Z on whether to promote Smoak...
Agree, especially in terms of the roster.
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I think Alvarez was promoted to AA today
by tyd3311 on Jun 22, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Richard?
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
Kidding.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What a glorious comment:
Chris Davis’ bat will not come around. He’s at (.194) and looking absolutely clueless. The only thing more pathetic on this team is Boggs (.094).
by brettgardner on Jun 22, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bwhahaha
Oh dear…
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe brett has to post over there
and actually answer their questions. sorry Z.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No doubt.
I actually read the comments. I feel so dirty now…
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DMN comments
I think my favorite one was the one where someone suggested that Davis be sent down for a few weeks to work on his hitting, then when he comes back up, that he should play third base.
I also liked the one suggesting that the Rangers could package Blalock, Jones, Teagarden, and “one of our OF” for Nick Johnson. Hell, why not throw in Feliz and Davis while you’re at it?
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Jun 22, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as
Duran is on the roster, I am not so much worried about 40 man implications. I think either he or Arias could be released from the 40 with no detriment to the organization.
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by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather due away with Bannister or Eyre before 1 of those guys
by tyd3311 on Jun 22, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
what is the downside of getting rid of Duran? He had what, one good year in the minors?
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 22, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no downside
you can find better players than him and stash them at AAA in case of emergency without devoting a 40 spot. Perfect example is in OKC right now – Esteban German, who has actually had some ML success.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I would much rather get rid of a 30 something reliever than a guy with decent upside in the IF
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had 2
He was good for a 21 y/o in high A 3 years ago and excellent for a 22 y/o in AA 2 years ago.
He spent last year bouncing back and forth between OKC and Arlington but spent most of his time playing tiddlywinks on the Rangers bench. He barely got 200 at-bats all told. He wasn’t particularly good in them but he wasn’t totally terrible either.
This year has been an abomination for just about every Redhawk position player but Duran has been the most disappointing of the whole sorry lot. Still, it’s only 100 PA. Given what he did and the potential he showed in 06 and 07 and given that he’s only had 350 some odd PA after that, I don’t think he should be given up on quite yet. Not when there’s guys like Eyre and Guardado still on the 40.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And BPH chimes in!
Post more often, old internet friend.
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by Rodney on Jun 22, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We lose Arias next year anyway if he doesn't make it as our utility guy
Hes out of options
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 40 does something... but I can't seem to remember what exactly it is...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it pours itself out
on the curb in memory of our hopes for Chris Davis this year.
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by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It rubs the lotion on its skin
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m never big on rushing prospects – I always thought that Chris Davis was rushed – and I’d rather see them take their time with Smoak and do it right rather than promoting him out of panic.
I think this statement of Z’s is wrong though
Beckham is a classmate of Smoak’s
Beckham was at Georgia, Smoak at South Carolina. I do think Smoak went to high school with Matt Wieters.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 22, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh
just realized Z mean classmates as in 2008 draft class; nothing to do with college. My bad.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 22, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how dare you question the Z
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mess with the Zebra, you get the Cakes.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The term “Johnny Wholestaff” refers to a pitching staff with a collection of ace-level arms, and just such a group — a trio [Kasey Kiker, Blake Beavan, and .. Thomas Diamond(?)], rather — exists in the Rangers’ Double-A affiliate in Frisco.
by tyd3311 on Jun 22, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I always thought "Johnny Wholestaff" meant using a collection of relievers, rather than a starter, from beginning to end of a game
At least, that’s what it means in college baseball.
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by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like a porno name to me
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jun 23, 2009 5:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha, never thought about that, but you make a good point...
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jonny Hole Staff
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to have been edited?
Johnny Wholestaff is a term given to pitching staffs that don’t rely on a set rotation but rather a collection of arms. The Rangers Double-A affiliate in Frisco boasts three of those former first-round picks — Diamond, Kiker and Beavan.
I think this is the first I’ve read of Pauling’s stuff ~ it’s not very good, I’m afraid.
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by Snark on Jun 22, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that leaves us with Nick Johnson as our only hope
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just asking, what's a realistic package for Johnson?
Norm seems to think Tommy Hunter + _________ gets it done
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't
Tommy Gun be enough, maybe add a Christian Santana or something
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cristian Santana has no value right now
Tommy Hunter would need to be the second best prospect we sent over there for Washington to return the call.
