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Tuesday a.m. Rangers stuff

Remarkably, the Rangers are still alone in first place today...it seemed like folks were resigned to the Angels beating Colorado and pulling into a tie for first last night, but the Rockies won, 11-1, and thus the Rangers are still a game up on Anaheim.

Anthony Andro says that the Rangers made a couple of nice claims when they grabbed Darren O'Day and Jason Grilli off of waivers.

Jeff (the writer) Miller has a good, in-depth feature on O'Day, and how he went from a failed walk-on at the University of Florida to a key piece of a playoff contender's bullpen.

Richard Durrett runs down some positives about the Rangers right now, amidst a sea of negativity.

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when this offense starts hitting again

we can still win this division… I still think an 85-87 win team will have every chance to win this division

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think LAA is better than that

I’m not sure where the conventional wisdom that the AL West was so bad no team would win 90 games came from, but I don’t agree with it. The Angels are not a bad team. They aren’t a 100 win team, but they can easily win 90.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

they may be struggling to get to 90.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have to agree with that.

They overshot their pythag for what, 4 straight years? Regression is madly searching for them.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Ervin Santana

just went back on the DL

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Jun 23, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they wont win 90... id almost guarantee that

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What makes you so sure?

The Angels have played just over 500 baseball to this point, and I really can’t see them playing any worse. Their bullpen has been historically bad, and it probably shouldn’t be that bad (just like the Rangers offense shouldn’t be this awful). And as for Rodney’s point above that they always outperform Pythag so are due for a regression, that isn’t how things work. If every season is independent, and record-to-pythag is pure luck, then “regression” is only 50% likely, regardless of past trends.

I’m probably wrong to say “easily” win 90, but I would give it over a 50% shot that the Angels finish with 90 wins, and probably over a 75% shot that the winner of the division has over 90 wins. Good teams pull away from mediocre teams at the deadlines, because mediocre teams are trading away players and good teams are acquiring them. Both the Angels and Rangers, if in contention, will be playing teams in September who are just playing kids.

(and I know that I’m siding with Josey yet again…)

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see your logic.

I will stick with my 85-89 win plateau however.

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by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be a 90 win team...

…the Angels would have to play at a 93-win clip the rest of the way.

Not impossible, but not a slam dunk, either.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 23, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Rangers would have to win

at about a 91 win pace, certainly not impossible, either. The head to head games late in the season will most certainly be meaningful this year.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rangers have pretty much played like a 90 win team

up until the last week or two, they were on pace for something in the high 90s, which is

I still think there could be some change of the shape of the distribution of records over the season, which would probably amount to a pretty interesting historical study. Obviously early in the year, you’ll have strange things (lots of teams on pace for over 100 wins or 100 losses), which will settle down as sample sizes get bigger.

But how predictive overall are records at the ASB? 100 games isn’t that much smaller a statistical sample than 162. Obviously there would some correlation of pre-and post-ASB records, but does one tend to over or under predict the other?

I have no idea. Maybe if I get bored and feel like figuring out how to parse retrosheet data into Matlab one day.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

first line should finish “too high for this team”

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you figure out how to parse Retrosheet into MATLAB

Let me know — I’d be all over that, I’m just too lazy to work it out myself.

by Trickman on Jun 23, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've done it before with individual players game logs

but it is horribly inefficient code, and their framework just isn’t intuitive to me. If I got paid to analyze baseball data I’d probably do it and could do some cool stuff with the data, but alas… I don’t.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Matlab?

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.

by Snark on Jun 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because once I have data in Matlab

I can do just about anything with it. Amazing program.

Pretty much all of my work is based in Matlab.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matlab

Is amazing for statistical and mathematical analysis.

I’ve got the C# and SQL addins that allow alot of data manipulation, but again — baseball isn’t my day job so I don’t really have the time to put the effort into pushing data into it.

My company has been converting our old Excel-based algorithms into Matlab for more powerful statistical stuff (generalized least squares vs ordinary least squares, etc)

by Trickman on Jun 23, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious, what kind of work do you do and what's your educational background?

One of my hobbies (as soon as I pass the bar) is to improve my proficiency at Excel data manipulation. I’m better than average, but there’s a lot of things I’d like to be able to do that I don’t know how.

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by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

I’ve only used Matlab a bit, and never for statistical analysis. The language struck me as rather difficult. After having used R, SAS, and Stata for some stats work, though, I prefer R ~ and the language there isn’t intuitive by any stretch of the imagination. It makes sense that you’d use Matlab if you already have and know it, though…

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.

by Snark on Jun 23, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matlab vs Stata

I prefer Stata for straight statistical analysis (I used it before Matlab), but Matlab is more flexible.

R is very similar to Matlab, and we had considered using R here — but Matlab (being expensive as opposed to being free) has much easier to use documentation and a nice interface..

Whereas R (my experience) was very difficult to find clear and easy instructions for those just beginning with the language.

by Trickman on Jun 23, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll have to check Matlab out, if I get an opportunity.

