Tuesday a.m. Rangers stuff
Remarkably, the Rangers are still alone in first place today...it seemed like folks were resigned to the Angels beating Colorado and pulling into a tie for first last night, but the Rockies won, 11-1, and thus the Rangers are still a game up on Anaheim.
Anthony Andro says that the Rangers made a couple of nice claims when they grabbed Darren O'Day and Jason Grilli off of waivers.
Jeff (the writer) Miller has a good, in-depth feature on O'Day, and how he went from a failed walk-on at the University of Florida to a key piece of a playoff contender's bullpen.
Richard Durrett runs down some positives about the Rangers right now, amidst a sea of negativity.
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when this offense starts hitting again
we can still win this division… I still think an 85-87 win team will have every chance to win this division
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think LAA is better than that
I’m not sure where the conventional wisdom that the AL West was so bad no team would win 90 games came from, but I don’t agree with it. The Angels are not a bad team. They aren’t a 100 win team, but they can easily win 90.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
they may be struggling to get to 90.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to agree with that.
They overshot their pythag for what, 4 straight years? Regression is madly searching for them.
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Ervin Santana
just went back on the DL
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jun 23, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they wont win 90... id almost guarantee that
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you so sure?
The Angels have played just over 500 baseball to this point, and I really can’t see them playing any worse. Their bullpen has been historically bad, and it probably shouldn’t be that bad (just like the Rangers offense shouldn’t be this awful). And as for Rodney’s point above that they always outperform Pythag so are due for a regression, that isn’t how things work. If every season is independent, and record-to-pythag is pure luck, then “regression” is only 50% likely, regardless of past trends.
I’m probably wrong to say “easily” win 90, but I would give it over a 50% shot that the Angels finish with 90 wins, and probably over a 75% shot that the winner of the division has over 90 wins. Good teams pull away from mediocre teams at the deadlines, because mediocre teams are trading away players and good teams are acquiring them. Both the Angels and Rangers, if in contention, will be playing teams in September who are just playing kids.
(and I know that I’m siding with Josey yet again…)
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see your logic.
I will stick with my 85-89 win plateau however.
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be a 90 win team...
…the Angels would have to play at a 93-win clip the rest of the way.
Not impossible, but not a slam dunk, either.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 23, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Rangers would have to win
at about a 91 win pace, certainly not impossible, either. The head to head games late in the season will most certainly be meaningful this year.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers have pretty much played like a 90 win team
up until the last week or two, they were on pace for something in the high 90s, which is
I still think there could be some change of the shape of the distribution of records over the season, which would probably amount to a pretty interesting historical study. Obviously early in the year, you’ll have strange things (lots of teams on pace for over 100 wins or 100 losses), which will settle down as sample sizes get bigger.
But how predictive overall are records at the ASB? 100 games isn’t that much smaller a statistical sample than 162. Obviously there would some correlation of pre-and post-ASB records, but does one tend to over or under predict the other?
I have no idea. Maybe if I get bored and feel like figuring out how to parse retrosheet data into Matlab one day.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
first line should finish “too high for this team”
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you figure out how to parse Retrosheet into MATLAB
Let me know — I’d be all over that, I’m just too lazy to work it out myself.
by Trickman on Jun 23, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've done it before with individual players game logs
but it is horribly inefficient code, and their framework just isn’t intuitive to me. If I got paid to analyze baseball data I’d probably do it and could do some cool stuff with the data, but alas… I don’t.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Matlab?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
by Snark on Jun 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because once I have data in Matlab
I can do just about anything with it. Amazing program.
Pretty much all of my work is based in Matlab.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matlab
Is amazing for statistical and mathematical analysis.
I’ve got the C# and SQL addins that allow alot of data manipulation, but again — baseball isn’t my day job so I don’t really have the time to put the effort into pushing data into it.
My company has been converting our old Excel-based algorithms into Matlab for more powerful statistical stuff (generalized least squares vs ordinary least squares, etc)
by Trickman on Jun 23, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious, what kind of work do you do and what's your educational background?
One of my hobbies (as soon as I pass the bar) is to improve my proficiency at Excel data manipulation. I’m better than average, but there’s a lot of things I’d like to be able to do that I don’t know how.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
I’ve only used Matlab a bit, and never for statistical analysis. The language struck me as rather difficult. After having used R, SAS, and Stata for some stats work, though, I prefer R ~ and the language there isn’t intuitive by any stretch of the imagination. It makes sense that you’d use Matlab if you already have and know it, though…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
by Snark on Jun 23, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matlab vs Stata
I prefer Stata for straight statistical analysis (I used it before Matlab), but Matlab is more flexible.
R is very similar to Matlab, and we had considered using R here — but Matlab (being expensive as opposed to being free) has much easier to use documentation and a nice interface..
Whereas R (my experience) was very difficult to find clear and easy instructions for those just beginning with the language.
by Trickman on Jun 23, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to check Matlab out, if I get an opportunity.
R is definitely a headache to learn ~ very steep learning curve. But, as you wrote, free, which is nice.
