Friday morning Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 19, 2009 9:12 AM CDT
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Jeff Wilson writes about the Rangers' dwindling A.L. West lead, although the players say it is too early to be watching the standings.
Anthony Andro says that the Rangers have struggled bunting, and Ron Washington concedes that the Rangers aren't a good bunting team.
Evan Grant writes about Eddie Guardado being on the roster bubble, a place where Guardado says he has been before.
The S-T has a look at the Rangers who have a shot at the All Star Game, with Ian Kinsler viewed as a slam dunk, Josh Hamilton and Michael Young seen as likely, Kevin Millwood having a decent shot, and Nelson Cruz likely on the outside looking in.
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I agree
with the sentiment that it’s too early to be watching the standings. They still have 97 games to play if they are or start watching standings now they’ll be out of it mentally by the time August comes around.
I once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels.
by Escher on Jun 19, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think they are fine
and when the bats come around it will let them open space. Seasons are full of peaks and valleys. The offense just happens to be in Death Valley at the moment.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is if the Angels keep going on this hot streak
and we get down about 4 or 5 games, and then Josh and co. come back with a vengeance…the Angels are a veteran team that has great pitching (potential at least) and it will be very hard, no matter how much we hit, to catch them.
It’s pretty damn important in my opinion to keep a lead or keep even with these guys…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the angels will come back down to earth
they dont excel at a single aspect
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The mental aspects of the game have minimal effect.
Haven’t you been reading the threads Esch?
It’s all down to computers these days. The players’ historical stats dictate the outcome of the game and who goes to the playoffs.
by Athos on Jun 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah Crap
I should’ve known that!
Especially sitting here working with computers, routers, and switches all day. I should be on top of that!
I once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels.
by Escher on Jun 19, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should just play out of the park
instead :)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you still think there is no chance Millwood makes the AS team?
7 wins (tied for 6th in the AL), 2.62 ERA (5th in the AL), 99.2 IP (4th in the AL) in 14 starts, and plays for a division leading team.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 19, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he gets in.
At least, I think he deserves it.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jun 19, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he won't but he should
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few more good starts and he is in
An under 3 ERA and he will make the team, id be about willing to guarantee that
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely think
there are players who should work on their bunting. Elvis Andrus is likely to have issues with OBP, so he should work on bunting. OBP will probably be an adventure from time to time with Chris Davis, so he should work on it also.
The more likely you are to make an out in your plate appearance, the less downside there is to dropping a bunt down and giving up your AB to move a run over.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, i think the real problem is that we've gotten so bad at avoiding outs that bunting is starting to make sense.
If we where actually a good offensive team that could reach base and string together big innings, we wouldn’t have to worry about our fucking bunting. But we make so many outs now, we’re now focusing on making the most of our outs.
And that is what’s truly pathetic.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 19, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely correct.
If you have a high OBP, and make outs 60% of your PAs, it makes little sense to bunt.
When you are sucking ass and making outs 75% of your PAs, moving a runner over is better than just striking out.
This offense currently blows, and we are having some players who will probably never have a particularly high OBP, like Elvis and CD, so when they go into slumps, the OBP is likely to get pretty low.
I really don’t care if a .400 OBP guy can’t bunt. .310 and .320 OBP guys probably should know how to drop one down, just for when they are slumping, and are .275 OBP guys.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bunting has its place
Usually reserved for pithcers and certian players late in close games. Not by your #5 hitter in the 6th inning.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still thinking
of the night before.
I’m generally only a believer in bunting in the 9th, or by players who hit like pitchers. Unfortunately, thats a lot of Rangers hitters right about now.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
All the “bunting is never a valid strategy” arguments make assumptions about a player’s ability if he isn’t bunting. Basically, they’re assuming that the batters aren’t as unproductive as certain Rangers have been this year. Which is why it is almost always a valid strategy to bunt with a pitcher.
Of course, pitchers actually practice bunting, whereas most Ranger batters just practice swinging for home runs.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elvis
Elvis should work on bunting not because he has issues with OBP but because it could become a nice weapon for him and because he is a player that will most likely be asked to do it alot.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
that the team as currently assembled is allowed to play out the season and show what they can do, with the possible exception of demoting Davis if he cannot show strides at the plate. We are 9 games over .500 and currently treading water at best, but I do think it shows the mettle of this team to even tread water in the midst of losing a heart of order hitter and closer to injury combined with the terrible offensive slump we’re watching. There is a time for patience.
by texasdoc on Jun 19, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think its safe to say
Davis isn’t making strides at the plate. Every month he is putting up a worse OPS than the month before.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night
was the first night I was ready to give up on him. I know he hit a homer last night, but the pitch recognition is awful. I don’t know that a demotion fixes what ails him- he probably will always be a Kingman type boom or bust hitter. But he is definitely giving away too many at bats to stay around. I would bet the ASB is his deadline.
by texasdoc on Jun 19, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
he’s shown nothing but greatness until this year…he’ll be back at some point. I just wish it was sooner rather than later
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is a lifetime .250 hitter
that ain’t greatness!
by diamond_dave on Jun 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so wait
you’re going to ignore minor league track record
then you’re going to tell me that hitting .285 for an .880 OPS last year wasn’t a pretty good stat for a rookie playing half a season? Might I add, with 17 HR and 55 RBI?
I’m not saying he’s going to be his minor league .302 average/.952 OPS self, but I think last year’s numbers are more in line with what he can do than what he did this year
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually if you look at his minor league record
I don’t think you would predict greatness. I don’t think his minor league K rate or BB rate particularly forecast greatness. Maybe they predict goodness, but its tough to see greatness there.