R is definitely a headache to learn ~ very steep learning curve. But, as you wrote, free, which is nice.

I agree about Stata being very well suited for more straightforward work. And although I didn’t enjoy using it, SAS seems to have some advantages in terms of working with data sets and such (though my SAS skills are wanting).

There are purportedly other open-source stats packages out there ~ some based on Python, I think? Not sure what those are capable of doing, or how hard they are to learn.

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.

by Snark on Jun 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is apparently an open source

version of Matlab – it isn’t made by Mathworks, but is meant to be kind of the open equivalent. I haven’t used it, because I doubt it does everything. But I guess it is something like the Open Office/MS Office relationship.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if I were only using Matlab for stats

I’d use something else. You can do just about everything with it, but I’m sure there are more intuitive things out there.

But if you are doing anything that uses sophisticated linear algebra, Matlab is the tool to use. Many disciplines of engineering and now even biology are heavy users of it. The type of modeling I do wouldn’t even be possible in most other “higher” programming languages.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

those head to head games are HUGE for me...

I made a bet with some girl friends out in California before the first series we swept them in that if we won the season series, they had to buy a ticket out to Texas…if they win it, I have to go out to SoCal. Either way, I think I win…but it’d be nice if they’re the ones buying plane tickets

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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2008

67 games into that season, the White Sox were 37-30 and the Twinkies were 32-35.

At the end of the regular season (before the one game playoff won by John Danks), both teams had 88 wins.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2006

68 games into that season, the Oakland A’s sat atop the AL West with a 36-32 record.

Texas was 36-31 & LAA was 30-37.

End of regular season -

Oakland 93-69
LAA 89-73
Texas 80-82

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's way, way, way too early

for anybody to claim the winner of the AL West is going to have 85-87 wins.

I could probably go find at least 5 more seasons between ’96-2008 similar to the seasons I pulled up. Without looking, what did the NL West look like last year after 68 games?

Things change during the course of a season, especially with teams who have GMs that have a nice understanding on what it takes to improve a team during the course of a season.

I fully expect the winner of the AL West to have at least 90 wins at the end of the regular season and will be very surprised if it doesn’t happen.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree totally and completely

kind of like the US open, where if you shot -3 you figured you would be very close to in the hunt

if you win 87 games, you have a VERY good chance of making the playoffs/winning the AL west

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Richard Durrett has to be the only person in the world

Who thinks Michael Young is playing well at third base.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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-Section 339

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're up awful early jonny boy

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, I keep weird hours.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh, Josey Wales is appalled that you forgot him

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, Josey doesn't ususally try to defend MY's defense at third

He just either dismisses it or doesn’t mention it. I think. Honestly I don’t pay enough attention to his rants to know for sure.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josey

also listened to Cal Ripken say before the season that it took him 100 games to make the transition from SS to 3B and that he thought it would take the same for Young.

We’re 68 games into this season (benmor, that number wasn’t pulled out of thin air)

To listen to spares in here rip Young, mainly because the shit-head GM (that so many in here worship) thought it was a brilliant idea to give him a 5 year/$ 80 million extension despite the fact this team rolls with a small market payroll, is hilarious.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhh yeah.

The Cal Ripken/100 games line. I forgot about that one.

Nevermind.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lsj

Is there an opinion in here we should value over Cal Ripken jr?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The commentary above...

seems to be stating that Michael Young is playing bad third base right now . So I don’t see how Cal Ripken’s thoughts are relevant.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fully expected MYoung to have a transition period in learning

a new position, benmor. Didn’t you?

3B is one of the more difficult positions in baseball to play and MYoung is having to learn the position on the fly at the very highest level.

To expect him to play 3B right away without struggling would have been profoundly stupid and it shouldn’t matter that Donuts thought it was a great idea to give him 5 years / $ 80 million.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay i would like to get you on record to see who is responsible for each of the following events:

Either Hicks, Ryan, Hart or Daniels. Ill even answer some for you and see if you disagree.

Tex Trade – Daniels
Lofton Trade – Daniels
Chris Young – Daniels
John Danks – Daniels
Drafting Beavan – ?
Drafting Main – ?
Drafting Purke – ?
Drafting Scheppers – ?
Moving Young to 3rd and bringing up Andrus – ?
Gagne Trade – Daniels
Signing Maddux – ?

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why ask?

He has pat answers and equivocations for every question.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cal Ripken's thoughts on the subject are irrelevant...

to whether or not Michael Young is a good third baseman right now.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

benmor

Did you really expect MYoung to be a “good 3B” 68 games into the season?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: your sig

You quoting yourself trying in vain to refute someone else’s post says all we need to know about you.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tball,

Did you expect MYoung to be a “good 3B” 68 games into the season?

