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Kevin Millwood did his job.  Derek Holland and Darren O'Day did theirs, realistically speaking.  The bats just didn't produce.

 

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Dear Hawk Harrelson

Politely go jump off a tall building

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on May 9, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

is there any doubt

that 1 or more White Sox will be plunked by Padzilla tomorrow?

by TigerPride on May 9, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Hopefully AJ Pierzynski

In every single AB

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on May 9, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Won't happen

and if it does, it’s extremely stupid.

by cmkelly29 on May 9, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whether it was incidental or not

We’ve hit 7 of thier guys.

They threw behind one of ours.

If Padilla hits anyone purposely tomorrow, he deserves to have his teeth kicked in.

by cmkelly29 on May 9, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Padzilla

I heard the Blue Oyster Cult song “Godzilla” the other day. In my head, I changed all the “Godzillas” to “Padzilla.” It was funny :)

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
I'm an Andrus-caliber catch. :-)

by The Best Micah on May 9, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is awesome.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawk Harrelson with the conniption on WGN

Claiming no way Jenks was throwing at Kins. The GM and the mgr declared they would throw more at opposing batters in the paper recently and Millwood just plunked a guy and whizzed another. OF COURSE he was throwing at Kinsler. idiots

by shroomer on May 9, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Have you ever watched him freak out about the time Nolan Ryan murdered Robin Ventura?

He freaks out about Ryan not getting tossed and says the only reason Ryan won the fight is because Pudge held Ventura.

by philkid3 on May 9, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jenks had just struck out two batters....he was putting the ball exactly

where he wanted to during those at bats and did the same thing with Kinsler

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein

by GhostofSteveFoucault on May 9, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

the message gets sent much more effectively if you throw at the opposing teams best player

by bdk03a on May 10, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

originality

how many damn “ghost of” user names are there here now?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on May 10, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I asked the same thing yesterday

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on May 10, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't know how you doubt it

jenks had ridiculous control that 9th inning. First pitch of the AB to the guy when there are 2 outs and nobody on base. Of course it was intentional

by ab03 on May 9, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think

Jenks would of been afraid to face Omar with Kinsler on 1B. Jenks missed Kins, is Ozzie going to DFA send him dowm to AAA now?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on May 9, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully we kick some ass tomorrow.

you know for their mothers.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on May 9, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Just like that!!

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein

by GhostofSteveFoucault on May 9, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon KC

Beat LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa

by bstair on May 9, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

the bats

bring back MY and Hammy please. Just one more game…

and slap some patience into hank/byrd.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on May 9, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah

honestly, we have too many holes right now and kinsler isn’t lighting it up.

you would expect to score more than 2 runs but not have a realyl high expectation

by ab03 on May 9, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

p.s.

no post game .gif as I only made a winning version. which i shall now save for tomorrows inevitable win.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on May 9, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Davis would also fall into that category.

And realistically, having your two best hitters (not sluggers) out of the lineup does hurt. And Danks threw the ball very well tonight too. It’s tough to ask a lineup missing two key bats to do a whole lot with the pitching that they saw tonight.

"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin

by utlonghorn24 on May 10, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kinsler was out of the lineup?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 10, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not upset with the loss

The bats bit ass, that’s disappointing.

But the pitching was solid, I’m happy.

by cmkelly29 on May 9, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

happy after a loss?

I’m never happy after a loss. i’m just bitter I guess.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on May 9, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

bad wording

I’m just not too broken up about it. That’s all.

by cmkelly29 on May 9, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The offense still sucks though.

Can’t get a hit with RISP to save ourselves some nights.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

CD

can’t catch up to a FB and can’t recognize a breaking ball. Gee. Pitchers have the best of both worlds against him. The Rangers need to get Smoak up to OKC quickly. If he can handle AAA pitching and CD is still struggling at the ASB…

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on May 9, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

...then we'll see.

But this “OMG Davis sucks we need Smoak now!!!!” nonsense is ridiculous.

by Adam J. Morris on May 9, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

At what point

does Davis become a liability?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on May 9, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

who are you replacing him with?

that makes all the difference in the world

by ab03 on May 9, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with ab03 below

Smoak, but only if he proves himself in AAA first.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on May 9, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually....

depending on how well Smoak proves himself at the AAA level by the ASB, I would like to see a Davis/Smoak platoon @ 1st.

And then, hopefully, the Hacktastic Hank days will be over.

She say she are the manager.

by rockin_rangers on May 9, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh..

for real though I wouldn’t mind seeing Hank at 1st and AJ just be full-time DH for a little while until Davis gets things together

by Mike E on May 9, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is completely unacceptable

i will not take the defensive hit for a guy who only strikes out marginally less than davis

by ab03 on May 9, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

At what point do you just shitcan a 23 year old who is supposed to be one of the cornerstones of the future and who had a great rookie season?