He looks like a cheap player you use through his arbitration and then cut loose.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right.
and I don’t expect a .285/.880 career out of him. But I do expect better than .200/.600…something closer to .265/.820 with plenty of power and production.
and now, excellent defense.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so roughly
league average offense and gold glove defense?
I can see that. Not this year of course. And he may need time in the minors like Cruz needed.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
an overall above average 1B, all things considered
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah...
defining a hitter by his batting average. excellent idea. great logic. we secede the point.
[please add sarcastic disdain to aforementioned statement]
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by ivysafety39 on Jun 19, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
b/c clearly getting hits is worthless
this is why people dont like sabremetric jackasses…you refuse to acknowledge that even the older, simpler stats are just as valid in their own way
yes, i know your post was tongue and cheek, but the point remains that you meant what you said
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here
I was at the game and CD looked so bad that I’m now thinking he should be sent down ASAP, whatever they are doing with him ain’t working – time to try something different, like a change of scenery.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then what?
Andruw Jones and Blalock everyday? Maybe a little Hamilton at DH when he gets back or the backup catcher? I don’t see that as an improvement.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 19, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still want Smoak
When healthy of course
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't see the improvement ?
You do realize that Chris Davis has been significantly below replacement level offensively, right? He’s among the handful of worst bats in the majors, and not showing any signs of improvement.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 19, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup - I do know that
But between his above-average defense, Hank and Andruw’s below average D, it evens out in my mind. So it’s a push. Add to that Hank and Andruw aren’t in the Rangers future and I say roll with CD until perhaps Smoak or Max are healthy.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 19, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
some comments without reading the links
The fans and FO are probably more worried about the standing then the players.
Isn’t bunting a component of small ball? Something RW said he wanted to excell at when he was hired.
Eddie, the bubble is about to burst.
Ian’s stats are propped up by his torrid April. Pedroia will win the fan vote. I am not sure Ian gets into the AS game.
If Josh can go play golf then he had better get his butt into the batting cage and work on his swing.
Why do you continue to link Galloway articles?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh don't need to work on his swing so much as he needs to work on swinging less.
I’m kind of a afraid he’s the type of guy who can be really horribly impatient if he doesn’t have a patient stabilizer like Bradley hitting near him.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 19, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he worked on a new swing during ST.
He scrapped it in April after a slow start and went back to what he was doing last year. That didn’t help either.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That whole “lets change my swing after my career season” idea was pretty stupid, both on his part and Rudy’s. But it still doesn’t exactly explain his swinging at 88.6% of all the pitches he’s seen in the strike zone this year – which is the second highest among all major league position players this year.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 19, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Innocent question...
Please don’t flame me if this is stupid. But when is it wrong to swing at a pitch in the strike zone?
by bhudson on Jun 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not every pitch in the strike zone is hittable, obviously
And when you’re swinging at the second-most pitches in the zone out of all the position players in baseball, I think it’s safe to say you’re swinging at waaay too many poor strikes.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, a swing and miss is no worse
than a called strike. I guess you’re referring to the hazards of a weak grounder or popout on what would have been called strike 1 or 2…
And I don’t think it is obvious that a pitch that falls within a fairly constrained rectangle would be unhittable… but I get the point, I guess.
by bhudson on Jun 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't swing at a pitcher's pitch, is his point.
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 19, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitters should go up to the plate
looking for a certain type of pitch in a zone where they can handle it. They should take this approach until they get a strike on them.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
That whole "lets change my swing after my career season" idea was pretty stupid, both on his part and Rudy’s.
Not really. If they saw his swing as problematic long term then I’m glad they were proactive and tried to fix the holes now rather than waiting for them to be exposed before taking action.
I remember when ARod reworked his swing when he first came here cause Rudy showed him some holes in it and people were like “ZUH!!!??” but then it ended up working pretty well.
I agree that it’s risky to mess with a players mechanics (pitching or hitting) but if you’re not gonna try to get better, you may as well stop trying.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jun 19, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
its kind of like how Tiger reworked his swing after winning majors. I don’t think I’d rework a baseball swing in midseason, unless I was slumping, but the offseason should be fine.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said (re: Bradley)
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting off a tee
is a reference to baseball, not golf. I thought the same thing the first time I read it, too.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Jun 19, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first thought was
“So he’s going to take batting practice from Luis Mendoza?”
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 19, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
sarcasm
A form of humor that is marked by mocking with irony, sometimes conveyed in speech with vocal over-emphasis.
You didn’t hear the inflection in my voice?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought Grilli
looked pretty good with a fastball around 92-93, good slider and change. The only horrible pitch he’s thrown here was the bomb by Kemp. I think he might be a good pickup for us. I was fearful the bullpen would be our Achilles, but they have patched it together pretty well, esp with FF down.
by texasdoc on Jun 19, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 19, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
problem is that it
is not very deep. RW has not trust in Moscoso or Mathis and I have no trust in Eddie.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly the starters
have covered up that lack of depth nicely. I didn’t say they were stellar, just that they have patched it together pretty well.
by texasdoc on Jun 19, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's plenty deep when FF returns
FF, Wilson, O’Day, Grilli are all very solid…
Eyre and Nippert come off the DL soon, if/when McCarthy returns either he or one of our starters will go to the pen, Feliz is an option down the line as a spark plug…as are many others
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Everybody is focusing on the bullpen’s obvious imperfections, but looking around at other teams, we actually have a good one. And bullpen pitchers are probably the most unpredictable guys on a team. We could get Valverde and he could come here and be completely ineffective. Hell we picked up scrapheap guys and they work out (O’Day and Grilli, albeit a very short first impression with Grilli). Kiko Calero blew chunks in OKC last year, now he’s unhittable in Miami. My point is, I’m nervous about making a trade for a bullpen arm, you never really know what you’re going to get.
