Minors 6/15
by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 4:02 PM CDT
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Lots of minor league action, including a Hickory double header.
Here's what we got:
4:00- OKC Box - Corey - Bleh, at least we get to see if Maxram can continue to come out of his extended hitting slump. The main thing is for his power to come back, it could be that he's been hurt and thats been hindering his power, I hope thats the case and he proves in the second half that he is what he's always been, a ~.300/400/500 type hitter.
4:00- Hickory, Game One Box, Nam - Hmm, should be interesting if he can dominate as a starter like he has been as a RP. According to Announcer, Nam in the 1st working at 88 MPH, usually works in mid 80s
Game 2 Box, Hickory - Font- I hope Font can get his walks down.
7:00 - Frisco Box- Beavan! - Debut for C-Wun, against Midland, should be full of awesomeness. We shall see what Beavan does from here on out, by promoting him this early, I get the feeling that Beavan might have a shot at working his way into the 2010 rotation at some point next year... We shall see, he seems like the type of pitcher who can adjust to the Show better than most young pitchers, keeping his walk rate under 3 per nine will be the big thing for me to watch. Of course, Id love to see him striking out 8 or 9 guys per 9. But even if he doesnt ever get his stuff back to that level, I think we can reasonably expect him to become a solid mid-rotation guy with his exceptional command if it continues to play at the higher levels.
A quick comparison:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=porcel001ric
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=beavan001bla
Eh? both in high A, of course Beavan is in the Cal League likely inflating his ERA a little bit, but the Ks and BBs look suprisingly equal. Beavan can be a solid starting pitcher in the show even if he never strikes out that many guys
Oh yea,
9:00 - Bakersfield Box- Tim Murphy - Poor guy is getting shelled in the Cal LG. I wonder if its time to move him back to being a RP?
and if you havent seen this, BBTIA has a great, great breakdown of MiLB performances at the halfway point:
http://www.bbtia.com/home/2009/6/15/rangers-minor-league-review-the-60-game-mark.html
Really cool stuff, feel free to discuss that as well.
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In the 1st, Nam Ks first two batters
3rd batter grounds to 1st and beats Nam to the bag, then two straight singles after that to tie the game at 1-1
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and he strikes out the side
using his CB as the Swing and miss pitch at least twice for the K (just turned it on). His CB seems to be a very good swing and miss pitch at this level.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nam in the 2nd,
Pop up
HR on a Fastball
Strike Out on a CB in the dirt.
Strike Out Foul tip, not sure what pitch.
2 IP, 4 H, 0 BB, 5Ks, 1 HR… hmm
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nam: 7Ks through 3 IP, 1 BB and 5 hits
struggling, but he sure is striking out a bunch of dudes
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
8 Ks through 4 IP
He’s eating them up with his Curve. Dropping it down out of the strike zone, causing alot of swings and misses
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he's done through 4
his final line: 4 IP, 5H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8Ks, 1 HR
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take it.
He’ll make a helluva releiver.
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it sure looks like it
with his curve, I think he can make it as a solid lefty reliever
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much the level
plays into it. Will upper level minor leaguers along with MLB players be able to lay off that pitch?
He’s someone to watch though.
by Hull Fan on Jun 15, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who could know, except maybe a scout.
We’ll find out, I am sure, but his strike out ability could make him a much better that a LOOGY, if it holds up.
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cruve's legit.
When I saw him he could throw it for strikes or bury it in the dirt for K’s.
I think at worst you’ve got a decent LOOGY prospect off just his FB/CV combo.
Maybe more, but that fastball was pretty straight when I saw it. He’s also got some herk in his jerk than prolly makes him really tough to pick up for lefties.
He needs to go to Bak soon though to see if that curve can fool more advanced hitters as he moves up.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 15, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to know, thanks.
I also would love to see him move up, but damn(!)…this system is getting logjammed all over the freakin place, and not with spares or retreads.
What a wonderful problem to have.
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off the D.L.
