Feliz to the bullpen
by Conjunction on Jun 24, 2009 11:15 AM CDT
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PrintHeadline about says it all, but the club is going to have its top prospect pitch in relief at Triple-A Oklahoma City in anticipation of possibly promoting him to help the Major League club. Feliz will work an inning in relief at Oklahoma City on Thursday.
Blah. I don't like it. The dude needs to work on his secondary offerings, not blow fastballs by people. I'd rather not hold back his development just to bring about some more hype and tickets.
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he needs to get a taste of the big leagues before being thrown into the fire in 2010.
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Are they gonna use him as a starter or reliever?
This move right here suggests he is going to the pen to stay. When they brought Holland up they didn’t put him in the pen in OKC even though thats where they brought him up here.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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This move right here suggests he is going to the pen to stay.
I don’t think that’s the case.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Red Sox Method
Adam, I thought you liked the Red Sox-like method of using top prospects in the pen? What’s wrong with this decision versus Holland?
The Sox had deeper staffs, and their prospects were more polished than Feliz is
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
this is an earl weaver-like move almost
and i like it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
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by knockoutking on Jun 24, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Except that Earl had a 4 man rotation for the most part
and he used the young guys as a swing/5th starter in a lot of cases.
I don't know where you get that it suggests this is a permanent move
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not permanent
But it tells me we won’t see Feliz in the starting rotation before the ASB next year because he will be in OKC working on developing that breaking pitch he is gonna not throw while in the majors
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
What?
ASB next year? You don’t think it’s possible for him to pitch out of the pen for the rest of the season and then stretch out in Az Fall League or Spring Training for next season?
You are making big leaps here.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He won't be ready for the fire in 2010. At least not until later in the season.
He’ll have to start over with his breaking pitches at OKC until at least the All-Star break. We’d better hope that Harrison figures it out or that McCarthy can start.
Ugh
This tells me they are going to make him into a closer rather than a starter. Fine I guess but Id rather see him try his hand at starting before putting him in the pen
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
How does it say that at all?
I think the clear implication is that we want to get him comfortable pitching in relief so we can call him up to the ML pen and break him in that way, Billingsley-style.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
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Why didn't they do that with Holland before bringing him up?
To me if they planned on him getting his feet wet out of the pen in the majors they would simply keep him in the rotation in OKC. But by putting him as a reliever in OKC it tells me they feel thats where he is going to be in the majors
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Maybe they learned from the Holland experience?
Holland struggled some in the bullpen by not really knowing how to pitch in a relief role (and then consequently struggled as a starter by not knowing how to pitch in that role again). Maybe they decided that Feliz would be better off grasping the art of relief before getting the call-up, instead of learning on the fly.
Use Feliz as reliever the rest of the way in 2009, there’s plenty of time to stretch him out back to a starting role before April 2010.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
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But hes not gonna develop his secondary stuff out of the pen
Especially if they are bringing him up and putting him in one inning roles or late game situations. Hes gonna be asked to go out there and throw his 100 mph heat.
Where the Rangers messed up Holland was not having opportunities for him to be the long man like they planned. If he would have had to pitch 3+ innings in relief he would have been able to work in all his pitches.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
the best part about 100 mph heat
is that you can set up the 100 mph pitch for the out with a few breaking balls…
OR
you can set up the change up as the out with a few 100 mph pitches
I don’t think he’ll throw 100% or 90% fastballs…but I could be wrong, especially if his command of the secondary pitches isn’t too great
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Holland's secondary stuff is pretty good
That’s not his problem now and not what has been preventing him from being successful.
Feliz right now needs to work on his fastball command as well as his secondary stuff. A bullpen role doesn’t prevent him from doing that and just lets him face tougher competition in smaller doses.
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Hollands secondary stuff has been his problem
He couldn’t throw it for strikes and guys were sitting on his fastball. ML hitters can hit 96 mph fastballs.
The only bullpen role that will allow Feliz to work on his secondary stuff is the longman/mop up role which, if thats what they were bringing him up for doesn’t necessitate a move to the pen in OKC
They are moving him to the pen in OKC to get him ready to come into high leverage late game situations. Not the time when you want a guy tinkering with a breaking pitch and hanging one to lose the game for you.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
At first, yeah that was a bit of a problem for him
He learned quickly though and his problem as of late has been a lack of great fastball command. Given Feliz’s walk problems this year, I have a feeling he needs to work on the same thing.
When you throw mid to high 90s like Holland and Feliz do, you don’t need great secondary stuff if you’re locating that fastball. They need to develop those pitches to take their game to the next level, but the most important thing they can do is work off their strengths and make sure that they can always throw their fastball for quality strikes when they need to.
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That's a thought.
Could be they’ve decided to tweak how they handled the Holland promotion. But I expect they just feel that Feliz is different than Holland and they want to handle him differently.
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Who knows why?