I’d rather do a careful trade for a mercenary hitter like Nick Johnson.
by bhudson on Jun 19, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true.
also, a bullpen that isn’t stellar can look stellar if they’re not overworked, like last year…when our starters go 7 innings consistently, it really helps out. and to think, we owe it all to the defense…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there was a fern instead of a person in the office of the Texas Ranger
general manager, would Chris Davis be in The Show or in Oklahoma City?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if nolan is running things
why hasnt nolan sent him down yet?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Nolan only runs the team when there's praise to be doled out, duh.
When it’s criticism needing a place to land, it’s 100% JD’s ship. The SS Donuts.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jun 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that should be the next byline for the blog
Lonestarball — Home of the SS Donuts
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there was a fern
Chris Davis would have never gotten here in the first place
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like future Chris Davis
but present Chris Davis is killing the team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So lets trade present Chris Davis for Nick Johnson
And we’ll just bitch about future Chris Davis in the future, right?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 19, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And sign
Johnson for 3yrs/30 mil.
by Michael Cave on Jun 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Hank, don't forget his 3/30 deal.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3yrs/30 mil for everyone!!!
It is remarkable how much this team has changed. Last year if you were to tell me that everyone would be upset because the Rangers had good pitching, good fielding but poor hitting i would have been ecstatic. I think we are about one year away from the true master plan of this org: Trading our minor lg pitching depth for high ceiling hitters. I just really think that is one of the reasons they are stockpiling so much pitching.
by Michael Cave on Jun 19, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Trading our minor lg pitching depth for high ceiling hitters. I just really think that is one of the reasons they are stockpiling so much pitching.
I think that is the driving force behind JD’s trades and draft picks. High ceiling pitching prospects are like holding gold bars. Exchange rates may fluctuate a bit, but their value seems to always go up over time and there is a very limited supply. This is also why I don’t mind trading some for Nick Johnson if JD et al think that move gives you a chance this year. Obviously any deal would have to be within reason (I can just see Adam’s strawman, “are you really advocating trading Davis + Feliz + Perez for half a season of a guy who’ll be hurt!?!”), but that is the point of having a dozen high ceiling arms in your system.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching...
is the legal tender currency of modern baseball.
by bhudson on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize
that it is fully possible that the next five years of Nick Johnson will be better than the next five years of Chris Davis? I’d give it an even money probability. If salary wasn’t an issue, I’d have to at least consider that deal. (Obviously Johnson has health issues that’d make me wary of paying him, and Davis is cheap).
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize
that Johnson is signed through this season, has 3 somewhat healthy seasons over his 9 year career, and Davis is a 23 year old under team control for 5 more full seasons.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 19, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Let me requote myself
If salary wasn’t an issue, I’d have to at least consider that deal. (Obviously Johnson has
health issues that’d make me wary of paying him, and Davis is cheap).
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am guilty of reading too fast many times
but still, those are 2 pretty big road blocks in saying that the next 5 years of Johnson are a 50-50 shot at being better than the next 5 years Davis and that you would consider that deal.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 19, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stand by the fact that
in 2014 there is a 50/50 shot that over the time frame June 2009 – June 2014 Nick Johnson’s numbers will be as good or better than Chris Davis’s. Both have gigantic question marks though – obviously there is a decent shot that tomorrow morning Nick Johnson tears his ACL pouring a bowl of cereal. And no need to rehash Davis’s ?’s.
Neither is a guy I’d pay more than league minimum for long-term for right now. Fortunately, with Davis, that is all we have to pay.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that the window of opportunity is open in 2009,
that Chris Davis is killing this team right now, that if he ever touches his potential he will never resign with us and on top of everything else we may have a better version of him in the system with Justin Smoak?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
if he ever touches his potential he will never resign with us
maybe you have him confused with teixeira
by sam in so cal on Jun 19, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Boras is CD's agent as well.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boras is CD's agent
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excuse me while i go vomit
that makes it easier to not like him
by sam in so cal on Jun 19, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And when asked wht he chose Boras
He said, “look what he did for Teixeira”. This was right after he signed with the Yankees.
by Anonymous New Guy on Jun 19, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he chose Boras well before Tex signed with the Yankees.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jun 19, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
out of college iirc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
he was just using Tex’s deal as an example of why he chose Boras. He could have replaced Tex any other Boras client but probably figured Ranger fans were more familiar with him.
by Anonymous New Guy on Jun 19, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny
facebook has three pages of scott boras hate groups.
groups you can join:
I Hate Scott Boras (2)
Scott Boras Should Be Shot In The Face!!!!!!!!
Scott Boras is ruining baseball, somebody assassinate him
Nominate Scott Boras for Biggest Douche in the Universe
by sam in so cal on Jun 19, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't imagine
holding onto any of his players into their FA years if I can trade them before that.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I don’t like players on my team having him as an agent, because he makes them stupid expensive.