If Norm thinks Hunter + a throw-in gets it done, I have to assume he’s been digging around in whatever Greggo left behind.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 22, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
drugs get a bad rap
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 22, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's a poor trade proposal if I've ever heard one
Why don’t we just make Hunter the centerpiece and add Brian Gordon, German Duran, and Adam Fox on the “quantity always makes a team feel better about the return!” principle.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
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by WestTxAg06 on Jun 22, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...the point I failed to make with Norm this morning.
Tommy Hunter is not the first return for Nick Johnson.
Seeing as how they are in the cellar in almost every NL pitching category, I see the Nats demands being a solid starting pitcher that’s either a) ready to plug into their rotation (Feldman?) or b) doing cartwheels at Double-AA (I guess someone like Beavan)
Or I guess a starter that’s far off (Main) and a bullpen arm (Hunter).
I dunno… searching here
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because if there's one thing the Nats need, it's more outfielders
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forget Bowden is gone
If he wasn’t, there is no doubt Golson would be on his radar.
by tyd3311 on Jun 22, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put Golson in center, move Lastings to right and put Dunn at first!
The Nats could still field an all-outfield line-up!
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Outstanding.
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by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Green
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but if the return is Feldman, Beavan, or Main...
It’s not worth it at all, is it?
by N41D on Jun 22, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely not.
Which is why I’m of the opinion we all need to calm the funk down
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think the return package would be something similar to what we got for Eric Gagne
by tyd3311 on Jun 22, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what would that be?
Boggs or Golson, AJ Murry, and Engel Beltre or Mitch Moreland or Tim Smith?
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what do you think his value is then?
I dont think there will be a big market for Johnson, I think the Nats will get rid of him, and I think if we wait till July31 then we could get him for a Tommy Hunter+ throw in, as a matter of fact why would you give up a guy like Hunter who could be here right now and contribute. Who exactly would we be competing against for Johnson? none of the AL central or East maybe Seattle?MAYBE San Fran? not the Dodgers or Rockies, maybe the Mets? I just dont see a big market for him
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
I dont think there will be a big market for Johnson,
Off the top of my head, I think you could point to Boston, Detroit, Texas, San Fran, and the Mets as teams that would seem to be candidates.
And other teams may emerge between now and then.
And on July 31, Johnson may be done for the year.
I don’t know…I bet if the Nats called around and said to Boston and san Fran and some other teams, “We’re about to deal Nick Johnson for Tommy Hunter and John Bannister,” Boston or San Fran or someone else would trump that offer.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 22, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would
Detroit or Boston do with him, do you think that Boston would deal Masterson and other B level prospect for a guy that would sit there bench the majority of the time? same situation with Detroit, where would Johnson play in Detroit? San Fran maybe but do you think the Nats would rather have Hunter and Bannister or Sanchez?
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson would DH for the Tigers, ldo
He’d be a massive upgrade at DH over the assorted lot of mediocrities the Tigers currently use at DH.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and where
would Guillen go when he came back?
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a huge if at this point.
I don’t much think he’s back this year.
And if he’s healthy enough to swing a bat but not throw in the OF, then he’s probably not really healthy enough to swing a bat, imo.
His shoulder is pretty effed.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt realize his injury
was that bad, so what do you think they will do with Magg’s
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully sit him enough so that that contract extension doesn't kick in, right?
I think that’s what they’re going for right now.
From what I heard he’s around 200+ PA’s away from having those team options lock in and become guaranteed.
If I were them I’d be doing everything possible to bench his ass.
He’s not playing well and he’s making an assload of dollars.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on this boss. Makes no sense for the Nats to entertain deals now.
They’ll sit back, let Johnson pump-up his trade-value… couple of teams will start gearing up for stretch runs… they’ll get a bidding war started… one of the forementioned teams offers up their No. 3/No. 4 prospect… and sell high
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers
Clearly would, or at least should, be very interested in picking up Nick Johnson for the remainder of 09 since he’s a massive short-term upgrade over Loney.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not an upgrade over Loney sorry
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
care to explain...
…how a good fielding 1B who hits .321/.430/.453 isn’t an upgrade over a good fielding 1B who hits .279/.343/.383
Johnson’s not just a mild upgrade over the wildly overrated Loney right now – he’s a massive upgrade over him.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
ok Loney currently has a UZR of -.7
and Johnson’s is -5.9 thats going from an Avg. 1st baseman to a TERRIBLE one
which I dont think would make up for the minor offensive upgrade he would be in the long run (by long run I mean whole season) not to mention the fact that on July 3rd that whole Dodgers lineup will get better
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair Loney's a much better defender, doesn't have the same sort of omnipresent injury concerns and wouldn't cost them a thing in terms of prospects or dollars right now.
