmacy in April 2006. Bell said the hCG was for a ‘medical condition’ which he declined to disclose. Bell’s name was revealed in a Mar. 6, 2007 Sports Illustrated article entitled Inside the Steroid Sting.
jay gibbons: (from SI)
source in Florida with knowledge of Signature Pharmacy’s client list alleges that between October 2003 and July 2005, Gibbons received six separate shipments of Genotropin (a brand name for synthetic Human Growth Hormone), two shipments of testosterone and two shipments of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG), a hormone produced naturally during pregnancy, but taken by anabolic steroid users to stimulate the production of testosterone, which is suppressed as a result of steroid use. The information regarding Gibbons only pertains to receipt and not actual use of the drugs.
JHJ
The “Almarashi” signature was also affixed to prescriptions for Genotropin and human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) allegedly sent to Texas Rangers outfielder Jerry Hairston Jr. in 2004. In Hairston’s case, the drugs originated from a compound pharmacy in Alabama, according to documents reviewed by SI, but similar to the Gibbons’ case, the information pertained only to the receipt of and not actual use of the drugs. Moreover, Genotropin was not yet banned by MLB.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
other player
reds 07 pick (via BA)
Reds righthander Scott Carroll, a third-round pick from Missouri State in 2007, tested positive for human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), a performance-enhancing substance, and received a 50-game suspension that will take effect at the start of the 2009 season
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"medical condition"
Is not being as good at baseball as you’d like a medical condition?
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by t ball on May 7, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more info re hGC
The Rationale for Banning Human Chorionic Gonadotropin and Estrogen Blockers in Sport — David J. Handelsman from Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
Abstract
Context: The objective of the study was to review the rationale underlying the banning of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and estrogen blockers (antiestrogens, specific estrogen receptor modulators, aromatase inhibitors) in sports for male and female athletes in the light of gender differences in regulation of reproductive physiology.
Evidence Acquisition: We reviewed well-controlled clinical studies of exogenous testosterone effects on human muscle size and strength in men and all available evidence relevant to the effects of hCG and estrogen blockers on blood testosterone in men and women.
Evidence Synthesis: Well-designed placebo-controlled clinical studies in men with suppressed pituitary-testicular axis establish a strong case that, across a wide range from sub- to supraphysiological doses, muscle growth and strength is proportional to exogenous testosterone dose and resulting blood testosterone concentrations. In men, there is unequivocal evidence that hCG and estrogen blockers cause consistent and sustained rise in blood testosterone concentrations. In women, although there has been no direct testing of ergogenic or myotrophic properties of exogenous testosterone in healthy women, either hCG or estrogen blockers do not produce any consistent or biologically significant increase blood testosterone concentrations.
Conclusions: In men undergoing potential stimulation of endogenous blood testosterone concentrations, blood testosterone concentration is a reasonable surrogate measure for muscle growth and increased strength in men. Because hCG and estrogen blockers produce marked increase in blood testosterone concentration in men, this provides strong evidence to support the banning of hCG and estrogen blockers in men. In women, however, the negligible effect on blood testosterone suggests that drug-induced performance enhancement by hCG or estrogen blockers is highly unlikely. Furthermore, routine urinary hCG testing in young women risks invasion of privacy by detecting unrecognized pregnancy. These considerations suggest that prohibition of hCG and estrogen blockers should be restricted to men in which they are well justified.
long read
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hCG
So hCG isn’t produced in men, it’s only produced in women by a developing pregnancy and it maintains the pregnancy. So much hCG is produced that it overflows into the urine and that’s how pregnancy tests work, they test for hCG.
hCG is very similar to another hormone, LH, that is produced by the pituitary gland by everyone, including. LH stimulates leydig cells in the testes which produce, you guessed it, testosterone. Yes, hCG can act as LH and stimulate testosterone production.
