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Fun With Numbers, or, the Rangers Couldn't Hit Water if They Fell Out of a Freaking Boat

Texas Rangers' Ian Kinsler strikes out against Chicago White Sox pitcher John Danks in the fifth inning during an MLB baseball game in Chicago, Saturday, May, 09, 2009. Chicago won 3-2. (AP Photo/Paul Beaty)

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6 months ago: Texas Rangers' Ian Kinsler strikes out against Chicago White Sox pitcher John Danks in the fifth inning during an MLB baseball game in Chicago, Saturday, May, 09, 2009. Chicago won 3-2. (AP Photo/Paul Beaty)

So I'm looking at B-R's pitch breakdown for A.L. teams this season, and I discover a couple of interesting items...

First of all, the Rangers are in the middle of the pack in terms of pitches seen per plate appearance.  This surprised me, because of how hacktastic the offense has been this year.

But drilling down in the data reveals that that number really isn't as positive as it seems...the Rangers are 4th in the A.L. in percentage of pitches that they see that are strikes (that is, are either swung at and missed, taken for a strike, fouled off, or put into play).

That's not good, obviously.  But it gets worse.

The Rangers are dead last in percentage of pitches taken for strikes, at 24%.  The top three teams are at 32%, 31%, and 30%, respectively, and everyone else is at 27 to 29 percent.  The gap between the Rangers and the 13th team in the A.L. in percentage of pitches taken for strikes is as large as the gap between the 13th team and the 3rd team.

The Rangers are first in swinging strikes, and again, this is by a mile.  20% of strikes for Rangers batters are swings and misses.  The Devil Rays are 2nd, at 16%, and the Yankees are last, at 11%.  Everyone else is between 12 and 15%. 

The Rangers are 5th in foul ball percentage, and 12th in in play percentage, which means that, while they are swinging at a ton of pitches, they are putting a lower percentage of them in play than almost any other team.

Boil it down, and the Rangers are swinging at 48% of the pitches that they see, again the highest percentage in the A.L. by a healthy margin.  Boston and New York swing at the lowest percentages, at 41% and 42%, respectively.

The Rangers only make contact 74% of the time when they swing, as well.  This is, once again, dead last in the A.L.  Tampa is next to last, at 78%, and Toronto is tops in the A.L., at 84%.

Swinging at the first pitch?  The Rangers are first again, swinging at 33 percent of first pitches.  Once again, Boston and New York have the lowest percentages, at 21% and 23%, and Tampa is 2nd, at 28%. 

The gulf between Texas and whoever is next in each of these categories is amazing.

Not surprisingly, the Rangers have seen fewer 3-0 counts (111) than any other team in the A.L..  The next closest team is Seattle, which has seen 124 3-0 counts.

So you'd expect the Rangers to also be dead last in 3-0 count swings, right?  Wrong...they are 3rd in the A.L., swinging 11 times on 3-0.  Only the Angels (17) and Twins (12) have swung more often on 3-0.

Not surprisingly, the same pattern emerges on 2-0 counts...the Rangers have seen the fewest 2-0 counts in the A.L., and have swung on 2-0 the second-highest number of times.

This blows me away.  I mean, I've been watching the games, and it has certainly seemed like the Rangers are swinging away way too much...but I had no idea that the 2009 Ranger offense was such an outlier in that regard.

And it is particularly remarkable when you compare it to last year's offense.  The 2008 Rangers made contact on the highest percentage of swings in the A.L., at 82%.  They were near the bottom of the league in percentage of strikes, at 61%.  And in the course of a season, that has completely turned around.

So yeah, when you hear all the talk about the team wanting to be patient and work the counts and all that, understand, so far, it has all been b.s.  This team has dramatically regressed in regards to plate discipline, and appears to have abandoned the Ron Washington "work the count" philosophy in favor of swinging at anything that moves.

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The Rangers are dead last in percentage of pitches taken for strikes, at 24%.

Is there something negative about swinging at strikes? Is the implication that if you take borderline strikes, that you get better strikes later in the at bat? Maybe I’m missing something, and watching the games sure makes it seem like we should be more patient, but I’m having a hard time understanding how it would be better to take more pitches that are strikes – that puts the batter in pitchers counts and would seem to be a detriment.

There's more to the picture than meets the eye.

by tricer on Jun 23, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

>>>s there something negative about swinging at strikes?<<<
Yes

Not all strikes are (that) hittable. Every hitter has strengths and weaknesses within the strike zone. If they swing at a large number of strikes they’re almost certainly swinging at a lot of pitches that are not pitches they can do a lot with.