I agree Johnson would be an upgrade over Loney (who hasn’t progresses well with the stick at all), but I doubt the Dodgers would make that move right now.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson's omnipresent injury concerns
are something that whoever considers signing him to a long-term deal as a FA next year should give heavy consideration to.
I don’t see it as a big concern for anyone trading for him this year purely as a rent-a-player for 3 months. He’s started all but one game this year and has been excellent.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn't make sense
I mean if a guy average’s 400 PA’s a year and he has already gotten 350 what would make you expect anymore than 50 to 100 more, if you’re going on statistics your point is exactly backwards, true?
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh...no
because normally by this point in the season, he’s already made a trip or 2 to the DL or has at least had to miss games due to a fractured or sprained something or other.
But this year, he’s missed one game due to a stomach flu and that’s it. He’s been totally healthy for nearly a full half season.
The back injury that plagued him throughout his early career has apparently been fixed well enough that it no longer bothers him or causes him to miss games. The freakish leg injury that wiped out his entire 2007 season obviously was a fluke that could’ve happened to anyone and clearly has healed and isn’t a concern going forward.
The wrist injury that caused him to bounce back and forth between active and DL last year apparently isn’t hindering him at all this year. So my point is that since he’s managed to stay healthy throughout the entire first half and isn’t missing games with little nagging injuries anymore, isn’t there at least some cause to believe that Nick Johnson is now more likely to be able to maintain good health for the 2nd half of the 2009?
You can’t just look at his average number of PA per year and say “oh, he’s already closing in on his average # of PA/year so he’s due to be injured.” It doesn’t work that way. if Nick Johnson hasonly averaged 400 PA per year it’s because he’s previously been plagued with various breaks/fractures/back issues requiring periodic 15 day DL stints, nagging/lingering injuries causing him to have to miss multiple games in a row from time to time even when active, and one entire missed season from a freak injury. This season, however, he’s not experiencing any of that stuff. He’s played (virtually) every day for 67 games with no injury concerns whatsoever.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever dude
what guy do you know that has 5-7 years of consistent injuries (which it seems like everyone is “fluke”) and then went on to have A solid 1,2, or 3 year stretch that he was totally healthy? it has to do with pain tolerance, and this isn’t really a dig at Johnson but if Michael Young had his back injury last year he probably would have played through it, also it has to do with keeping your self in Top professional athlete shape, I fully believe that Millwood would have already been on the DL twice with this workload last year, but he is in real shape
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson's defense
He’s not a Giambi-esque statue. He actually plays good defense even though he looks chubby and stiff.
The number of added runs saved by virtueof Loney’s better defense at 1B is miniscule compared to the number of added runs scored Johnson’s bat provides the offense over Loney’s right now.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that, but
I do not agree that he is enough of an upgrade to justify the cost in talent traded to get him. I think LAD adds a pitcher. They’ve got Manny coming back soon, I think they’ll consider him their bat acquisition.
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by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we took back all of his salary it sure would be.
If we expected for them to kick in some (or even most of the) cash, then you’re damn right T-Hun wouldn’t be enough.
Engel Beltre + Tommy Hunter + Beau Jones, maybe.
A lottery ticket, one nearly ready LAIE-y arm and interesting lefty relief prospect.
Who knows what they’d want, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and really
I don’t like giving up Hunter for a year of Johnson, I’m not really convinced he would make this team that much better
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell no
If the _________ in Hunter + __________ = Neftali Feliz then maybe.
Hunter + some random minor leaguer probably isn’t even as valuable as the compensatory pick(s) the Nats would get if they just held onto him, offered him FA arbitration (which they would because he’s currently way underpaid) and he declined (which he would for the same reason) and signed elsewhere.
Johnson’s been healthy this year and has a .430 OBP. He’s cheap (whoever trades for him will only owe him less than 3M for his services for the rest of 09) and whoever trades for him knows that if they don’t re-sign him, they’ll get back a compensatory pick (or 2?) in next year’s draft. Guys with .430 OBPs don’t exactly grow on trees these days and there are numerous contending teams which would massively improve themselves at 1B or DH by obtaining Johnson. Texas, SF, Boston, Minnesota (NJ at DH, Cue Ball to LF, Delmon to bench) and the Dodgers all should be heavily interested in Johnson since he would represent a massive upgrade at 1B or DH for all of em.