I agree about Stata being very well suited for more straightforward work. And although I didn’t enjoy using it, SAS seems to have some advantages in terms of working with data sets and such (though my SAS skills are wanting).
There are purportedly other open-source stats packages out there ~ some based on Python, I think? Not sure what those are capable of doing, or how hard they are to learn.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
by Snark on Jun 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is apparently an open source
version of Matlab – it isn’t made by Mathworks, but is meant to be kind of the open equivalent. I haven’t used it, because I doubt it does everything. But I guess it is something like the Open Office/MS Office relationship.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if I were only using Matlab for stats
I’d use something else. You can do just about everything with it, but I’m sure there are more intuitive things out there.
But if you are doing anything that uses sophisticated linear algebra, Matlab is the tool to use. Many disciplines of engineering and now even biology are heavy users of it. The type of modeling I do wouldn’t even be possible in most other “higher” programming languages.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those head to head games are HUGE for me...
I made a bet with some girl friends out in California before the first series we swept them in that if we won the season series, they had to buy a ticket out to Texas…if they win it, I have to go out to SoCal. Either way, I think I win…but it’d be nice if they’re the ones buying plane tickets
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008
67 games into that season, the White Sox were 37-30 and the Twinkies were 32-35.
At the end of the regular season (before the one game playoff won by John Danks), both teams had 88 wins.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006
68 games into that season, the Oakland A’s sat atop the AL West with a 36-32 record.
Texas was 36-31 & LAA was 30-37.
End of regular season -
Oakland 93-69
LAA 89-73
Texas 80-82
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand your point
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 23, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's way, way, way too early
for anybody to claim the winner of the AL West is going to have 85-87 wins.
I could probably go find at least 5 more seasons between ’96-2008 similar to the seasons I pulled up. Without looking, what did the NL West look like last year after 68 games?
Things change during the course of a season, especially with teams who have GMs that have a nice understanding on what it takes to improve a team during the course of a season.
I fully expect the winner of the AL West to have at least 90 wins at the end of the regular season and will be very surprised if it doesn’t happen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree totally and completely
kind of like the US open, where if you shot -3 you figured you would be very close to in the hunt
if you win 87 games, you have a VERY good chance of making the playoffs/winning the AL west
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richard Durrett has to be the only person in the world
Who thinks Michael Young is playing well at third base.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're up awful early jonny boy
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I keep weird hours.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh, Josey Wales is appalled that you forgot him
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, Josey doesn't ususally try to defend MY's defense at third
He just either dismisses it or doesn’t mention it. I think. Honestly I don’t pay enough attention to his rants to know for sure.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josey
also listened to Cal Ripken say before the season that it took him 100 games to make the transition from SS to 3B and that he thought it would take the same for Young.
We’re 68 games into this season (benmor, that number wasn’t pulled out of thin air)
To listen to spares in here rip Young, mainly because the shit-head GM (that so many in here worship) thought it was a brilliant idea to give him a 5 year/$ 80 million extension despite the fact this team rolls with a small market payroll, is hilarious.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhh yeah.
The Cal Ripken/100 games line. I forgot about that one.
Nevermind.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lsj
Is there an opinion in here we should value over Cal Ripken jr?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The commentary above...
seems to be stating that Michael Young is playing bad third base right now . So I don’t see how Cal Ripken’s thoughts are relevant.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fully expected MYoung to have a transition period in learning
a new position, benmor. Didn’t you?
3B is one of the more difficult positions in baseball to play and MYoung is having to learn the position on the fly at the very highest level.
To expect him to play 3B right away without struggling would have been profoundly stupid and it shouldn’t matter that Donuts thought it was a great idea to give him 5 years / $ 80 million.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay i would like to get you on record to see who is responsible for each of the following events:
Either Hicks, Ryan, Hart or Daniels. Ill even answer some for you and see if you disagree.
Tex Trade – Daniels
Lofton Trade – Daniels
Chris Young – Daniels
John Danks – Daniels
Drafting Beavan – ?
Drafting Main – ?
Drafting Purke – ?
Drafting Scheppers – ?
Moving Young to 3rd and bringing up Andrus – ?
Gagne Trade – Daniels
Signing Maddux – ?
by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cal Ripken's thoughts on the subject are irrelevant...
to whether or not Michael Young is a good third baseman right now.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
benmor
Did you really expect MYoung to be a “good 3B” 68 games into the season?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: your sig
You quoting yourself trying in vain to refute someone else’s post says all we need to know about you.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tball,
Did you expect MYoung to be a “good 3B” 68 games into the season?
If so, why?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't ever expect Young to be
a “good” 3B. He will likely be slightly better than he is now, but never good.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you think it's fair for people in here to bitch
about Young?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
This is a blog where people discuss the Great Game, right? If Young is the purported leader of the clubhouse, than he’s the lightning rod. He is having a good year with the bat and is the worst 3B with the glove right now, no matter what Cal Ripken said.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides
The real competition here is “who is the sharpest and most acute critic”. It’s the nature of discussions, in a way. Young is a decent 3B. Won’t ever be a leather genius, but “will do” in concert with his infield teammates. No point groaning over measurements or rating profiles, neither of which make any plays.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jun 23, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blogs
certainly lend themselves to huge pendulum swings in opinion, wild exaggerations to make a point, and sniping attacks on those that disagree.
