Sunday morning Rangers things
Trying to avoid being swept by the Giants today. And continuing to wait for the offense to wake up.
Everyone other than Ian Kinsler went 1 for 31 last night. It is getting ridiculous.
And logically, rationally, you know that this can't continue, that even if this isn't a great offense, it is better than what it has shown the past month or so.
But still...in times like this, it is hard to keep that in mind.
Anthony Andro writes that Derek Holland was great and the bats weren't.
Brett Perryman talks about last night's performances by Holland and Blake Beavan, key parts of the Rangers build-from-within philosophy.
Nolan Ryan is worried about the offense.
There's an article in the DMN about the Rangers improvement this year leading to better crowds and, conceivably, a better price for Tom Hicks should he sell.
And there's a piece on the Minneapolis Star-Tribune focusing on the Rangers' resurgence this year.
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Ultimately I think the offense will be fine... law of averages and all that.
They can’t suck nearly this badly for the long haul, although I think it’s time to save Chris Davis from his own misery and send him down. Ultimately, Holland and Harrison giving us quality starts much more often than not will be the key in the long run. Derek did that last night and hopefully Matty Ice will later on this week.
Let’s finally break the San Fran curse today. Go Millwood, go Rangers.
Way to not lurk and instead shit all over yourself during your first fanshot.
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by SarasotaRanger on Jun 21, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe there is a SFO curse
Yet I wonder. Not superstitious, much, but has it popped into anyone’s mind that both Detroit and SFO wear black and orange? Yeah, the colors of Hallowe’en. Kryptonite to the Rangers. Hitters go blind at the sight of it. Pitchers have unexplainable things happen. Their crowds cheer our players at times. The weather cools and the humidity rises when they are engaged. The moon and stars don’t shine, they just sorta hang there. Guests in the TV booth are about funny things that happened to them in the past. Birds come onto the field in late innings. Opposing home runs nick the wall or slip into the first row of seats. Odd plays happen at the plate. Umpires lose the bottom of the strike zone. It’s black and oraange, I tell ya ! Heh – coincidence?
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by Ed Coffin on Jun 21, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you are on to something.
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by blalock84 on Jun 21, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense
And logically, rationally, you know that this can’t continue, that even if this isn’t a great offense, it is better than what it has shown the past month or so.
I think too many people either don’t understand or just forget that part. Other than Young, Kinsler, and Hamilton the hitters on this team have been pretty mediocre in their careers or are still pretty young. And even Hamilton really only has one solid year of production to look back on. I just don’t see why fans and/or media expect Davis, Salty, Byrd, Murphy, Jones, Teagarden, Andrus, Vizquel, and Cruz to be anything but average.
Of course, Rudy will fix it all so none of us should worry anyway.
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by DaheelzCM on Jun 21, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy
And the flip side of that here lately is that Rudy should be fired for not turning all of these guys into Barry Bonds c. 2002. That list of names does not contain one guy that you should objectively look at and think “oh yeah, big-time on base guy”. Rudy is not the problem and he’s not going to be the solution, either. He’s a very good hitting coach, but that’s all he is. Just like Maddux is a good pitching coach, but without the vastly improved defense would we be talking so highly of him here?
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by t ball on Jun 21, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is that several of those guys
have track records that suggest something like “league average on base guys” and they are currently making out in excess of 70% of the time.
I don’t expect Rudy to turn anyone into Bonds c. 2002, but when 2/3 of the lineup has OBPs ~50 points below what could reasonably be expected, then I think you have to start asking questions.
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by tricer on Jun 21, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree here
Some people underrate the talent that the Rangers roll out there. Saltalamacchia, who used to work counts. Cruz, who is clearly extremely talented. Murphy used to work counts. Byrd, to a point. Look at what’s happened to Kinsler.
I’m confident Jaramillo knows hitting mechanics, but there needs to be somebody to tell them to settle the fuck down, how to get better pitches to hit, and all that. By all accounts they like Jaramillo and respect him, so it should be him telling them these things. And if he won’t do it, maybe Ryan can tell them how easy they’d be for him to to get out, and why. Somebody. Anybody.
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's happened to Kinsler?
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by Snark on Jun 21, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's lost 30 point of OBP and a shit ton of BA.
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From last year, sure.
Interesting, though, that both those stats are in line with what he posted in 2006 and 2007.
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by Snark on Jun 21, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe 2008 was his career year
and we are seeing the real Ian Kinsler.
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by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don' think so.