Nick Johnson should have considerable trade value right now.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox
With David Ortiz rounding back into form this month, the Red Sox actually probably aren’t players for him anymore.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
so when did a first rounder that made it to the big leagues in less than a year become such a shitty trade commodity, I’m not confusing Hunter and someone like Feliz but Hunter DOES have value, why do we undervalue our young guys so much in trade scenarios
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are right
he does have value however I think many teams would see him as a fringe 4/5 guy. Remember if he ends up being that type of guy that pick was successful where he was picked.
by Michael Cave on Jun 22, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
or even a 8th or 9th inning guy, I understand the camp that would like to go a head and put Feliz in the bullpen, but I don’t understand why nobody thinks Hunter could be that guy for us? I know I’m coming off as a huge Hunter fan and I like the guy but I’m not a Hunter homey or anything just think he is undervalued in this situation
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best thing I've heard about Hunter is that he sucks up innings
Seems like he’d be better suited for a long-relief role or as a starter in the back of someone’s rotation
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is his lack of a good change-up
Something that could be hidden if he were in a middle relief/set-up man type role. If he develops that offspeed pitch, he’s could be to useful as a innings eating back of the rotation guy to just stick in the bullpen.
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by Gdawg on Jun 22, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter
I didn’t say he was a shitty trade commodity but he’s certainly not an eliteprospect and certainly not enough to get Johnson especially when you consider the fact that whoever trades for Johnson will presumably get back a sammich round compensatory pick in the 2010 draft, just like the one the Rangers used a couple years ago to draft Tommy Hunter himself.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sandwich round pick
will cost $1M+ and will need some time to be developed to the point of being near ML ready, as Hunter is now.
I think Tommy Hunter has quite a bit more value than a sandwich round pick in next year’s draft for those 2 reasons.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying...
that the Rangers should decline any sandwich round compensatory picks they’re entitled to due to players lost to FA because they’ll have to pay whoever they take $1M? How is that relevant to anything? The fact that they’d have to give the player they took with that pick the going rate for signing a player of his caliber doesn’t de-value the value of the pick itself.
And the Rangers could presumably use such a pick to draft a college pitcher of similar ilk to Hunter, with about the same projectability as Hunter currently has, just like they did when they used such a pick to actually draft Hunter.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not saying that
Read the second sentence dude.
I’m saying that Tommy Hunter, or a player like him, is more valuable than a compensatory pick in next years draft.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily
I’m not sure that Tommy Hunter, who currently projects to have a ceiling as a 4/5 starter in the majors, has as much value to an organization like the Rangers as a 2010 1st round sandwich pick has.
The easy way to look at this is: Would you trade Tommy Hunter for Tyler Scheppers if Scheppers was in another organization. I imagine some people would say yes and some would say no. The fact that it’s even a tough call is sufficient evidence that the value of the pick alone is at least somewhere close to the value of Hunter.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine anyone outside of T-Hun's very close friends and family would think twice about trading Tommy Hunter for Tanner Scheppers.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about from the POV of Washington. I think they would rather have Tommy Hunter than a 30ish pick in next years draft.
I’m not communicating well tonight.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Hunter is closer to the majors than a player that would be picked in next years draft, and there is value in that.
Tommy Hunter has already been paid his bonus, and for a team tlike the Nationals, there is value in that.
All I’m saying is that Hunter is more valuable than a sandwich pick in next year’s draft.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if your sandwich pick is a guy like Tanner Scheppers?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you say that?
We didn’t think until the day of the draft that we had a shot at Scheppers in the supplemental round. You never know who may or may not be there at that pick
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Probably" != "You never know"
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
by Snark on Jun 22, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about you do some research
How many BA top 10 prospects have been taken with a supplemental pick?
by tyd3311 on Jun 22, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many guys drafted in the supplemental round have made the majors?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why use Tanner Scheppers as your example?
by tyd3311 on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because tricer said Hunter has more value than a sandwich pick next year
With our farm system I don’t agree. We can afford to give up fringe guys like Hunter and risk it on a high draft pick then next year. If we hit and get a guy like Scheppers then great. If not and we get a dud have we really lost all that much? I don’t think so
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretend your the Nats GM
would you rather have Hunter and Vallejo, or an extra pick in the 30s in next years draft?
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
point being
it wouldn’t be hard for us to give them a deal that would be preferable to the comp picks. Now if some other team would beat that offer is a better question.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DO the Nats need Vallejo?