Bottom line, moving Young to 3B was a very good idea. We were all shocked at the timing of it, but it has worked well. Everyone wins, the team gets better defense, Young is still a leader in the clubhouse.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did
benmor run away from the question?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I not respond quickly enough for you?
I’ll try to do better.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you take a bathroom break before responding to Josey, you
He calls you a coward.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is interesting, considering his penchant for avoiding responses
I’ve got several I’m still waiting on him to respond to from a few weeks back.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what we're discussing.
We’re discussing if Michael Young is a good 3d baseman right now, which he’s not. Whether he will be because of Cal Ripken’s experiences is completely irrelevant.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
benmor
Did you expect MYoung to be a good 3B 68 games into the season and if so, why?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
But what does Cal Ripken have to do with it, anyway? Are Michael Young and Cal Ripken comparable players?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we're both on board in believing that
MYoung is not a good 3B right now and that it would have been foolish for anybody to believe he would be.
Who said Cal Ripken & MYoung were comparable?
Cal Ripken, who also made the transition from SS to 3B late in his career and has a much better perspective in evaluating skillsets than any spare in here, said he believed Young had the skillset to make the transition but expected it to take at least 100 games.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam and many others here
said pretty much the same thing, that Young had the skill set to be ok over there, or at least less of a liability than at SS, and no one here expected him to be good right away (if ever). Why are we having this discussion?
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry tball
Cal Ripken Jr.‘s opinion means more to me than AJM’s.
Nothing personal, Adam.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone ask ARod?
He’s also nothing like Michael Young, does not have comparable skillsets to him, and switched from short to third. Maybe his opinion matters.
Or maybe we should ask Mark DeRosa, who’s played both short and third, how long it took him. Hell, let’s ask every player who’s ever switched positions, regardless of whether they’re comparable or not!
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also find it hilarious that many in here
have talked about how fans should be far more understanding of the Donuts gm learning curve yet not so much when it comes to being patient with MYoung learning how to play one of the more difficult positions in baseball.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You keep going farther and farther afield...
from the original point. Michael Young isn’t a good third baseman right now, we agree on that. So what does that have to do with JD’s learning curve? We weren’t even discussing that.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've been a baseball fan a long time
yet still seem to be in the beginning stages of a massive learning curve. We’ll try to be more patient.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben
I heard that someone here does troll rankings usually. When and where? I think we have two excellent candidates coming to the forefront in Josey Donuts and Finnerty.Fan
by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dr. pepper does them.
I like Josey Donuts as a nickname.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do as well
Josey Donuts it is ha.
by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on board with this.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody has a sock puppet called Dr. Pepper
(circumstantial evidence seems to point to it being agreen07) that has been used to do troll rankings in the past, but they’ve never actually been serious.
Heck, one time I think Ben got voted in as top troll.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you use firefox, my advice is just to d/l and use AB03's troll script
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/5/3/863636/ignore-script
Although blocking Josey can make it more difficult to scroll through threads in which he’s shitting all over (when the script blocks a comment, it blocks the ability to scroll through it as well, you have to double-tap the “z” button) you can at least be rid of the likes of finnerty.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I'm a troll because I champion
Michael Young?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josey Donuts, you're a troll
because all of your posts spin every happenstance to serve your anti-Daniels agenda.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donuts became muchless of
a problem on February 6, 2008.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the reason.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any plans for a new video soon?
I can’t wait to see this conversation go in there.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction,
you gained a new, convenient way to explain good moves by the Rangers’ front office on that date.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're really not close.
Josey understands the game, he just pushes buttons. It actually leads to good discussions a lot of times.
Fin’s bit is obvious. He tries to talk shit so he can call up Sully and the plagiarizing guy, and say, “Check out LSB, I’m ripping these guys, I even took on Newberg”. It’s kinda like Anthony Michael Hall in ‘Sixteen Candles’. He was a dork nobody liked, but there were two bigger dorks that looked up to him.
Only difference, Hall was funny.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Jun 23, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very well put.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct that first paragraph.
Josey understands what happens on the field fairly well, I’ll give him that. He just does not have even the most basic understanding of how the organization as a whole operates or how a front office works and how to evaluate what they do. He sucks abysmally at the big picture.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or anything involving the
use of numeric analysis. Good ideas, right intent, poor execution.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jun 23, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm...."the big picture"
20 games into 2004, I said based on the Ranger run differential I expected them to win between 88-92 games (they won 89).
After 2004, I said the Rangers were in big trouble based on what ownership was doing. They haven’t been over .500 since and attendance went into a death spiral (particularly after Donuts was given the keys to the car).
