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Texas Rangers starting pitcher Kevin Millwood walks off the mound after giving up the go-ahead run to San Francisco Giants' Randy Winn in the seventh inning of a baseball game  in San Francisco, Sunday, June 21, 2009. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)

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7 months ago: Texas Rangers starting pitcher Kevin Millwood walks off the mound after giving up the go-ahead run to San Francisco Giants' Randy Winn in the seventh inning of a baseball game in San Francisco, Sunday, June 21, 2009. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)

That was an unpleasant series in San Francisco. 

Late in Saturday's game, with the bats looking absolutely useless against Matt Cain, either Josh or Tom said something along the lines of, "If you don't enjoy a pitching duel like this, you aren't a baseball fan."

I didn't enjoy Saturday's game.  I didn't enjoy it, not because it was a pitcher's duel, but because it was the latest example of the Ranger offense looking impotent, and because it is incredibly frustrating to watch a game thinking that your team is incapable of scoring more than a run or two.

Anthony Andro notes that the defense played a big role in yesterday's loss, with Nelson Cruz and Elvis Andrus each contributing to Giant runs.

Ron Washington believes that the sixth inning is the most crucial inning in a game

Gil LeBreton says the Rangers need to look at going younger the rest of the way...leave Chris Davis alone, let Brandon Boggs play more (at the expense of Marlon Byrd and Hank Blalock), and consider bringing up Julio Borbon and Max Ramirez.

Richard Durrett says there's really not much Ron Washington can do right now about the offense.

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Hey Gil

what would that accomplish? Most likely a worse team, a worse offense and less ticket sales as the end result, although lately I’m not sure what a worse offense would look like.

by texasraider on Jun 22, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what the point is

It is a very defeatist article – it’s as if it is written about a team six or seven games out of first.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 22, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe

in Gil Lebreton’s give up plan.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

play for next year plan

i’m surprised a mainstream media guy said it

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When the team is rebuilding, it's ranting because we can't "win now"

When the team is in first, it’s “call up the young guys and play for next year.”

The MSM operates in the bizarro world.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not the same people

but yeah, I agree.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It can't be the same people...

When the Rangers show signs of life and hope for the future, the ranters from the rebuilding days lose interest and start looking at the Cowboys depth chart.

Once the topic moves beyond “the Rangers suck and everyone needs to be fired”, they don’t have any actual knowledge from which to discuss baseball.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I don't think the Rangers do, either.

Hicks is not in a position to punt, and the Rangers are still in first place right now and in contention. As bad as the offense has been lately, I simply cannot imagine why the team would even remotely consider playing for next year. They’d have to slump long enough to get down 7 or 8 games to the Angels over the next 6-8 weeks for that to become the plan.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JD will probably split the baby

which is just maintain the status quo.

Davis plays, but so does Byrd.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather see the opposite happen...

with CD going down to get straightened out and Boggs playing over Byrd.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 22, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

i don’t think there is any chance in hell that boggs plays over byrd.

but at this point it is probably more likely CD goes down

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boggs over Byrd...

is just wishful thinking on my part. I know it won’t really happen.

I wouldn’t mind Borbon getting his feet wet the next 3 weeks or so ’til Hamilton comes back either, Although I doubt this will happen too.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 22, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a huge "let Davis work through it" guy

BUT, at this point I don’t think it’s helping him or the team. I can’t stand watching Blalock hit, but I think I would rather live with a Jones/Blalock 1B platoon and give CD a few weeks at AAA in less pressure packed situations to figure it out.

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Jun 22, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was right there with you...

on CD ‘til this last series in SF. It’s painfully obvious now that he needs to go down to figure some things out.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 22, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, that's where I'm at too.

Him reaching the big one-oh-oh was kind of a wakeup call that he’s not really being served any by sitting here in the majors.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean having the big nine-oh

or the big eight-oh
or the big seven-oh

likely before anyone else in baseball history wasn’t convincing?

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 22, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

those are still at relatively small sample sizes.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Dont get this

Yes, it was a SSS…but his swing was just horrible and it was easy to see for anyone looking

i didnt need 100ks to see he couldnt hit the ball the way he was swinging

by Horns130 on Jun 22, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

people can look completely horrible for long stretches and then magically get better

i think a shit load of us are counting on it. and i also think davis’ swing has gotten better, though not that much better. he wasn’t making contact at all before and at least now he’s doing that a bit more consistently. he obviously needs to make better contact but he has improved.

and no offense but your eye sucks. what were you expecting out of holland on saturday?

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is just not his swing

his eye or judgement are also awful. He swings at bad pitches, low & inside, plus he cannot catch up with any fastball faster then 91. That makes for an easy out which isn’t going to be fixed at this level.

by diamond_dave on Jun 22, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

San Frans offense...

Sorry, he was better, but he still needs to trust his breaking pitches more and he still needs to keep the ball down more consistently

it was a very good performance, i hope he repeats it often

as for CD’s swing, no…it still sucks, it is just super slow right now and im amazed he can even make contact with it most of the time…granted, he actually doesnt make contact that often

by Horns130 on Jun 22, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's gone

unless magic happens in the AZ series. I would actually think he’s gone now but I’m not sure what protocol is when you are travelling with the team. Is it bad form to send a young guy packing in the middle of a road trip?

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At worst he needs to be gone by the time they get home.

Any ideas who comes up? I think it’s too soon for Smoak based on him just coming back from injury, maybe picks up right where he left off and does so for 2-3 weeks. But, who comes up in the short term?

I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.

by RA Dickey on Jun 22, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Short term

you let Blalock play everyday there. Jones in an emergency

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

deciphering pitching stats

what is the best statistical representation of a pitcher’s performance, and assuming there’s not one that’s all-encompassing, what are the best 2-3?

i have been looking at earned runs, and although the best pitchers have the lowest ERAs, i am not finding earned runs to be very indicative of future performance.

whip?

opposing team batting average?

by sam in so cal on Jun 22, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A starting pitcher's job is to do everything he can

to give his team a chance to win the game.

Game Scores are not flawless but it’s a very good indicator.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 22, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're ok

I wouldn’t use them in isolation or as proof of anything, but as one datapoint they’re fine. You could say the same about almost any pitching stat.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it is a good indication of future performance

but fine as an assessment of how someone did

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

an evaluation of a single performance.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you take all those single performances and

add them up, it gives you a nice assessment on how somebody pitched in a season, a 2-3 year window or even a career.

When you can bank it that a Game Score of 50+ gives you a 70% chance of winning, it’s a stat of significance.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 22, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the problem is that is not a true indicator of perfomance

That is just like saying depending on which conference wins the Superbowl the stock market for the next year will trend up or down. Just becasue the AFC won does not mean that the market will or will not trend up this year.