If so then I want both of them. But I fail to see how thats relevant. The Nats are not in the same position the Rangers are. The Rangers have a plethora of prospects. We can afford to lose a guy like Tommy Hunter and risk drafting a supplemental draft pick. If that guy fails we haven’t really hurt ourselves much.
The Nats need all the talent and young players they can get. SO if I was them I would want two guys I could project into my major league team starting in 2010 rather than take a risk on a supplemental draft pick
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
your last paragraph is exactly what I’ve been trying to say, apparently ineffectively.
Someone said that Washington wouldn’t deal Johnson for a couple guys like Hunter, because they would just keep him and take those comp picks. My response was that Hunter would be more valuable to Washington than a comp pick.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude your logic is bad
you can’t just start giving away top 25 organizational prospects for stop gap guys that probably don’t make a big difference because you think, Hey I can just draft another one next year, thats not how good organizations are built, how many Nick Johnson’s have Atlanta, Minnesota, Oakland traded for? and don’t give me Teixera b/c that was an aboration and only happened b/c the GM retired
by blueballlefty on Jun 23, 2009 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes you can
That’s what’s so nice about having so much depth in the farm system right now. You can afford to give up a couple of pretty good, 2nd tier prospects for a rent-a-player like Johnson when the difference between Johnson and the guy he would replace is as massive as it is. The difference between having Nick Johnson for the 2nd half vs. going on with Davis is big enough that it could quite literally mean the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs.
by brianphayes on Jun 23, 2009 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not
a good formula for long term success in the minors, sometimes those 2nd tier prospects turn into, Scott Feldman and Travis Hafner etc….
by blueballlefty on Jun 23, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it's a good risk to take
if you believe you’re getting the right guy, and you think you have quite a few guys who could be Feldman, Hafner, etc.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you want to be like the Angels and hold onto all our prospects
Prospects don’t always turn out like you hope. The top ones are alot easier to project but even they don’t reach their ceiling. The mid tier guys are way too hit or miss to complain about giving one up to get such a massive upgrade, even if it is short term.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
I would like to be like the Angels and when I do trade prospects get someone back like Teixera and not like Johnson
by blueballlefty on Jun 23, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you realize how many deals they suppposedly passed up over the years because they didn't want to give up their prospects?
To get a Teixeira its gonna take top prospects. Those are harder to replenish.
But if you can get Nick Johnson for a smorgasborg of mid level prospects you do it. You can replace fringe 4/5 starter type prospects and utility IF prospects.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have...
…the better offer for Johnson that I received from the Twins or Giants or Tigers. Yeah, Hunter and Vallejo may have more value to the Nats than what they’d get for Johnson if they just kept him. But they’re not just going to keep him and Texas is not going to be Johnson’s only suitor. He’s almost certainly going to be traded. There’s going to be competition between multiple teams for his services. It’s going to take more than Hunter and Vallejo to get a cheap, .430 OBP, type A/B FA to be rent-a-player the caliber of Nick Johnson.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins have a long history of NOT making these type trades, so I’d be very surprised if they move significant farm assets for a rent a player.
The Giants are on the very periphery of the playoff race and I expect them to fall further back. I’d be very surprised if they are buyers at the deadline.
The Tigers make a lot of sense, and I’m not overly familiar with their farm system, but from what I know they would probably be dealing a top 5 prospect and a top 10 prospect in their organization to make an offer that would beat Hunter and Vallejo.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 23, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to a point... but I also think that offering N-Joh arb and having him decline it is not a sure thing.
This market is gonna be severely depressed this Winter.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him accept arb and end up getting 8 or 9 or even 10mm in a hearing if he wanted to push it that far.
I think he runs a real risk of being screwed if he tries his luck on the open market.
He’s a great hitter, but he’s really only useful as a DH (he’s a below average 1b, but really he needs to be DH’d for health reasons more than bad defense) and his borderline comical injury history.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again, the Cubs gave Milton Bradley $30 million for 3 years this off-season.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
by Snark on Jun 22, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but that was a rather insane aberration.
Who knows what the Cubs were thinking.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
On the other hand, I’ve learned never to underestimate the probability of 1 among 29 making a rather insane decision about a free agent…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
by Snark on Jun 22, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I were N-Joh and got offered arb coming off a season like this, I'd be mighty tempted to take it.
I’d have visions of the tortuous limbo guys like Abreu and Burrell went through trying to find jobs this winter.