I think he has several years like last year in him.
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BAbip so far this season is lower than in 2006-2008,
so that’s encouraging. (Also, the fall in OBP and BA aren’t exactly independent.)
He has the talent to do what he did last year, I think, and I’m still optimistic about this season. He’s going to have to keep making adjustments and refining his game, though.
I thought the implication was that Jaramillo had something to do with something that’s happened to Kinsler. Could be I just read too much into it.
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by Snark on Jun 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the whole team has a disease
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have they been playing drinking games with Michael Main?
Or snogging his girlfriend?
Either could explain it.
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by Snark on Jun 21, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of that is because he is not hitting line drives
LD% is down about 6% from last season, and all of that is going into popups and fly balls. If he keeps hitting less than 15% line drives, his BABIP won’t improve much
by Telegraph on Jun 21, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be the curse
of some Ranger hitters. Start hitting HRs, and then change your swing to a flyball swing.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Actually, closer to 10 percent down from last season, and 5 percent from 2006 and 2007, according to FanGraphs.
Interestingly, his IFFB%, while up 3 percent from last year, is down from 2006 and 2007, and of course his HR/FB is way up this season ~ 14.4%. Makes me want to go watch video of his swing over the last four years.
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by Snark on Jun 21, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if they were hitting their averages
they still wouldn’t be a top offense, but they’d be winning some games.
Right now, only 3 players have OBPs over 300 (Young Andrus, and Murphy) for June, and 300 OBP sucks pretty major ass.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton was just as great in Cinncy as he was in Texas last season
He spent a lot of time on the DL as a Red, but he was still hitting great when playing.
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by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting tired of hearing
Tom have to say this pitcher has great stuff tonight. You can’t expect the pitching to be this good the whole season. The problem with this team’s hitting is the all or nothing aspect. It’s great when you can hit home runs every night, but when you slump, you can’t manufacture runs at all. How many times do the Rangers fail with a man on 3rd and 1 out? Make some effing contact!!! Go Rangers.
by Slick-ish24 on Jun 21, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
14 straight solo home runs
That’s a cool stat.
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by DaheelzCM on Jun 21, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holland was outstanding last night.
Very nice to see.
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by Rodney on Jun 21, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
he really was, when he gets consistent with that curve he showed last night, he’s gonna be very good. His slider hasnt been good from what i’ve seen, he leaves it up way too much at least, but that Curve looked really good. maybe mix a few CU in there and he’ll be fine
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by blalock84 on Jun 21, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then there's this...sigh:
Texas’ Chris Davis struck out three times and became the fastest player in major league history to reach 100 strikeouts, doing so in 219 at-bats. Melvin Nieves held the previous mark of 235 at-bats with Detroit in 1997.
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by Rodney on Jun 21, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They really need to send him down
He is completely lost, and his suck is contagious.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A month ago I was thinking
give him ‘til the All-Star break. Now I wonder if he’ll last that long barring a complete turnaround ASAP and I think maybe it’d be a better idea to send him down immediately until at least after the break. Frisco is good, give him a place close by but not too low, and move Smoak up to AAA as soon as he’s ready to go.
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by t ball on Jun 21, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking ASB before also
but
A) He just flat isn’t getting the slightest bit better. It looks like he closes his eyes and swings as hard as he can.
B) The whole team’s offense is disintegrating, and they need a spark and can’t carry CD’s dead ass any longer.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, i agree, If our offense didnt suck so bad, I wouldnt say its absolutely a must
but right now, we need whatever we can get
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by blalock84 on Jun 21, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Right now the only argument that has any merit at all for keeping Davis up is “who will replace him?” and even that argument can be addressed by saying “pretty-much anyone.” His contribution on defense will be missed, but it simply isn’t working.
It isn’t about riding out a slump anymore. It’s been 3 months (sorry Adam, eleven weeks). If a guy has been “slumping” for 67 games, it is hard to call it a slump.
Even without the offense being a disaster, you have to do something to fix the guy. He simply will not get better by being in Arlington. Why do people keep insisting that he will?
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by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"It’s been 3 months (sorry Adam, eleven weeks)"
Heh.
by brettgardner on Jun 21, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He whined to me when I said Davis has been slumping for 3 months the other day
when in fact it was only two and a half months.
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by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC, he was horrible in ST
so it’s actually been about 4 months.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol. not surprising
AJM has been one of the most stubborn people when it comes to Davis’ this year and his bat.
by Mike E on Jun 21, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think I "whined"
And that wasn’t my point.