Do some research into Metric Valuation, and it will lead you to understanding why that logic has such a great flaw. All that really is doing is adding more confirmation bias into your argument.

By creating a metric that starts at a static point and fluctuates for performance without having a minimum duration indicator, it will reward short outings . If you follow the complete breakdown of the GS metric you see performance rewards past the 4th inning, but no detractor for not going at least 4 innings. So then according to this metric is is perfectly fine for a starting pitcher to go 4 innings in a start?

GS is not a great indicator of performance. GS is designed to be used a as a metric to determine if a player’s W-L record is inflated by “cheap” wins or is being dragged down as “hard” losses. It is not a metric to be used on an individual game by game or season y season basis. It does not correct for park nor league.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 22, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

there is a difference between predictive stats (which game scores really are not) and a descriptive stat, which game scores are probably adequate for looking back at a single game.

I think a big reason that people stick to “baseball card stats” like ERA, W, BA, and RBI is that they are very descriptive of past performance while remaining intuitive and simple. RBI and R have almost not predictive power at all. But it does tell you how many runs that guy drove in/scored that year. Which ultimately is one of the things he was paid to do that year – drive in and score runs. ERA is not as sophisticated as many other measures, but its simplicity is a virtue. Likewise, the simplicity of BA is useful as well.

The real problem I see with Game Scores is that they doesn’t provide a marked improvement over ERA while they are complicated to calculate and really understand statistically.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Game Scores tell you is whether or not

a starting pitcher screwed the pooch and killed his team or if he gave them a chance to win.

Lots of people like to cite the Lackey outing as the reason Game Scores are a bad stat. How often does that actually happen?

Forget that the Angels had to go to the pen early, did Lackey’s actual performance on the field demonstrably hurt his team’s chances of winning?

Also, which stat over Game Scores would you prefer to use in assessing Lackey’s performance that day?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 22, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

screwing the pooch or giving your team a chance to win

I like to use simple runs and earned runs allowed for that. I don’t need game score to tell me whether or not a pitcher gave the team a chance to win.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Kinsler score in that inning?

So wouldn’t Lackey’s ERA be infinite because he didn’t retire anybody?

So, a pitcher that walked 5, gave up 7 hits, allowed 10 earned runs (but retired three hitters) and had an ERA of 90.00 would be judged as giving his team a much better chance by you…because after all, his ERA was better.

Dumbass logic.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 22, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

But that line of discussion

in it self totally kills the idea behind GS. Because it is only an additive metric for duration it never references the fact that some pitchers go shorter distances than others. Wouldn’t the better approach be to start the GS equation at 42 and then do the additive +2 per inning irregardless of what inning it is? If you want to capture the fact that a pitcher goes more than 4 innings weight the latter innings higher. The problem with that reasoning is that your median score then won’t fall in the 45-55 range but instead would probably be pushed down to a 42-52 range instead.

That is the design of all metrics. To be easily used and gauged quickly for comparisons of events. To make this an easily veiwed and measure metric with a baseline of 50 they had to make some adjustments in the formula. That is neither good nor bad, that is the nature of creating a metric. Metrics are designed to give a simple quick answer to a complicated problem. They are designed to be a quick check item instead of an encompassing multilevel descriptive statistic.

GS is flawed. That is not a bad thing. It just is. The lack of a true duration metric along with the inability to be given in Park Neutral and League Neutral forms hurt is predictive ability and flaws its descriptive ability.

Why build a metric that is only descriptive in a limited subset? If it is used in that subset it is fine. The problem arises when it is used outside of the subset to try a prove or confirm an idea that has more variables in play than what that metric itself entails. That is the entire point behind metric valuation.

No stat or descriptive metric will be able to encompass everything a pitcher does. The problem you are running into is that you keep using a metric that is more flawed than other descriptive metrics available because you are using Game Score out of the original context it was designed to be used in.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 22, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dumbass logic.

:)

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by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing but blah, blah, blah, tonto.

Some stats tell you what time it is, some stats tell you how to make a watch.

Game Scores tell you what time it is.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 22, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

See thats the entire problem

when you get pointed to your flaws you clam up and spout some form of gibberish. Once again, GS don’t tell you “what time it is”. It is designed to tell you, using your analogy, if when you used your home made sundial that your estimation of the time was over or under the actual time, not what time it is.

Once again go research some information on Metric Valuation. Until then, stay out of the realm of determining which metrics are right or better and should be used for which purposes. You keep trying to use a metric that was designed to determine quality of a “Win” or “Loss” in a place where neither wins nor losses are trying to be measured.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 22, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I’ll go to Bill James for answers and not some baseball message board spare named laxtonto.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 22, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Code for:

I don’t have a response to this well thought out argument, therefore you are a message board spare

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Jun 22, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So once again just admit you are wrong

or have no real clue what you are talking about and I will leave you alone.

It seems like every time you get humiliated on this board you try an pull the “you don’t know what you are talking about card”.

Why is Bill James the only person on earth that should understand the concept on how metrics work. It is not like he developed the format, or for that matter even have a degree statistics or hard mathmatics. Metrics and metric valuation is the same regardless of what field you are looking at it from.

I really enjoy Bill James writings, but that does not make his metrics fool proof. He has admitted that is true on several occasions. Get over your love affair with any and all things Bill James and move on to a new person to stalk.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 22, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still say Bill James is like Sigmund Freud

his general approach was in the right direction, but his actual techniques are mostly crap.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

laxtonto

You’re like the person who loves to talk to just hear their own head rattle and really not worth the time.

On this argument, I feel very comfortable siding with Bill James over you.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 22, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why

Josey, would you consider it “siding with James”? LT is defining the discipline James studied to himself learn statistical analysis. His game score work is to assess a single snapshot in time, never intended to be used as either a predictive or qualifying tool. Should you two sit down over coffee and get clear?

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

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~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Jun 22, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ed

I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat.

He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats the problem with you Josey

instead of coming to the realization you could be wrong it is always the other guys fault. I must be hard when the entire world is wrong and always out to get you.

The problem with your entire premise of any discussion in this matter is that you have an unclear understanding of the idea of what is being tested. I have a degree in statistical analysis, and unlike you I work with this situation on a daily basis. I understand you don’t and have been very civil in my attempts to try to explain this to you. Your petty insults and snarky remarks are well past the humorous stage and bordering on the realm of pathetic at this point. Either spend the time to research and fully understand the material or leave the subject alone.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Degree in statistical analysis?

Well, It should be obvious to you that a starting pitcher who gives his team a Game Score of 50+ greatly enhances his team’s chances of winning.

If you want to argue that point, take it up with somebody else.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See once again

you shift your premise. GS was never intended to be used to determine a teams chance of winning a game period. That should be evident by the lack of a duration factor.