And if he’s a type-A? Forget about it. He re-signs for sure. A middle of the road FA getting the type-A tag is like a kiss of death these days. “You mean I get to give you a big contract in a horrible baseball econmic climate and I get to give up a high draft pick!? Where do I sign!!!!”
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by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it,
the more I think you’re right ~ especially if he’s a Type A. I wonder if the Cubs didn’t get so excited by the fact that Bradley was not a Type A that they brain-locked into signing him.
“Sure, it’s insane to give Bradley 3 years at $30 million, but at least he doesn’t cost us a draft pick…”
By the way, Johnson’s agent’s name is Rex Gary.
Seriously.
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by Snark on Jun 22, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
After watching the Juan Cruz debacle last winter I think alot of guys and teams will think long and hard about arbitration this winter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
if he accepts arbitration then you’ve got a great 1 year stopgap at 1B/DH to replace the inferior Blalock and you’ve still got the option of utilizing either Smoak or Davis as a key component in a trade for either an outfielder or a pitcher.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and..
he’s only making 5.5M this year so even if he accepts arbitration, he’s still going to be a bargain.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you figure?
He will likely ask for 10 mil per in arbitration and probably get it
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be unprecedented
A nearly 100% raise in FA arbitration, wouldn’t it?
Not to mention highly unlikely under the economy as it currently exists.
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Im sure Johnson will use Bradleys 10 mil per as his outline. I imagine the other team would offer 7 or 8 and they would settle on about 9 mil. But its gonna be well above the 5.5 hes making currently
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's not how...
…FA arbitration works. If Nick Johnson chooses to accept the Rangers offer of FA salary arbitration, he does so knowing that the tradeoff is that he specifically forgoes his right to offer his services to the highest bidder in exchange for the security of a guaranteed contract from one team and one team alone. He has no leverage. Therefore he cannot use the example of a FA contract negotiated in an open market like Bradley’s as his outline.
By agreeing to the arbitration, he agrees to allow the arbitrator to determine whether the team’s submitted proposed salary or his agent’s submitted proposed salary for 2010 is more appropriate. The team will almost surely offer him a slight increase over his 5.5M 2009 salary. If Johnson’s agent goes way above that then you can be fairly certain, given the economy, that the arbitrator’s going to side with the “reasonable increase” offered by the team no matter what kind of season Nick Johnson is coming off of. And it’s not like the arbitrator has the discretion to choose a salary that splits the difference. He has to pick either one or the other,
by brianphayes on Jun 22, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say that I think you are wrong...
…but then I remembered that (unless I’m mistaken) you’ve actually done work preparing for baseball arbitration cases, and thus know more about this than the rest of us do.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 22, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your telling me
that your ready to trade a guy that could step in next year and be our 4th or 5th starter or 8th inning guy for a year of a guy that plays one of the most stacked positions in our system?
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter and Johnson
I’m not clamoring to bench Davis, add Johnson, or anything like that…
However, if the Nats would trade Johnson for Hunter right now, that’s a slam-dunk…you make that trade, with the only caveat being that you have to be afraid that he’s hurt if they are letting him go so cheap.
Tommy Hunter is a middling prospect who is close to the majors, has a good chance of sticking around and throwing a few hundred major league innings, but isn’t likely to be an impact guy.
If a mediocre #4/#5 starter or a middle reliever gets the Nats’ pulse racing, then yeah, they’d probably be all about dealing Johnson for Hunter.
But I think you are being naive if you think no other team out there would trump that deal.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 22, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do agree
that they wouldn’t do that deal now (unless they are scared of Johnson getting hurt) but I don’t think we should do a deal right now either unless its a deal that could help us now and next year, but I do think if Johnson is a Nat on 7-31 then they would be all over Hunter
by blueballlefty on Jun 23, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not really sure if you thought this through
as others have said, those picks cost money and sometimes, they are barely worth their cost. Also, you have to factor in if the Nats would even offer Arbitration considering how often Nick is hurt and he has a rathe hefty contract as is. With his #‘s he has now, im not sure if he’d get any kind of salary cut in arb and the Nats would have to take an 11 million dollar gamble that he’d say no to their Arb offer… Its just really not that great of an option for the Nats to hold onto him and hopefully end up with comp picks
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by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson is Rich Harden the Hitter.
Compare and contrast what LAA paid for Teixeira last year.
Tommy Hunter + is a realistic offer, but that second piece has to be better than Hunter. Not much better, but better.