But hey, whatever.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
spot on DJC
I’ve been relatively patient, but it is now obvious, painfully obvious, that it is time to send CD’s hacking ass to the minors.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 21, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been one of...
the last few LSB supporters and believers of CD turning it around while staying in the bigs. However I’m finally ready to throw in the towel. He’s just not getting it. It sucks because I really expected big things form him this year. It pains me to say this, but he needs to be sent down.
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by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
closes his eyes
You may not be far off. Someone on the radio this past week (Basik?) said that it appears he is not keeping his head down during his swing. It would be interesting to see his swing from last side by side with htis year’s swing.
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by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Some time away from the bright lights would do him some good. I have been much, much more patient with him than most and still am, but sometimes you gotta do what’s gotta be done. And this, I think, probably has to be done.
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if it may be that Chris Davis is one of the only players to clash with Rudy's style.
I remember a story describing how Rudy wants the hitters to wait until the pitcher releases the ball to start their swing. Another story where Rudy said it’s all mental with CD, implying CD has to get used to waiting to start his swing.
If nothing has changed from Rudy’s perspective, I don’t see how sending Davis down does any good. Either Davis just doesn’t have the physical ability to wait that long to start his swing (doubt it is bat speed, but there could be other factors like eye sight), or he really just need to learn to trust his swing at the ML level. There has never been a period, until now, that he really hasn’t been able to hit balls in the zone. It was mostly a matter of not chasing bad pitches in the minors. And, last year when he came up, his contact % on balls in the strike zone was 79%. That has dropped to 63%. He’s seeing more fastballs, but only 5% more than last year (55% last compared to 60% this). It isn’t as if he’s just getting fastballs because folks believe his bat speed isn’t there.
I’m tempted to blame Rudy for fixin’ somethin’ that wasn’t broke.
In which case, CD may need to get away from Rudy for a while to get back to himself. Or, maybe he needs to be traded if Rudy is just a really bad fit for CD.
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by rooster on Jun 21, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might be right
However, sending him down gets him away from Rudy, and hopefully if he gets back to hitting, he just ignores Rudy next time he is called up.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd never, ever...
…trade a player away because the coach fucked him up, if that’s indeed what happened here. Warsh knows enough about hitting to get them both on the same page. Others in the dugout and front office do, too, and if they still can’t get on the same page then I’d fire the coach.
Remember the stuff about Hamilton’s toe tap, too.
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the resort to his defense now falls somewhat short.
2.2 UZR, 5.4 UZR/150 ~ above average, but not nearly what it was when folks (including me) were justifying keeping him up here because his glove made waiting for his bat worthwhile.
-0.5 WAR. Good God, y’all.
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by Snark on Jun 21, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Boggs
Could he play 1B? How about a platoon at first of Hank and Boggs. When Hammy’s ready cut AJ and stick Borbon in CF, Hammy in LF, Nellie in RF. Watch Max closely at AAA to see if he’s come around – if so, call him up to catch and DH some. Trading Bird somewhere in there might help some, too.
by shroomer on Jun 21, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boggs at 1B
I’m not real keen on that idea. Not that I wouldn’t mind seeing more of him in the lineup, but first basemen under 6 feet all worry me.
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by RCCook on Jun 21, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not very likely
I kind of like your ideas, but I really don’t see them cutting Jones and doing that. More likely you’d see Blalock and Jones at 1B if (when) they send Davis down. I also don’t see them trading Byrd unless the return is both of appropriate value and a help to the major league club. Too much perceived value in the clubhouse, leadership and all that.
I am wont to poo poo all the clubhouse chemistry stuff by nature, but most of the time I think this front office and Wash do a pretty good job of mixing a little of that consideration in there along with more objective, tangible stuff. Cutting Jones wouldn’t be a problem, though I fear they’ll hang onto him even if his production continues to slacken. But trading Byrd needs to be done carefully with a good return and very carefully worded press conferences.
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by t ball on Jun 21, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough to see them cutting Jones
any time soon when he has the 4th highest OPS on the team. His slumps come at the same time as the rest of the teams, so its not like anyone is getting hot and blowing by him.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The desire to see this team cut ties with Jones
baffles me. He’s not the Andruw Jones of 6 years ago out there, but he has certainly contributed more to the Rangers this year than many other people on the club.