But I admire men who do their jobs better than everyone else. And Scott Boras is the Albert Pujols of sports agents.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
If I was a player I’d want him as an agent, but the fact that Boras was Teixeira’s agent was one of the main reasons I wanted to see them trade him.
I think JD handled Teix the exact way a GM should handle a Boras client. A couple years before FA, you try to buy out FA years, if you can’t, start looking for trade partners.
There is just no payoff for holding a player of that caliber on your team and hope you re-sign him in Free Agency, unless you think you have a WS caliber team.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
start your own group then
because there aren’t any of those yet
you = charter member
by sam in so cal on Jun 19, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Boras
Will buy the Rangers. Wonder if he’s as effective on the other side of the fence?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jun 19, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see that
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 19, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
negotiations for tickets?
and bargaining for hot dogs to be thrown in. No thanks.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jun 19, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if your son is a top 15 draft pick
and you want him to get his payday
why wouldnt you put your son with him?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
What happened to players wanting to be loyal and sticking with the fans, their teammates and the organization that brought them up
all Boras clients care about is a dollar bill…his guys would go to another team if it meant getting one more penny in the deal
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha are you kidding?
Those days are long gone, if they ever existed.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 19, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remind me when those days were around
oh, pre-curt flood, right?
teams care about their families. the majority of players in the MLB are going to get 1, maybe 2 true “big pay days” and if they play it right it can set them up for the rest o ftheir lives
boras gets exactly what his clients want…if you have a problem, blame the system.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My issue
is more that he wont even consider an extension…straight to FA
also, as i said, he is a bloodsucker just like his clients who cares more for the money than anything else
if Tex had wanted to play in boston, and they offered 180M and he hated NY but they offered 180.000001M, he and his douchy clients would take that offer
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cry foul! Cry foul!
What a miscreant!
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 19, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
other fb groups you can join:
Fire Jon Daniels…because he is the worst GM in history of all sports
Chris Davis is SEXY!
Fuck you Mark Teixeira
One Day, Brandon McCarthy Will Rule the World. Until then, I’m Staying On His Good Side.
Ron Washington = Tyrone Biggums
by sam in so cal on Jun 19, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then
What makes this different from this offseason when you said it would be stupid to trade Salty at his lowest trade value. If you trade now, would you not be trading him at his lowest trade value to date? Why is that not stupid to do now?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a perfect situation yes
but what are the odds that johnson plays full seasons over the next 3 seasons even
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty dang slim odds i'd say
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jun 19, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is 120-130 games of johnson
worth 150 games of davis?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might consider Crush for NJohnson.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a logjam of talent in Texas
and that means somebody between Smoak & Davis is going to be dealt.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet you bitch about trading away Adrian Gonzalez
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone should
To butcher a famous quote: I know Adrian Gonzalez, and Chris Davis is no Adrian Gonzalez.
It’s just silliness to even begin to compare those two. Gonzalez has a good shot of being a hall of famer. Davis has a good shot of being out of baseball in 3 years.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
AG is very good
but I wouldn’t enshrine him in the HOF yet. He would definitely make Hall of Very Good, though.
From baseball-reference.
Most similar batters:
1. Erubiel Durazo (971)
2. Joe Hauser (954)
3. Adam LaRoche (947)
4. Prince Fielder (946)
5. Luke Easter (941)
6. Brian Daubach (938)
7. Nick Johnson (937)
8. Reggie Jefferson (934)
9. Brad Hawpe (933)
10. Kevin Youkilis (931)
And similar through age 26:
1. Justin Morneau (970)
2. Alvin Davis (962)
3. Brad Fullmer (955)
4. Tony Clark (951)
5. Paul Konerko (943)
6. Carlos Lee (942)
7. Sean Casey (942)
8. Carlos Delgado (941)
9. Jermaine Dye (939)
10. Fred McGriff (938)
Of those, I think McGriff has a chance, and Morneau if he keeps up his performance.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 19, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AG won' t make the HOF
unless he plays for the Yankees.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball reference similarity
is probably using raw numbers that have been decimated by playing in one of the worst parks for hitters ever
In any other ballpark, AG would be putting up numbers this year that would make everyone except Albert Pujols blush. He’s a career .299/.365/.561 hitter for a guy just hitting his prime.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.299/.365/.561
on the road
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only 26
When he keeps it up for 20 seasons like Tony Gwynn, then he’s in.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was more going to the point of you don't trade just to break up a logjam
Trading Chris Davis for Nick Johnson would be incredibly stupid. Trading Adrian Gonzalez wasn’t the problem. Putting him as a throw in to SD was the problem.
Davis’ value is at an all time low right now. So you either send him down and trade for someone else or you keep him up but don’t sell him for .40 cents on the dollar
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trading just to break up a logjam is stupid
trading from a position of strength is often intelligent though. I wouldn’t want to make that trade because as I pointed out above, Davis for Johnson doesn’t make any sense because the money doesn’t add up – Davis is cheap long-term and Johnson will leave after this year (when the team could just sign him as a FA if they really wanted to).
You are right that Davis’s value is low right now. But sometimes when stock is trading .40 cents on the dollar it means it is heading to zero.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm just a blind, head-in-the-sand homer...
…but I think the chances of Davis being out of baseball in 3 years are remote.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances that Crush ever
becomes a hitter with an OBP of .330 that doesn’t strike out 175 times a year?
Just as remote as the chances that he will be out of baseball in 3 years?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say it is likely
but don’t you have to admit that he doesn’t come out of this? And do you really think that a guy hitting .201/.257/.425 can keep a ML gig?