If so, why?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't ever expect Young to be

a “good” 3B. He will likely be slightly better than he is now, but never good.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you think it's fair for people in here to bitch

about Young?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

This is a blog where people discuss the Great Game, right? If Young is the purported leader of the clubhouse, than he’s the lightning rod. He is having a good year with the bat and is the worst 3B with the glove right now, no matter what Cal Ripken said.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides

The real competition here is “who is the sharpest and most acute critic”. It’s the nature of discussions, in a way. Young is a decent 3B. Won’t ever be a leather genius, but “will do” in concert with his infield teammates. No point groaning over measurements or rating profiles, neither of which make any plays.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Jun 23, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blogs

certainly lend themselves to huge pendulum swings in opinion, wild exaggerations to make a point, and sniping attacks on those that disagree.

Bottom line, moving Young to 3B was a very good idea. We were all shocked at the timing of it, but it has worked well. Everyone wins, the team gets better defense, Young is still a leader in the clubhouse.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Not in his skill set, doesn’t have the reflexes.

"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."

by scoop16 on Jun 23, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did

benmor run away from the question?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I not respond quickly enough for you?

I’ll try to do better.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you take a bathroom break before responding to Josey, you

He calls you a coward.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is interesting, considering his penchant for avoiding responses

I’ve got several I’m still waiting on him to respond to from a few weeks back.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not what we're discussing.

We’re discussing if Michael Young is a good 3d baseman right now, which he’s not. Whether he will be because of Cal Ripken’s experiences is completely irrelevant.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

benmor

Did you expect MYoung to be a good 3B 68 games into the season and if so, why?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

But what does Cal Ripken have to do with it, anyway? Are Michael Young and Cal Ripken comparable players?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we're both on board in believing that

MYoung is not a good 3B right now and that it would have been foolish for anybody to believe he would be.

Who said Cal Ripken & MYoung were comparable?

Cal Ripken, who also made the transition from SS to 3B late in his career and has a much better perspective in evaluating skillsets than any spare in here, said he believed Young had the skillset to make the transition but expected it to take at least 100 games.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam and many others here

said pretty much the same thing, that Young had the skill set to be ok over there, or at least less of a liability than at SS, and no one here expected him to be good right away (if ever). Why are we having this discussion?

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry tball

Cal Ripken Jr.‘s opinion means more to me than AJM’s.

Nothing personal, Adam.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone ask ARod?

He’s also nothing like Michael Young, does not have comparable skillsets to him, and switched from short to third. Maybe his opinion matters.

Or maybe we should ask Mark DeRosa, who’s played both short and third, how long it took him. Hell, let’s ask every player who’s ever switched positions, regardless of whether they’re comparable or not!

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also find it hilarious that many in here

have talked about how fans should be far more understanding of the Donuts gm learning curve yet not so much when it comes to being patient with MYoung learning how to play one of the more difficult positions in baseball.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You keep going farther and farther afield...

from the original point. Michael Young isn’t a good third baseman right now, we agree on that. So what does that have to do with JD’s learning curve? We weren’t even discussing that.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did

Josey Donuts run away from the question?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've been a baseball fan a long time

yet still seem to be in the beginning stages of a massive learning curve. We’ll try to be more patient.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben

I heard that someone here does troll rankings usually. When and where? I think we have two excellent candidates coming to the forefront in Josey Donuts and Finnerty.Fan

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dr. pepper does them.

I like Josey Donuts as a nickname.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do as well

Josey Donuts it is ha.

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on board with this.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Done.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody has a sock puppet called Dr. Pepper

(circumstantial evidence seems to point to it being agreen07) that has been used to do troll rankings in the past, but they’ve never actually been serious.

Heck, one time I think Ben got voted in as top troll.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you use firefox, my advice is just to d/l and use AB03's troll script

http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/5/3/863636/ignore-script

Although blocking Josey can make it more difficult to scroll through threads in which he’s shitting all over (when the script blocks a comment, it blocks the ability to scroll through it as well, you have to double-tap the “z” button) you can at least be rid of the likes of finnerty.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I'm a troll because I champion

Michael Young?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

that’s not the reason.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josey Donuts, you're a troll

because all of your posts spin every happenstance to serve your anti-Daniels agenda.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Donuts became muchless of

a problem on February 6, 2008.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the reason.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any plans for a new video soon?

I can’t wait to see this conversation go in there.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction,

you gained a new, convenient way to explain good moves by the Rangers’ front office on that date.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're really not close.

Josey understands the game, he just pushes buttons. It actually leads to good discussions a lot of times.

Fin’s bit is obvious. He tries to talk shit so he can call up Sully and the plagiarizing guy, and say, “Check out LSB, I’m ripping these guys, I even took on Newberg”. It’s kinda like Anthony Michael Hall in ‘Sixteen Candles’. He was a dork nobody liked, but there were two bigger dorks that looked up to him.

Only difference, Hall was funny.

"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."

by scoop16 on Jun 23, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very well put.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct that first paragraph.