The Latin Wind blows again.
by shroomer on Jun 15, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope
he doesn’t blow, again. He’s been a bit encouraging this year. I’d love it if he and Pina hit enough to be glove wizards with decent bats.
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by t ball on Jun 15, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OKC wins 5-1
A suprising HR for Vallejo, first of the year i believe. Borbon had two hits and a double, MaxRam did not do anything and ended his hit streak. Dozer had the last inning and K’ed two dudes, I wonder if he’ll go permanently to relief, where I think he belongs and be effective, hopefully in the big leagues
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great trade aquisition, huh?
He don’t cost shit in prospects ;-)
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the OKC box score
and noticing Samardzija sure makes me wonder how good he’d look in a Cowboys uniform right about now.
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by hinduplaya on Jun 15, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beavan's 1st
1st Batter:
FB- Strike Looking
FB- Strike L
FB- GB to Pitcher in on hands
2nd Batter:
FB – Ball
FB – Foul
FB? – GB to 2nd
3rd Batter (Adrian Cardenas)
FB – Ball
FB – Foul
FB – 2B down 3B line, late on FB
4th Batter (Chris Carter)
FB – Ball
FB – Strike
Breaking Ball – Wild Pitch, runner to 3B
FB – Fouled back
FB – Fouled off
Breaking Ball – Wild Pitch, Runner scores
? – Grounded to SS
Fastball seems to be a little too much for most of the swings by Midland. Tough break to give up that run
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Pina catching?
Two wild pitches seems out of sorts for him and Pina to allow
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by bigsteve on Jun 15, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wild pitches
did he just uncork some 59’ breaking balls, or did Pina fail to block them, or was Cardenas just really aggressive on the bases? or something else?
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by tricer on Jun 15, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A massive case of sphincter clinching nerves?
His first AA start…hell, he can practically smell Arlington from there. Scratch that, he is in Midland, so he most likely smells cow shit.
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was there a definitive
word on what happened with Main?
by Houston27 on Jun 15, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My theory
it’s an “injury” involving him going to extended to work on keeping the ball down.
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by t ball on Jun 15, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A crippling case of Luis Mendoza disease.
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by lonestarJon on Jun 15, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan's 2nd
5th batter:
FB- Inside
FB – Lined to Left
1B
6th Batter:
FB – Ball
FB – Strike Called
FB – Strike C
Breaking Ball – Ball, Stolen Base
FB – Fouled Back
FB – Fouled away
High FB – Swinging Strike Out
K
7th Batter:
FB – Strike C
FB – Ball Away
FB – Fouled away
? – Ground ball to SS, Error by Osuna, Runner on 2nd scores on the play
8th Batter:
FB – Strike
? – Ball
Slider – Fouled off
FB Up – Swinging strike
K
9th Batter:
FB – Ball
FB – Swinging Strike (late)
Slider in the dirt – Swinging Strike
FB – Swinging Strike
K – Sulentic overmatched
Strikes out the side with a solid 1B in there and an Error
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So, with a little better defense, he may have a clean line?
And he thought the D sucked balls in A+, huh? Well, that’ll learn ’im.
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, I really think from the sound of it, Pina should have probably blocked one of those two balls in the dirt
it was probably just Beavan’s hard slider and Pina’s first time blocking it (at least this year)
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Font Thru 4 IP
1 run allowed, retired the last 11 batters in a row
nice recovery after a shakey start in the 1st inning
by shroomer on Jun 15, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beavan 3rd:
1st Batter:
FB – Inside Ball
Slider – Strike Called
FB – Fouled
Breaking ball – Fouled off
FB Up – Swinging strike (couldnt check swing)
Whoever said he was using the High fastball as his swing and miss pitch was dead on… He’s definitely using it alot, he sets it up well though with his breaking pitches before it.
2nd Batter:
FB – Fouled off
FB – Ball
FB – Jammed pop up to left
3rd Batter (Cardenas)
FB – Foul
FB – Line out to CF
quick inning
83-85 MPH slider according to Gardner
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is his FB velocity?