Just cause it’s a strike doesn’t mean it’s a good pitch to swing at.

by gr7070 on Jun 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you swing at every pitch that would be called a strike...

…you are never going to draw a walk, and you are going to end up hitting a lot of balls weakly as a result of making poor contact on pitches that aren’t very hittable.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 23, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Kins and others are very guilty of the 2nd part in particular

they love to just fling their bat at the ball low and away that they have no chance of hitting

actually, now that i say that…they dont fling their bat at it, they try to pull it and hit it like crap or miss….still the same shitty result

by Horns130 on Jun 23, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a good illustration
they love to just fling their bat at the ball low and away that they have no chance of hitting

of that in the picture above. Tough to see how Ian would have hit the ball hard, even if he had made contact, from that position.

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by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I haven't heard it much this year.
So yeah, when you hear all the talk about the team wanting to be patient and work the counts and all that, understand, so far, it has all been b.s.

I have heard Michael say, paraphrasing, that patience isn’t the issue, and the team just needs more energy. He pretty much scoffed at the notion of patience at the plate and waiting for your pitch.

There is your team leader and Face of the Franchise.

It’d be nice if the team had a strong, leader like person who actually saw the value in working the count.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

FOTF
He pretty much scoffed at the notion of patience at the plate and waiting for your pitch.

So Michael Young doesn’t believe in waiting for his pitch.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jun 23, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MY's hitting approach has always seemed to be "put the ball in play"

Kind of like the LAA hitting policy. It doesn’t mean he swings at everything, but he swings at anything he feels he have a decent chance of getting a hit on, even if he doesn’t think the pitch is a strike. On the other ahnd, if he doesn’t think he can hit something, he is willing to take strikes. In fact, the only regulars on the team that takes more pitches in the strike zone are Andrus, Murphy, Teagarden, and Vizquel. Everybody swings at more strikes than MY.

The “trying to get on base via BB” is just not MY’s thing. He is trying to get on with hits. I don’t think he is capable of changing that at the moment, nor would he want to at this point in his career.

by Telegraph on Jun 23, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why

he generally has mediocre OBPs despite a high average, and ends up being a fairly middling offensive producer.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find him very similar to Ichiro

Ichiro has a higher BA obviously, so thus always has a higher OBP, but he doesn’t take walks either. Both are guys who seek to get on base via the single – though Young throws a few more doubles and homers in there to make up for the lower OBP, while Ichiro has the speed to “turn a few of his singles into doubles” with steals.

Obviously, with defense and speed considered, Ichiro is the better player. But I’ve always thought Ichiro was overrated (and overpaid) for the same reasons Young is, though both are who they are and pretty good for being that type of player.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

all things considered

i think every team in the MLB would take ichiro over young

even without speed considered, ichiro is a better player
ichiro helps them quite a bit in the japanese market (very popular overseas)

in fact, i cant think of a single position i would rather have michael young up at the plate than ichiro

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, I am not disagreeing with you on that point

I just think that expecting him to adopt the “get on base via BB” approach is like expecting a giraffe to ride a unicycle, or to expect thriving colonies of ostriches in Antarctica.

by Telegraph on Jun 23, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walks

At least they have patient hitters who can rely on their BB to keep the offense working.

Thanks Rudy!

by gr7070 on Jun 23, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Rangers did well last season

I don’t really understand the Rudy hate

by BuckyB on Jun 23, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was Milton's offense last season.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First pitch swings

What are the Rangers’ slash stats when swinging at the first pitch? I’ve found it by player on a couple sites, but I haven’t seen it for the entire team.

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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 23, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This analysis

Needs to be printed out and tacked up on the team bulletin board – and in the restroom – and in the shower – and in each players’ mailbox. Maybe include a headline note that reads “it isn’t everybody else, it’s everybody in here”.

This doesn’t describe a slump. A slump is when you do worse than usual, or expected, because of consecutive poor matchups or situational breaks of the game. This describes a general failure to compete at an acceptable level. That’s a hellova lot more mindset than just getting bad results from good effort.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

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by Ed Coffin on Jun 23, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh

I am going to assume the players are smart enough to realize this…

i just dont think they give a shit and think it is ultimately irrelevant

by Horns130 on Jun 23, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some Quotes from Rangers Hitters

Marlon Byrd

Every player goes up to the plate with a plan. “It’s a simple one, too,” Byrd said. “You get your pitch, you hit it. What we’re not doing is executing that. It’s not just about seeing pitches and staying patient. It’s about execution. If we hit our pitch, we’ll be successful. We’re not doing that.”