(it is a bit of an exaggeration, if nothing else, he goes back to the minors to actually spend a few years like most players do and comes back Nellie Cruz style)
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, typo
don’t you have to admit there is a chance that he doesn’t come out of this
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You cannot live with a 1B or a # 7 hitter in the AL
who has a .260ish OBP and hope to win a division.
Chris Davis is drowning in front of our eyes.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
My position on this has been consistent.
He’s not going to stick if he hits like he has so far this year.
Given his track record prior to this year, I don’t think it is likely that this is what he is — I think he’ll snap out of it.
If he doesn’t, he’s not a major leaguer.
If he strikes out in 40% of his ABs, like he has this year, he’s not a major leaguer.
The question is, is this what he is, and everything prior to the past 2 1/2 months is an aberration, or is this the aberration?
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell wouldn't Crush stick?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Thad
most likely, he is what he will be after 203 more PAs :)
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
that is a shitty player
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm certainly hoping this year is the aberration
I guess our only difference is that you’re 90% sure that this season is the aberration, and that he’ll break out of it, whether by spending time in the minors or just if enough time passes.
Whereas I’m more worried that this is the real Chris Davis and that somehow the league has adjusted to him, something leagues never had the opportunity of doing before since he moved up so quickly. I think that if that is the case, his ability to uncork on one every once in a while won’t be sufficient reason to keep him around.
But believe me, I am really hoping that a year from now I’m the one that feels dumb for being all grumpy and curmudgeony about Davis.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine that he is this bad.
but I also can’t imagine he is gonna be some 300/400/600 stud either.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I think though, that the chances of him being a relatively pedestrian .260/.330/.500 1B are pretty high.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would work.
Coming up as a 3B, I think expectations were inflated if people expected him to hit like a true 1B. I’d rather the league average offense with the GG defense, myself.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 19, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at 1B
you need a bat there
i know people dont like offense around here, but as you are seeing with our lineup this year, you have to have big bats in the lineup and 1b is basically always a position with a big bat…here are the good teams in baseball and their 1b
Yanks-Teix
Boston-Youk
Detroit-Cabrera
Stl-Pujols
Phils-Howard
Minnesota-Morneau
Dodgers-Loney
TB-Pena
Mil-Fielder
it is pretty much mandatory that you must have a good hitting 1b in baseball
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
just don’t reply to my posts anymore.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 19, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no chance Davis is out of baseball in 3 years
unless he has a career ending injury.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 19, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bitch about trading away AG
because we had to watch The Ben Broussard & Chris Shelton Variety Show in 2008.
Upon further review, wouldn’t it have been better to keep AG & CY and then trade Tex ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep AG & CY and then trade Tex ?
Absolutely.
Actually, it’d have been better for Buck Schowalter to have the managerial courage to tell Teixeira to go to left field and shut up
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been even better
To just play A-Gon at DH and not stick with guys like Nevin or Stairs there.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 19, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may have been better for 2006 and 2007
But had we not made those moves who knows where we’d be right now. Hicks may not have signed off on total rebuild when he did. As bad as those moves were (and I don’t consider trading Chris Young away that bad) they have led us to where we are today. A team that wasn’t expected to compete this year that is 10 games over .500 leading its division with a team full of young controlable players and a plethora of young talent on the horizon in the minors.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a logjam at first base, so your solution is to trade one of them for ...
a first baseman. Does the ridiculousness of that proposition really need to be pointed out? And before you counter with “Johnson can DH”, so could Davis or Smoak.
by Athos on Jun 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson would play 1B this
year and DH when Smoak arrived.
Nick Johnson gives this team what it needs now (and for the next 3-4 years if healthy) to win and what it needs in the immeditate future.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you talk about Johnson "if healthy"?
He’s never been healthy.
You bitch about Brandon McCarthy’s body rejecting the notion that he can be a major league starting pitcher.
Nick Johnson’s been rejecting the idea that he can be a major league starting first baseman for a decade now.
Geez.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 19, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Myopia...Catch The Fever!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another case of people staring at the numbers
And not considering the physiology. Nick Johnson playing 1B on a humaround?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jun 19, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha -- good visual.
Think Bowden?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 19, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was correct about Brandon McCarthy's body
rejecting the notion that he can ever be a major league starter – said so before the 2008 season to much rancor from LSB (and in particularly YOU) but I was ultimately proven correct.
Per NJohnson, it’s a good point but DHing would probably work with his body.
If he’s signed thru 2010, I hold off on the 3 year/$ 30 million.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
danks is another short pitcher btw finnerty lol
6"1’’
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we talk about hamilton being healthy
it makes for more interesting conversation
by sam in so cal on Jun 19, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you forgotten that other trade we made with Washington ...
for the high OBP guy who had far less history of injury than Johnson? If they are actually stupid enough to make the deal you are advocating, I hope you’ll have the decency and be sufficiently intellectually honest to apologize to JD and then shut the hell up every day that Nick Johnson is on the DL while he’s in Texas.
by Athos on Jun 19, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before that happens
I wanna hear Donuts publicly admit he screwed the pooch by trading John Danks for the garbage in somebody else’s front yard.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean the kid that also had less of a history of injury ...
than the guy you want to spend prospects on?
If you’re right and Danks for BMac was really that stupid at its inception, then your quest to obtain Nick Johnson is sub-moronic.
by Athos on Jun 19, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ferns are smarter than donuts?