GS was designed to determine “Tough” Losses and “Lucky” Wins. There is nothing built into that metric to help determine probability of wins, because it has no real baseline.

There are to many other metrics specifically designed to be used as predictors of future performance that already cover all the flaws of GS and yet you keep insisting on using GS as a predictive measure.

Have you any done any large scale tests on GS and team winning % ? Do you even know if there is even a remote correlation between the two?

According to your very small sample a pitcher that has a GS above 50 has a 70% probability of their team winning. Have you tested this historically? Have you tested for variation form team to team and park to park? Without a park neutral component how can you pick a specific value?

Lets really dissect this GS formula then…

1. Start with 50 points.
   2. Add 1 point for each out recorded, so 3 points for every complete inning pitched.
   3. Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th.
   4. Add 1 point for each strikeout.
   5. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed.
   6. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed.
   7. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed.
   8. Subtract 1 point for each walk.

Why the arbitrary rate of 50? Why not start at 0 or even 5? 50 is used because it is a simple, easily recognizable point people associate with good and bad.

Why do you give 2 points for each inning after the 4th? Why is there no penalty for shorter outings? If this is a metric specifically designed to quantify how well a SP pitched would a component such as IP not be vital to the long term projectabilty of the GS metric?

Why the same value for walks and strikeouts? The different sabermetics studies in that field rarely agree on a specific number, but they are never in a 1 to 1 ratio. Walks tend to hurt more than strikeouts help.

Why an arbitrary 2 for hits? Sabermetric studies have shown that hits tend to have more effect on the chance to score a run than walks and tend to be a much greater rate than 2 to 1.

Why 4 for unearned and 2 for earned runs? With runs being the key component of this metric, can you answer to me why the difference between the two is a 2 to 1 relationship? Why is it a simplified scale for all unearned runs instead of differing values for the number of errors associated with each run scoring?

Why all of these flaws in your excellent GS metric that is supposed to be a great predictor of future performance?

Game Score was not designed as a representative model. That should be self evident by the use of whole numbers throughout the design. Game Score is a quick and dirty metric with a lot of wiggle room designed to do one thing. Attempt to measure the validity of Wins and Losses, which in itself is an arbitrary value. Trying to use it to be the lone indicator for success leaves way to many holes in your projections.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

if game scored used IP as a duration component, would it be significantly more useful in predictive or qualifying performance? Wouldn’t that be an amazing stat? (Does it not already exist in some form?)

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

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by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

question about game scores

how are they distributed across the league over all starters? What do individual players distributions usually look like?

Presumably across the league game scores average out at some value which is associated with a 50% chance of winning (maybe game score ~40ish). That should be the mean. But are all the other scores normally (Gaussian) distributed? Or does it have a weird shape (bumps at different places based on some of the equation parameters).

The reason I ask is that averaging across an oddly shaped distribution can give you weird results.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 22, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but again

as one data point. You most certainly cannot just use game score by itself and say “x” is a great pitcher. It is not proof, it is more effect than cause. Any system that gives Lackey a 40-something game score for being ejected after two pitches has serious problems. It’s no better than ERA. I think you’d need a LOT of game scores for them to be a reliable indicator of a pitcher’s worth..and by that time we’d already know everything we need to about that pitcher.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHIP

WHIP is really only telling if it is significantly above or below league average.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 22, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tRA and tRA+ is supposed to be the most advanced, alll-encompassing metric, from what I've heard

Although I’m also told that tRA can mean little in small sample sizes.

When I’m looking at a pitcher, I usually look at how the FIP relates to the ERA, how the K/BB rates and WHIP look, and whether or not the BABIP is abnormally low or high and might be affecting a guy’s BAA and LD rate. All of that is pretty much one-stop skimming at Fangraphs. Once I’ve let that draw me a good picture of a pitchers tendencies and if he’s been lucky or unlucky, then I head over to statcorner to see what tRA has to say about the overall performance of the picture.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

walk me through this please

cahill (OAK) has been pretty consistently good over his last six starts

lop off the highest/lowest earned run games (6/17 = 0 and 6/11 =3). that leaves 2 ER in each of his remaining four starts. he has a total of 8 ER in those four starts (GREAT) and has 25 walks/hits in those 25 innings (1.00 = GREAT)

his tRA according to StatCorner is 5.80

using the same process, sanchez for SF has 12 ER (3/game, exactly 1 ER per game more than cahill) and 31 walks/hits in 20 innings (1.55)

his tRA is 5.02

what do you make of this?

obviously, the sample is different for my calculation v tRA calculation, but what about other explanations as to why cahill is, on paper, worse (tRA) when cahill is (in my mind) pitching a lot better.

by sam in so cal on Jun 22, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a couple of things

peripherals: strikeout and walk rates. while K/BB is pretty much the same, Cahill puts a lot of balls in play. Sanchez gets double the strikeouts (and walks).

So if there are a lot of balls in play, you have to look at BABIP. Cahill’s is pretty low at .269.

Now you kind of have to do some work yourself to figure out if Cahill is doing anything special to induce this low BABIP. He does get a lot of grounders but his line drive rate is average. You’re going to have to figure out if his BABIP is deflated (if he’s just been lucky).

Just to give you a point of comparison, Scott Feldman has the second lowest BABIP. Is that just Scott’s stuff?

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one other thing

BABIP is obviously affected by defense. If you are only interested in a pitcher’s results, then you might as well take into consideration the defense that those guys have playing behind them. Feldman is probably getting lucky but he also is starting off at a better point because of the Rangers D

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Feldman induces alot of weak contact also which helps

He has to be among the league leaders in breaking bats if that stat is kept

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

you would think that would be reflected with a low line drive rate. feldman does have one of the lower ones.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing it has a lot to do with the fact that Sanchez K's 8.80 batters per 9, and Cahill K's a meagher 4.23

K rate seems to factor in pretty greatly to any stat like FIP or tRA that’s trying to give you a one-number summarization of how a guy is pitching. I don’t know how all the formula’s and stuff works, but numbers like FIP and tRA don’t seem to like guys who don’t strike hardly anyone out. Which makes a certain amount of sense, I suppose, as low-K guys don’t tend to have as much breathing room between being effective and getting hammered.

But really, this is why I don’t use just one stat as an end-all when I’m seriously analyzing a pitcher: you’re not really getting a complete picture as to why tRA says what it says when you’re looking at it alone.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That has always been my main complaint with both tRA and FIP….they both basically just tell you whether he strikes a lot of people out…

by Horns130 on Jun 22, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But there is a reason for that

If we ignore passed balls or wild pitches, a strikeout is the only outcome of an at-bat that will result in an out 100% of the time. You have other options, like a ground ball, line drive, outfield fly ball, infield fly ball, home runs, walks, and HBPs. None of the other options give you a better chance of getting an out than a strikeout. For the same reason, it’s also the outcome that favors the pitcher the most (double play would technically favor the pitcher more, but it is not considered to be a real “outcome” since it is situation and defense dependent). This is part of the reason that strikeouts are valued so highly in defense independent pitching metrics.

by Telegraph on Jun 22, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I know

I understand the logic behind it, and i think it is very valuable

i just think too many people race towards FIP or tRA blindly lately

As lonestar said, every stat has a value, and you maximize their respective values when you use the in conjunction with other stats

by Horns130 on Jun 22, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

predictive stats

My guess is that you are wanting some quick pitching stats that might help with gambling maybe?