I guess I trust the FO enough to inform the media/fans about their exact intentions rather than come up with my own theory. If they really are converting him to a reliever permanently, I’d hope JD, etc. will tell us as such…
I don't think this is a long-term move
He’ll almost certainly break into the majors as a reliever. I imagine this is just to get him used to warming up in-game, pitching every 3 games with lighter workloads, blah, blah.
If he’s coming up to actually be a bullpen contributor – not a mop-up guy like Holland was – then it’s far better for him to ease into the role in AAA than in Arlington
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Holland didn't exactly come in during mop-up situations
3 of his first 4 outings, i believe he came in with the bases loaded
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
They've said all along
that they wanted both Feliz and Holland to start by throwing out of the bullpen.
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I realize that and am fine with that
But I don’t see the need to put Feliz in the pen in OKC before bringing him up unless you are gonna use him in situations where he is going to be asked to throw almost strictly fastballs. That is not good for his development especially considering his breaking stuff isn’t ML ready yet. Hollands breaking stuff was much more advanced than Feliz’s is right now and we all saw how much Holland has struggled with it in the bigs.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
My guess is...
…that they are going to have him pitch just out of the pen this year.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Then next year?
Hes gonna have to start back at OKC because he will have lost most of his command and feel for his breaking pitches because he didn’t throw them while in the big leagues. Meaning instead of him being in our rotation all of 2010 he will be in OKC for most of it.
Or he is in the pen to stay and he never sees the minors again.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You realize that relievers...
…throw more than fastballs, right?
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 24, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
But not much. And unless the Rangers are gonna use Feliz as the long man (which if they were I don’t see why they would switch him to the pen in OKC) then he is most likely gonna be brought into tight late game situations and asked to throw almost exclusively his fastball which is a devastating pitch.
In the majors pitchers can’t work on pitches during games because the Ws and Ls matter. In OKC if he needs to work on a pitch he can go out and throw almost exclusively that because in the end the development trumps the W/L record.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
First off unless he gets bombed...
this cannot be a bad thing. And even then sometimes it’s better for a guy to struggle and then figure out what’s wrong. How much time does he really need in the minors to throw his secondary stuff? It’s not like they don’t work on their secondary pitches in bullpen sessions and the offseason.
If this move keeps us from having to make a trade for a setup man and lose some prospects then it’s that much better.
by slimshadty12 on Jun 24, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at how much Holland has struggled so far
He has far superior secondary stuff than Feliz. ML batters can hit fastballs especially when thats the only thing you can throw for a strike.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Not really
The thing with Holland is commanding the fastball. And it will be with Feliz as well. Anytime you throw that hard you don’t need plus plus offspeed stuff if you command the fastball on the corners. Especially since Feliz fastball has movement. He’s just going to need a decent show me pitch that makes the hitter think twice about sitting on the fastball.
by slimshadty12 on Jun 24, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Holland vs Feliz
Holland has far superior secondary stuff
Holland has much better command of his stuff
When Holland came up he was getting rocked because guys were sitting on his fastball. They would foul off ones in good spots and wait for him to throw a fat one. He had decent enough secondary pitches that occasionally he would throw a good one and get out but guys were simply waiting on his fastball.
Feliz doesn’t have a good enough secondary pitch to scare ML hitters. And his command isn’t good enough that I am afraid he is gonna leave alot of fat ones and guys are gonna crush them.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
How do you know who has the far superior stuff?
IIRC, there were a lot of positive reports about Feliz’s secondary stuff this ST and his biggest issue last year was that he was tipping his secondary pitches, not that he couldn’t throw them.
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Well, yeah
But you need secondary stuff that is at least average, particularly if you’re going to be a starter
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by OldProspects on Jun 25, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
If that's true
Do you think its because they are that worried about his workload this season or is that only part of the reasoning to expect Feliz to pitch the rest of the season out of the bullpen.
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I don't think it's any long-term indication
That they’re pigeonholing him into a relief role already. It’s just a way to get him involved with the big club ASAP.
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So long as he's a ML starter long-term (in 2009?)
…I’m okay with it.
I cannot imagine them converting him to relief. Certainly makes no sense during the June he’s having.
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by hightowersmith on Jun 24, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions
What do you mean the June hes having?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Feliz in June
3.63 ERA
22.1
24 H
2:16 BB:K
1.67 G:F
His best month this year.
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by hightowersmith on Jun 24, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
His Ks are way down though
I guess thats why I asked.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Lower K rate
That might be his ultimate profile.
I posted this in another thread but Font, Kiker, and Feliz all might be better control-wise by not throwing for the strikeout.
I am a layman on pitching technique though.
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by hightowersmith on Jun 24, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
But are they gonna bring him up and ask him not to be a strikeout guy out of the pen?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
he's never been in the pen
you obviously pitch differently. he has no such track record.