I said the 2005-06 teams would be a couple of games on either side of .500 before the seasons.
I said the 2007 team had 75 win talent in January ’07 (they won 75 games).
I said throughout the 2008 season, even when the team was 60-54 that the team was a fraud (based on run differential, walks allowed, errors committed) and very likely to finish below .500 (they finished 79-83).
I’m not perfect (see predictions before this season) but I’m not bad when it comes to the “big picture.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be cool if you could actually prove all of that?
That way, I don’t have to take some message board spare’s word for it that he predicted all this stuff.
by Inkara1 on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
expecting a transition is one thing
but no one, not even the biggest MY haters thought he would be this bad imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the shit-head GM gave MY that contract
JD may do a lot of things but he doesn’t sign the checks. I’m not absolving JD for that contract and it could very well have been his idea but the big guy had to ultimately approve.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you're going to absolve him for the Young contract,
the Tex offer, the trade of AG/CYoung (that was Buck’s fault), the trade of Soriano (it was the best offer he had), the trade of Danks (that was the fault of our scouts), the Dice-K, Hunter and Zito offers (that was Tom Hicks)…
…you have to absolve him because to blame it on Donuts would call his competency into question.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez man, one innocent comment and you go on a rant
The trades are all JD in my opinion. Some good, some bad, some OK at the time. As far as FA contract offers it’s probably a collaboration between the interests of the club and financial interests.
The thing about MY is that you were dealing with FOTF. That decision probably had a good deal to do with concern of casual fan backlash should the Rangers not hold on to FOTF. There might have been influences in that contract that had very little to do with whether MY could provide league average production through the life of that contract. That said, we’re all talking out of our asses (you included) when it comes to why a decision was made except for the fact that Hicks thought MY was FOTF.
As an aside, the Rangers made a very reasonable bid for Dice-K but were completely blown out of the water by a bid from left field (have you seen his performance lately?). I’m also glad the Rangers didn’t outbid for Hunter or Zito.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given that we supposedly had "A 5 Step Plan" (somebody came down from the moutaintop with this written on a stone tablet so it has to be true)...
this team had no business making offers to Zito, Hunter, Dice-K.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can see the agreement with hunter, yes
but zito/diceK are/were seen at the time as TORPs who were both young/entering their primes
when you can get that you go after that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say the same thing
Dice-K yes, Zito maybe, Torri no. When I heard about Boston’s bid on Dice-K I was stunned and later hearing the Rangers bid I thought it was imminently reasonable.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remind me what the rangers offer/bid was again?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was 30-35 million
It was the second highest offer
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About $27 mil
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's right without looking it up
I remember thinking the Red Sox about doubled the Rangers bid ($51 or $52 MM?). And that was just a bid to negotiate with him.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill James made an offer to Dice -K
We’re just trying to do as Bill James does
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
it was Theo Epstein who made the offer to Dice-K but they have a payroll that makes room for margins of error .
Have I mentioned the Bosox won two World Series after hiring Bill James?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
everyone here is just as well aware of Bill James and his work as you are. You continue to try to posture yourself as some kind of sage. Everyone else here knows just as much about baseball as you do, you’re just not that special.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill James knows all
You think Theo didn’t ask Bill James for his opinion? That’d be pretty stupid considering James is the greatest baseball mind of the past 50 years.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
You’ve got this down, Gdawg ..
You’re rocking a game score of 7,500% when you mock Josey Donut.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have I mentioned they have a payroll of $122 MM?
And their 2007 25 man payroll was $143 MM? Teams with far smaller payrolls have also won the WS. You’re right that more money allows for more errors but that doesn’t mean you can’t win with a smaller payroll.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young contract
I’m gonna go ahead and presume that the contract was not JD’s idea. That was, in my opinion, purely Hicks’ idea.
Now JD negotiated the contract and it was probably a case where he was between MY wanting to go and Hicks wanting him to stay at all costs (since losing MY and Tex at once would be PR suicide) and that’s why the contract was as bad as it is.
And of course this is all supposition whereas your statements are all supposition as well
What's the rumpus?
by Hypo-Luxa on Jun 23, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
It’s never Donuts’ fault.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's always Donuts' fault!
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I say about my gut
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ron?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baxter?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The great part about this new nickname
is that it introduces ambiguity to the board, which ruins Josey’s bit.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not presuming anything
Daniels liked that contract for some reason or he wouldn’t have signed off on it. It was a mistake, but obviously he and the rest of the front office decided to go ahead with it on the basis of Young being part of the core they wanted to lock up. Even considering the market was very different at that time, the contract was for way too much money. It looks even worse in hindsight than it did at the time.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiosity
Do you think if JD didn’t like the contract he could’ve/would’ve stood up to Hicks and said NO WAY?
I don’t think he could’ve quite honestly, but again, this is all opinion.
And no Josey, JD is not infallible. But in your black and white scenario we’re either with you or hopeless JD apologists….