I’d suggest to look at strikeout rate, bb rate (and the ratio between those 2), gb rate, and batting average against.

Like LSJ mentions, fangraphs is probably the best site that has all these handy, and it is very easy to sort thru leagues, teams, etc. Surf around over there and get well acquainted with that site. They also have a ZiPs (ROS) projection on each pitchers page. That is a projection for the rest of the season based on what the pitcher’s current peripherals – I’d think that would be very informative for gambling.

There's more to the picture than meets the eye.

by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gambling?

why would you think that? LOL

it seems to me that the SP would be much more influential than any other single player, and i am having difficulty assessing the impact this person has.

yesterday, i really thought that the rangers would break out against zito, but the bad ranger offense was the determining factor in the loss – zito isn’t that good (anymore).

i understand that bad offense creates good defense (especially in this instance), but i want to make sure that i am not overlooking something – that i was wrong in my assessment of zito as a bad pitcher. in other words, is there anything that could have pointed to zito being good, or was this solely on the rangers?

by sam in so cal on Jun 22, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sdfvtqw

Gil LeBreton = idiot. Anyone still advocating the do nothing approach with CD is an idiot. That include JD. As for Durretts idea of shuffling the lineup, how about RW draw names out of a hat.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 22, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Billy Martin actually do that at one point to bust his team out of a slump?

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by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

quote butchering

Ron Washington ain’t no Billy Martin

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 22, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is actually a good point

if lou piniella or tony larussa does this, you trust it is some special thing and they know what they are doing.

if wash does this, players might just think he’s terrible and amateur. of course, it is possible the players respect him more than we give credit for

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its pretty obvious that they do..

In spite of tons of evidence and quotes showing that they like the guy and play hard for him (both signs of respect), the preponderance of folks on here seem to know better than the players.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Jun 22, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

there is a difference between thinking he is a good baseball guy and just a good guy in general and attributing genius to someone when they make what seems like an on face stupid move (like drawing names out of a hat). Nobody questions Earl Weaver if he does that. They’ll question Yogi Berra, even though they might all love Yogi to death and play hard for him.

I dunno, maybe I’m splitting hairs.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

we’ve long since passed the logic line of Wash bashing here. The man is far from perfect, but he’s hardly the worst manager in baseball who simply doesn’t have a clue. It’s ironic to me that the same people (me included) who bash Josey for refusing to see the improvement in the way Daniels does his job are the ones who refuse to see that Wash has grown a bit, too.

I think Wash looks better with better players, too. Big surprise, since the manager really doesn’t have as much to do with the outcome as we tend to think.

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by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I'm fully on board with giving Marlon Byrd less playing time

But Davis needs to go down before he either drives himself or the fans (or both) insane. You can’t leave him up in the majors for the rest of the season, not in his current state.

If Max Ramirez is healthy again and back to racking, I’d bring him up right now, and get him regular AB’s between DH, catcher and platooning against lefties at first with Hank. I’d play Boggs over Byrd in center against lefties, and I’d relegate Jones back to bench bat/little used DH/LF option.

The only problem with that plan is that Ron Washington has a documented history of not wanting MaxRam to catch, and would no doubt balk at the thought of giving him AB’s over his precious little toy Andruw at DH. So unless give Wash a old fashioned sodium pentathol talking too, that idea is pretty much useless (nevermind the fact that it hinges on Max being healthy and ready to mash on such short notice already).

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Moreland, Tim Smith

Sickels:

**Everyone with a modicum of sabermetric knowledge knows that batting average is a traditionally overrated stat, but I still find something aesthetically pleasing about a .300 average. A guy to watch in his regard is Tim Smith of the Rangers, drafted in the seventh round in 2007 out of Arizona State. Considered a pure hitter but with marginal power for a corner guy, Smith hit .300/.359/.450 in the Midwest League last year (+17 percent OPS), and has continued that in 2009. He began the year with a .333/.413/.475 mark in 35 games for Class A Bakersfield, and has continued to rake with a .386/.422/.474 line in 15 games after being promoted to Double-A Frisco. He has good plate discipline, and despite just-decent running speed he can swipe a base, being 11 for 12 this year in steals. Smith projects as a left fielder, but doesn’t have the ideal home run power you want from that position. Nevertheless, if he can maintain the strike zone judgment and good contact rate, it’s possible he could eventually tap into more power given his 6-3, 225 frame. He’s worth keeping an eye on.

**Smith’s teammate at Frisco, outfielder Mitch Moreland, is another Ranger bat to watch. Also a 2007 draft product (17th round, Mississippi State), Moreland hit .324/.400/.536 in the Midwest League last year. Like Smith, he raked at Bakersfield (.341/.421/.594 in 43 games) earlier this season, and has continued to bash the ball in the Texas League (.323/.363/.469 in 23 games). Moreland has more current power than Smith and also controls the strike zone well. A first baseman/right fielder, he’s bulkier at 6-2, 230 and doesn’t run as well as Smith.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/6/20/919755/hit-and-run-june-20-2009

Moreland:
67 Frisco ABs: .324/.378/.418
170 Bakers ABs: .341/.421/.594

Smith:
108 Frisco ABs: .343/.360/.463
120 Bakers ABs: .333/.413/.475

How long do they have to maintain those lines before they get taken seriously?

Is Moreland a legit stopgap at 1B, especially if he can DH too?

I say this time next month they’re in the mix to get promoted if they maintain.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jun 22, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

messed up the slash lines...

Moreland:
108 Frisco ABs: .324/.360/.463
170 Bakers ABs: .341/.421/.594

Smith:
67 Frisco ABs: .343/.378/.418
120 Bakers ABs: .333/.413/.475

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jun 22, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, they both just quit taking walks

but I guess the opposing pitchers probably have more control

by texasraider on Jun 22, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably that

And pitchers haven’t figured they need to pitch around them yet

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone ever walked thier way to the MLs?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 22, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its a nice trait to have

But if you focus solely on that then you end up with Brandon Boggs who walks but can’t get his average above .240 in the majors. Walks are nice but sometimes you want a guy who you are confident can put the ball in play and get a basehit

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

Good to see a scouting report on Smith finally.

