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An idle thought on Rangers finances

Seeing the Heyman note below about the Rangers giving up more in prospects than they would normally so that a team they trade with will pick up all of the salary of a player they might trade for, and the news that John Lombardo has been let go (among the various layoffs the Rangers have implemented), leads me to wonder...

Is John Hart being laid off as well?  Or are pennies being pinched and people who contribute to the organization's success being chopped so that Hart can continue to get $500,000 per year as a "consultant"?

Also, kudos to Tom Hicks for using the team's "financial flexibility" after the 2004 season to extend both Hart and Showlater...Showalter was extended through 2009 that offseason, and is getting somewhere close to $2 million in 2009 from the Rangers. 

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Hart

Should have been cut long ago, but the best mind in baseball is too valuable to let another team have.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jun 19, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Hasn't Hart interviewed for jobs

while here? I thought I remember articles where he threw his hat into the ring.

"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan

by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

That’s why he got the consulting gig…Hicks is paying Hart so that Hart won’t flee the Rangers and deprive them of the best mind in baseball.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 19, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You gotta wonder

if Hart is handing out Blumpkins to Tommy after golf outings or something.

"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan

by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Hart on a yearly contract?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I could have sworn I read where Jamey

was furiously defending Tom Hicks, maybe around the time when there was talk that our small market payroll was going to drop an additional $ 20 million, no?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Fukumori

Also collecting $1.5 MM from the Rangers in 2009, IIRC.

Who knows how much else was spent in the acquisition process.

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by inactive lsb user on Jun 19, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our payroll is gonna drop because of our roster composition

It doesn’t matter who the owner is. If George Steinbrenner was the owner of the Rangers next year our payroll would still be low

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that's not the snide point...

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

this doesn't seem to bode well

for our draft picks, LA signings, and potential in season acquisitions.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Jun 19, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Draft Picks

I would guess that JD had an overall budget going into the draft and has authority to spend up to that limit. Hopefully JD drafted with that in mind and can get the top 2 and a bunch of slot guys signed.

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Jun 19, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hart and Buck..

have contracts, so you still have to pay him if you cut them loose. All the folks that got let go (most likely) were at will, and therefore no further cost incurred.

by mattrpav on Jun 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Is ARod still on the books?

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by inactive lsb user on Jun 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

He exercised his out clause to get more money out of the Yankees

by Mark from OC on Jun 19, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is also what

Scott Lucas thinks:

Alex Rodriguez voided his 2001-2010 contract after 2007, but Texas still owes $3 million annually for 2008-2010.

by Snark on Jun 19, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

My understanding is...

…the Rangers have to pay him deferred money for another decade or so from his original deal, but they aren’t actually on the hook for any of the money they would have paid the Yanks for the 08-10 years.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 19, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are they guarnateed employment contracts?

Many employment contracts have out clauses, such as if the company is sold, the contract is only valid for an x amount of time after the sale.

by Mark from OC on Jun 19, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Hicks have lots of family members

sucking on the Ranger financial tits as well?

I betcha they’re getting paid a little more than the minimum.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

Of all the problems of Hicks and his cashflow situation, the one you have a problem with is that he employs his sons for above minimum wage?

You’re a ruh-tard.

by FuturePants on Jun 19, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

I imagine that Hicks is paying just as much for spare family members as he is for Buck & Hart.

Looking forward to the next time you come back here and tell the world once again about another conversation with a Ranger drinking at a watering hole who thinks he can say something to a fan without it appearing on a baseball message board.

You’re the Gladys Cravitz of the LSB!!

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hart acquired Fx2 and AGonzo in steals.

I still blame the majority of that tenure on Hicks’ love affair w/ A-rod, which led to the acquisitions of the washed up vets.

Hart definitely has his warts, but he’s become an all too easy whipping post. He didn’t help his cause by being AWOL when it came to the public.

"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."

by scoop16 on Jun 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Some Hart Acquisitions

CHP $65 Million
Juan Gonzalez $24 million
Jay Powell $9 million
Todd Van Poppel $4.5 M

Thats about 40% of the Rangers debt, right there.

"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan

by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, it's ugly.

Those are the Hicks/A-rod guys I’m thinking about. I can just imagine the dinners at the mansion.

I don’t wanna completely absolve Hart, he has responsibility to rein in that crap. I’m not sure anything was gonna stop that crap though. Hart’s track record at Cleveland belies what happened. I also think there’s a fair amount of 20/20 hindsight w/ Park. The whole mantra of “When are the Rangers gonna spend some money and get some pitching in here?” had people happy that we signed the top guy on the market at the time.

"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."

by scoop16 on Jun 19, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

if you look at Hart’s track record during the second half of his tenure in Cleveland, it looks like his Ranger Tenure. Bad trades, little farm development, bad free agents.

"Go post a dinosaur in a gameday thread."-Finnerty.Fan

by DJCahill on Jun 19, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tod Van Poppel

Everyone on baseball laughed at the Rangers when they picked him up for $4.5 million. He had a decent ERA the year before, but only pitched when games were out of reach.