What's the rumpus?
by Hypo-Luxa on Jun 23, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the contract
fits in with Daniels’ basic philosophy and the 5-year plan. They considered Young a core player and an important leader, worth more than his numbers on the field. By and large I think they do a good job of mixing character and talent, and resigning Young was a fine idea, they just overdid it by about $20 million.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
josey
do you expect him to be anywhere near league average by the end of the year
because for him to be league average by the end of the year he would have to play very good defense over the last 62 games of the year
and i simply dont believe it will happen
anyway, the whole 100 games thing i thought was dumbdumbdumb — so if he takes 1000 balls a day at 3b, should it still take him 100 games? what if he only takes 100/day? more than 100 games? — the 100 games is an abitrary number, why isnt it 81 games?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's a spare?
is that the new slang for “loser?”
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is ok at third
but not great. A C rating, but for his first half season isnt that pretty good?
And 85 wins probably can win this division, which would be 85-77 or 8 games above .500
I would rather see 87-75, or even 90 wins… but who knows.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look
by PM Productions on Jun 23, 2009 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MY
Dead last among MLB 3B’s in both UZR (-9.8) and UZR/150 (-21.3) according to Fangraphs, and according to Joey’s defensive barometer from yesterday, -14 runs in plus/minus.
At best, I think you could say Mikey Baseball gets a D minus at third base.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Joey said at his site
MY is -2 going to his right and -11 to his left. Sounds like MY is playing closer to the line. It was speculated last year that Kinsler played more to his right thus hurting his defensive scores on balls hit to his left. We know MY has poor lateral movement so he should be playing closer to the line. Don’t expect Young to ever get positive numbers from the defensive metrics.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
We know MY has poor lateral movement so he should be playing closer to the line. Don’t expect Young to ever get positive numbers from the defensive metrics.
Isn’t this just a glossy way of saying Michael Young just isn’t a good defensive player?
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to say
MY is a good defensive player. But I don’t think he is as bad as the numbers indicate. Don’t know about Dewan’s +/-, but UZR doesn’t take into account player positioning among other things.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't take into account
player positioning. If a player is positioned badly, that should count against the player.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just typing the same thing.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if thats where hes being told to position himself?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we should have a Wash UZR
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And with Elvis at SS
Mike may be lining up closer to the line because he knows Elvis has the range to cover so much area
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This gets to my question that I have never really had answered
if Young is not making plays that Elvis is making, that obvious helps Elvis’s fielding scores, but does it hurt Young’s?
Because from my perspective, I don’t care if Young isn’t making plays that Elvis makes.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
Same with bigsteve. Maybe MY isn’t a great defender but if Elvis is covering the area then we’re still looking at a net gain on the left side of the field plus Ian isn’t shading to his left so the right side is improved.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has more to do with his reactions than Elvis
His reactions have been poor this year, so he lines up closer to the line to give himself a better chance at a shot down the chalk.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HIs reactions are definitely slow
But how do we know he is lining up so close to the line because of that and not because the coaches have told him to because of Elvis’ range at SS?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because as good as Elvis is, he doesn't cover third base
You can have a guy all the range in the world at short (which Elvis pretty much does), but I seriously doubt it’ll make the coaches push their third baseman toward the line. That just doesn’t make any sense. Your 3B still has to cover ground to his left regardless of who’s at short.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he doesn't have to cover as much
And since he doesn’t have to cover as much then you try and take away the most damaging hits. Liners down the line go for doubles. Grounders in the hole are singles. If Micheal Young is better positioned closer to the line to take away doubles and we give up a handful more singles throughout he year thats fine. Regardless of what his UZR or whatever tells you
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
But like Joey observed yesterday, he’s been worst of all on balls hit directly at him. So I’m not sure positioning him toward the line to catch hard smashes is going to make much of a difference.
Really what this all comes back too though, is the fact that Michael Young has the reactions of a tree stump at third base. Whether it’s doubles or singles, the bottom line is he costs us hits over there. And I don’t really see the use in trying to sugarcoat it with excuses about his defensive positioning. If he didn’t suck, we wouldn’t have to put him in special defensive positions that cost us hits in an attempt to prevent others.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just trying to add some perspective
to the numbers. He is a below avg thirdbaseman. But, I don’t think he will end up being the worst 3B in baseball.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's got a pretty big headstart on everyone numbers wise.
But we’ll see.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Combine Elvis' range
and MY’s poor lateral movement and it is smart to move him closer to the line so that he gives up less 2Bs down the line. Why doesn’t that make sense. Play to your players strengths and weaknesses.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is the smart thing to do.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t MY at something like -27 UZR just a month or so ago? If he’s down to -9.8, doesn’t that indicate some level of improvement?
by Athos on Jun 23, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UZR is a counting stat
It could indicate improvement, or it could just be that the sample size is increasing and the law of averages is beginning to apply more. Or both.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're mixing the numbers
One of those was current, the other per/150 games. Right now his /150 is -21.3, so I guess there’s been some small improvement, though it could just be sss fluctuation at this point. I wish they had a graph for that.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not mixing numbers. Earlier in the season his regular UZR was comically bad. Now it is still bad, but much, much less so. He’s obviously improving. I’m just wondering if, sometime in the future, he gets to the middle of the pack or maybe even has a positive UZR or +/- or whatever is the current rock star defensive stat, if folks around here will admit that he is a capable defender and that there was an adjustment phase when he transitioned into a third baseman.