I’m really starting to heart Mitch Moreland. Hard.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith, Moreland

I’m a little bit more into Moreland than Smith, but both are having nice years (again). One caveat: notice that the gap between avg. and obp has shrunk a lot since being promoted to AA. I’d like to see both, especially Moreland, get their walk rates up to where they were last year.

I think Moreland’s control of the zone in his pro career is a good sign of his chances to make it to the big leagues and stay there. He’s not going to be an all-star, but I’ve felt for about a year now that he could be a league average hitter at 1B/DH, with an ops in the mid-800s. The way the system is and they’ve been using him, I think he’s got a chance to be a corner outfielder, but maybe not for the Rangers.

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by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

along with Smith and Moreland

I’d like to see Bianucci promoted. I don’t think he has anything more to prove in low-A. I’m really high on him at the moment.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Jun 22, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Newberg thinks Bianucci

is a Kevin Mench starter kit.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Jun 22, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which made no sense.

What, a three-four year wonder, or a stupid egomaniac?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, didn't he say he wasn't sure but was leaning that way??

Jamey’s much too nuanced to be so blunt about at A-ball player.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Jun 22, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I looked back and that’s almost exactly what he said. There goes my own faulty memory and lack of nuance again.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Jun 22, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While Gil might not be

the greatest baseball thinker in the world, I do agree with him that Boggs should be getting more playing time at the expense of Byrd.

"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008

by kentbenfer on Jun 22, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He certainly should be getting some time

at Murphy’s expense against lefties.

On the offchance any hitter gets hot, they need to keep them in, even if they are usually bench bats. So if Boggs goes on a tear (which he hasn’t), they need to find time for him.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the problems right now is

Murphy, Byrd and Jones all suck ass against lefties. That’s basically three guys Boggs needs to platoon with. Which also really makes you wonder why Boggs isn’t getting ton’s of playing time lately.

I really don’t get Wash and his irrational refusal to play certain young guys, even when they guys he already has are mired in deep slumps and have poor splits in an area where said young player can help out in.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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-Section 339

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by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boggs

While he had nice numbers against lefties in the minors he didn’t reproduce that last year in the majors and it isn’t really that small a sample size either. So while he has been better than Murphy, this years Byrd is about as good as last years Boggs against them and Byrd has a history of doing well against lefties.

We aren’t talking about a guy who went all Sammy Sosa against lefties last year.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

But he’s still regarded as a better hitter right-handed than left-handed, and with all three of those guys sucking against LHP’s themselves, Boggs should still be getting playing time right now.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
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by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he should be geting playing time but I see the reasoning behind him not getting very much

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Borbon should be getting playing time ahead of both of them…

"Dear dumb ass folowers of FSMism,

There have been a lot of weird things that i have seen in my life before, but this tops them all. Do you really believe that there is/was such a thing as a flying spaghetti monster? Seriously, how fucking old are you? I know there’s such a thing as freedom of speech and expression, but this kinda shit should be banned. Theres is only one God and one Holy Word. Why dont you people get that? How much sense does it make to say that decreasing numbers of pirates lead to an increase in average global temperature? Is that science or some fifth grader trying to sound smart?"

–Sincerly,
ANONYMOUS

The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/)

by 8legs2fangs on Jun 22, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just yet

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else think that Borbon is just a younger Juan Pierre?

Doesn’t walk and doesn’t strikeout.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With gap power and a better arm

So…I guess I don’t.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Jun 22, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

Just looking at raw numbers.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Borbon's arm isn't strong, and Pierre's arm used to be better

so I think the comp is a reasonable one.

There's more to the picture than meets the eye.

by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take your word for it...

…on Pierre’s arm early in his career. But, according to Jason Parks’ scouting report at BTIA, Borbon’s arm is only slightly below average, but his ball to hand transfer is excellent. Right now, Juan Pierre couldn’t bust a grape in a fruit fight.

Also, according to Parks, he has power potential, but tends to slap at the ball. So, I guess the comparison is a little more apt than I thought, but Borbon’s ceiling is higher.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Jun 22, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carl Crawford.

"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."

by scoop16 on Jun 22, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta say no...

Carl Crawford is an unbelievable athlete…NFL potential kind of guy who chose baseball

by Horns130 on Jun 22, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, my favorite non-Ranger

But they have very comparable minor league OPS, HR/AB, SB%.
Plus Borbon’s a better fielder.

When I say Crawford, I mean it as best case scenario.

"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."

by scoop16 on Jun 22, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I admittedly have no clue about Crawford’s MiLB numbers so ill trust you

i just know that crawford is an amazing athlete and i always hate comps to guys who are just honest to god freaks of nature

by Horns130 on Jun 22, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Hindman or somebody do a fairly detailed Crawford-Borbon comp here recently?

I can’t remember where I read it, but I know I read something that compared the two.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did that on his old personal blog.

I think he revised/reposted on the inside corner.

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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kinda do

But Juan Pierre was a valuable guy for quite a while. In fact he’s pretty valuable now. And he was once traded for three pitchers, one of whom was Ricky Nolasco.

If we get 4-5 cheap years of Juan Pierre, then trade him for legit prospects and let somebody else give him the big FA deal, then it was a great value picking him in the supplemental round.

There's more to the picture than meets the eye.

by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could stand a best-case (though unlikely) scenario of Carl Crawford and reasonable scenario of Juan Pierre

Pierre was never a star, and his speed tended to overrate him as a lead-off man, but I’d take a young Juan Pierre hitting 9th in the order in front of Kinsler, Young, Hamilton, Cruz, Smoak, & Co. for a long time.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT- Here comes Tiger

Just birdied to get within 4 going into his last 4 holes and the leader just drove into the shit

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

too big to come back from

and a handful in front of him

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The field will come back to him

I think if he gets up to -3 to -4 he has a chance.

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009

by boomer1 on Jun 22, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Although he just went long on 14. Glover and Barnes are struggling big time. I think his biggest challenge would be Mickelson.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

argh

bogey

oh well.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Jun 22, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It was a huge hill to climb but until its over I will never count Tiger out

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can't believe he missed that 17th putt

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Jun 22, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe ESPN cut away from it before it switched to NBC

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are falling back

Lucas Glover can’t drop a couple?

They’ve been saying all day 3 under has a decent shot at being in a playoff. Someone will probably at least end up at -4 but its within reason at least.

Of course 2 birdies in 4 holes is a pretty tall task.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Jun 22, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

looks like phil can win now at least

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Jun 22, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit

Just eagled 13 to tie for the lead

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

for anyone wanting to trade for Josh Johnson

“The way that I think Josh needs to be valued is somewhere between Burnett’s contract and Sabathia’s contract, and probably closer to Sabathia’s,” Sosnick said. “Josh is that guy in two years.”