Josey understands what happens on the field fairly well, I’ll give him that. He just does not have even the most basic understanding of how the organization as a whole operates or how a front office works and how to evaluate what they do. He sucks abysmally at the big picture.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or anything involving the

use of numeric analysis. Good ideas, right intent, poor execution.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 23, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmmm...."the big picture"

20 games into 2004, I said based on the Ranger run differential I expected them to win between 88-92 games (they won 89).

After 2004, I said the Rangers were in big trouble based on what ownership was doing. They haven’t been over .500 since and attendance went into a death spiral (particularly after Donuts was given the keys to the car).

I said the 2005-06 teams would be a couple of games on either side of .500 before the seasons.

I said the 2007 team had 75 win talent in January ’07 (they won 75 games).

I said throughout the 2008 season, even when the team was 60-54 that the team was a fraud (based on run differential, walks allowed, errors committed) and very likely to finish below .500 (they finished 79-83).

I’m not perfect (see predictions before this season) but I’m not bad when it comes to the “big picture.”

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't it be cool if you could actually prove all of that?

That way, I don’t have to take some message board spare’s word for it that he predicted all this stuff.

by Inkara1 on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

expecting a transition is one thing

but no one, not even the biggest MY haters thought he would be this bad imho

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the shit-head GM gave MY that contract

JD may do a lot of things but he doesn’t sign the checks. I’m not absolving JD for that contract and it could very well have been his idea but the big guy had to ultimately approve.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course you're going to absolve him for the Young contract,

the Tex offer, the trade of AG/CYoung (that was Buck’s fault), the trade of Soriano (it was the best offer he had), the trade of Danks (that was the fault of our scouts), the Dice-K, Hunter and Zito offers (that was Tom Hicks)…

…you have to absolve him because to blame it on Donuts would call his competency into question.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geez man, one innocent comment and you go on a rant

The trades are all JD in my opinion. Some good, some bad, some OK at the time. As far as FA contract offers it’s probably a collaboration between the interests of the club and financial interests.

The thing about MY is that you were dealing with FOTF. That decision probably had a good deal to do with concern of casual fan backlash should the Rangers not hold on to FOTF. There might have been influences in that contract that had very little to do with whether MY could provide league average production through the life of that contract. That said, we’re all talking out of our asses (you included) when it comes to why a decision was made except for the fact that Hicks thought MY was FOTF.

As an aside, the Rangers made a very reasonable bid for Dice-K but were completely blown out of the water by a bid from left field (have you seen his performance lately?). I’m also glad the Rangers didn’t outbid for Hunter or Zito.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given that we supposedly had "A 5 Step Plan" (somebody came down from the moutaintop with this written on a stone tablet so it has to be true)...

this team had no business making offers to Zito, Hunter, Dice-K.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can see the agreement with hunter, yes

but zito/diceK are/were seen at the time as TORPs who were both young/entering their primes

when you can get that you go after that

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to say the same thing

Dice-K yes, Zito maybe, Torri no. When I heard about Boston’s bid on Dice-K I was stunned and later hearing the Rangers bid I thought it was imminently reasonable.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

remind me what the rangers offer/bid was again?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was 30-35 million

It was the second highest offer

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About $27 mil

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's right without looking it up

I remember thinking the Red Sox about doubled the Rangers bid ($51 or $52 MM?). And that was just a bid to negotiate with him.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill James made an offer to Dice -K

We’re just trying to do as Bill James does

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

it was Theo Epstein who made the offer to Dice-K but they have a payroll that makes room for margins of error .

Have I mentioned the Bosox won two World Series after hiring Bill James?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know

everyone here is just as well aware of Bill James and his work as you are. You continue to try to posture yourself as some kind of sage. Everyone else here knows just as much about baseball as you do, you’re just not that special.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill James knows all

You think Theo didn’t ask Bill James for his opinion? That’d be pretty stupid considering James is the greatest baseball mind of the past 50 years.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

You’ve got this down, Gdawg ..

You’re rocking a game score of 7,500% when you mock Josey Donut.

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have I mentioned they have a payroll of $122 MM?

And their 2007 25 man payroll was $143 MM? Teams with far smaller payrolls have also won the WS. You’re right that more money allows for more errors but that doesn’t mean you can’t win with a smaller payroll.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young contract

I’m gonna go ahead and presume that the contract was not JD’s idea. That was, in my opinion, purely Hicks’ idea.

Now JD negotiated the contract and it was probably a case where he was between MY wanting to go and Hicks wanting him to stay at all costs (since losing MY and Tex at once would be PR suicide) and that’s why the contract was as bad as it is.

And of course this is all supposition whereas your statements are all supposition as well

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Jun 23, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

It’s never Donuts’ fault.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's always Donuts' fault!

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what I say about my gut

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ron?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baxter?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The great part about this new nickname

is that it introduces ambiguity to the board, which ruins Josey’s bit.