It’s this weird infatuation with guys who come up through the system, like they’re our children or something. I want the best players on the team, regardless of whether they were a cute little Rangers draftee or a smart veteran pickup by JD. If someone can show how Andruw Jones is hurting the team’s long-term future by forcing them to bench bright prospects or release players from the roster, then yeah, I can see the annoyance. But when it is Jones vs Blalock, Murphy, Byrd or Boggs… who cares?
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by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't get it either.
Its not like he is whining about riding the pine.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will the real Andruw Jones please stand up?
April .344 .523 .781 in 44 PAs
May .245 .339 .434 in 62 PAs
June .152/.194/.333 in 36 PAs
His May is similar to his 2007 season. June is like 2008. He is trending the wrong way.
He is not blocking an individual player but he may be blocking a firstbase solution. Send CD down and DFA AJ. Call up Borbon and Huffman. Blalock plays 1B with Huffman as a defensive replacement and spot starter.
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by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not just
send CD down and call up Huffman? What does Borbon have to do with 1B?
If you want to call up Borbon, you need to make room for him at the expense of Boggs, who isn’t getting playing time now, don’t you?
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huffman would require a roster move to add him to the 40
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 21, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as there are guys like
Golson and Duran on the 40, I wouldn’t lose a lot of sleep over the 40. I’d rather not see both Borbon and Boggs riding pine for the Rangers.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am assuming Rw and JD
would be on the same page and RW would play Borbon the majority of games in CF.
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by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Golson
There are a lot of guys I’d cut off the 40 before him, probably at least 6.
Duran, Arias, Bannister, Eyre, Mendoza. Well 5 anyway.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 21, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I was sticking to position players, but the point is that cutting someone from the 40 is no big thing.
Personally, for a position player, I’d cut Duran. He’s not part of the long term plans, and he is easily replaceable.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, i've been thinking
Maybe call up MaxRam? I really have alot of belief in his bat, probably more than alot of people here, and i really do think that his struggle at the begining of this year was his injured wrist. I know after he hit the walk off HR last night, he said his wrist was finally feeling ok. I would wonder if JD and his people believe in Max enough to call him up to replace CD. It would be an interesting move, you may have to wait til he actually shows that he can hit again with a fully healthy body.
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by blalock84 on Jun 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
40 man rules all
There is no roster spot for Huffman. Cutting AJ provides that spot. With CD going down that opens up a spot on the 25 man roster. Call up Borbon and see if he can handle the MLs. IF he can, then Hamilton can DH most of the time when he comes back.
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by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Putting Hank
on irrevocable waivers may clear the spot and save the team $4 million.
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by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is going to claim Hank
and his contract.
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by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you'd be surprised
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by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston was almost willing to trade a good reliever for him
Obviously they won’t right now, since Ortiz is hitting a little better, but maybe they’d still take him for no additional cost outside salary. I think the perception of Blalock’s value around the league is way underrated around here.
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by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I don’t think he has any value. He hits a few homers, but that’s about it. He’s an all or nothing guy who can’t play defense and is on the DL a lot.
A change of scenery may help him. I think he’s got ability. But as of right now I don’t see how he could have any trade value at all. Maybe a rich team like Boston takes him, sure. Otherwise I don’t see any candidates. Not with the economy the way it is.
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think his trade value is significant either
But if this team wanted to clear a roster spot, someone out there would be willing to eat at least some of his contract, and I think it’s possible maybe all of it.
It’s hard for me to see Blalock being that much more valuable to the 2009 Rangers than Jones is, so if you had to get rid of someone, at least getting rid of Blalock may save the team some money (whereas Jones is getting nothing, so he isn’t causing a problem that way).
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
RW is gonna play Borbon over Byrd. I think you are just gonna end up with Boggs and Borbon getting splinters in their ass rather than Boggs and Jones getting splinters in their ass.
As far as the 40 man, run DuranDuran through waivers. Problem solved.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you send down Davis and call up Huffman...
…you aren’t really doing anything to make the offense better.
That’s the problem. Most of the “solutions” to the offensive problems right now that people are throwing out there is to do something about Davis.
But what does that really do? Get Andruw Jones and Hank Blalock both in the lineup every day? I don’t see that that is going to be an improvement over what we have now.
The catchers aren’t hitting. Neither of the DHs (both of whom would start playing every day instead of in a platoon if Davis gets sent down) are hitting. None of the outfielders are hitting.
Davis may need to be sent down, but I don’t know that doing that does much, if anything, in terms of improving the offense right now.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What it does
is give a chance for Davis to get his head on right in the minors, so he might be an option to help in August or so.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
And I’m starting to think that may be the way to go.