CHP is the devil.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 19, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hart also acquired CYoung

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Hicks = Moron

That Showalter deal was the worst. Showalter is the worst. You can criticize Wash on a few fronts, but is crystal clear that players like him. Showalter is, was a DICK.

by 3Bagger on Jun 19, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Good businessman, sh!t baseball owner. I suppose, however, the measure of a good businessman is over the duration, and as of now he’s not looking too good.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 19, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

how you finish something in business is very important. See: Bernie Madoff.

by 3Bagger on Jun 20, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do people believe article's like Heymans?

Hasn’t everyone figured out that when the national baseball media is talking about the Rangers that it is almost always just pure speculation? JD and Nolan play things VERY close to their chest, very little gossip comes out of Arlington. So these guys just make things up about the Rangers

“Hmm… I need a story. What is there. Oh, Tom Hicks is in serious debt trouble! Maybe he’ll sell his prospects to pay it off! That’s an idea! – I’ll cite ‘people familiar with the situation’ and all will be taken care of” (LSB community panics)

kind of like…

“Hmm… I need a big piece of draft buzz. Let’s see. Tom Hicks is in serious debt trouble! Maybe the Rangers will draft way out of position so they can sign guys below slot! Who is out there… oh, they’ll pick Raymond Fuentes! People familiar with the situation tell me that” (LSB community panics)

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Heyman

I suspect there’s a little more smoke there than fire too.

I lurk over at a Liverpool message board (Red and White Kop) and some of the “insider” sources over there say that the stories of the team’s financial woes are more than a little overstated, particularly when it comes to the amount of money available this summer for player acquisitions.

Granted, the Rangers and LFC are separate entities, so what affects one may not necessarily affect the other.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Jun 19, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

seperate entities

perhaps, but the rangers fate sure does seem to be attached to that team and the loan payment.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jun 19, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That stood out to me.

“People familiar with name your fucking source, Heyman”

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by inactive lsb user on Jun 19, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

There have been a number of reports

it seems like since ST saying that the Rangers would not add payroll. It has been said a number of times that they would like to trade Blolock so that they would have payroll flexibility at the trade deadline.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a huge difference

between not adding payroll, which probably applies to most teams in the league in this climate, and giving another team a top prospect just so they’ll take salary off your hands.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 19, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are not clear

Whose salary are you talking about?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've no way to prove this

But have worked and traveled throughout the U.S. and a fair piece of the rest of the world. There is a trend in the mindset of many “traditional” metropolitan centers – NY, Chicago, LA, others – that is shared among standards of civility, economic judgment, view of the rule of law, cultural value of different denominations of entertainment, and the whole arena on non-tangible valuation – including sports (wherein you spend for experience and come away with nothing of tangible value from the transaction).

The whole arena has degraded to trying to be the leader in getting paid for nothing in return. Bundles of futures options, bonds made of pure junk, unpayable/uncollectible mortgages, pop now and forgotten in four months entertainment, all consist of getting paid without producing anything. Perhaps unconsiously, sports communicators in those locales and those that pretend to be ‘national’ keep hoisting their petards into the millieu, seeking recognition as "pop’ or ‘must see or read’. Think the dollar is on a death spiral to devaluation? The whole industry of pop adoration and pop following culture will wilt at about the same pace. It doesn’t grow wheat, make bread, grow vegetables, tender milk cows, (all figurative examples of living via your own efforts at subsistence). IOW guys like Heyman always push a step ahead of what they think they see coming (and sometimes have a gain agenda for doing so). No matter the discipline, the trade, the profession, the industry,

I couldn’t care less what Jon Heyman thinkgs, much less writes. OTOH from out in flyover country you get Joe Posnanski, Adam Morris, Jamey Newberg – all worth your time and a chunk of your gray matter. Those three are not alone, but are venued to goodness in life, including willingness to use baseball as a media for useful thinking.

/sermon – apologies for its’ length

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Jun 19, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could someone translate this for me

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 19, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure

Morris, Newburg, Posnanski – Good
Heyman – inflated hyperbole to make a splashy headline – AKA pure crap

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Jun 19, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

“I couldn’t care less what Jon Heyman thinks or writes”.

At least that corrects the typo.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Jun 19, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said, hit the nail on the hEaD.
IOW guys like Heyman always push a step ahead of what they think they see coming (and sometimes have a gain agenda for doing so). No matter the discipline, the trade, the profession, the industry,

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by inactive lsb user on Jun 19, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i doubt

JD and Ryan would “overtrade” their guys for a run this season. that is not their plan.
i still say 2010 thru forever is the plan. they will stick to it. they may go and get some guys this year, but they won’t overpay to do it.

this is a pure blowhard article.

by mo on Jun 19, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

That's what I'm hoping

I can see Daniels and Co. standing pat rather than overpay in prospects. And I think they’re willing to take the heat for it from fans and media.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 19, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is JD willing to stand pat and

take the heat from the players?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 19, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Texas_Dawg or whatever his name is

should be showing up sometime soon to set us straight on this matter. He’s Tommy’s good buddy you know….

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 19, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Man, what's up with the bully badmitton?

This team is in first place, kick back and enjoy it, for soever long as it lasts.

It’s almost like we are a bunch of dysfunctional teens here, just looking to start shit for whatever reason.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a bad moon risin, Rotney

That’s why.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 19, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, that's such a cute intentional typo.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 19, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

But we have the angriest fans of a first place team

Have to live up to that you know!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jun 19, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 19, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

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