Indirect quote for Ian Kinsler

That isn’t likely to change any time soon. Kinsler stresses that patient at-bats don’t necessarily mean good at-bats,

Face of the Franchise

“We have a young lineup and guys are learning how to make adjustments,” Young said. “We play offense as a team, so we have to help each other get though this. As a team, we’re not going to panic.”

Young said it’s easy to say the team has to be more patient. He thinks that’s overanalyzing things.

“You want to be patient, but at the same time you don’t want to go up there with the bat on your shoulder and be facing 0 and 2 counts,” Young said. “All of this comes with experience. It’s just a matter of time.”

I think the clubhouse is actively stressing that their motto is see the ball, hit the ball, and that patience has nothing to do with the Rangers approach.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bah, messed up the last quote

it should go for 3 paragraphs.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a straw poll here

who thinks that being patient means going up there and taking until you get 2 strikes…

anyone?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the point

The point is that they’re swinging at crap. Pure, unrefined, uncut shit.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most obvious difference between last year's and this year's lineups

is personnel, the absence of Milton Bradley and Josh Hamilton. Not that Hamilton seemed particularly selective in his at bats this year but Bradley certainly had huge OBP. And perhaps Hamilton’s impact in the middle of the lineup was to get other players more pitches that they could make contact with.

by 1-4-06 on Jun 23, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Which year is the Rangers?

Over the last 10 years how do these numbers look? Is 08 or 09 the aberation? I would assume that they both are to some extent, but that the Rangers also align more closely to 09 this decade.

I’d be curious what the numbers said. Of course I’m more curious to read what someone else has determined the numbers to be. ;-)

by gr7070 on Jun 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From an OBP standpoint

last year was an aberration.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That might be right

I looked at this last year sometime to make a point and I couldn’t justify it. It seems like they’re all over the place from year to year.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were the 2nd best team in the AL

for OPB last year. Most of the time they are mid pack. Their OPB was about 20-30 points over most of the Ranger teams of the last decade.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was thinking

Now that I think of it, I think I did post it. My research was supposed to show that Rudy’s aggressive style hurt OBP but history didn’t support it. Probably still doesn’t.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, when I looked at it

it tends to say that from an OPB point of view, Rudy’s teams aren’t great, but they aren’t bad.

I probably should have looked at it from an OPB-BA standpoint, to see if there OPB was midpack only because their AVG was far above average. However, that would have required me to build a DB to check it, and that was too much like work.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Rudy years

AL average rankings for the Rangers under Rudy

‘95-’09…………..‘03-’09
R/gm……5…………..4
avg………6…………..8
bb………..7…………..8
obp………6…………..8
slg……….4…………..3

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the only thing that really stands out

is the above average SLG and the above average R/Gm.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I don’t know how painful it is to watch, but it sure is painful to listen to.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 23, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trying too hard

All signs to me point to a team trying too hard, pressing.

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by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Current Ranger obp is .318 (No Longer Feisty Hillmans are at .317)

I wonder how many teams in recent history have finished above .500 with an obp below .320?

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by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The last team to finish over .500 with an OBP below .320...

was the 2003 LA Dodgers who finished the year with a .303 OBP, but still won 85 games. However, I really don’t think the Rangers will spend the whole season down that far.

by Redcaps on Jun 23, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't pay attention to the NL in this regard

because they let pitchers hit.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you should have asked how many teams in the AL finished above .500 with an OBP below .320, then.

You asked how many teams in recent history and Redcaps told you which team was the most recent to do it. Last I checked, the Dodgers were still a team.

by Inkara1 on Jun 23, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Josey Donuts

doesnt get the answer he wants then he changes the question.

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this moniker sticks, it could be shortened to JD.

Poetic justice, anyone?

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by Rodney on Jun 23, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So sayeth the message board cock

who can’t do much but crow “First place mother effin Rangers.”

Funny bit, Rotney.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

only 3 teams finished with an obp below .320 last season anyway. .320 is really really low.

"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs

by BAC on Jun 23, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugly

Washington needs to start benching players if they are actively refusing to listen to his approach, especially since it’s pretty clearly causing the team to drop games.