My point, though, was there seems to be an attitude of “we have to get Davis out because he’s killing the lineup.”
And he’s a big part of the problem right now.
But you are likely going to replace him with bats that aren’t going to be demonstrably better, and in the meantime, removing him from the lineup isn’t going to make the rest of the guys who are sucking stop sucking.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there is anyone
who is going to give us worse at bats. Seriously, it looks like he puts a blindfold on and randomly swings the bat. I’d just as soon take my chances with Nate Gold. He may have a high probability of sucking, but CD is guaranteed to suck right now.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is just about every other hitter in the lineup
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't necessarily think replacing Davis
will improve production out of the first base spot. His D won’t be replaced, and the other 1b options aren’t substantial improvements with the bat. They’ll be an improvement, but it won’t be a positional strength for this team regardless.
But I do think that long-term it will make it more likely that Davis will be a contributor to this team at some point this year.
What if all Davis needs is a month of minor league pitching to get his confidence/timing back? Wouldn’t it have been nice if that month was ending around now instead of starting around now?
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would help him, though.
Davis, I mean. At some point you have to get your players on the right track. Sending him down may not help the big league team much, but it sure wouldn’t hurt it.
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think doing nothing is the solution?
Letting Hank play everyday may get his bat going. Putting Borbon in CF makes Byrd and Murphy parttime players. The role that best suits them. Until Hamilton comes back the DH can be whomever Washington’s gut tells him it should be for that day.
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by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Borbon
How do you think he’s going to hit? Better than Byrd? I doubt it.
If you are worried about offense, Byrd in center and Murphy/Boggs platoon in LF is going to be better than Borbon in center and Murphy/Byrd in LF.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ
Third highest OPS over the last 7 days.
You could look it up.
Only Kinsler, Young, Jones and Murphy have OPS over 700 in the last week.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
He has a .311 OPS over the last 7 days
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ's OPS run last 2 seasons
April – .533
May – .566
July – .433
April – 1.304
May – .773
June – .528
6 of his last 10 months in the majors he’s put up sub .700 OPS
8 of his last 10 months sub .800 OPS
I don’t see how anybody could be baffled. What’s baffling is attaching phantom reasons/biases to those who would simply like him replaced with a better player.
by shroomer on Jun 21, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those who would simply like him replaced with a better player.
You’re going to drop him for a horrendous June OPS when practically everyone else has a horrendous June OPS? Just because he’s coming off an off year? Was the idea “we’ll stick with Andruw Jones this year until he puts up a couple of 0 for 4s, at which point we’ll decide he’s the 2008 Jones and release him”? And what about the off months that Davis is coming into June with?
I can’t see the logic of dumping a guy who has a bad month while simultaneously desperately clinging to a guy who has had three bad months in a row hoping he gets better.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're attaching phantom reasons and biases to me
then ridiculing me for it.
I can’t fight moonbattery. You win. Here’s to AJ’s upcoming miracle string of OPS splendor.
by shroomer on Jun 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ, #3 amongst Rangers
in OPS over the last week. The joys of having crappy competition.
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by DJCahill on Jun 21, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference in Jones this year...
Versus last year:
Even though Jones hasn’t been getting as many hits, he’s still hitting the ball solidly.
I’d like to see his LD% this year vs last year and see how his average should be comparabily.
Although, it does seem that he’s not working counts as well as he had been in April/May — but the whole team seems that way. Something in the water?
by Trickman on Jun 21, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the one that replied to my original post
I’m just saying that using Jones’s stats from last year as evidence to release him is silly, especially when people won’t use Davis’s stats from this year as evidence to send him away.
I think the problem is many people (maybe not you) came into the season with an assumption that Jones was bad, and this last month is just a nice little example of confirmation bias so they can say they were right all along.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since May 1
Since May 1, Jones has a 681 OPS.
Davis has a 667 OPS on the season.
So Jones has his great April, and otherwise, has sucked as much as Davis has all season.
Jones was brought in to be a contributor this year, on a short-term basis.
Davis is expected to be a contributor for this team on a long-term basis.
Jones was terrible in 2008, and wasn’t very good offensively in 2007, either.
Davis was extremely good in the minors in 2007 — Jamey had him as the #1 prospect in the system that offseason, IIRC — and was extremely good in the minors and the majors in 2008.