Isn’t Nolan in charge?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With very few exceptions (according to AJM, Andruw Jones was favored by Nolan)
I firmly believe that Donuts has 100% control in determining which players & pitchers are on the roster…basically, he puts the team together. He gets blame for Kris Benson and credit for Darren O’Day.
Donuts also gets blame for Crush still being here.
Tiny E? Not sure. Galloway says NR wanted it done last year and this week Donuts claimed it to be an “organizational decision.”
When it comes down to talent acquisitiion via trades and free agency, Donuts has to run all those by Nolan.
When it comes to getting The Face to accept that he’s moving to 3B – Nolan.
When it comes to telling Millwood to get his fat ass in shape – Nolan.
When it comes to completely revamping and institiuting a pitching philosophy that throughout the organization was previously fucked up – Nolan
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
if anybody specifically disagrees with me, I’d love to know where I’m off in my guess of the new, much more efficient dynamics taking place in the Ranger FO.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Operative word in there is "guess"
Until we bug their offices, we’ll never know because these types of dynamics are never made public.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 19, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NorCal RF
There’s conversations in here that I’m only giving credit to Nolan (when things go right) and blame to Donuts (when things go wrong) and that’s simply not true.
Donuts put together a lot of elements and the result is a team that’s in first place.
That said, there is nooooooo way this team would be where it was until they pulled their collective heads out of their ass and done a 180 without the screeching halt to all the dumbassery that Donuts was responsible for from October 2005 to that glorious February 6, 2008.
Nolan Ryan, alone, is responsible for the screeching halt of dumbassery that was a constant under Donuts.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not being a fly on the wall...
…I cant say for sure, but I would have to think its possible that the arrival of Nolan DID turn things around, but not because he took control of Daniels, but because he enabled Daniels to do what he (Daniels) wanted to do without Hicks’ interference. I think Nolan’s opinion carries more weight with Hicks, so when Nolan took JD’s side, JD was finally able to stop trying to “win now” for Hicks, and start rebuilding. RangerMad’s comment below about pitcher conditioning supports this.
Of course, this is all conjecture on my part. But its just as valid as your interpretation, which is also conjecture.
Correlation does not imply cause and effect.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 19, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't know what's going on
but I just can’t fathom Nolan perusing waiver lines looking to beef up the bully or for another hitter who can actually get on base.
Now when it comes to a singular evaluation of a really good pitcher or one that is young, I’d say Nolan’s say is final and that he knows much more about big league pitching than Donuts ever will.
Donuts gets credit / blame for putting together this roster and the hiring (plus extension for 2009) of the manager.
Nolan gets full credit for showing JD how his plan can actually work (this thing was a mess before Nolan arrived) and see success at the big league level.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, you're an idiot.
EVERY GM “peruses” the waiver lines looking to finish out the roster.
Do you really think Ryan scouts every pitcher they draft, sign? Really? He would have time for nothing else if that were true.
Ryan has publicly supported Washington numerous times and it is beyond ridiculous for you to suggest that Daniels has to ask permission to do everything besides go to the bathroom but somehow is solely to blame/credit for Wash’s extension. As if extending the manager would not be a discussion participated in by the entire front office and most certainly discussed with Ryan, if not with Hicks.
Nolan has not changed Daniels’ plan at all, except maybe to endorse and accelerate it.
You spin and double standards should be giving you whiplash.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jun 19, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeezus H, this again?
“Ron has been very consistent as a manager,” Ryan said. “The players respect him. They respond to him. Those are very important qualities you look for in your manager and the response you want for your team. Ron is a baseball man and has been in the game and knows the game inside out. When you look at a manager you look at how he handles his ballclub and how they respond to him.”
“Over the past year, you never heard Ron complain about what he didn’t have,” Ryan said. “He took what he had and made the most of it. He whole-heartedly embraced our offseason plan and the direction we’re going and the team has done the same. It starts at the top.”
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so NR wanting to call elvis andrus up
with 0 ABs at the AA level or above would have been a good decision 2 years ago?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nitpickimg
this
I firmly believe that Donuts has 100% control in determining which players & pitchers are on the roster…basically, he puts the team together. He gets blame for Kris Benson and credit for Darren O’Day.
and this
When it comes down to talent acquisitiion via trades and free agency, Donuts has to run all those by Nolan.
contradict each other
Also, I think it was during one of the spring training telecasts that JD said he and Thad had discussed changing the pitchers conditioning program before Nolan arrived. He wanted to institute long toss and other things but was met with some internal resistance.
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by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ranger Mad
Benson was a NRI and didn’t cost the team big money or a prospect – That responsibility goes to the Donut Shop.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't cost the team anything
and was, therefore a good risk, just like Jennings, O’Day, etc.
I hope the Rangers’ front office is paying attention. They’ll need to consult you to clarify everyone’s job description.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jun 19, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See what you've done?
Now everyone’s doing the Nolan Ryan meme. Hope your happy with your silly statement that Nolan Ryan is the ultimate decider of everything. You brought this on yourself.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 19, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you honestly think Josey will put that together?
And if so, would he ever admit that he is caught in his own BS? There’s no way.
by FuturePants on Jun 19, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitch & Mo on the Ticket to remember the 10 year Cup anniversary.
Woah, what a flashback.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Recap?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 19, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothin much.
They just recounted their respective memories of going through that. It was nice to hear Hitch again, I’ve always loved that guy.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great coach.
Didn’t we play “Hitch’s way”, for years after he left?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 19, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitch
may have been the combo platter of Washington/Showalter.