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
My point is
If hes gonna be asked to be a strikeout guy out of the pen its gonna be because of his fastball. His curve and change which already need alot of work will only diminish more
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Did you disagree with Holland coming out of the BP?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jun 24, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
No
I just what Feliz to work on other pitches more and be ready for next year rather than mess around with him.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 24, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Holland's secondary stuff was and is more advanced than Feliz's
This is a fucking stupid move.
thats why
Holland is starting and Feliz will be pitching 2 innings max the rest of the year
by blueballlefty on Jun 24, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed
i went to church this AM (im catholic) and had a vision regarding what jesus thinks about this decision by the rangers
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Perhaps...
it’s time for you to stop playing LSB board God and let adults post what they want to.
The only time you comment here is when something offends you, which seems to happend a lot. Just sad really.
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by slc ranger on Jun 24, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
slc ranger,
Glad you feel like I can post what I want to in here, even if doesn’t jibe with the mindless cheerleader section of LSB.
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I sure hope
he can hit. They need someone who can put the bat on the ball more than pitching
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My guess is that they are going to call him up soon
This is just so he can get used to pitching out of the bullpen for a little while and then knows the routine when he’s in the Majors.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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Well then this most likely pushes his impact on the starting rotation back from the beginning of 2010 to middle to end of 2010
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yep
it’s just a dumb panic move.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 24, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't even make sense
If they were panicking, wouldn’t Smoak be wearing a ranger uniform by now?
you can panic a little and it will still cost ya
panic freak out and shoot yourself in the leg for example or panic and shoot yourself in the leg and the dick, for example
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
This quote bothers me a little more...
“We’d like to see if he’s an option to help the Major League club in that role,” general manager Jon Daniels said. “He’s scheduled to throw an inning there tomorrow. We still feel he may start for us in the future but we’re going down that road first.”
http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/06/feliz_to_the_bullpen_at_oklaho.html
Wait…he “may” start in the future?
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by hightowersmith on Jun 24, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
It will be nice to have a flamethrowing closer in a couple years when Frankie leaves in FA but I don’t like this one bit
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Bullpen
I always thought there was a real possibility that Feliz could very well end up in the bullpen if his secondary stuff never matures enough. At least, that was the impression I got from reading some stuff by KLaw. Regardless, the Rangers should exhaust every opportunity for Feliz to become a starter, and I don’t think having him in the BP for the remainder of the season is telling of Feliz’s future role with the Rangers. Still, does he really need to be in the AAA bullpen before getting called up to Arlington?
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 24, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if frankie gets hurt one more time
im giving up on him regardless of talent and try to sell him with the thinking being he’s damaged goods. assuming feliz is your answer and thats the way your going long term.
im sure feliz can be a good closer, i just think its a premature classic rangers move. rushing these guys to the show when they need to develop is about the only way besides a complete knucklehead trade that could ruin this franchises future and instead of “letting the game come to them” they are gonna rush it and push the limits and increase our prospects risk of failure so either tom hicks or nolan ryan since its his job can fill the stadium or b/c they feel winning this season is more important than the potential for a dynasty long term.
biggest bad decision call ive seen JD (not sure its his call) make since trading danks and not drafting porcello
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
overreaction Wednesday?
settle down Jayslick, it’s not all said and done. Let’s see what happens over the next 6 months, eh?
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
porcello wanted a MLB deal right out of HS
i wanted him too, but idk if theres a pitcher i would give a major league deal to right out of high school
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by knockoutking on Jun 24, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Relax.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 24, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does OC have your picture as his avatar?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
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by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
It's part of the Hot Topic counter girl bit
isn’t it?
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
Hard to keep up w/ who is on OC’s current jihad list.
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by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I went to Hot Topic's website and was pleased to find this.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I bought that yesterday
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In this economy
she’s on clearance!
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
You know... lose the blond wig... replace with short black hair... remove blush and lipstick... add mascera... HOLY SHIT! THAT'S OC!!!
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I grew weary of him showing up and telling people how to post and just generally being an abrasive douche while adding nothing to the conversation, and so I told him so.
That was his revenge, I think.
Who knows why emo hipsters do any of the shit they do.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 24, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He's got to be one of the most anal potheads I've ever known
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Meh. Generally I don't mind him, actually.
I just think his crusade to get everyone to post exactly the way he wants them to is incredibly lame.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 24, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
especially given that his posts aren't exactly something to brag about
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I was pleased to see that neither his or miles's personal blogposts made the rec list.
+1 lsb.
the preceding post was a great success.
I knew this was coming...
I thought that we may wait until after the break, but I guess not.
Much like Holland, it is good for him to get his feet wet this year if we are planning on him being in our 2010 rotation.
by death of the cool on Jun 24, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
Hell,
might as well just let him replace Harrison. Send Harrison down w/ CD to work their shit out.
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I don't like this move.
I think it’s an admission that the alternatives on the trade market are slim and not worth either the additional salary or loss of prospects.
JD has been saying that a trade for a bullpen arm is more likely than a bat, and, if that is the case, this move pretty much means the likelihood of a trade is about zero.