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not presuming anything

Daniels liked that contract for some reason or he wouldn’t have signed off on it. It was a mistake, but obviously he and the rest of the front office decided to go ahead with it on the basis of Young being part of the core they wanted to lock up. Even considering the market was very different at that time, the contract was for way too much money. It looks even worse in hindsight than it did at the time.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out of curiosity

Do you think if JD didn’t like the contract he could’ve/would’ve stood up to Hicks and said NO WAY?

I don’t think he could’ve quite honestly, but again, this is all opinion.

And no Josey, JD is not infallible. But in your black and white scenario we’re either with you or hopeless JD apologists….

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Jun 23, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the contract

fits in with Daniels’ basic philosophy and the 5-year plan. They considered Young a core player and an important leader, worth more than his numbers on the field. By and large I think they do a good job of mixing character and talent, and resigning Young was a fine idea, they just overdid it by about $20 million.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

josey

do you expect him to be anywhere near league average by the end of the year

because for him to be league average by the end of the year he would have to play very good defense over the last 62 games of the year

and i simply dont believe it will happen

anyway, the whole 100 games thing i thought was dumbdumbdumb — so if he takes 1000 balls a day at 3b, should it still take him 100 games? what if he only takes 100/day? more than 100 games? — the 100 games is an abitrary number, why isnt it 81 games?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who's a spare?

is that the new slang for “loser?”

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he is ok at third

but not great. A C rating, but for his first half season isnt that pretty good?

And 85 wins probably can win this division, which would be 85-77 or 8 games above .500

I would rather see 87-75, or even 90 wins… but who knows.

This is our year.

http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look

by PM Productions on Jun 23, 2009 8:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MY

Dead last among MLB 3B’s in both UZR (-9.8) and UZR/150 (-21.3) according to Fangraphs, and according to Joey’s defensive barometer from yesterday, -14 runs in plus/minus.

At best, I think you could say Mikey Baseball gets a D minus at third base.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As Joey said at his site

MY is -2 going to his right and -11 to his left. Sounds like MY is playing closer to the line. It was speculated last year that Kinsler played more to his right thus hurting his defensive scores on balls hit to his left. We know MY has poor lateral movement so he should be playing closer to the line. Don’t expect Young to ever get positive numbers from the defensive metrics.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
We know MY has poor lateral movement so he should be playing closer to the line. Don’t expect Young to ever get positive numbers from the defensive metrics.

Isn’t this just a glossy way of saying Michael Young just isn’t a good defensive player?

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not trying to say

MY is a good defensive player. But I don’t think he is as bad as the numbers indicate. Don’t know about Dewan’s +/-, but UZR doesn’t take into account player positioning among other things.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You shouldn't take into account

player positioning. If a player is positioned badly, that should count against the player.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just typing the same thing.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if thats where hes being told to position himself?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we should have a Wash UZR

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And with Elvis at SS

Mike may be lining up closer to the line because he knows Elvis has the range to cover so much area

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This gets to my question that I have never really had answered

if Young is not making plays that Elvis is making, that obvious helps Elvis’s fielding scores, but does it hurt Young’s?

Because from my perspective, I don’t care if Young isn’t making plays that Elvis makes.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

Same with bigsteve. Maybe MY isn’t a great defender but if Elvis is covering the area then we’re still looking at a net gain on the left side of the field plus Ian isn’t shading to his left so the right side is improved.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it has more to do with his reactions than Elvis

His reactions have been poor this year, so he lines up closer to the line to give himself a better chance at a shot down the chalk.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HIs reactions are definitely slow

But how do we know he is lining up so close to the line because of that and not because the coaches have told him to because of Elvis’ range at SS?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because as good as Elvis is, he doesn't cover third base

You can have a guy all the range in the world at short (which Elvis pretty much does), but I seriously doubt it’ll make the coaches push their third baseman toward the line. That just doesn’t make any sense. Your 3B still has to cover ground to his left regardless of who’s at short.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he doesn't have to cover as much

And since he doesn’t have to cover as much then you try and take away the most damaging hits. Liners down the line go for doubles. Grounders in the hole are singles. If Micheal Young is better positioned closer to the line to take away doubles and we give up a handful more singles throughout he year thats fine. Regardless of what his UZR or whatever tells you

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

But like Joey observed yesterday, he’s been worst of all on balls hit directly at him. So I’m not sure positioning him toward the line to catch hard smashes is going to make much of a difference.

Really what this all comes back too though, is the fact that Michael Young has the reactions of a tree stump at third base. Whether it’s doubles or singles, the bottom line is he costs us hits over there. And I don’t really see the use in trying to sugarcoat it with excuses about his defensive positioning. If he didn’t suck, we wouldn’t have to put him in special defensive positions that cost us hits in an attempt to prevent others.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am just trying to add some perspective

to the numbers. He is a below avg thirdbaseman. But, I don’t think he will end up being the worst 3B in baseball.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he's got a pretty big headstart on everyone numbers wise.