Sounds like he is more pitcher than thrower.
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by RangerMad on Jun 15, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I havent heard any readings, but it really sounds like all the hitters are late to very late on it
whether it looks harder than it is coming out of Beavan’s 6’7 body, or its really hauling in the mid 90’s… Either way, I think he’s definitely increased his velocity from last year.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That inning looks sweet.
I dunno why, but I have always thought he would get better as he moved up. I think all the “velo” worries may have put a bias in some peeps minds…I think he could be a solid 3/borderline 2.
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, i agree, if he reaches all his potential as is without any increase in velocity, he could certaintly be a 3.
I also think he’s not too far away from breaking into the bigs.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Moreland
Dude has been pretty dang good. He played well in bakersfield and looks good in frisco. Is he a true prospect? I am a little uneducated on this guy, seems to have come from nowhere…
by mikeTCU on Jun 15, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Read this write up,
here, and try not to let your pants fly around the room too much.
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sent back to ARZ
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any word on why?
Injury? Performance?
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by bioaggie on Jun 15, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no idea, someone else reported something like this
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he just needed to clear his head for a few weeks....
by Aneel on Jun 15, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so.
I read he was “rehabbing” in the AZL yesterday, no injury has been mentioned. I think it was more of a refresher course. And of course, the Rangers do this quite often with the low A guys/younger players.
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan's 4th
4th Hitter (Chris Carter):
FB Down – Swinging Strike
Hard Slider – Swinging Strike
? – Called Strike 3 (my radio went out)
K
5th Hitter:
Ball
Ball
GB to left
1B
6th Hitter:
FB – Fouled away
Slider down – Ball
FB down – Ball
Line Drive to RF corner
2B
7th Hitter:
FB? – Ball
FB? – Foul Tip
GB knocked down by Beavan,
Fielder’s choice, RBI
8th Hitter:
Breaking Ball Bounces in – Ball one
FB – Foul
Slider – Swinging strike
FB? – chopped Foul
FB High – Fouled back
Breaking ball – Fouled off
FB? – inside
FB – Fouled back
FB – Foul tip, dropped by Pina
popped to short left
F7
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Moreland already having a huge game
3 hits by the 5th inning, 2 singles and a solo HR in the 5th
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking earlier
when I saw he only had 2 singles that he needs to mix in a XBH every now and then.
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by RangerMad on Jun 15, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
71% stikres (50 of 70)
for Beavan’s 4 innings.
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by RangerMad on Jun 15, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Two ground ball singles to start the 5th for Beavan....
anyone know if they were they legit or cheaply hit
by groundingout on Jun 15, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1st one was cheap
up the middle lemon just couldnt throw him out on the backhand.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan 5th
9th Hitter:
GB up the middle that Lemon gets but throws late to 1st
1st Hitter:
FB? – Strike called
Ground Ball to Left
1b
2nd Hitter:
FB – Ball
FB – Ball
FB – Fouled Back
FB – Strike Called
Slider – Fouled back
FB High – Check Swing Foul
FB – GB 1st – Runners going
Fielders Choice, Runners to 2nd and third
3rd Batter (Cardenas):
FB – Fouled Off
FB – Single to right
two runs score
4th Batter (Carter):
Slider: Called Strike
FB: Fouled Back
FB Away: Swinging Strike
K – Beavan has owned Carter
5th Batter:
FB – Popped to Left
F7
Well, Midland is singling Beavan to death, too bad because he’s pitching really well and throwing tons of strikes.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the pitch by pitch
any idea on his pitch count?
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by tricer on Jun 15, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
86 going into the 6th
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland almost hit another HR
just foul
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
btw, opposite way, he hits it that way alot apparently
Moreland then hits another single up the middle, RBI
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan
With a good D, It’s not unreasonable to expect that he’d be throwing a scoreless game.