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 22, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ricky Nolasco.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

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by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

if there’s a tiny chance they are undervaluing Nolasco right now. On the other hand, he seemed like a candidate for major regression heading into this year and I wonder if he’s completely healthy.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The offense is frustrating right now, no doubt about it.

But they won’t be this bad much longer. We’re all a little more prone to hit the panic button because they’re in first and we’re scared to death they’ll blow it, but I think we need to tap the brakes a bit.

These are the same guys that hit well enough in April and May to build a 4.5 game lead and get to 10 games over .500, so we know they can put up runs. These guys didn’t just all forget how to hit all of the sudden. If we change a bunch of personnel now and start rushing guys to the majors because we’re convinced that guys like Byrd, Murph, AJ, etc. will never get out of their slumps, then we might as well do what the A’s did last season and just look ahead to 2010.

Davis is the most frustrating aspect of the whole mess in that you have to wonder how much longer he can take his failures at the plate and maintain some form of confidence that he’s a legitimate big league player. As much as I hate to say it, I think he needs to go to AAA and get his confidence back. When he’s at the plate you can almost see him thinking “Just don’t strike out, Chris.” That kind of mental approach is murder to a batter. As to who they call up, I don’t know that there is anybody in the minors ready to step into the starting 1B role, so you probably have to plan on Hank and AJ platooning over there, which should give Boggs some more opportunities to play. I think you bring in either a utility guy like Arias or Duran—somebody that won’t expect much playing time—to hold a spot until Hamilton gets off of the DL.

I would still like to see Kins hitting 3rd. It looks like he’s getting back into a groove and he’s the team’s best hitter. I’d stick Young in the leadoff spot and leave them that way until Hamilton returns. If Young is getting on base consistently in the leadoff role, then you move Kins up to 2nd and bat Hambone 3rd when he gets off of the DL.

If they end up winning the division, fine. If not, then we’re still on schedule to win in 2010 and haven’t sold the farm for short term help.

by Athos on Jun 22, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you, sir

you’ve brightened my day.

also agree about the lineup change, although I think I have some MY optimism in me

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering

if there is still many folks in the “CD needs to stay in the majors to work it out” camp.

Honestly, just getting him away from Rudy may be the thing thats needed with him. I wouldn’t even rule out sending him to low A or rookie ball just to get on a role, and then pull him up to AA. He just seems like he needs to not think up there.

I like Kinsler batting 3rd. I’d keep Young 2nd and have Andrus or Murphy leading off. When Ham comes back, I’d put him 4th and Cruz fifth.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

with the way CD is playing lately

he’d probably struggle his first few days in A ball.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elvis leading off...

is interesting to me. None of us thought he would be any good at the plate this year. He’s not tearing it up, but he’s holding his own. He seems to be working the count a lot more than I remember him doing last year in Frisco as well.

I don’t know if anything is really going to rattle this kid right now. If he has been able to make the jump from AA to the bigs and done well I don’t see why he couldn’t make the jump from the 9 hole to leadoff. Besides, he has had a few days in the 2 hole and done ok. Drawn a few walks and had some AB’s where he worked the count full, fouled off a few, and then lined base hits up the middle. Right now I wouldn’t mind him getting some time leading off and dropping Kinsler to the 3 hole.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 22, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check his splits

He can lead off, but only against lefties. The BB/OBP difference against lefties vs. righties is night and day.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Murphy can lead off

versus righties.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

well said, I would like to see the Andrus/Murphy leadoff with Young 2nd and Kinsler 3rd

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was

Those were heady times. My thinking was his swing looked longer than usual, and his discipline was bad, but those things could be fixed. I still think that way, but I have no confidence that it will be fixed in the majors. Also, Rudy sucks.

This organization needs to teach patience and plate discipline starting at the lowest levels. I’m so tired of first pitch hacks, and even more tired of over-aggressive swings when batters are up in the count. I’ve lost track of how many times a Ranger hitter has been up 2 and 0, and swung aggressively at the pitch regardless of its location.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Jun 22, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still an advocate of Davis in the majors

until Smoak’s ready. He’s pretty much the only option outside of a Nick Johnson trade (who still might be our DH instead of 1B to limit exposure to injury) I’d consider moving Davis down for. But I see why you want him sent down, and I am very much in agreement. So hard watching, saying, “please just ground or fly out Chris…”

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 22, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be the last one off the Davis bandwagon!

Please roll up the windows and throw the keys in the glove box when you finally get off.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 22, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey man

I’m pretty stubborn. I stick to my guns until I’m shot down. And I like driving with the windows down, even in 100 degree heat…

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 22, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You and me Sobchak

You be Thelma, I’ll be Louise.

Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador

by Parman on Jun 22, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you trying

to tell us something?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just jumped the other day

I still think/hope he’ll get it figured out but I dropped him from my fantasy team for Casey f’n Blake. How’s that? Casey Blake. I stuck with him the whole year in every way but I couldn’t do it anymore. I always thought to myself “shit, he’s going on a tear this week.”

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

im with you

theres just not enough difference btwn davis and blalock/AJ at 1b imho

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think

CD is gonna get it straightened out in the majors. I think a different hitting instructor would help him.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Whoever had him crushing the ball all of 2007-2008 needs to spend some more time with him. His minor league numbers in 2007 and 2008 both are just sick. Plus he was hitting very well in the majors last season. I don’t know what they tinkered with in the offseason and in ST, but somebody helped him get some aspect of his approach completely out of whack.

by Athos on Jun 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

something just isnt right with him one way or another

something changed, be it in the offseason or ST — your right athos

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed.

and if it effected his defense, I’d want him gone pronto. But I just would rather have him out there a LITTLE bit longer until Smoak’s ready or we bring somebody in. I’d rather not depend on a defensive combination of Hank/Andruw/Max-Ram at 1st right now…

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 22, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a new SBN baseball site:

link

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Jun 22, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks kinda like a SBN version of MLB trade rumors.

Could be pretty interesting reading around the trade deadline.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give it a big "meh"

But I’ll give it some time and check back. Almost half of the stories involve A-Rod and the Yankees and the Red Sox. I already get my fill of that on Sportscenter.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Jun 22, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's wierd to see an SBN site

with no fanposts.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

which one?

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you call Norm?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was an impulse call. Didn't have my facts straight.

Sick and tired of everyone being in a damn panic

by oc on Jun 22, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's getting hard for me to listen to Norm.

Between the sighs, the lip smacks, and the over emotional response to everything, it’s a tough thing.

I did hear part of your call, however, but I tuned out when Norm started going apeshit.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

can we get a replay of the audio?

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 22, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno, tune in to the Top 10 tonight

from 7-9pm.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OC..

Are you the guy that compared CD to the first seasons of AGon and Prince Fielder?

by Topgun22 on Jun 22, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh dear.