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Agree
The Rangers are playing the hand that they were dealt to the best of their abilities. They don’t have the money to pick up a player who could help, nor do they want to give away legit prospects for a player (even one who could net a draft pick or two as a departing FA). People here may not like this move, but it seems pretty clear why they are doing it; moving Feliz to the pen helps the team be more competitive this year without having any serious longterm effects for next year and beyond.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 24, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless you consider losing a top pitching prospect to the bullpen a serious longterm affect
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Bullpen Stint = Temporary
I was operating under the assumption that Feliz’s time in the bullpen will be limited to just this season. I guess I should have been more clear.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 24, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I like this move
better than trading away talent for a reliever.
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by t ball on Jun 24, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are completely wrong.
He’ll spontaneously combust and die if he doesn’t work on his secondary pitches in AAA, dummy.
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Agreed. I've been arguing against trading for a reliever all year.
I warmed to the idea of trading for a bat, but I never thought such a trade should include one of the Rangers’ top pitching prospects, especially since I would prefer to get a bat for just this year rather than one under contract for next year as well.
The main reason I don’ t like this move is that I would like to see him continue his recent trend of reduced BBs at AAA. It’s a fairly safe environment for him to continue to gain confidence. That has been one of the most promising developments on the farm this year, behind Martin Perez’s high K/9, BB’s consistency and command, and Smoak’s AA dominance.
I would rather see Feliz come up as a starter, even if it might take more time at AAA to get him ready for his first taste of starting in the majors. The main reason is that the thing the Rangers most need is an Ace. Feliz has as good a chance as anyone at being that for the Rangers, and I don’t want to delay his progress in becoming that guy.
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I said from Day 1 that I wanted Holland up after a month
to go bullpen for a month or two, then start, then bring Feliz up for a month or two in the pen and then start at the end of this year or beginning of next year.
I like this.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
This isn't too bad.
I may have waited a couple more starts, but it is a good way to limit his innings this year.
Innings
This is what I was thinking. Holland is older than Feliz and they may be more comfortable stretching his innings but they may want to limit Feliz a little more this year.
Yep
and if you put him in the pen, you tell him to air it out without fear of arm fatigue.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I think limiting innings is a possibility
But he’s at 60 something innings this year if I’m not mistaken — last year he had about 120 between A/AA.
I don’t think they were really in danger of limiting his innings yet. If this move was made in August, maybe.
This is all about not being able to take on salary in a trade and a direct need at the ML level.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
he can learn secondary pitches during the offseason
assuming they don’t inexplicably shut him down again.
he can't throw them against ML batters in the offseason though
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
How many games do they play in the offseason?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Well...
Nolan’s Plan calls for live BP in the offseason… So that’s like games, right? LOL
There's also
Winter ball. I’m sure Feliz would have that option.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
Depends on where he goes for winter leagues
and there are ML hitters in winter leagues. Heck… even if he goes to Surprise for the offseason he can work against hitters and refine his offerings. This is where work ethic comes in to play and spring training as well.
i understand your point
but having a big leaguer smash your mediocre slider isn’t suddenly going to teach you how to put more spin on it.
More than anything...
I just think this means they’re expecting to bring him up and have him throwing MEANINGFUL innings right away… They aren’t just bringing him up to get his feet wet and learn on the fly. They’re bringing him up to be a real contributor WHILE getting his feet wet and learning on the fly…
Get comfortable in the bullpen before coming up, because you’re going to be given the opportunity to throw tough innings in a pennant race down the stretch…
That’s the feeling I get from this, anyway…
I don’t see at all how it means they’ve pigeonholed him into relief work…
Feliz in the bullpen
I don’t see at all how it means they’ve pigeonholed him into relief work…
That’s probably because NOBODY has said this move is permanent. I’ m glad there’s at least a few posters here who have overreacted yet.
But if you throw him into those meaningful situations
Hes not gonna get the chance to work on his shortcomings. Which right now are his secondary pitches.
Also how has he progressed holding runners? I would hate for him to be brought into a game with a runner on and let that guy walk around the bases because he can’t hold him close.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I mean...
It feels pretty obvious they think he’s progressed to a point that he isn’t going to be a real liability in that regard…
And did anybody really think he was going to jump into the rotation to open 2010? Get him his bullpen stint now, start 2010 in AAA, drop him into the rotation at the first injury or whenever performance dictates/forces the move…
My route
Would have been keep him in the OKC rotation until about mid-August then bring him up out of the pen here. That would set up perfectly to start next year in the rotation
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I understand
what you are getting at, but that still only lets him work on his off-speed stuff for an additional month and a half and then coming up to the bullpen. If he was going to come up and go straight to the rotation, I wouldn’t mind him staying down there for another month and a half. If he’s going to come up to the bullpen anyway, we could use him right now and I don’t know that the extra month and a half of work on his secondary pitches warrants him staying down. He’s still going to have to work on them in the off season and the beginning of next year anyway.