Needless to say, I’m not holding my breath on that being the case (though I do expect him to improve to at least a middle of the pack defensive third baseman at some point).
by Athos on Jun 23, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think MY eventually
ends up somehwere between -7 and -3 according to the defensive metrics.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant there are two numbers
current UZR, and UZR per 150. You cited the current UZR (-9.8) but the -27 a month or so ago was the per 150 game pace, not the current total at that time.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're wrong on that.
I think a month ago the UZR per 150 was at something really outrageous like -89.
by Athos on Jun 23, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't think so
It hasn’t moved nearly that much, it’s stayed pretty close to what it is right now, which is the worst in baseball. He’d had to mess up every single chance for a long time to get to -89. I think he could do better than that on one leg. On May 8, according to Joey’s report at BBTIA, his UZR was -5.8, and there is just no way that translates to a -89/150.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he the worst defensive 3b in baseball?
who is worse (overall) than him in plus/minus?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Dewan has come out with any numbers for this year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think he has
and they might be on Bill James’ site. Dewan posted this last week about the top defenders so far:
http://actasports.com/sow.php?id=214
And this about what role defense has played so far in the Rangers’ season a couple weeks ago:
http://actasports.com/sow.php?id=211
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that the Plus/Minus
is accessible if you have a subscription to James’ site, but since I don’t, I can’t confirm. Anyone?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
by Snark on Jun 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joey put up some numbers yesterday
over at BBTiA with both +/- and UZR:
http://www.bbtia.com/the-clubhouse/2009/6/22/rangers-defensive-barometer-june-22nd-edition.html
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
duh, I knew that
So MY is regressing at 3B
May UZR 7 +/ – (-10) (-14)
Jun UZR -9.8 +/
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't know why
that happened
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
85 wins
is not going to do shat.
It usually takes at least 90 wins to nail a division and this year should be no different.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are close to 85 wins that means we are playing meaningful baseball in September
Which is a nice change of pace and more than we could have hoped for at the beginning of the season
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think the Angels are gonna win 90 games?
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the AL West division winner is going to win at least 90 games.
Who that team is right now is a mystery guest.
It’s not gonna be the Texas Rangers if they keep running out a 1B with less than a .250 obp.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the Angels have got their problems too
Lackey’s pitching below par, something’s clearly wrong with Santana, and they’ve got the highest bullpen ERA in the majors.
Seattle’s offense is one of the bottom four in baseball.
I don’t really see either of those two teams winning 90 games. Not saying they can’t beat us, but I don’t really think it’s gonna take 90 games to win this division.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you win 87 games your gonna be within 2-3 games of division winners, if not division winners
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
One division almost always has a 85-87 win team win it.
08 – Dodgers 84 wins
07 – Cubs 85 wins
06 – Cards 83 wins
05 – Padres 82 wins
by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do all of those teams have in common?
They don’t play in the men’s league.
In the men’s league, otherwise known as the American League, it almost always takes 90 wins ( with a couple of exceptions).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no offense
but the AL west is not that much better than then NL west was last year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
our own ’98 Texas Rangers with their 88 wins.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So since the Wild Card concept has been introduced
how many AL division winners have had less than 90 wins?
3?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat.
He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Care to bet that 89 wins or less wins this division?
by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No bet, Cave.
From ‘96-08 there have been, what 39 division titles won and I think there have been only 3 AL teams (’97 Tribe, ’98 Rangers, ’08 WSox) that were able to bag a title with less than 90 wins.
As a Ranger fan or dipshit GM, it would be foolish to think 85 wins is going to get it done.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So right now you are at 94% chance of winning the bet but won't take it?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bigsteve
I don’t make internet bets, regardless of my odds.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
I bet him before the season that the Rangers would win 79 or more games. Terms: Loser goes home (no more posting on LSB). No bet because he is just the type of guy that makes claims just to make them.
by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those 79 wins aren't in the bank just yet, Cave.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think this club can win 42 games over its remaining 94?
That’s not exactly asking them to carry a 2001 Seattle Mariners winning pace the rest of the way.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTA
I think the Rangers are a very good bet to win at least 42 more games this year but it is not a given.
There’s a reason that PECOTA & Vegas both thought this team would win 72-74 games this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was before this year
lets see what PECOTA says about the rangers when they update it @ the AS break
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute - I made that bet
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you are so sure
then make the bet. Same terms as last time.
by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cave
Who really gives a damn if you’re here or not?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not that many
ppl however im sure there would be a lot of ppl who wouldnt mind not having to hear “donuts”, etc all the time. Thus the bet is more addition by subtraction.
by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would go down as the martyr of martyrs.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure a lot of people care
He actually adds something to discussions here and isn’t a douchebag. Non-douchebags are always welcome.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always love...
how you pull out a statistic or fact as if you were holding it in that wise brain of yours, when the internet means that info is easily available to everyone. Why pretend that you’re pulling these facts out of thin air?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thin air?