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by Desert Ranger on May 7, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok are there other
non-“illegal” choices other than hCG?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I would have a hard time saying there were, because any other choice is also going to stimulate testosterone production, which is what the problem is here. hCG in men is used medically as a treatment for hypogonadism, but if he had that he would have very little to no testosterone without taking meds.
This whole thing seems strange to me, like somethings missing or not being said. There’s no way he should have been anywhere near something that increases testosterone knowing baseballs rules.
Plus, they keep saying hCG is untestable; while I don’t all the chemistry about it’s breakdown in the bloodstream, it definitely is testable. Maybe not if used as a testosterone stimulant though. I don’t know.
"Embarrassing admission: I have never, ever, ever been able to see a guy's aura. That's right. I...am an aura-blind American." -Junior, FJM
by Desert Ranger on May 7, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my understanding
is that hGH is what is untestable, not hGC — but then again the way they got bell/gibbons/JHJ was by following the money — but they got the reds draftee via a failed test?
like i said above, feels like there is something up manny/dodgers sleeve — manny simply has too much to lose by seeming liek he has taken steriods (both in legacy after basbeal
and earning potential after baseball @ signings, etc)
theres the other question/thing that you bring up though, which is was he taking it for the testerstone increases or was he taking it to recover from using PEDs or was he taking it for a “real” reason?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Casey says no one expected a guy of this caliber to be on the positive list.
Um. . . is he really that stupid? Isn’t that illogical and best and the opposite of sound reason at worst?
by philkid3 on May 7, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ha yeah, what is ARod's caliber then?
that doesn’t make sense
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 7, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt see what he said
but taking steriods doesnt = testing positive
maybe thats what he meant?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure he meant, from the rest of the context, you don't expect good hitters to use.
And that’s kind of stupid, and the sort of thing I’d expect from a player trying to stick up for players.
by philkid3 on May 7, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So there is still something fishy about this
Why is Manny waiving his appeal of the suspension?
Something about this says that Selig and Manny came to an agreement about this – Manny agrees not to appeal (because, that is really the only reason not to appeal) in exchange for something. Because if the story were true (it was an accident, Dr misprescribing, whatever), then he’d have a strong case for appeal, at least publicly
This is like getting a huge speeding ticket, saying “Judge, I was going 60 because the speed limit sign was covered and I mistook the 55 for 65, but I’ll go ahead and agree I’m guilty anyway”
by JBImaknee on May 7, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is kind of what i am saying
manny has a LOT to lose — i wonder if he sues the dr?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on May 7, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt there was any deal
Manny probably wants the story to go away with as little knowledge out there as possible…the impossible dream. If he says that it wasn’t a performance enhancing drug and that it was prescribed by his doctor, it makes him look likes less of a cheater. If he doesn’t appeal and accepts that it was his ultimate responsibility under the rules, then it makes him look like he’s trying to be responsible now.
Unfortunately, that plan only works if people don’t find out the real reason for his suspension.
by cstorm15 on May 7, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I just want to say Bitch Tits" - tricer
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 7, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHAHAHA
Another great attitude, terrible defense over the hill LSB fave bites the dust..
I like how yall immediately started damage control by making this about how much David Ortiz sucks, rather than the actual topic, within 5 posts..
by Sharky on May 7, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In the alternate universe LSB that Sharky reads he is.
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
by lonestarJon on May 7, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, like this should come as a big suprise
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
by lonestarJon on May 7, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you think Manny
would get suspended for using a womens fertility drug? If so, good call.
by Finnerty.Fan on May 7, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just enjoy seeing things backfire on LA sports teams.
"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph
by lonestarJon on May 7, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
I often cheer when Leslie Lesley misses her free throws.
by Finnerty.Fan on May 7, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome avatar
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on May 8, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean make a joke?
Yes. I made a joke. I make them from time to time.
by Finnerty.Fan on May 7, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She's related to Lisa Leslie
Google her
by Finnerty.Fan on May 7, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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