Is it a panic move? I don't know about that.
I see it as JD seeing his club stutter and trying to give it a jolt by promoting the number one prospect in this system. I have no doubt he’ll be a starter in the future.
Does Zach Phillips have to choke a bitch to get to Frisco?
I'm okay with the move if Feliz can throw enough strikes.
Make no mistake, Feliz getting his feet wet in the pen is Nolan Ryan’s call all the way.
It’s the way we do things now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, if you say so
If it goes poorly will you then say it was Daniels’ call?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
If it goes poorly I will blame Nolan
but that also means giving full credit to him for Holland’s progress (and everything else regarding the pitching) this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does it also mean that?
Someone needs to make a flowchart of Josey Donut’s blame game.
Was the move successful? -→ way to go Nolan!
Did the move fail? -→ Stupid Jonny Donuts!
Did Ryan publicly credit Daniels? -—> He’s just covering for the poor, helpless donut sucker.
etc.etc.etc.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
"and everything else regarding pitching" doesn't
mean NR put O’Day on this team (nor did he put Benson on the team) but as far as training, conditioning, firing and hiring the right coach and development of young arms -
All Nolan Ryan and the results cannot be denied.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Development of young arms?
Why is that Ryan?
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
ajm, think it was Donut's idea to start Holland in the pen?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know the answer to that
I think Mike talked about this in the last podcast…these things tend to be organizational decisions. I think Daniels was on board with it. I think Nolan was. I think Maddux was.
I don’t know that you can sit there and point to one person and say, “This was Nolan’s idea!” or “This was Levine’s idea!” and say that’s the person responsible for Holland being in the bullpen.
What did you think of Richard Justice’s comment about the relationship between Nolan and Daniels the other day?
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
We've been over this before
Josey has absolutely no understanding – or refuses to acknowledge reality – when it comes to the group discussion nature of most front office decisions. Josey is the kind of person that thinks Iran and N. Korea would suddenly behave if the U.S. just grew some damn balls and told them to stop fucking around or else. Or that Millwood just didn’t care about pitching until Ryan threatened to put him over his knee. Or those damn homeless people just need to get off their asses and get to work.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Justice isn't here watching this franchise every day so I take what he says with a small grain
of salt. Find somebody local (other than a blatant JD homer like Jamey)) to give me a better perspective on JD- don’t know that you will find one with anything positive to say.
I do believe JD is much better at his job when he’s not the ultimate decision-maker nor the face of the FO (both to the fans and to the players).
As an underling, he has strengths & weaknesses (although he’s pissing his pants on the Crush Davis situation)..
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Justice is also tight with Nolan
And you are really saying that no one locally has anything positive to say about Daniels?
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Anybody know one of the local journalists from the DMN or FWST
who have lots of nice things to say about Little Boy Donuts?
Maybe Durrett but I can’t remember -Zywica doesn’t count.
Richie Whitt came up with “Boy Blunder” for the Dallas Observer.
Can’t think of anybody, perhaps Lebetron.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Evan Grant
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
correct, bt
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anybody know any local journalists that know anything about baseball?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
crickets
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would it need to be somebody local?
I’ll take the opinions of Keith Law, Kevin Goldstein, Joe Sheehan, and Rob Neyer, among others, over anybody local.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Josey Donut will take the opinion of Cal Ripken Jr.
over any internet spares, like the above mentioned.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless, of course
Ripken said Daniels was doing a great job.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Because obviously you need to be close to the team...
Watching them play and operate every day in order to know how the team’s front office operates on a day-to-day basis…
Is that really your opinion?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Sarcasm...
Per Josey…
Justice isn’t here watching this franchise every day so I take what he says with a small grain of salt
Ah
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
So Josey Donuts takes his ideas
from his leader Galloway? Who pays attention to the rangers for about 2 hours per week? There is your answer!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
You've always been ridiculous
but now you’re just becoming a caricature of yourself. Everything good is Ryan, all bad is Daniels. Game scores tell you everything you need to know about a pitcher. How long will you continue on your campaign to make everyone believe the world is such a simple, easily explained place?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Would you before every single thing being post after post about the payroll?
This is a much better alternative to that and is hilarious to read.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
The WORLD is FLAT, the World is FLAT PEOPLE
why don’t you all get it
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
And that means an even greater job done by JD
to get both of these guys here
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
i think more credit
should go to JD for getting Andrus in at SS. Our defense is what has been better this year. And, if there is something I will give Nolan credit for, it is bringing in Maddux. Maddux gets the credit for the pitching this year not Nolan. and, to think JD didn’t have anything to do with bringing Maddux here is ridiculous.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
The pat response for this line ..
Nolan wanted Tiny E up last year, but had to wait for Donuts’ authorization this year.
Or however the fuck it goes.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha
And there it is folks
Its Nolans call
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yeah.
It would be absolutely silly to think that the general manager of the organization is making this move rather than, you know, the PRESIDENT.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Josey was at the game a couple of weeks ago
Hated the new hot dogs. That was clearly Donuts’ call.