Team played very hard for him and hated his guts yet were also very good.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find Eddie's replacement...
that’s my vote. I feel like we work AROUND Eddie’s lack of ability too much by using some pitchers too much. We have 97 games to go, we can’t tax the good arms because one or two can’t get the job done.
by 3Bagger on Jun 19, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eddie
Id say give him until the end of the month and if he hasn’t turned it around you let him go. Remember people he had a very nice stretch of about a month where he didn’t give up a run. His last few outtings have been bad but if this club is in a pennant race I don’t want AJ Murray out there being asked to get critical outs. Id rather hold onto Eddie until I can trade for a veteran lefty.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Mahay anyone?
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by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind seeing him back in Arlington
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 19, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although, looking at his stats he has had some walk problems this year
And has a 5.33 FIP… but also a BABIP over .400, so he’s likely due for some positive regression.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 19, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great call
can’t we pry some more Royals away?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he loses another game for us outright
he’s gone
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pirate!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Article on Andruw by EG,
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be upset
if Cruz didnt get in. I really think he deserves it. He has hit well this yr and fielded his position well.
by Michael Cave on Jun 19, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you go by WAR
Both he and Kinsler are at 2.8, which is tied for 6th best in the AL. So basically they’ve both overall been among the top 10 most valuable AL players so far this year.
It’ll be a crying shame if Cruz doesn’t get in.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 19, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is going to be silly
When Josh Hamilton is starting the ASG and Cruz is watching at home.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they'd allow Josh to give his spot to Cruz
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Face will get in and Cruz won't.
Cause baseball is stupid.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jun 19, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Face deserves it a lot more than Josh does
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of on the field merit, yes.
But I think an argument could made that since Josh is an actual “Star” he deserves it more than anyone on are team.
I wouldn’t make that argument cause I’d like to the games roster chosen based on their on the field production, but seeing as how the All-Star game is essentially a popularity contest, one could argue that the most popular player on our team by far deserves to go.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jun 19, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then both Face and Josh deserve it
since they are the two most well known around the league Rangers. Remember, the Face is the most underrated player in the game, after all.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG!!!
Norm is going to do a Rangers segment??? WTF, is the world gonna end? Are there no sherpa’s to interview or no rumors of Jessica being preggo?
Ohhhh, yes. Smack, smack, smack.
It might be time for him to ride off into the sunset…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's probably going to be a negative one
“The Rangers are losing their lead…the season is over”
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sherpa interview would have been interesting
if I could have understood him
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by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunting
RW says the Rangers are bad at bunting. He also says they try to teach it to all the minor league hitters. Is he implying that they don’t work on it at the Major League level? Is it the responsibility of the hitting coach to have the players work on the bunt? If so, is this yet another indication of a bit of a power struggle between RW and Jaramillo with regard to hitting approach? RW has already made it pretty clear that he wants the hitters to take a more patient approach at the plate and yet they continue to go up there hacking which seems to be Rudy’s M.O.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudys MO
Rudys M.O. is not to hack away. He teaches hitters to be aggressive but I would bet just about everything i have that he doesn’t advocate swinging at bad pitches. No hitting coach does. He can’t control whether or not a hitter can’t recognize a ball from a strike.
As for bunting I think there are so many other problems to fix right now that working on bunting is at the bottom of the list of priorities.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad would if he were a hitting coach
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 19, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad has no strike zone
I think he can turn a pitch-out into a hit. Or, at least he used to able to.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always advocated throwing strikes to vlad
i think he had more hits off of shitty pitches…heh
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 19, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm...
the key word in there was “heh”…is sarcasm to big a word for you at this point?
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about a hitting coach's ability to teach the strike zone.
That can definitely be accomplished. The problem with their approach is not that they always swing to early, it’s that they swing at too many bad pitches. Davis in particular is prone to strike out on the breaking ball at his feet. Somebody needs to stick him in a batting cage and throw that pitch at him until he can recognize it and learn to leave it alone … even if it takes a thousand reps. Hitters can learn to lay off of bad pitches, and coaches can definitely teach that skill, but it does not seem like it has ever been a priority for Rudy.
by Athos on Jun 19, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no power struggle between
RW and Rudy. Ron lost that when he had the little rift with Teixeira about 2 years ago. Glad to see that I am not the only one around here critical of Rudy.
Question for our minor league followers. We have heard that “pitch to contact” is the theme for the pitchers throughout the minors. What about the hitters? Is there a common hitting philosophy from Arlington down to Surprise?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
going by what some of our guys are doing in the minors this year Id say they are following the major league team to a T
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: working on the bunt
Agreed.
Re: hacking away. I’m sure Rudy teaches being agressive. It just looks like our players interpret that as “hack away”, or at least that’s what its been looking like recently.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 19, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What we need is
Bob Sturm to go on a rant about how Rudy and his teachings should be called in to question. Then maybe the Ranger’s will hang 30 on on SF tonight.
by Anonymous New Guy on Jun 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I see an ugly, ugly weekend in SFO
Seriously, line-ups featuring the Black Hole with a pitcher in the 9 hole not to mention a slumping Tiny E?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
our DHs have been Andruw Jones and Hank. With what they’ve offered lately, I’ll take my chances with a pitcher.
by bhudson on Jun 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was just typing the same thing…
by Anonymous New Guy on Jun 19, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if our SPs could bat...
wouldn’t the DH be hitting for Davis already (LOL)
by sam in so cal on Jun 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you on the Ticket right now?