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by hightowersmith on Jun 22, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotchman/Marek ≈ _______/Hunter
Let’s remember Johnson is no Teixeira
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s remember Johnson is no Teixeira
Exactly my point.
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by hightowersmith on Jun 22, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's going to happen, don't you...
The Rangers will send Davis down. He’ll regain his form at the plate and the Nationals will be asking for him in late July
The Rangers will deal him and win down the stretch with a 1B/DH trio of Johnson, Blalock and Smoak. Johnson will have a career year.
The Rangers, having installed Smoak as their everday first-baseman in 2010 will seek to extend Johnson as their OBP-DH-type.
Johnson will go on the DL once in 2010, but otherwise have an outstanding season as he and Hamilton will lead the Rangers to the promised land.
In 2011, he will break his back in Spring Training.
by oc on Jun 23, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
way to lead me into a comedic end.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Ryin A on Jun 23, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else are we getting for Davis?
Too bad they dont have a good bullpen arm, not one god dammed bullpen arm.
by tyd3311 on Jun 23, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanrahan's supposed to be pretty good.
His ERA this year is ugly (6.61) but his FIP (3.64) is dramatically lower and his .431 BABIP suggests he’s due for some positive regression. And of course he K’s over a guy per inning and is actually rocking a career-low BB/9 so far this year.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Hanhrahan in our bullpen
I’m guessing he wouldn’t sport a 6.61 ERA in front of our defense. That defense behind him in WAS is abhorrent.
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by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what is it
Arias? Moreland? then OK, but if it is MaxRam then NO thanks
by blueballlefty on Jun 22, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess Ramirez is closer to the asking price than Arias or Moreland.
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by Snark on Jun 22, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks?
You wouldn’t trade a guy who hasn’t hit above AA and who has no real position on the big league club for a guy who could potentially help us get to the playoffs this year?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no position on the big league club for Max?
who is the DH next year?
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis or Smoak
With the other playing 1B
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're assuming Davis can hit major league pitching...
by tyd3311 on Jun 22, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have faith in the long run
I think he needs to be sent down right now but long term he will be fine
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd do Hunter and Ramirez for Johnson?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
by Snark on Jun 22, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, why not
Although I’d rather do Hunter/Teagarden.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nationals don’t need a catcher guys
Rizzo said he believes that Flores’ replacements, Wil Nieves and Josh Bard, are sufficient, and he has no plans to seek reinforcements from outside the organization.
“Nieves and Josh Bard are a good piece to our ballclub. They’re guys we can rely on,” Rizzo said. “They don’t have the productivity of Jesus, but they’re guys we can rely on.”
He’ll probably be out for the season, but until he went down Flores was the anchor of that ballclub. Only 24… likely their catcher going forward
by oc on Jun 22, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd make that trade
Do the Nationals make that trade though? Ramirez has been slightly better as of late, but he is still playing poorly.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Jun 22, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, even forgetting that they don't need a catcher long-term, as OC pointed out
Hunter/Max or Hunter/Tea seems like we’d be getting off fairly easy.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK then
why not Hunter/Salty, I love what Salty’s doing behind the plate but he hasn’t hit major league pitching yet either, and he has had a much bigger sample size than Tea or MaxRam
by blueballlefty on Jun 23, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd refuse to trade Ramirez and Hunter for Johnson
but you’d trade Saltalamacchia and Hunter for Johnson?
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by Snark on Jun 23, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't include...
any of the 3 catchers for Johnson.
If I’m dealing away any of the catchers I want pitching in return. Not another 1B/DH type who can’t stay healthy.
I think people here are in love with Johnson way too much.
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by slc ranger on Jun 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of our catchers are gonna bring back the kind of pitching we need
unless they are part of a bigger package that would also have to include our own top pitching prospects.
If we could trade max for Johnson we should jump all over it
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think anyone...
of those catchers should be able to land a good bullpen arm.
I have no interest in Johnson.
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by slc ranger on Jun 23, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need Johnson more than we need a good bullpen arm
With Frankie coming back and possibly Feliz being used out of the pen later in the year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not what I was going for
my point was really that I wouldn’t do any of them and that none of there trade value is really higher than the other two right now
by blueballlefty on Jun 23, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Z for now
I’m as a big a fan of CD as anyone but 1) right now, he’s sucking; 2) there’s isn’t anything better right now; 3) service time/FA issues.