But we’ll see.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Combine Elvis' range

and MY’s poor lateral movement and it is smart to move him closer to the line so that he gives up less 2Bs down the line. Why doesn’t that make sense. Play to your players strengths and weaknesses.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is the smart thing to do.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t MY at something like -27 UZR just a month or so ago? If he’s down to -9.8, doesn’t that indicate some level of improvement?

by Athos on Jun 23, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

UZR is a counting stat

It could indicate improvement, or it could just be that the sample size is increasing and the law of averages is beginning to apply more. Or both.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're mixing the numbers

One of those was current, the other per/150 games. Right now his /150 is -21.3, so I guess there’s been some small improvement, though it could just be sss fluctuation at this point. I wish they had a graph for that.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not mixing numbers. Earlier in the season his regular UZR was comically bad. Now it is still bad, but much, much less so. He’s obviously improving. I’m just wondering if, sometime in the future, he gets to the middle of the pack or maybe even has a positive UZR or +/- or whatever is the current rock star defensive stat, if folks around here will admit that he is a capable defender and that there was an adjustment phase when he transitioned into a third baseman.

Needless to say, I’m not holding my breath on that being the case (though I do expect him to improve to at least a middle of the pack defensive third baseman at some point).

by Athos on Jun 23, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think MY eventually

ends up somehwere between -7 and -3 according to the defensive metrics.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant there are two numbers

current UZR, and UZR per 150. You cited the current UZR (-9.8) but the -27 a month or so ago was the per 150 game pace, not the current total at that time.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're wrong on that.

I think a month ago the UZR per 150 was at something really outrageous like -89.

by Athos on Jun 23, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't think so

It hasn’t moved nearly that much, it’s stayed pretty close to what it is right now, which is the worst in baseball. He’d had to mess up every single chance for a long time to get to -89. I think he could do better than that on one leg. On May 8, according to Joey’s report at BBTIA, his UZR was -5.8, and there is just no way that translates to a -89/150.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is he the worst defensive 3b in baseball?

who is worse (overall) than him in plus/minus?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Dewan has come out with any numbers for this year.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahh

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I think he has

and they might be on Bill James’ site. Dewan posted this last week about the top defenders so far:
http://actasports.com/sow.php?id=214

And this about what role defense has played so far in the Rangers’ season a couple weeks ago:
http://actasports.com/sow.php?id=211

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that the Plus/Minus

is accessible if you have a subscription to James’ site, but since I don’t, I can’t confirm. Anyone?

Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.

by Snark on Jun 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

duh, I knew that

So MY is regressing at 3B

May UZR 7 +/ – (-10)
Jun UZR -9.8 +/
(-14)

BBTiA May D stats

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't know why

that happened

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

85 wins

is not going to do shat.

It usually takes at least 90 wins to nail a division and this year should be no different.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we are close to 85 wins that means we are playing meaningful baseball in September

Which is a nice change of pace and more than we could have hoped for at the beginning of the season

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really think the Angels are gonna win 90 games?

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the AL West division winner is going to win at least 90 games.

Who that team is right now is a mystery guest.

It’s not gonna be the Texas Rangers if they keep running out a 1B with less than a .250 obp.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the Angels have got their problems too

Lackey’s pitching below par, something’s clearly wrong with Santana, and they’ve got the highest bullpen ERA in the majors.

Seattle’s offense is one of the bottom four in baseball.

I don’t really see either of those two teams winning 90 games. Not saying they can’t beat us, but I don’t really think it’s gonna take 90 games to win this division.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you win 87 games your gonna be within 2-3 games of division winners, if not division winners

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

One division almost always has a 85-87 win team win it.

08 – Dodgers 84 wins
07 – Cubs 85 wins
06 – Cards 83 wins
05 – Padres 82 wins

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do all of those teams have in common?

They don’t play in the men’s league.

In the men’s league, otherwise known as the American League, it almost always takes 90 wins ( with a couple of exceptions).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no offense

but the AL west is not that much better than then NL west was last year

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about

our own ’98 Texas Rangers with their 88 wins.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So since the Wild Card concept has been introduced

how many AL division winners have had less than 90 wins?

3?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat.

He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No bet, Cave.

From ‘96-08 there have been, what 39 division titles won and I think there have been only 3 AL teams (’97 Tribe, ’98 Rangers, ’08 WSox) that were able to bag a title with less than 90 wins.

As a Ranger fan or dipshit GM, it would be foolish to think 85 wins is going to get it done.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So right now you are at 94% chance of winning the bet but won't take it?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bigsteve

I don’t make internet bets, regardless of my odds.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course not

I bet him before the season that the Rangers would win 79 or more games. Terms: Loser goes home (no more posting on LSB). No bet because he is just the type of guy that makes claims just to make them.

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those 79 wins aren't in the bank just yet, Cave.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think this club can win 42 games over its remaining 94?

That’s not exactly asking them to carry a 2001 Seattle Mariners winning pace the rest of the way.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTA

I think the Rangers are a very good bet to win at least 42 more games this year but it is not a given.