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by Conjunction on Jun 15, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yea, he very could, there are just a few things that have gone just a little bit wrong
tought to give up 4 ERs
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan's 6th
6th Batter:
FB – Foul
? – Foul tap
Breaking Ball in the dirt – Ball
FB – Just missed away
FB – Fouled away
? – Lined to Left
Caught by Tim Smith, F7
7th Hitter:
Line Drive that carries over Gentry’s head
2B
Blake Beavan is Done…
Final Line:
5.1 IP 8 H, 6Ks 0 BBs… 5 RA, 4 ERA up til now, could be one more if runner scores from 2nd. And Thomas Diamond immediately allows that runner to score, giving Beavan 5 ERs and 6 RA
Overall, It was a great, if not superb outing if you take the defense out of the equation. He had a couple of hard hit balls off him, but mostly just a ton of singles and a couple of unlucky plays. He threw a ton of strikes, 69 of 93 for 74% strikes…. thats really good.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and a ton of pitches for 5 innings
by Goyogringo on Jun 15, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh, you can attribute almost all of that to plays not being made, there was only one at bat where he was forced to throw a bunch of pitches
im not gonna say that everything was the defenses fault, but about 95 % of it was. Its tough to say that he would have thrown nearly that many pitches with some plays being made… He walked no one, and only got into one extended battle with a hitter.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very happy with it.
And Beavan has to be one of the 5 youngest players in that league, doesn’t he?
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by Conjunction on Jun 15, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know about 5 youngest
But at only 20 years and less than 5 months right now I would think hes real close
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by bigsteve on Jun 15, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id think he almost has to be if Lemon is the youngest positional player.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
13h/9 is not good
call me when he starts throwing his changeup. Rotation ETA: 2011
by Goyogringo on Jun 15, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I have no idea if he threw his CU, the announcers in a MiLB game almost never knows the difference between a CU
and a breaking ball… its impossible to say.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love making judgements on a prospects future
after his first start in the upper minors
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 15, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is better is letting one's
prospect happy pants be your guide. Maybe you should be addressing B84’s “Beavan to the ’10 rotation” talk?
by Goyogringo on Jun 15, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh you're both kneejerking
but quoting a h/9 stat after one start as a reason for a longer timetable is a little ridiculous.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 15, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please. I was critiquing
the “throwing strikes is good” comment less than scripting his future.
by Goyogringo on Jun 15, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well OK
I don’t think there’s much wrong in thinking throwing strikes is bad. Again, it was his first start in the upper levels.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 16, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'might have a shot at working his way into the rotation in 2010'...
Is there anything crazy about that?
Considering Derek Holland had all of 20 IP in Frisco before practically starting in the Majors… So he Beavan pitches this half of the season in AA giving him at least 50 or 60 IP in AA, pitches another 30 to 40 next year in either AA or AAA, and has 100 IP above A+. With his control, I dont see why he cant at least be considered at some point next year, especially with the way we treated Holland. A guy who demonstrates very good control as an upper echelon prospect in our system is going to get a rather quick shot at rising to the Majors.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not comparable cases
Holland pitched 2 years before entering the system for one thing, so it has little to do with innings/level. For another, his meteoric rise through the system, his increase in velo 4-6 mph throughout this process, and the refinement of his slider, has little in common with a predictable promotion based on good progress for a pitcher making the most difficult jump in the minors without possessing much of a changeup.
The pitch that Beavan has made the most progress on is his 4-seam while refining his sinker and slider and he will probably spend the next year working on his changeup and refining all his other pitches. This would be a pretty typical progression for a prospect drafted out of high school (unless your in the old TX system where they made to AAA/ML without an ave changeup, eg Hurley). So next year maybe he puts it all together to get a sept callup or a spot start. But to suggest that he will be in the mix for a 2010 rotation spot out of spring training qualifies as crazy talk in my book (which, admittedly, not many have read).