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by trza on Jun 23, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Teixeira and the take sign

Remember when Teixeira blew off a take sign from Wash? He is RW’s comments about that incident…

A lot of times we make three outs on four or five pitches… I just can’t see that late in the game when you’re four or five runs down. You’re at the point where the starter is out of the game, you’re in the middle (of the bullpen), these are the guys you want to get to. I’ve never asked him (Teixeira) to do it when the closer is in the game. But the middle guys, you want to make ‘em throw… He feels like he’s going to only get one pitch in that type of situation to do something with. He wants to take advantage of it. I’ve got no problem with that. But can you guarantee with that one pitch that you’re going to do something with it? I don’t think any ballplayer on earth can guarantee that. You might pop it up, miss it, roll over it, jam yourself. Then you make one out on one pitch. I want to see him get a pitchers’ strike right there.

I can’t find the link, but earlier this year I read Teixeira’s comments about the incident. He basically said he was taught to be aggressive and taking pitches like Washington suggested is not the way he was taught.

This is not Ron Washington’s offense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Washington

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the only one that i would say can come close to guaranteeing it

albert freaking pujols

(see the story about his HR this weekend)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 23, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, i think id guarantee it with Puljos

everyone other ballplayer is a mere mortal

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by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Davis question

I’m sure this is on BR somewhere…

What % of his K’s are swinging vs looking.

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by Wes Cox on Jun 23, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't exactly answer your question but...

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9272&position=1B#platediscipline

His Z Contact % (percentage of times he makes contact with the ball when thrown inside the strike zone) is at 62.5% (which is terrible). Dead last by a lot.

Interesting that Mark Reynolds is next (at 70%)- which suggsts that these guys don’t necessarily strike out a lot because they swing at too many balls outside of the strike zone (although Davis does), but because they suck so much at hitting balls inside the strike zone.

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by ab03 on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great post

Last game MY popped out on a 3-0 pitch way above the strike zone with Andrus on first when we were behind in the late innings. What is the plan there? Where is the ‘adjustment’ there? It was just lousy baseball.

by jcAustin on Jun 23, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

From 2001-07 the Rangers NEVER ranked lower than 5th in team K's.

1st once, 3rd twice, 4th 3 times and 5th once. Consistent swing and miss team-last year something was different-what was it? Milton all by his little lonesome could not have had that kind of effect.

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by randyd on Jun 23, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how these swing and miss numbers would change for the team

if you replaced Davis’ numbers with the league average #’s for 1B.

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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 23, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I wonder

How much replacing Chris Davis’s numbers with the team average would improve most of this. It really seems like any numbers of this type this year are going to be very distorted because of Davis’s obscene hitting problems for the year.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Jun 23, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and to Dirk

the numbers I quoted go back to 2001, long before Chris Davis.

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by randyd on Jun 23, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rudy vs warsh

the teams offensive struggles this season i think are a conflist between their two divergent offensive theories. [paraphrasing] rudy wants to be aggresive and hit the first pitch you like, warsh wants to actively work to a hittable count… if it comes down to it, who are we getting rid of? rudy or warsh?

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by ivysafety39 on Jun 23, 2009 3:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been thinking that myself.

Wash has a contract for next year. Rudy does not. IF the Rangers were to win the division, RW is going to have greater influence on his coaching staff. Could Ron convince JD that the Rangers cannot be a consistent offensive team with Rudy’s hitting philosophy?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it should be Rudy

his teams traditionall hit lots of HR’s, strike out a lot, don’t do a good job of situational hitting, and don’t produce high OBP’s. His philosophy was right for the roid era, but does not play up well in today’s game, IMO.

Definiton of insanity-doing the same thing and expecting different results
"Introducing your 2009 Texas Rangers-Built for Insanity!"

by randyd on Jun 23, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with both on the staff

It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. With some players (MY, DeRo) Rudy works. Others should go with Wash’s advice. Personally, I think Wash and Rudy need to figure out who is who.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

Obviously being patient is a problem with this team. I think that pretty much everyone can agree with that. Who do we have on their way up that can remedy this problem?

Smoak is patient.
Moreland? 27 walks and 40 K’s in 284 At bats. Nice K rate but not exactly working a lot of walks.
Lemon? Pretty similar to Moreland with less K’s
Tim Smith? 15 BB’s and 28 K’s in roughly 190 AB’s. Good K rate, not good walk rate
Vallejo? 15 walks, 47 K’s in 210 ABs. Not great
Borbon? 21 walks, 27 K’s in 282 ABs. Low K rate, Low walk rate
Beltre? 10 walks, 63 K’s in 276 ABs. Yuck
Pina? 13 BB’s, 34 K’s in 190 ABs. Not terrible but not great at all
Boggs? 34 walks, 49 K’s in 149 AAA AB’s. Good walk rate, bad K rate

Honestly, who among that group will actually be a starter with us? Smoak? Definitely. Beltre? Long way away, terrible season so far but still young. Moreland? Where is there room? Borbon? Most likely but doesnt really take a lot of walks.