But the garlic they are using on the garlic fries was great…Ryan was clearly the one behind that.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
ajm
What was the Ranger pitching like before Nolan put his stamp on this team?
967 runs allowed sound familiar?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
did he hire Maddux?
or did JD? Maddux and improved defense are the real reason this pitching is better.
And Nolan doesn’t have SHIT to do with the improved defense. Remember, it was JD that took the heat from Mike Young and the news for that move of Andrus and him to 3rd
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
What was the defense like before JD pushed MY off shortstop?
Defensive improvement is by far the biggest reason the staff looks better…
Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc?
The pitching isn’t any better this year, anyway.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
are you going to login in with that?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Why doncha make
“the pitching isn’t any better this year, anyway” the new website tagline, Emperor Morris?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone's testy.
Calm down. Just because you’re being called out for the umpteenth time is no reason to get upset.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
He's just tired of having to talk to these message board spares like AJM
He’s constantly having to teach these guys all things Great Game.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
"Called out"??
Last I checked, the pitching is much better this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it isn't
Run prevention is better. Pitching, not really.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
As a result of the talent on the mound or the talent behind the mound?
Bill James would take a look at how the pitching has done independent of the defense and been able to clearly see that the pitching isn’t that much improved while the defense has.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
x
The fact that you keep harping on the pitching being better, when their peripherals aren’t significantly improved from last year, suggests that you have forgotten the Tenth Noble Truth of Bill James:
10. A great deal of what is perceived as being pitching is in fact defense.
Bill James wrote this in his 1988 Baseball Abstract. This was in answer to the question, “If I were employed by a major-league team, what are the basic things that I know from the research I have done which would be of use to me in helping that team?”
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The defense is much better and a big reason this team gives up
fewer runs but to point blank say the pitching really isn’t any better is among the very dumbest things ever said on this message board.
You hated the Ryan hire from the get-go and have been head over heels in love with Little Boy Donuts ("He reads my website, he really loves me!!!) and cannot stand the fact that Ryan is properly getting the majority credit for turning this thing around.
The problem with giving Little Boy Donuts any credit is that we can’t erase what happened to this team from October 05 to February ‘08 and that 967 runs allowed (when Ryan was observing) sits there like a big fat boil on the ass of JD’s legacy as GM of this thing.
Feliz going to the bully to get his feet wet just like Holland before him, is Nolan Ryan’s call all the way and a damn good move.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He deals in absolutes
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Nolan Ryan is a GOD
lightning bolts shoot out of his ass and our pitchers have been touch by his golden right hand.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I'm not gonna lie
If I could shoot lightning bolts out of my ass, that’s a talent that wouldn’t go to waste…
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Interrogative (you've really got me thinking on this whole butt-lightning concept)
Is the butt-lightning controllable?
Or would I be heading to Loew’s everytime I had some magma-hot curry at the house and whatnot?
Controllable butt-lightning >> uncontrollable butt-lightning.
However
Having any kind of butt-lightning >>> not having butt-lightning.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It would give the ole "Pull my finger" gag
a whole new level of badassness, huh?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Heh.
I would like to bust out the ol’ butt-lightning when somebody mooned me.
You call that a pressed ham? Pfft.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You are right
I was very leery of the Ryan hire. I was concerned that it was yet another change in direction by Hicks, that it was a matter of having someone come in who hadn’t run baseball operations and giving them the keys. I was worried that with a guy in his late-60s, we’d be looking at another quick fix.
But you know what? I was wrong. Bringing Ryan in has been, I think, a really good thing. And I’ve said that before. He’s made some good changes on the business side, where serious change was needed, and he’s been involved on the baseball side but pretty much let the baseball folks here do their thing.
And I’ve said before that I think one of the problems Daniels had was the lack of an experienced, veteran person to lean on with some of these things. I think Hart was supposed to be that person, but Hart is a disaster. He didn’t have a Gerry Hunsicker like Friedman in Tampa had.
And so I think he’s had to learn a lot more things the hard way, and I think having Nolan here as an experienced guy to provide some guidance helps him, as well.
I think Nolan deserves some credit for where things are. I think Daniels deserves some credit. So does Scott Servais. So does Thad Levine. So does Mel Didier. So does A.J. Preller. So does Ron Hopkins.
Lots of folks deserve credit, because lots of folks have been involved in getting this thing turned around, and were involved before Ryan ever came on board.
So yeah, that’s why it bothers me when the “Ryan fixed everything” meme circulates. Not because Ryan doesn’t deserve some credit, but because there are a lot of other people who deserve a lot of credit as well.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Admitting you may have been wrong
What a novel concept, bravo
Josey, maybe you ought to practice this
Also
As for this:
("He reads my website, he really loves me!!!)
Have I said that? Have I said anything even close to that? Or are you just projecting?