For a pitcher who enters the system – a pitcher not named Porcello – at 17/18, I think their first year in AA tends to be a pretty heavy development year in which that are forced to develop and use a third pitch in addition to refining their better pitches. Look at Poveda for example. He has actually spent the entire year working on a 2-seamer, to the detriment of his stats, while already possessing 3 pitches. Even for college guys it seems to be that way as well. Hunter worked on his changeup there, Diamond worked on his breaking ball there when he came up (still working on it it seems).
Poveda, Moscoso, Feliz and even Hunter are all much more likely than Beavan to make the rotation out of spring training in 2010 if one presumes a typical developmental track for him. They will have been working for a year or more on their third pitch (#4 for Poveda), their command, and perfecting their best offerings.
Perhaps Main should be the ultimate cautionary tale; He was the guy penciled into the 2010 rotation going into spring training.
by Goyogringo on Jun 15, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Beavan should, would, or could make the rotation out of spring training
by no means. I was saying that at some point in 2010, Beavan will have had well over 100 IP in AA or higher. Whether Holland was a unique situation or not, he was signed into our system at the same time as Beavan out of a podunk Junior college. I dont think his years of JC pitching are worth more than a year and half of Pro Pitching and training. Holland showed the ability to consistently throw strikes, thats why he, not Feliz, is in the show. To me, Main was not in anyway gonna get to the major leagues quicker than Beavan. He’s not nearly as polished, thats why his recent struggles dont bother me very much, he hasnt focused on pitching a whole lot until the last full year really.
Beavan, whether or not there is still development left in him in the middle of next season, could definitely get his shot to pitch in the bigs. If he continues to post his rediculously low walk rates, I’ll say he almost certaintly will pitch in the ML by the end of next year. If he struggles some over the next year, increasing his walk rate to over 3 per 9, then he probably wont pitch in the bigs next year. I think this teams wants and values that more than anything else, the ability to throw strikes… Holland hasnt figured out his secondary pitch, Id say that i dont think its even as good as Beavan’s is now, but he throws strikes, so they threw him out there knowing he still needs to learn alot, because at least he wont walk everyone. Personally, thats pretty much how i see it going with Beavan, even if he doesnt quite have his Changeup developed next year, midway through next season if there is an opening, Beavan could very well get his shot.
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No its not
But the 9+ K/9 and the 0 BB/9 are pretty good don’t you think
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by bigsteve on Jun 15, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I would say judging a minor league pitcher by H/9 alone is a very misguided analysis.
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by WestTxAg06 on Jun 15, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when Marcus Lemon is your SS.
I think JD’s doing this to spite all the "when we gon’ get sum pitchin’ in here" idiots.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"~ RCCook.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 15, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere dirkatron is sobbign
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
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by WestTxAg06 on Jun 15, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this Thomas Diamond kid?
Think he has anything?
by tyd3311 on Jun 15, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if Diamond
flames out and is dropped from the 40 this fall if there’s a roster crunch. He can’t stay healthy and when he does he’s not been very good. I don’t think the Rangers want to cut ties with him too soon but if the difference is keeping Castillo and Pina vs Diamond and adding back Hurley, well by Diamond.
by Hull Fan on Jun 15, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's another candidate
to be cut loose. I guess my main point is they’ve got darn near twenty pitchers in extended waiting for assignments, then they’re going to add another 15 at least. Some bodies are going to have to be let go. If Diamond can turn it around good for him and us but I’d be surprised if a few arms aren’t either dealt or released. Some team that may have a few extra hitters or better org filler position players could make a move for the Bannister’s, Diaz’s, Ballard, Eppley, or Schlact’s of this organization.
by Hull Fan on Jun 15, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, i did catch a 94 MPH from the Radio
the bit i did hear. Im not sure if he sat close to that
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and his changeup was really working from what i did hear, probably could have been helped by increased velo
Struck out two with the CU
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well i'm encouraged.