Some dude just asked that question, lol.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly not listening...
i’m very troubled that anyone’s mind works like mine though
by sam in so cal on Jun 19, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar is starting on Sat
and expect CD to sit a game or two on this roadtrip. Probably after he goes 2-3 and Ron thinks he has been working too hard in the Arizona heat. Also, Blalock isn’t much of an improvement over CD.
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by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Omar goes 0-fer I expect him to start on Sunday also
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully
their hitting is even crappier than ours
by Horns130 on Jun 19, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson vs Adam LaRoche
I’d rather have LaRoche.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 19, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Willingham.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jun 19, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this idea as well
but then you have Blalock as the everyday 1b, I guess? Seems simpler to replace the weak link with a fix at that same position, rather than shift the platoon DH to starting 1b and obtain a new, everyday DH.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 19, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock can play first as well as either of those two guys.
And it’s very likely Willingham could, too.
Laroche is okay defensively, but not good. Johnson is bad at 1b and you’d want him DH’ing no matter what to save him from himself… no way this guy lasts a whole season playing the field everyday. If ever there was a player made for the DH spot, it was Nick Johnson.
Of course CD is way better than all of them defensively, but I suppose you’re done with him and want him out of here?
With Willingham I like the fact that he’s a righty who can play LF and 1b to go with our platoon 1b/LF/dh lefties in Hankles and Murphy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jun 19, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah
Of course CD is way better than all of them defensively, but I suppose you’re done with him and want him out of here?
His OPS month to month is dropping. I would say that there is no reason to expect an imminent turnaround. If you are going to upgrade this offense, getting Davis out of the lineup is the most obvious place to do it.
Hopefully, like Cruz, he can figure out what ails him in the minors.
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by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CD
I’m not done with him, like totally, forever done with him. I am ready, however, to send his hacking ass to OKC.
If we add a bat via trade, I was just assuming that he replaces CD in the lineup.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 19, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm about ready to send him to AAA to work on his shit, too.
He needs to do something to figure this thing out, and if it isn’t happening here then maybe AAA is the remedy. I love the kid, but those breaking balls at his feet are swinging strikes every single time it seems like. Jeez that’s tough to watch.
I think Blalock is perfectly capable of taking over at 1b against righties, and so if we had someone like Willingham who could DH against righties and play 1b against lefties that’d seem to be a pretty good addition, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jun 19, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
second paragraph
I’d be on board with that.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 19, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree also
Man I do start wincing when CD has two strikes; peeking through eyes as if it was a horror show. He actually starts swinging at the pitch before he could possibly recognize it. His swing is so long that he’ll have to shorten it and sacrifice some power to be an MLB hitter.
by texasdoc on Jun 19, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last night
I had the good fortune of some really nice seats and watching him live was way uglier than what I had seen on TV.
His approach is starting to remind me of Whifferson when he was here – like they are deciding before the pitch if they are going to swing or not. He’d leave the bat on his shoulder for pitches right over the plate and rip away at balls in the RH batters box. Also appeared to be finishing his swing as the catcher was lobbing the ball back to the mound. Absolutely Atrocious.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So disappointing
to hear that it could look worse in person. I hope he rebounds. I had high hopes for him this year. Remember the Cain for Davis whispers in the offseason? Change of stock since then on both.
by texasdoc on Jun 19, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Julio Borbon
hot as hell right now … maybe it’s just me but I’d love to see him starting every day in CF until Josh gets back
by texasraider on Jun 19, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Except
he would just collect dust on the bench like boggs.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I'd rather see Boggs collect dust than Borbon
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It drives me crazy
when Boggs collects dust versus a lefty.
"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan
by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where can you find minor league splits?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add a dot and a com to the phrase.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And here's his MLE:
0.191 0.266 0.308 0.574
Yep, that guy needs ABs!!!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
953 OPS versus lefties in his
minor league career, and Murphy can’t hit lefties to save his life.
Its a no brainer.
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by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I opined the other day;
maybe something is wrong with him physically, or maybe the coaches really don’t like what they are seeing from him.
I really don’t understand why he hasn’t gotten more PT, but you have to think there is a reason behind it.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs has a .953 OPS vs. LHP in his minor league career
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 19, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs also hammered a double off the wall in that first
game of the homestand v. Toronto (think the club got two hits that night) and sat for the next 8 nights.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just you
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Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm worried...
Josh is going to try and come back too soon and get hurt again.
I’d rather him just take the time off and come back after the ASB rather than trying to rush things which it seems to me like he’s trying to do.
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by slc ranger on Jun 19, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That is one reason why I want JD to do something to “fix” the offense now instead of waiting for Josh to come to the rescue. It also tells the team (and RW) that the status quo is not working. Do something now while they are still if first place and not after they are 5 games behind the Angels.
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Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I caught the last minute of a Norm rant on the radio when I went to lunch. He was basically saying that the Rangers have an opportunity to win something this year and they need to go for it. He said that the players expect the FO to do something in that regards.
The offense is struggling and the players are saying all the right things to the press. But, I am sure they realize where the problems are and they expect the FO to do something about it.
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by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense has been pretty bad from top to bottom recently
(with a couple of exceptions). If the players are hoping the FO makes a move, they’d better hope its not themselves that gets benched/sent down/traded. Very few players are deserving of the playing time they’ve been receiving.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 19, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to wonder if Smoak didn't get hurt....
would he be starting for us right now?
Something has to be done with Davis.
by death of the cool on Jun 19, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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