That comment is really beneath you.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 24, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
ajm
I get my hand slapped for that but the garlic fries comment skates by without being checked?
Nolan’s true greatness is that as an executive, he’s like Magic Johnson.
Everybody (including Little Boy Donuts) became better at their job because of his presence.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I like how it is now Little Boy Donuts
in an effort to distance from the Johnny Donuts/Josey Donuts nicks
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Josey Donuts
is here to stay. Got way too much positive feedback yesterday.
I just really that Josey Donuts has way too simplisitic of a view of how a major lg franchise runs. Even how a baseball team runs.
by Michael Cave on Jun 24, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Fat ol' Josey Donuts is just cranky
He didn’t have his coffee with his morning bear claw today.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Agreed.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Rodney, when the Rangers fall out of first place
1/3 of your material is going to be missing. The message board cock will no longer be able to crow.
Guess we’ll hear lots of flyboy & “ex” talk until this team gets it act together.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
Oh, how cute, you remember details of my life.
I knew you cared, way deep down inside.
OBTW, thanks for proving the point.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I wouldn't know those things unless
you beat the entire room down with it time after time after time after time after time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
I actually have no idea what you're talking about
What’s the flyboy and ex talk?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Rodney is an air force veteran
Josey assuages his chickenhawk inadequacies by harrassing veterans.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Gosh, that Tom Grieve's got such a way with words.
Way to go, Nolan!
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jun 24, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
how is it nolans call?
nolan probably wanted to call up font too, he heard he throws hard
…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 24, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
no shit
did you see all of the Arizona pitchers yesterday offering 95, 96, 97 mph heat?
it’ll be nice to have Frank, CJ, Feliz all following up Holland
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Kiker?
Or Poveda
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Saw Kiker last night for the first time.
He’s got that poor man’s Lincecum motion to him. He was a little wild last night, but was ultimately pretty solid. That, and I got to see The Man return to first base.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
um yeah
I would say last night’s game for Kiker was ultimately pretty solid…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
7IP, 7H, 1R (0ER), 3K, 1BB?
I’d call that pretty solid.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
So whos spot in the pen does Feliz take?
Frankie, CJ, ODay, Jennings, and Grili I imagine would be safe. I don’t think we would drop our other lefty for Feliz. So that leaves who? Im drawing a blank right now who the 7th man is in the pen
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That would leave Mathis...
It’s probably either Grilli, Mathis, or Guardado…
Any of the three… Who cares.
Jennings to the rotation
Harrison sent down
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind that.
I actually think you may have something here. Well done.
Does Zach Phillips have to choke a bitch to get to Frisco?
i don't wnat jennings pitching more than an innings
no way his stuff makes it through the second time, let alone third throught the order
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I am not saying I want that
just what I think will happen, with McCarthy still out and El Dukie still a ways from returning…IF Harrison screws up again
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It's gotta be Mathis or Eddie
Which means it’s probably gonna be Mathis that loses his spot. FOTF would probably shit a brick if they cut a good clubhouse guy like Eddie.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, gotta be Mathis.
Though I couldn’t imagine anyone here losing sleep if Eddie was dropped.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
They'll need a 40 spot too, right?
I guess it’s DFA time for Mathis.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Duran, Arias, Bannister are bettter options
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Well they need a spot in the bullpen AND on the 40
and I could be wrong, but Mathis is out of options — so they’d have to get rid of somebody in the bullpen, right?
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Mathis isn't out of options
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
OK
That’s good. So, the send Mathis down to make room in the bullpen — DFA Bannister maybe? I dunno
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 25, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
The comments in this thread are very panicky.
Calm down, people, Feliz is not going to be ruined by pitching out of the bullpen. Sheesh, you’d think they’d said he was going to start throwing lefty or something.
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by t ball on Jun 24, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, tb.
Why is it so hard for people in here to realize that the way we did things in the past with young pitchers wasn’t working?
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by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You hit the nail on the head....
Now when does Smoak come up for Davis.
by death of the cool on Jun 24, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no qualms with him being in the pen when he gets called up
So long as they don’t jerk him around between the pen and the rotation.
What I hate is that they’re sending him to the pen in Oklahoma before they’re ready to call him up.
x
I think this move means that they are ready to call him up right now, but are just wanting to get him comfortable in this role
by blueballlefty on Jun 24, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
OT...
Where is the best place to get individual defensive stats, sans the usual subscription sites?
fangraphs?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
David Price
not a complete one to one but still
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
So many good starters broke in via the 'pen.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 24, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
which is also to say
that it’s the player, and not the club, that wants to keep the pitcher in the pen. and the pitcher has to have a pretty damn good excuse (diabetes) or be a complete douchebag and bitch hard enough
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
this is correct
papelbon and morrow are the exception, not the norm.
i shouldn’t have even said price – makes it seem like he’s the exception.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
this is pretty awesome
getting to see him toss 100 mph on TV is going to be FANTASTIC.