I haven’t given up yet
by tyd3311 on Jun 15, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id pretty much given up on him this year
maybe his recent success is a sign of good things…. He still needs to work on his control
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by blalock84 on Jun 15, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Golson
Glad to see he was moved up in the line up. Batting 2nd today he was 1-3 with a BB.
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by RangerMad on Jun 15, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Walks are really important for him.
If he can raise his walk total in the 2nd half I’d be interested in him getting a legit Sept call up.
by Hull Fan on Jun 15, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Golson progress
I’m not yet convinced that Golson is a big leaguer, but the progress that he has made in reducing his strike-outs this year in his first run at AAA pitching has been very encouraging. That appears to be a result of better plate discipline as witnessed by his improved walk rate.
2006 – 593 PA, 160 K, 30 BB = 27% K’s, 5% BB’s, 0.188 BB/K
2007 – 607 PA, 173 K, 23 BB = 29% K’s, 4% BB’s, 0.133 BB/K
2008 – 470 PA, 130 K, 34 BB = 28% K’s, 7% BB’s, 0.262 BB/K
2009 – 206 PA, 45 K, 18 BB = 22% K’s, 9% BB’s, 0.40 BB/K
And he seems to be making month-to-month progress:
April – 68 PA, 22 K, 6 BB = 32% K’s, 9% BB’s, 0.27 BB/K
May – 80 PA, 14 K, 7 BB = 18% K’s, 9% BB’s, 0.5 BB/K
June – 58 PA, 9 K, 5 BB = 16% K’s, 9% BB’s, 0.56 BB/K
by spurdynasty on Jun 16, 2009 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a nice trend, I guess he was such a raw player coming out that we can only hope he's a late bloomer
For some reason when I think about what Golson could be down the line, I think a stronger armed Marlon Byrd. Of course, I dont know if we will ever reap the benefits of Golson’s productive years
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by blalock84 on Jun 16, 2009 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Golson
Is also much, much faster than the Byrdman.
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by Conjunction on Jun 16, 2009 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Late bloomer?
He’s only 5 months older than Borbon.
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by t ball on Jun 16, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been in pro ball for a while now, 5 years +. Been considered pretty much a bust until the last two years.
He’s still not really ready to be an effective or that productive of a hitter at the ML level despite the steady improvements. I say give him another year or so and he might get there, maybe at 25 or 26. Thats just the way i see it, he was such a raw hitter coming out of HS its taken him a while to build his hitting skills.
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by blalock84 on Jun 16, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're saying
and I guess that’s the hope with him.
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by t ball on Jun 16, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
beavan
looked pretty solid tonight. some bad luck. he got out of a few jams. he owned the bottom of the lineup. that cardenas kid can flat out hit. moreland hit the ball on the nose his first four times up. t. smith had 4 real good at bats too. won’t show up in the box score. whittleman sucks. diamond and diaz looked good. so did b. jones. strop’s fastball looked good. other stuff below avg.
not one good defensive player in the lineup. they all looked bad at least once.
by mo on Jun 16, 2009 1:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the first hand account, mo
Did you happen to catch a few velocity readings? It would be great to have an idea of what Beavan’s average velocities were for his 4-seamer and 2-seamer.
In an interview a couple of weeks ago, Beavan was quoted as saying that he really likes the progress that he has made with his change-up. Did you happen to notice how often he went to the change?
by spurdynasty on Jun 16, 2009 4:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hard
to tell what pitches he was throwing. we were behind Frisco dugout. The 2 WP in the first were both in the dirt that Pina couldn’t block. After that, his off speed stuff was pretty good whether it was CU or slider. Stadium gun was 3-4 mph slow.
my buddy with me went and talked to two different scouts and they both said same thing. so he was
thowing his FB at 91-93 consistently. CU was probably 81-84 since that was his lower readings. sliders would have been 84-85 range. our angle wasn’t good for seeing movement.
by mo on Jun 16, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavan's fastball
at 91-93 is a really good sign. Hopefully, the 4-seamer program that he is on will allow him to add a couple of more MPH to both his 2- and 4-seam fastballs this year.