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Josh

talk about the great pitching duel when Barry Zito shut down the Ranger bats?

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yup

it was a no hitter

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

phil your killing me

eagle 13, bogey 15 – back by 1 at -3

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I rarely care about who wins golf tournaments

I was at the US Open playoff last year, since I work across the street and got free tickets :) But I really want Phil to win this one.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 22, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you and me both

great story

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for reminding me

I was planning on changing to my left hand. It’s good to have a masturbating savant here.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey jackass

go back to the dallas morning news

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

brillant

maybe he is from the DMN after all!!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else notice that?

Seems like there’s a banning coming.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually cancel that

hes a cubs fan

Im just a cubs fan who thinks u are all faggots bet we sweep this weekend. and

http://www.blessyouboys.com/2009/6/15/909720/the-byb-introduce-yourself-open

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

go find steve bartman

maybe he can help the cubbies turn a DP and win the game, making it to the world series

i doubt it though

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ohhhh im a faggot rangers fan

who thinks hes smart cuz i now it wasnt really bartmans fault!!! we all know that u shit monkey.

by ojdajuiceman on Jun 22, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if everyone knows that

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

remind me why everyone blamed him

lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i didnt bitch

it was alex gonzalez. remind me why the rangers will regress back to the mean and not do shit this yr

by ojdajuiceman on Jun 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

remind you why

actually if you go off historical numbers their offense has nowhere to go but up

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to who?

Mark Buehrle, circa 2005?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

buehrle is a beast.

by ojdajuiceman on Jun 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

clearly the rangers were stealing signs at home

evidenced by his 4-1, 3.62 era vs the rangers — right?

/sarcasm

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

all time what? some sort of award? I love awards.

by CS3 on Jun 22, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good, then u get the award

for biggest dildo brain, fuck off

by ojdajuiceman on Jun 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is

an award for biggest dildo brain? I’m speechless.

by CS3 on Jun 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

evidently he is presenting it -- dont you know?

hes kind of a big deal

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moneyball: The Movie

Columbia Pictures drops Moneyball.

On Friday, Columbia Pictures topper Amy Pascal placed the picture into "limited turnaround," giving the filmmaker the chance to set it up at another studio, with Warner Bros. and Paramount the prime targets.

Adam is rumored to be scouting tall bridges in the Houston area.

Moneyball

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 22, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hes a spam troll

impressive

http://www.brewcrewball.com/2009/6/22/921120/go-cubs

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

you make sharky look BRILLANT lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone ignore oj

He’s joined 12 SBN sites today. Not worth our time.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

slow day at work

sry lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colin Cowherd should never talk about baseball

He just mentioned how SF proved how important pitching is because they shut down the great Rangers hitters. Seriously, the man is clueless about baseball. Begs the question why I was listening to him. I dunno.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Cowherd

but that’s pretty poor logic

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 22, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate him when he talks about baseball

He’s decent with college football but that’s about it. The only thing he talks about is Boston and NYY. If he mentions one more time how discussing"prospects" isn’t “big boy baseball” I’m going to kill him.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read "12 Minutes in Hell with Colin Cowherd"

It’ll keep you from listening to his baseball segments altogether. And you’re better off for it.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was about to google that

But now I remember. A FJM post written by Ken Tremendous after he listened to him while driving if I recall correctly.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, who knows how long it took him to transcribe and analyze that entire segment

The best part was Cowherd’s assessment that Hall of Fame = Fame = Famous and anyone who was “talked about” a lot deserved to be in the Hall, moreso than the guy who is steadily consistent for a lot of years. In other words, Canseco needs to be in the Hall, but not Biggio. It should also be pointed out that, in his analogy for consistency, he mocked every blue collar worker who worked in the same job for a long time.

I love KT’s response:

By Cowherd’s new and excitingly dumb set of criteria, if Harold Baines had murdered Ron Kittle with a fungo bat in 1983, then buried the body, then admitted it after he (Baines) retired, and wrote a book about it, and testified in front of Congress about how he taught a bunch of people how to brain their fellow players with fungo bats, and he, Baines, got really famous for it…first ballot?

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is a complete and crushing idiot

I can’t imagine anyone would actively try to listen to him. I sometimes have my channel set to ESPN radio when I jump in my car, and the sound of his voice will inspire me to switch stations. I don’t think anyone in radio has a bigger bag of nothing.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've never heard him, but

the above post cracks me the hell up.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's very good for unintentional comedy though.

It goes without saying, he should never ever be taken seriously.

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 22, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate his college football insight

mostly because most college football insight is either boring or mind-blowingly biased, and he at least presents a level perspective of the national college scene.

Generally I don’t like him though, and his repetitive, say the same thing over-and-over again style wants me to punch the radio. He’s better than the local San Diego sports radio guys though for my AM drive to work

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 22, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by ojdajuiceman on Jun 22, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

Please remove me from this your list.

by CS3 on Jun 22, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn spam

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009

by boomer1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

regarding nexdef

found an evident answer to nexdef lag on the mlb support forums

There is typically a minute delay of the game on TV. On top of that there is about another minute delay over the Internet. In addition if you are using NexDef that adds another minute or so to stream the higher quality feeds. We are working on reducing this delay.

Remove the auto detect feature in nexdef and set a lower quality level that works best on your system as keeping it on the highest quality requires more and constant bandwidth.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I turned off nexdef

It launches a background program that eats memory, so I shut it down. Because of this mlb.tv will only show the SD broadcast. The nice side effect is the lack of game time lag, which I think ends up being worth it.

kling klang king of the rim ram room

by dustym on Jun 22, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only advantage of nextdef is the HD

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 22, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The background program launches automatically when you turn your computer on, too.

Annoying when my computer decides to download an update and automatically restart when I’ve been away from it for hours.

by Inkara1 on Jun 22, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just noticed this...

Wilson’s mailbag:

The minor league hitters the Rangers put the most stock into are at the lower levels.

New draftees? Engel? Leury? Who is he talking about?

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jun 22, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huffman
…Royce Huffman, …good defensively and gives a quality at-bat.

If that were truly the case, he would have already been called up.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 22, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the thing holding Huffman back is this

His refusal to say he would defend a teammate if said teammate beaned Huffman’s brother in a game between OKC and Portland. Very disconcerting, and I appreciate the intrepid blogger’s willingness to ask the hard questions and get answers to these important issues:

BV: Speaking of your brother, my second question. Kind of a hypothetical because I know he plays for the Portland Beavers in the PCL. I gotta ask you. It’s a situation. Let’s say he does something on the field, and it angers me when I’m on the mound.

RH: Do I have your back or his back?

BV: If I hit him and he charges, who are you helping beating the crap out of whom?

RH: That’s a tough one. Knowing Chad, if you do hit him, he won’t charge.