So yeah, I think it is understandable that some people would be willing to give Davis more rope, and be more inclined to cut bait with Jones.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my problem
You seem to be equating releasing Jones to sending Davis to the minors. Obviously no one is advocating releasing Davis – sending him to AA or AAA is a developmental move, he’s still in the organization and he will eventually be back. I’ve never said to release Davis, or trade him for peanuts, or anything of that sort. Just that he needs to go to somewhere without as much pressure to finish developing. There is zero long-term risk with that move, whereas with releasing Jones there are obvious long-term ramifications.
Being a “top prospect” is great, but it doesn’t in and of itself mean that a guy merits a 25 man roster spot any more than Jones being a future Hall of Famer only 3+ years ago. So when it comes to giving someone more rope, I’m going to give it to the guy who will disappear once you make a move with him.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout this
put Borbon in CF platooning with Byrd against LH, Hammy in LF when he gets back and DH sometimes as well, Nellie in RF, with Blalock/AJ splitting 1B, Murphy playing DH and LF against all righties and then having Hank and AJ take the DH/1b slots against all LHP. So Murph goes back to being a platoon player.
just my two cents, I think Borbon could be an effective player today in the bigs, might as well try something to break this team out of the slump
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by blalock84 on Jun 21, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for this right now...
since it’s obvious that Boggs just isn’t going to play.
Also, I’m tired of Marlon Byrd. I know he’s a great clubhouse guy, and has been more than I could have ever thought he would be as a Ranger. I’m just tired of seeing him swing at every single pitch. I would even consider a Borbon/Boggs platoon in CF over Byrd right now.
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by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haven't looked at the stats
but he doesn’t look very good in CF either.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 21, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, thats part of my reasoning, Borbon is likely the best defensive CF
He’s also more likely to get on base than about half our team right now, as sad as that is. We just need guys to get on base, I would hope and think he could be what Andrus has been for us with maybe a slightly higher BA.
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by blalock84 on Jun 21, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Whitesell of the D'Backs
I know nothing about him but he has a .362 OBP in 20 gp this year with 13 BB and 15 SO. He also plays first. Is a viable option?
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by boomer1 on Jun 21, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Strike that
I dug around for more info. Nevermind
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on Jun 21, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, is it still true that if the Rangers
get league average pitching they will win the division?
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by rooster on Jun 21, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it true
that this little joke is getting very old?
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by t ball on Jun 21, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
You need league average hitting to go along with it.
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by boomer1 on Jun 21, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we are assuming
an average team will win the AL West?
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Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels
…are looking more and more above average all the time. Even the M’s have a little something going for them. If this shit continues I can see a slide all the way to 3rd place. That sure would suck.
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Older than the trite sports-writer truism that the Rangers wilt in the August heat?
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Jun 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio Romo
Would looooove that guy in my bullpen
by oc on Jun 21, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I see what you did there.
Hot Topic.
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 21, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly off topic
Crazy baseball trick.
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by DaheelzCM on Jun 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh, I'd break three or four fingers trying that.
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by Rodney on Jun 21, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh.
Pretty cool looking. Too bad he can’t hit.
by Black Francis on Jun 21, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that the Rangers offense will come around. Look at the Rockies they suddenly remembered that they play in Coors field and have won like 15 out of 17 or something like that
by Schultzy on Jun 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought managers don't matter.
Colorado fired Clint Hurdle and then went on a run. What do you advocate the Rangers doing?
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by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy Father's Day, LSBers :)
I’ll miss the game to spend the afternoon with my dad (and mom and brother). Hold it down and help avoid the sweep :)
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I'm an Andrus-caliber catch. :-)
by baseballismyboyfriend on Jun 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where is the damn Oriole's pitching staff when you need it?
we need to face them again
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by blalock84 on Jun 21, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
strikeout update
The Rangers are on pace to set a new team and AL strikeout record. They are even threatening the ML record.
1997 Rangers……1116
2009 Rangers……1308 (on pace for)
2001 Yankees…….1266
2003 Cubs………….1404
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the 03 Cubs.
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by Maximilian on Jun 21, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Matt Cain.
Some here had almost talked me out of liking him, which is crazy.
by tyd3311 on Jun 21, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it was T Ball.
We had a discussion about Cain regression, IIRC.
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Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 21, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They might give up Cain
if the Rangers throw in Elvis and a prospect.
by Redcaps on Jun 21, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A prospect like Justin Smoak or Neftali Feliz maybe.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jun 21, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No and no.
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by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if any realize this...
but Smoak would have to be included as a PTBNL.
by Redcaps on Jun 21, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would spark
a Cain mutiny.
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