I still think CD bounces back either in MLB or AAA. Then the Rangers will have a pleasant conundrum – what to do with the extra first-baseman? I say “pleasant” but I know everyone here will rend their clothing at the question.
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by WyoRanger on Jun 22, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
way way way off topic
I need some blog help. There is a theory in the blog world that during an argument someone brings up Hitler. It is generally accepted that the first to do that is the loser. Does anyone know the name of the Theory? Thanks in advance.
doots
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Jun 22, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
x
it is called Godwins Law. Thanks someone else answered it.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Jun 22, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers version of Godwin's Law
Replace Hitler with John Danks or Chris Young.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 22, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Young?
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by AirJordan on Jun 22, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tall one.
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by ivysafety39 on Jun 23, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers shul'nt hev tread ed Chris young
I will nerfvor forgive the s tem for doing tha t
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
id say thats the big reason
for not calling up smoak right now is the 40 spot and service time
and i do think davis needs to be sent down now, last year he could hit fastballs but this year pitchers are getting him out on fastballs right now as much as any throw away pitch in the dirt, it’s astonishing.
only thing i’ll miss is his defense but right now he clearly isnt right, but i also am not sure if id sell the farm for a guy like johnson, though he’d certainly help the lineup
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by studcrackers on Jun 22, 2009 8:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There shouldn't be any service time issues here
Unless the rangers plan on Longoria-ing him next season then it doesn’t matter if you bring him up now or wait till August you still have him for the next 6 seasons after this one. And he wouldn’t be a super-2 so thats not a concern.
The only concern is the 40 spot. Not necessarily finding one for him now but how it affects things this offseason. That is a concern but i think we could get by doing it.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok thanks
im still not completely sure about service time etc… but i figured that it might not be a big deal but man im going to be really curious in these next few years to see what players we’re going to lose to rule V picks b/c of our system
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by studcrackers on Jun 22, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should be fine this year
Its 2010 and beyond where it looks to get real crowded.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 22, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really disagree on this 40 thing
i think almost no matter what, someone is gonna get a 40 spot before the season is out to play for the Rangers at 1B… we have alot of extra fat that really isnt that great on the 40.
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by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive turned around
a bit on the Smoak issue. I used to be for bringing up but the more i think about the more that I believe that Chris Davis was rushed. I know they are not the same hitter but it would have been nice to give CD some more time in AAA. That being said, CD needs to go down to AAA right now. I think that every at bat he has right now in the Majors is counterproductive. Just because he is demoted doesnt mean he is done either.
Keep Smoak in AA. Keep CD in AAA unless he really turns it on down there. Hell if Nelson Cruz can make an adjustment then so can Davis. Make a run at Huff, LaRoche, or Johnson. I think if you do bring up a hitter this year from the minors it should/will probably be Borbon.
by Michael Cave on Jun 22, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bringing someone up
if you bring up a hitter from the minors right now to replace Davis, it really ought to be Steve German.
Sad as it sounds, Steve German is probably the best candidate the Rangers currently have to play 1B against LHPs.
by brianphayes on Jun 23, 2009 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
German is not a firstbaseman
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pffft
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by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
1 for 1 with an rbi so far tonight in AZ
by shroomer on Jun 22, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's such a slacker.
No extra bases.
Alvarez unscathed through his first Stateside inning.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jun 22, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off of Jeff Zimmerman, by the way.
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by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 degrees of separation....
That’s kinda cool.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Jun 22, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirkman, Strop, Diamond
walk the freaking world. 10 bb in 6 ip for that trio.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 22, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jun 22, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's minor league games
since there doesn’t seem to be a thread…
Anyone know why Pina came out early? Gradoville ran for him in the 4th and caught the rest of the way. Kirkman kind of sucked tonight.
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by t ball on Jun 22, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pina must be getting called up to replace Davis at first base
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or part of the package
for Johnson.
I kid.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Jun 22, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight
I am a Rockies fan. That is all.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
I'm an Andrus-caliber catch. :-)
by baseballismyboyfriend on Jun 22, 2009 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And for the next three nights as well
Sure would be nice if the Rox could cool the Angels off.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 22, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if the Diamondbacks could help get the Rangers going
Am I getting too greedy????
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
I'm an Andrus-caliber catch. :-)
by baseballismyboyfriend on Jun 22, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we don't wanna beat the D-Backs up too bad, because they play the Angels this weekend
But we’d better get the bats going before next Monday. Two series with the Angels in the next two weeks, one at home, one away. Those are the games we can’t afford to suck in.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
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