Since it sounds like you were watching the stadium gun, can you estimate what percentage of his pitches were not fastballs?
Thanks again for the report.
by spurdynasty on Jun 16, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The Blanton deal looks like a steal.
I think JD’s doing this to spite all the "when we gon’ get sum pitchin’ in here" idiots.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"~ RCCook.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 16, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold on Cardenas, yet
His AA numbers this year have been outstanding, but he flopped in AAA this year and was not very good in AA last year.
by spurdynasty on Jun 16, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
what kind of defensive player is he going to be?
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by Brett Perryman on Jun 16, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he
didn’t have anything hit to him last night. but the dude can definitely rake.
He and Moreland were torching the ball. everyone of his hits were lasers. double to each corner too. used the whole field. Moreland’s homer was opposite field. wind was weird. flags in center were blowing in pretty good. left field flags were going towards the left corner.
his homer went off the fair pole half way to 2/3 up. missed another by a few feet. dude has dh written all over him. not good defense. t. smith’s defense wasn’t much better and neither has an arm at all
by mo on Jun 16, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland
throws a low 90’s FB so he has a classic RF arm; can’t speak to his athleticism or OF skill set though…
by Goyogringo on Jun 16, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he
has no idea how to hit the cut off guy. missed twice last night badly.
by mo on Jun 16, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Learning that
doesn’t seem like an insurmountable challenge, though. But, yeah, you don’t hope he’s going to be Clemente out there.
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by t ball on Jun 16, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dropkick
Tim Murphy is having a nice June so far …
18.2 IP, 3.38 ERA, 22 hits, 7 ER, 2 HR, 2 BB, 10 K’s, 2.68 GO/AO, .293 BAA
Giving up some hits but otherwise much much better than he’d been going.
Lotsa groundballs and good command. Hey, it’s a start …
by shroomer on Jun 16, 2009 2:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good, considering he was walking the world at the beginning of the year.
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by lonestarJon on Jun 16, 2009 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
the little reconnoiter effort worked
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by Brett Perryman on Jun 16, 2009 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curveballs and Bakersfield
I have a pet theory that seems to work pretty well in regard to predicting pitching performances in the Cal League – prospects whose best secondary pitch is a curveball struggle more than those who use a slider or change-up.
Hurley (slider) – 4.11 ERA in 18 starts
Diamond (change-up) – 1.99 ERA in 14 starts
Volquez (change-up) – 4.18 ERA in 11 starts
Danks (curveball) – 5.24 ERA in first 13 starts
Phillips (curveball) – 5.54 ERA in first 28 starts
Kiker (curveball) – 4.73 ERA in 21 starts
This year, you have:
Main (curveball) – 7.85 ERA in 11 starts
Murphy (curveball) – 7.33 ERA in 12 starts
Beavan (slider) – 4.30 ERA in 12 starts
Gomez (slider) – 4.74 ERA in 12 starts
For the sake of Martin Perez, Wilfredo Boscan, and Joe Wieland, I hope that the Rangers are able to relocate their High A team to the FSL next year.
by spurdynasty on Jun 16, 2009 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's bizarre
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by Conjunction on Jun 16, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be surprised if Martin and Fredo aren’t in BAK before year’s end.
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by hightowersmith on Jun 16, 2009 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it was Rick Adair
who opined similarly – that guys who spin the ball suffer in the abnormally dry air of the Cal League – lack of bite and all. I believe it was Schlact he was specifically asked about tho.
by shroomer on Jun 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murphy
I love the 2 BB in 18.2.
But Beltre…yeesh.
04/09: .178/.221/.267 (90 ABs)
05/09: .298/.365/.413 (104 ABs)
06/09: .130/.161/.185 (54 ABs)
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by hightowersmith on Jun 16, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
Just looking at his numbers it sure is hard to see any development taking place. I know development often takes place without showing up in the stats, but damn I’d like to see something tangible from this guy.
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by tricer on Jun 16, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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