Most of us understand that major league standings are readily availablle.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Place Mother Effin' Texas Rangers!!!
…The Tide Turneth…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 13 recs
Post interrupted
I was going to say: This isnt old yet? Nice contribution, Stay Puft. Reminding people we are in first place we make them forget that we aren’t playing well. I get it. Smart.
by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
go the fuck away
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 23, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
At this point: troll script, FTW.
Love ya, ab.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Because you cant handle it? Because you and GDawg like to have gif making sleep-overs? Give me a break. Just ignore me if you cant handle it, ab03.
by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
what is your deal about mentioning people posting pictures or gifs
it isn’t old yet?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jun 23, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even think...
I’ve ever seen ab post a gif.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because
He’s too skinny. (that’s not old yet for me)
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again, I'm on the outside
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said Moscoso
wasnt a legit prospect. One of the reasons I stated was his slender frame in direct correlation to his durability issues. It’s not that ridiculous, in my opinion.
by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you even know what his injuries were?
Are you a doctor?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know what his injuries were
No, I’m not a doctor. Is that it? Is that really your response?
by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you aren't a doctor, then you should shut the fuck up
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor, not a message board spare!
by Inkara1 on Jun 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Why is that?
Why do I have to be a doctor to express an opinion on a player? I am aware of Moscoso’s injury history and I’m aware of his physical limitations. I’m also aware that most people think his long term role is in the pen because of these limitations. I’m not sure why this upsets you so much.
by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, that isn't overly ridiculous
but stating that Moscoso isn’t legit might get you a swirlie if you ever come around my parts
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that ridiculous
but I for one like seeing how angry you can get when we hammer away at your blog.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take things personally
I decided to work on it and then I scratched that and decided to get angrier. I’ll find a happy medium eventually.
Thanks for admitting that its not that ridiculous. You are a bigger man than most.
by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should take things personally
Your shitty blog is a direct reflection on you as a human being. Are you a eunuch?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite is how he had never heard of Tommy Mendonca before the draft.
He was only the 2008 College World Series MVP.
by Inkara1 on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly, that doesn't mean anything
If Finnerty hasn’t heard of him, he’s got to be a crappy player.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Whatever, Gdawg. Once again, you are on the outside looking in.
Shitty blog? Yeah, probably.
The blog being a direct reflection on me as a human being? That’s a stretch. Even you can do better than that.
Me being a eunuch? Sure, why not. Castration isn’t exactly my bag, but…. (that was for t ball)
Although, I might add, if its being used in the ineffectual sense, I think my presence on this site argues that case for me. Perhaps not.
by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taking baseball prospect discourse personally and then getting angrier
Is not exactly a healthy way to go about life.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its getting there
I figured I could throw it out there a few more times, though.
by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ive never seeen a fan bitch about being in first place before
what about the byline of the blog “angriest first place team in baseball” — are you gonna smash that?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was I bitching about being in first place
or was I bitching about Rodney’s ridiculousness? I think I was pretty clear. My point was that Stay Puft can continue to shout from the rooftops that we are in first place, but that doesnt change the fact that we arent playing very well right now. It’s not all sunshine and roses, Mr. OutKing.
by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if all he's saying is that we're in first place
and we are in fact, in first place, then where is he wrong. Why should he be schooled by the great Finnerty?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trip, is that you?
What don’t I get. One person stated we are in first place. Is he wrong? Did he say a single thing about how we’re playing?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be very careful here.
Threatening a minor is a State Jail Felony in Texas.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you think he is saying we are playing well at all?
First Place Mother Effin’ Texas Rangers!!! …The Tide Turneth…
the tide turneth alone is saying that we HAVE been playing bad — and no one thinks it is sunshine and roses btw
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your optimism
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
REC
Rodney do we have to clip your Angel of Death wings?
Ed McMahon is dead. May he rest in peace!
"You're going to love my nuts"
Vince from slap chop
by BigGuns on Jun 23, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed McMahon
best gig ever?
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prolly close, just sit there and smile, do a bit of voice work.
86? I’ll take that, as I thought when I heard the news about 6:30am this morning.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the tonight show
all I remember is him announcing Johnny, then just smiling and laughing at his jokes.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes sir it was all fun and games until that last hot wife came along..
and took him to the cleaners to the point the house went into foreclosure…
http://www.tmz.com/2008/06/17/eds-wife-shopping-him-into-the-poorhouse/
"You're going to love my nuts"
Vince from slap chop
by BigGuns on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always interesting to see
how guys who made gobs of money were able to piss it away.