BV: Let’s say he does.

RH: Okay, if he does charge, I’m gonna have to get in the middle and break it up. Because I’m definitely not going to throw any blows at my teammates or my brother. So, I’m going to have to play peacemaker on that one.

BV: You’re such a (another word for cat, or a type of willow).

RH: (laughs) I know. I mean, what do you want me to do? Clock my brother or clock my teammate?

BV: That’s what I want to know. I’m trying to get to the root of this interview.

RH: Ah, (vulgar term for the physical act of love). I don’t know. I really don’t know. It depends on who hits him. If you hit him, you know… he’s, uh, I don’t know.

BV: So, if I hit him with my side-arm 86 miles per hour in the butt…

RH: He’s got a big (another term for donkey). Yeah, he’s got a huge (donkey word). It will not get to the muscle. (laughs, hysterically)

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another quote fail by me, I suck at those things

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

REC for self awareness.

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 22, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like those Beau Vaughn interviews.

I think is is out in Arizona now. Maybe he will do some with the rookies out there.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 22, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're pretty amazing

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 22, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and the new Golson one is a nice addition

Not only does he title it “ask a black guy”, but he asks Golson how it feels to be a failure when JMJ has a big league homer and Golson doesn’t.

The Daniel Bard might be my favorite, though, asking Bard how it feels to have Gammons all over his jock and then getting on the phone to Michael Bowden in the middle of the interview.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Royce deserves a chance. He can hit for contact and power

plus Pappa Huffman would be pretty stoked, and he is one of the biggest TCU boosters of all time

we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"

by eclou on Jun 22, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess he is talking about a lot of the recent LA singings

but there’s some emerging hitting talent between Bakersfield and Frisco now.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 22, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be

Albuquerque? :)

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 22, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oustanding DOD article

here.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That is a must-read

O’Day is such a stud.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good stuff.

Ian Kinsler..... yea, he's good at baseball.

by bspate on Jun 22, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what day was ron extended

it seems our losing streak/horrible horrible hitting coincides with this.

Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."

by gossamer on Jun 22, 2009 1:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fehr Steps Down!

No, rly.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hehe...weiner

"If you want to pitch numbers, go pitch at Petco. It’s as simple as that. Come here if you want to win." - Mike Maddux

by Panorama on Jun 22, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ain't rick rollin' anyone.
Don Fehr is stepping down as executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Association, a position he’s held since the mid-1980s, a source tells ESPN.

Fehr will be replaced by general counsel Michael Weiner, pending board approval, the source said.

The announcement is expected to be made later on Monday afternoon.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa

That’s huge news. Current CBA expires after the season in 2011. Hope the new guy can get his poop in a pile before then.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is a great expression.

REC.

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 22, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I would have said “shit in a sock” but oj has cussed enough for all of us.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The other way is much better, actually.

The implications are endless ..

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

O.T. iPhone

If anyone has tried the new Sirius/XM app, I would like to read your review of it.

I don’t have an iPhone, but the talk on here about the MLB app might make me get one.

"If you want to pitch numbers, go pitch at Petco. It’s as simple as that. Come here if you want to win." - Mike Maddux

by Panorama on Jun 22, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've heard the Sirius/XM app

doesn’t include some of their top level stuff like Stern, MLB, and others. I wouldn’t pay a monthly fee for that kind of app unless I get access to all of their programming.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 22, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW did anyone mention that Smoak went 3-3

2 HR, Triple vs. AZL rookies last night… if he continues this when he gets to Frisco he might be an option

by j-couch on Jun 22, 2009 2:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For no particular reason...

Neftali’s trends:

04/09
14.2 IP, 17 H, 14 BB, 14K, 1:15 G:F

05/09
23.2 IP, 18 H, 11 BB, 25 K, 1:30 G:F

06/09
22.1 IP, 24 H, 2 BB, 16 K, 1:67 G:F

And 1 HR.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jun 22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fanshot.

Er, well…

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope

you meant to put decimal points rather than colons in his G:F ratios. That would make a little bit of difference.

The trends look very nice though. The WHIP is getting much better.

It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca

by bioaggie on Jun 22, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

April to May is really nice but his WHIP didn’t improve that much from May to June while the K rate went waaay down.

To me, it almost seems like their working on things – pitch to contact and don’t worry about striking everyone out. The more I think about it, that seems to be exactly what’s going on and he’s doing it well. I’m guessing we see him with the Rangers not too long from now.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly what I asked Z in the minors thread.

Sumpin going on there…or he just figured out he doesn’t need the Ks to get outs. Dunno.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

May to June

Not uniformly good, vis a vis April to May.

But that BB rate…

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jun 22, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That seems to be the most logical explanation for things

Now that he seems to be grasping some of those other elements of his game, one would think he’s a reasonable candidate for the bullpen in the near future.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you meant to put decimal points rather than colons in his G:F ratios.

Correct! My bad.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jun 22, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: combining the bar exam and pitching prospects

I’m currently studying for the July Texas Bar Exam and just a little while ago, I had a brilliant idea (or disturbing, depending on how you want to look at it). I was trying to find a way to memorize the elements of negotiability and taking as a holder in due course for the Commercial Paper section (trust me, it’s even more entertaining than it sounds). And then it came to me: I have all this knowledge about Rangers prospects floating around in my head, why not put it to good use creating some mnemonics.

And so, after about ten minutes worth of work, I came up with these, and voila, I have the elements of negotiability and taking as a holder in due course memorized. I’ll spare you what the mnemonics abbreviate, because I doubt you’re interested in that:

Negotiability: We Saw Unbelievable Feliz, Main, & Perez Pitch No-hitters

Holder in due course: I Predict Awesome Poveda Grounder-fly & Walks

I’m not sure what this says about my priorities, my brain, or my life, but since it worked, I won’t question the madness.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're a better man than me

In Wyoming you only have to answer 12 of 14 essay questions. I decided ahead of time that if there was a commercial paper question I was skipping it. Soon as I saw the commercial transaction question I just trucked along to the next one.

By the way, if you’re not working, savor this summer. The summer I studied for the bar was the first summer I took off since I was 15. Probably the last until I’m…..dead? Great time. Splurged and bought a golf a membership so I’d go to class in the morning, golf in the afternoon, study at night then go have a cocktail and do it all over again the next day. Like a moron I took the test on Fri – Sat, moved and started work that Monday. All my other friends took long vacations before they started work. Like I said – dumb.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I wish Texas had that kind of deal on the essays, but no....

There’s 12 of them and we have to answer them all.

I’m not working, just trying to survive the bar while enjoying my life and keeping my sanity, which is a bit of a difference than some of my colleagues, I think. That’s a rough schedule you had, luckily I’m going on vacation with my parents and sisters right after the bar and then going to work mid-August or so.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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