There’s a reason that PECOTA & Vegas both thought this team would win 72-74 games this year.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was before this year

lets see what PECOTA says about the rangers when they update it @ the AS break

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute - I made that bet

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well if you are so sure

then make the bet. Same terms as last time.

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cave

Who really gives a damn if you’re here or not?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not that many

ppl however im sure there would be a lot of ppl who wouldnt mind not having to hear “donuts”, etc all the time. Thus the bet is more addition by subtraction.

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would go down as the martyr of martyrs.

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure a lot of people care

He actually adds something to discussions here and isn’t a douchebag. Non-douchebags are always welcome.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always love...

how you pull out a statistic or fact as if you were holding it in that wise brain of yours, when the internet means that info is easily available to everyone. Why pretend that you’re pulling these facts out of thin air?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thin air?

Most of us understand that major league standings are readily availablle.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Post interrupted

I was going to say: This isnt old yet? Nice contribution, Stay Puft. Reminding people we are in first place we make them forget that we aren’t playing well. I get it. Smart.

by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

go the fuck away

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 23, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

At this point: troll script, FTW.

Love ya, ab.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Because you cant handle it? Because you and GDawg like to have gif making sleep-overs? Give me a break. Just ignore me if you cant handle it, ab03.

by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

what is your deal about mentioning people posting pictures or gifs

it isn’t old yet?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Jun 23, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even think...

I’ve ever seen ab post a gif.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 23, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's because

He’s too skinny. (that’s not old yet for me)

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

once again, I'm on the outside

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

F-Fan

said Moscoso was too skinny to be a prospect, or something like that.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said Moscoso

wasnt a legit prospect. One of the reasons I stated was his slender frame in direct correlation to his durability issues. It’s not that ridiculous, in my opinion.

by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you even know what his injuries were?

Are you a doctor?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I know what his injuries were

No, I’m not a doctor. Is that it? Is that really your response?

by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well if you aren't a doctor, then you should shut the fuck up

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."

by scoop16 on Jun 23, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is that?

Why do I have to be a doctor to express an opinion on a player? I am aware of Moscoso’s injury history and I’m aware of his physical limitations. I’m also aware that most people think his long term role is in the pen because of these limitations. I’m not sure why this upsets you so much.

by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, that isn't overly ridiculous

but stating that Moscoso isn’t legit might get you a swirlie if you ever come around my parts

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that ridiculous

but I for one like seeing how angry you can get when we hammer away at your blog.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I take things personally

I decided to work on it and then I scratched that and decided to get angrier. I’ll find a happy medium eventually.

Thanks for admitting that its not that ridiculous. You are a bigger man than most.

by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should take things personally

Your shitty blog is a direct reflection on you as a human being. Are you a eunuch?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly, that doesn't mean anything

If Finnerty hasn’t heard of him, he’s got to be a crappy player.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Whatever, Gdawg. Once again, you are on the outside looking in.

Shitty blog? Yeah, probably.

The blog being a direct reflection on me as a human being? That’s a stretch. Even you can do better than that.

Me being a eunuch? Sure, why not. Castration isn’t exactly my bag, but…. (that was for t ball)

Although, I might add, if its being used in the ineffectual sense, I think my presence on this site argues that case for me. Perhaps not.

by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking baseball prospect discourse personally and then getting angrier

Is not exactly a healthy way to go about life.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its getting there

I figured I could throw it out there a few more times, though.

by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ive never seeen a fan bitch about being in first place before

what about the byline of the blog “angriest first place team in baseball” — are you gonna smash that?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was I bitching about being in first place

or was I bitching about Rodney’s ridiculousness? I think I was pretty clear. My point was that Stay Puft can continue to shout from the rooftops that we are in first place, but that doesnt change the fact that we arent playing very well right now. It’s not all sunshine and roses, Mr. OutKing.

by Finnerty.Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if all he's saying is that we're in first place

and we are in fact, in first place, then where is he wrong. Why should he be schooled by the great Finnerty?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trip, is that you?

What don’t I get. One person stated we are in first place. Is he wrong? Did he say a single thing about how we’re playing?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be very careful here.

Threatening a minor is a State Jail Felony in Texas.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well then

Might as well not be a bitch and go the whole way with it

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why do you think he is saying we are playing well at all?

First Place Mother Effin’ Texas Rangers!!! …The Tide Turneth…

the tide turneth alone is saying that we HAVE been playing bad — and no one thinks it is sunshine and roses btw

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your optimism

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

REC

Rodney do we have to clip your Angel of Death wings?

Ed McMahon is dead. May he rest in peace!

"You're going to love my nuts"

Vince from slap chop

by BigGuns on Jun 23, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ed McMahon

best gig ever?

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prolly close, just sit there and smile, do a bit of voice work.

86? I’ll take that, as I thought when I heard the news about 6:30am this morning.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the tonight show

all I remember is him announcing Johnny, then just smiling and laughing at his jokes.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes sir it was all fun and games until that last hot wife came along..

and took him to the cleaners to the point the house went into foreclosure…

http://www.tmz.com/2008/06/17/eds-wife-shopping-him-into-the-poorhouse/

"You're going to love my nuts"

Vince from slap chop

by BigGuns on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always interesting to see

how guys who made gobs of money were able to piss it away.