I gotta believe wives and ex-wives are near the top of the list.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember sylvester stallone once saying that the key to schwarznegger's success
staying married to one wife. Didn’t hurt she was from a pretty powerful family that was indepenently wealthy – might decrease the chances of a wife cutting and running.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 23, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key to succes for Ahnold and Sly Stallone
Steroids by the bushel basket.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buy-'n-Bulk!
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Hah! You are correct, sir!"
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct Sir!
x
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
by Parman on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am glad the Rangers don' thave to play the Rockies this year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rockies are like the baseball team version of Marlon Byrd
Damned mediocre, but when they go on a hot streak they don’t fuck around.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well done
Rec’d for your efforts
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random observation:
The game starts at 8:40 PM Texas time tonight. I guess they’re on mountain time, but… odd.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF? Why start at 7:40 when you have a roof?
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 23, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
Just makes the time slot seem more like a west coast game, which means people on eastern and central time get to stay up later. You’d think MLB would want to schedule nighttime west coast/mountain time games earlier whenever possible, but… guess not.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix traffic is bad
maybe wanting to wait so they can sell more tix?
by texasraider on Jun 23, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah when I lived there
they always started their games later than normal. Now they have a light rail system so traffic shouldn’t be as terrible, but I’m sure that’s the reason.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona is Pacific TIme this time of year
by JPenn on Jun 23, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They fail to observe daylight savings time in AZ
by texasdoc on Jun 23, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you ask someone from AZ
they would say they reject the temporal tyranny that is the DST
by Telegraph on Jun 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When it's 120 degrees during the day, I don't think I'd want to save daylight time either.
Let it get dark.
by Redcaps on Jun 23, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thus, the 7:40 start time
for all the Arizonans who just don’t know what the fuck time it is.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's 6:40 Pacific Time...
Since Arizona is lined up with Pacific Time in the summer, it’s 6:40 Phoenix time.
by Inkara1 on Jun 23, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, yeah
whatever, clock boy. I’ll be working anyway, unfortunately, until about 9:00.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be working covering the little league tournament of stars
the local little league district has a “tournament of stars” to be able to get more kids on postseason rosters than would be possible with the all-star tournament. The TOS teams from here play TOS teams from other cities within the district, and the winner gets a little banner and bragging rights but doesn’t advance to another tournament like the all-star tournament winners do.
by Inkara1 on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy Glaus anyone?
From Rosenthal, use at your own risk.
If the Cardinals deal him, they’d likely have to pay a portion of his $11.25MM salary. Rosenthal names the Rangers, Mets, Giants, Braves, Tigers and Mariners as teams that could have interest in Glaus at first or as a DH.
Don’t know if the Cardinals need a LH bat, but, Blalock and a middling prospect for Glaus?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cards need Blalock
even less than they need Glaus. I’m not very interested in Glaus anyway.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd have to be paying pretty much all of his salary for me to consider that
But his numbers look pretty good. And it would make a fun story to win the division with ex-Angel great Troy Glaus helping out with the playoff drive.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a solid righty bat
seems like he’d be a fine addition if he’d cost less than a guy like Johnson.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But how healthy is he?
and is he enough of an upgrade over Blalock/Jones/whatever combo they put at 1B/DH to justify the cost in prospects?
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he'd be the bat that would take the place of CD on our roster
I wouldnt mind giving him the majority of the playing time at 1B with Blalock getting partial time there and about half the ABs at DH with AJ getting the other half… Im not sure if he has to be a significant upgrade over Blalock to be valueable in that scenerio, and even then, I think he is an upgrade over Blalock if only from a definite increase in on base %…
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, health is the big question
And now that I do the reading up, his timetable still sounds sketchy – “sometime between the ASB and August first” apparently.
If he where extremely cheap in both prospects and salary he’d be a nice risk to take (and a much better compliment to Hank at 1B/DH than Andruw) but he’s not worth giving up anything of real value for, and we don’t have the money to take a salary dump.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely think
we need Glaus to go with Grilli so we can answer the time honored question.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would the Cards trade Glaus
when they are in a playoff race and have Joe Thurston, Brian Barden, David Freese, and now apparently Khalil Green starting games at 3b? I think the Cards need Glaus a lot more than we do.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 23, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because Glaus has a bum shoulder
And like Hank, can’t play 3B anymore.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're worried
he can’t throw, kind of like the situation with Blalock.
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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT call
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for our offense to break open....
before I break my TV.
by death of the cool on Jun 23, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trying to stay optimistic
Remember when the Rangers were 3.5-5 games up on the Angels in mid-May?
Angels fans were snickering at that lead. Saying:
“We start the season with a load of good players on the DL and all the Rangers can muster is a measly 3.5 game lead”
So well, our hitting has sucked for all of June, had Hamilton on the DL and we we’re still on top (albeit with a 1 game lead).
I’m not saying we’re gonna win the division if we keep playing like this. But I just think that once our hitting comes back, once Josh Hamilton comes back, we’ll have a pretty good shot to make the playoffs.
-Angry fan of a First Place Team
by chrisR on Jun 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No...
you will say we are going to win this division, and you will LIKE IT!!!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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