Good grief, it just stuns me how quickly people have turned on this guy, particularly given how much love he was getting at the end of last year.

People have short memories.

by Adam J. Morris on May 9, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, people shitcanned Salty for a 28 y/o backup catcher who had a couple good months last year

So somehow people shitcanning Davis so quickly doesn’t really surprise me.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, of course

Because the situations are so similar.

by Adam J. Morris on May 9, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well

They’re both highly touted young hitters who have struggled in the beginning of their second go-round in the majors. And as a result, they’ve both been shitcanned by those with the “what have you done for me lately” mentality. So yeah, I think the situations are pretty similar.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

Because Davis had a nice half season in the majors before his struggles? That seems stupid to me. A highly touted young player is a highly touted young player. You can’t defend one and say it’s okay to dump all over another.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

why arent they similar? Im not sure why its not that different

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on May 9, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's weird is in the off-season, I felt everyone was too high on Davis.

I came off as relatively pessimistic on his stock.

Now I’ve become one of his more ardent supporters.

by philkid3 on May 9, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have.

Law school has, if nothing else, taught me that I’m a dumb piece of shit. I’ve been sufficiently broken.

by brettgardner on May 10, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Poor Brett…we still love ya’.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on May 10, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa there AJM

If CD is still struggling at the ASB, the Rangers in a pennent race and Smoak is handling AAA, I think the Rangers have to consider replacing CD with Smoak. I am not turning on the guy but at some point he becomes a liability.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on May 9, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was Chris Davis

a cornerstone before last year? I don’t recall hearing a lot about him in 07

4/10/09 - Josh Hamilton's last walk.
"You know a pitching prospect isn't any good if John Daniels doesn't trade him away but keeps him insteaad." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/
"You probably can throw Neftali Feliz on that group of overblown Rangers pitching prospect failures." - http://crops.mlblogs.com/

by DJCahill on May 10, 2009 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's definitely not a liability right now.

He’s a disappointment, but not a liability. He’ll become a liablity when his defense bottoms out or his offense gets even worse. For now, he’s not as good as we may have unreasonably expected, but he’s still solidly above a replacement.

And, more importantly, if he’s considered a future cog in this machine, he needs playing time to show what he can do and to try and break out of his woes.

by philkid3 on May 9, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

And even if he were a one-WAR player

or only worth hafl a battle, you don’t even think about shitcanning him after 30 poor offensive games.

23 years old. Made huge strides defensively. Plenty of time to work out his struggles at the plate. The Fuck?

by Snark on May 9, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Let Smoak come at his own pace. He’ll be here soon enough.

What I’m thinking about is Davis becoming trade bait at the deadline if we’re in contention and looking to snag a pitcher. His value is obviously down from what it was this winter, but he’s still young and he’s been playing great defense.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, boy

The “let’s trade Davis as soon as we can” meme. I hate that one, too.

I’m starting to think Sharky might be on to something.

by Adam J. Morris on May 9, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Smoak is going to make one of MaxRam or Davis expendable if all goes well. Max isn’t hitting right now in AAA, so right now he looks like the most expendable, but if we can get something good for Davis…

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Davis sucks, and Smoak should be brought up as soon as possible

if Davis continues to suck, at which point the Rangers will get something good for Davis?

by Snark on May 9, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said above

He’s still young, plays good defense and has power potential. Even if he’s struggling, that seems like a fairly tradeable peice.

Hopefully however, he won’t continue to struggle and he’ll revive some value by the ASB break. At which point I would feel fine trading him for the right return because of his K/BB tendancies.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we should start shopping him, just that he’s expendable in my eyes should the right deal present itself. I’m afraid I’ve come around to OC’s line of thinking on that one.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been on the "Davis might be tradebait" wagon

since last season, but I’d hope the Rangers wouldn’t even consider that until Smoak establishes himself and Davis’ value is at more of a relative maximum. Trading Davis should be a best, not worst, case scenario.

by Snark on May 9, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

I’m just thinking though that given the weak nature of the AL west this year, dealing him could be more likely to happen at the deadline than in the winter heading into 2010. Nolan is going to be pushing for some kind of move at the deadline if we’re still in contention, and Davis seems like the most likely young piece to go.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing is

any deal at the deadline better not just help the Rangers this season, but for the next two or three years as well. It better be for young, MLB-ready, front-of-the-rotation pitching that the Rangers can hang onto. Maybe Davis can be a part of that, but not unless he really turns it around at the plate. There’ll be too many questions for him to be a centerpiece, and he’s too valuable (even in a bad season) to have him be a throw-in.