I gotta believe wives and ex-wives are near the top of the list.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember sylvester stallone once saying that the key to schwarznegger's success

staying married to one wife. Didn’t hurt she was from a pretty powerful family that was indepenently wealthy – might decrease the chances of a wife cutting and running.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jun 23, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Key to succes for Ahnold and Sly Stallone

Steroids by the bushel basket.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buy-'n-Bulk!

¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!

"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Hah! You are correct, sir!"

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct Sir!

x

Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador

by Parman on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am glad the Rangers don' thave to play the Rockies this year.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nice.

Ian Kinsler..... yea, he's good at baseball.

by bspate on Jun 23, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well done

Rec’d for your efforts

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Random observation:

The game starts at 8:40 PM Texas time tonight. I guess they’re on mountain time, but… odd.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding.

Just makes the time slot seem more like a west coast game, which means people on eastern and central time get to stay up later. You’d think MLB would want to schedule nighttime west coast/mountain time games earlier whenever possible, but… guess not.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phoenix traffic is bad

maybe wanting to wait so they can sell more tix?

by texasraider on Jun 23, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah when I lived there

they always started their games later than normal. Now they have a light rail system so traffic shouldn’t be as terrible, but I’m sure that’s the reason.

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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thus, the 7:40 start time

for all the Arizonans who just don’t know what the fuck time it is.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's 6:40 Pacific Time...

Since Arizona is lined up with Pacific Time in the summer, it’s 6:40 Phoenix time.

by Inkara1 on Jun 23, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, yeah

whatever, clock boy. I’ll be working anyway, unfortunately, until about 9:00.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be working covering the little league tournament of stars

the local little league district has a “tournament of stars” to be able to get more kids on postseason rosters than would be possible with the all-star tournament. The TOS teams from here play TOS teams from other cities within the district, and the winner gets a little banner and bragging rights but doesn’t advance to another tournament like the all-star tournament winners do.

by Inkara1 on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Troy Glaus anyone?

From Rosenthal, use at your own risk.

If the Cardinals deal him, they’d likely have to pay a portion of his $11.25MM salary. Rosenthal names the Rangers, Mets, Giants, Braves, Tigers and Mariners as teams that could have interest in Glaus at first or as a DH.

Don’t know if the Cardinals need a LH bat, but, Blalock and a middling prospect for Glaus?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

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by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Cards need Blalock

even less than they need Glaus. I’m not very interested in Glaus anyway.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting

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by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'd have to be paying pretty much all of his salary for me to consider that

But his numbers look pretty good. And it would make a fun story to win the division with ex-Angel great Troy Glaus helping out with the playoff drive.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's a solid righty bat

seems like he’d be a fine addition if he’d cost less than a guy like Johnson.

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by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But how healthy is he?

and is he enough of an upgrade over Blalock/Jones/whatever combo they put at 1B/DH to justify the cost in prospects?

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he'd be the bat that would take the place of CD on our roster

I wouldnt mind giving him the majority of the playing time at 1B with Blalock getting partial time there and about half the ABs at DH with AJ getting the other half… Im not sure if he has to be a significant upgrade over Blalock to be valueable in that scenerio, and even then, I think he is an upgrade over Blalock if only from a definite increase in on base %…

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by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, health is the big question

And now that I do the reading up, his timetable still sounds sketchy – “sometime between the ASB and August first” apparently.

If he where extremely cheap in both prospects and salary he’d be a nice risk to take (and a much better compliment to Hank at 1B/DH than Andruw) but he’s not worth giving up anything of real value for, and we don’t have the money to take a salary dump.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely think

we need Glaus to go with Grilli so we can answer the time honored question.

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by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

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by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would the Cards trade Glaus

when they are in a playoff race and have Joe Thurston, Brian Barden, David Freese, and now apparently Khalil Green starting games at 3b? I think the Cards need Glaus a lot more than we do.

There's more to the picture than meets the eye.

by tricer on Jun 23, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably because Glaus has a bum shoulder

And like Hank, can’t play 3B anymore.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 23, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're worried

he can’t throw, kind of like the situation with Blalock.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trying to stay optimistic

Remember when the Rangers were 3.5-5 games up on the Angels in mid-May?
Angels fans were snickering at that lead. Saying:
“We start the season with a load of good players on the DL and all the Rangers can muster is a measly 3.5 game lead”

So well, our hitting has sucked for all of June, had Hamilton on the DL and we we’re still on top (albeit with a 1 game lead).

I’m not saying we’re gonna win the division if we keep playing like this. But I just think that once our hitting comes back, once Josh Hamilton comes back, we’ll have a pretty good shot to make the playoffs.

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by chrisR on Jun 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No...

you will say we are going to win this division, and you will LIKE IT!!!

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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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