My point is that there needs to be a change from the bottom up of the organization. Im not saying moneyball style or anything but definitely more emphasis needs to be put on patience.

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't see anyone

from the minors changing the direction of the team. If someone patient comes up, I’m sure Rudy will convert them to see the ball, hit the ball.

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by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You and I just talked about Rudy

It doesn’t really seem to be all on him. Their historic OBP since Rudy’s been around is all over the place and at the least middle of the pack. Perhaps it’s an orgizational issue. CD is one of the worst offenders and this will be his first full season after coming out the minors.

Granted, I haven’t done jack to research everyone’s MiLB numbers to see if they walk less in “the Show”.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Jun 23, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

patience

The Rangers’ problem is not neccessarily BBs. It is thier approach at the plate. Swinging at bad pitches, not taking pitches when they should, swinging for the fences when they should be trying to make contact. The Rangers AB/SO is 4.3 with the AL avg being 5.2. Moreland and Smith come in at ~7 and Borbon is at 10.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with that

It seems like the Rangers make a lot of unproductive outs. For example, strikeouts

by Michael Cave on Jun 23, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides Omar

Andrus has the second best AB/SO rate on the team: 7.4:1. He hasn’t been Rudyized yet.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with this

Disagree that strikeouts are the problem. They’re a symptom. I wouldn’t mind a 3-2 strikeout. Hell, it takes six pitches to do that. Not totally unproductive.

They just need to make the pitchers work for their outs. In baseball you’re likely to be out in any given plate appearance. Make them work for it. The rest will take care of itself…there’s talent on this team.

by Black Francis on Jun 23, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Up until this year

MaxRam had a pretty rates.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 23, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

personally,

I think im not concerned with BB rates for these guys as long as A.) they are effective offensive players B.) they can at least work the count and not strikeout at an obscene rate. We dont need a bunch of Milton Bradley’s to fix this offense (we are gonna get someone close to that methinks in Smoak), we just need some better ABs. Im excited about getting a guy like Borbon who at least, I know will make the pitcher actually work to get him out, much like Andrus has done this year. We just need more of that to become a more effective offense, and between guys like Borbon, Moreland, and Smoak, we should have that

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by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wish you were galloway or one of the big local writers

so that someone would notice this and ask nolan, or jd, or wash, or rudy about this

this team’s “aggresive” approach has been a beating

by kumizi on Jun 23, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2 words

Milton Bradley

usa

by Longhorn on Jun 23, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Those are two words, alright.

One man’s departure couldn’t possibly cause this mess. A contributing factor, sure, but one of many. Jaramillo was out sick a lot of last year. That could have more to do with it than Uncle Milty.

by Black Francis on Jun 23, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot Rudy was out last year.

Does anyone know how many games he missed and what the dates were?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 23, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had a knee replacement in the mid summer

But something else going on at the beginning of the year, I think. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I think he missed two big chunks of time last year.

by Black Francis on Jun 23, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he have cancer?

Prostate or something.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 23, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you call this one, too?

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

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by Brian Thomas on Jun 23, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Vazquez...

As much as I think the guy was a fraud, he posted an OBP of .366 last year. So right now, this lineup is missing Bradley’s .436 OBP, Hamilton’s .371 OPB and Vazquez’ .366 OBP. I would have to believe that this explains much more than Rudy’s teachings.

by utb on Jun 24, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’ve made the same point before myself.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 24, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Vazquez one of Rudys reclamation projects?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 24, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He kinda became one, I guess.

Yet another utilityman to have his career offensive season under Rudy, at least.

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
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Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 24, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

he just had a fluky season.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 24, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Checking up on The Ramones ..

He’s actually got a .350 OBP for the Pirates (held up by 13% walk rate), but dude’s rocking 1 double as his only XBH in 100 PA’s … Good for a .259 SLG and .609 OPS.

Why would anybody ever walk that guy?

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by Chase Irwin on Jun 24, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus....

Byrd is batting cleanup

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Jun 23, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And no Blalock

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by Josey Wales on Jun 23, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wash is such a dumbass for that

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Jun 23, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

CD has no chance in hell to hit Scherzer.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Jun 23, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF???? really????

we are facing a righty, are we not? why isnt Blalock playing over CD

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by blalock84 on Jun 23, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh,

just conceding ABs out of the gate.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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