In a perfect world, Smoak would be ready for the majors at the deadline (with the promise of above-average defense to go along with that bat), Davis would be performing to expectations, the Rangers would be in it, and a guy like Matt Cain would be available at fair value. The Rangers would then have some tough choices to make.

If Davis doesn’t tear it up over the next 50-70 games, though, I’d really hope he’s not dealt at the deadline unless some team’s willing to trade on his potential, not his 2008-2009 performance.

by Snark on May 9, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good points

I wouldn’t want to see Davis dealt as a throw in, but I think I could handle him being #2 piece behind somebody like Martin Perez, provided those where the only two impact players we where giving up. Like Perez+Davis for Ricky Nolasco for example. But I definitely wouldn’t go trading that package for Roy Halladay or something, who’d only be under control for 1 more year.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

So we trade Davis when his value is low...

…because…well, just because.

I still don’t understand why there seems to be such a push to move him.

by Adam J. Morris on May 9, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Expendable?

That idea is just as bad, that somehow you have to trade one of those guys (and soon!) just because Smoak looks to be ready by September or April 2010. Smoak is not “blocked”, and both Davis and Ramirez are still quite young.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on May 10, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

well

Smoak is about the only reason I would send down Davis. No way I roll with Hank or anybody else at 1b

by ab03 on May 9, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

MY's slump is grounding out to SS 9 times out of 10.

Davis’s is striking out 5+ times out of 10.

I still think its just a slump. A really ugly, long slump that I wish would end.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on May 9, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding Smoak

Does Nate Gold have anything to do with the org’s plans on leaving Smoak at AA?

I know you don’t let a Nate Gold block a Justin Smoak… But why did they sign him? Just an attempt to jump-start a bad offense for the time being?

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on May 9, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's pretty funny.

"That start was like somebody on a deathbed suddenly jumping up and doing the Lindy Hop, then speeding away on a pogo stick while playing the fiddle." - Telegraph

Hello Win Column

by LSJ on May 9, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahaha, that is an awesome gif

hahaha, wow, good stuff

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on May 9, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Long, but definitely worth it

That was hilarious

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on May 9, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMG freaking awesome.

Welllllll done sir.

"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin

by utlonghorn24 on May 10, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least the Rangers will still be in first by the end of the night.

Oh and ghtd36, I live in London. On weekends I often fall victim to “It’s 1am, but I’ll just watch one inning…” and end up staying up way later. Makes Mondays come waaaay too early.

by JBP on May 9, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh! Austria! Good day mate! Let's put another shrimp on the barbie!

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on May 9, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Europe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA

by mchang4 on May 9, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually

I think Rodney is just still drunk

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
I'm an Andrus-caliber catch. :-)

by The Best Micah on May 9, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dumb and Dumber quote,

Dummy.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on May 10, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which one were you?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on May 10, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

So here's what I've been worried about all this time

Greinke is awesome, but the Royals can’t hit well, and the Angels had their one good pitcher against Greinke and so the Angels won 1-0. Now they’re 1/2 game behind the Rangers and have been hot lately. That’s the Angels’ dream scenario… Lackey and Escobar are on rehab assignments right now, and the Angels have been winning even though Ortega is stinking up his spot in the rotation. Lackey at 50 percent is still far better than Ortega.

This upcoming week will probably be very telling. The A’s look like a non-factor this year, the M’s have started to fall by the wayside after the generally bad offense has caught up with them… and if the Angels are able to climb back into first place even before the reinforcements show up… well, this is going to suck.

by Inkara1 on May 9, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Geez...

hope you plan on taking your antidepressant this evening.

She say she are the manager.

by rockin_rangers on May 9, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no doubt

when the Angels are full strength it is their division without a doubt, they have more talent by far than any of the other west div teams, even if Hamilton hits like he did last year when he comes back the rangers will still likely end up like last season in 2nd place, the Rangers offense is not going to be as good as last year but i think pitching and defense will be better so they may actually finish a couple of games over 500…..next year though, lookout!

LOL seems that what we always say every year

When will this Rangers Pitching Nightmare Ever End, Year after year after year, it just goes on and on........

by TRFAN on May 10, 2009 1:22 AM CDT reply actions  

OT: Mavs stuff

Here is a quote I found from somebody on another website

“Since 2001, the Mavs are 53-50 overall in playoffs. Dallas’ record when Danny Crawford is NOT working the game is 52-35. Dallas’ record when Crawford IS working the Mavs game is. … 1-15.”

by texasraider on May 10, 2009 3:57 AM CDT reply actions  

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