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
Because it kind of makes sense
I agree that they’re going to give him another 1 or 12 tries to be a starter at the major league level, but unless he can get his secondary stuff to be at least major league average, then his chances of success in the bullpen might be substantially higher than as a starter. Feliz has an absolutely outstanding fastball, but I can’t think of any successful major league starter with only one good pitch, no matter how good it is. There are great closers who rely primarily on one pitch (Mariano, for example). He’s still 21, so he has plenty of time to improve his breaking pitches, and I think they’ll definitely try to move him back into the rotation, but it wouldn’t astonish me if he ends up as a closer, and not a starter.
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by OldProspects on Jun 25, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I like this move
He’ll still be working on his off-speed pitches on the side with the best pitching instructor in the organization and his innings will be limited.
If Feliz is completely dominant
He will be in the pen next year. Guarantee it. And he wont ever start after that
This is our year.
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by FormerLSBUser on Jun 24, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
You may be right
but I think I’ll wait and see before I believe your guarantee of the future.
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--Seneca
Pfft.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
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by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
el duque activated
per yahoo. thats who takes his spot in OK
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redhawks-elduque&prov=ap&type=lgns
Thougth JD said he wasn't going
to mortgage the futrue for a short term gain. Look at the problems Joba has going to the pen. This will set back Feilz by at least 3 months next year. His secondary stuff is not ready.
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I could only imagine how productive work sites are without LSB addicts ..
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Since SBN 2.0 came out with the Z function
my work productivity has dropped significantly
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
We were probably all wasting time on something else before LSB, not being productive.
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Jesus this thread is a beating.
I made it through about 20 comments before I got tired of all the knee jerking, sky is falling dumbassery.
He’s not a reliever forever, and no this doesn’t preclude him going back to the rotation at some point soon and no this isn’t going to stunt his growth significantly as a starting pitching prospect.
Fucking relax.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 24, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
bingo, dirkatron
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by Josey Wales on Jun 24, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok...is it alright to be scared...
when I agree with both of you?
And it seems that a long stint in the BP hasn’t hurt Scooter!!!
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by GhettoBear04 on May 17, 2009 5:26 PM CDT
tron
Do you think Feliz’s secondary stuff is good enough now to be effective in the major leagues?
And do you think he will have enough chances to throw those secondary pitches if he is being brought into tight late game situations?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'm definitely not tron
but could you give me the link that says Feliz’s secondary stuff hasn’t progressed this year and definitely isn’t ready for ML bullpen action?
I must have missed it.
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Steve
1) I don’t know. I assume they wouldn’t have called him up if he was strictly a one pitch pitcher. I suppose one could say this exactly that… a tacit admission by the teams’ developement staff that Neffy is never gonna be anything more than a one pitch bullpen horse and so let’s go ahead and let him start doing it in the big leagues, but I really don’t believe that. The kid is only 21. Hell, maybe they’re bringing him up precisely becausde his secondary offerings aren’t coming along like they’d hoped and they want him to see what big league hitters to do one trick ponies.
2) Yes. He’s their baby. Arguably their best pitching prospect ever. They’re not gonna use him a s ROOGY or whatever. He’ll have plenty of time to develope his pitches. He’ll get to work with Mustache Jesus in his side sessions, and he’ll get his feet wet in the bigs. If they still view him as a starter long term (which I think is a 95% kind of thing right now) then I think there are many ways they can work this major league bullpen assignment out in a way that it does not stunt his long term developement as a starter.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 24, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with every word of this
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Well put
I cant wait til the first time that he gets hit hard everyone starts talking about how he isnt ready and never will be.
by Michael Cave on Jun 24, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Does this remind any one of Volquez
We just couldnt wait to see him so they bring him. he gets totally rocked and his ability and confindence are never the same in the organization. i really hope he doesn’t see arling this year, and maybe next year a little. dude is still very young. and very raw
When are people gonna see that the bull pen especially the closer are wasting some great arms that should be only the last resort. develop them as starters. bring them up as starters keep them as starters
We've got a problem... Well i'll go brew some java, thats a start
Volquez and Feliz are not the same
Look at the situations of both pitchers when originally called up and what happened since then with Volquez. Volquez also only made 3 relief appearances vs. 11 starts with the Rangers (prior to that 2007 season) while Feliz is expected to just stay in the bullpen. Volquez was called up for a cup of coffee in September while Feliz is being brought in to pitch out of the bullpen in the middle of the season. They are also not the same type of pitcher with the same make-up.
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Exactly
Re: the makeup issue, does anyone remember Hindman’s commentary on this after Feliz got called up to Frisco? He wrote that he remembered seeing JuanDom immediately after the call to Double A, Volquez too, and now Feliz. His initial impressions were these:
JuanDom had absolutely no idea what it takes to handle the pressures associated with big baseball. If he can figure that out, he could be a star, but…
Volquez hadn’t quite comprehended what he was getting into, but had a good enough head on his shoulders that he would eventually figure it out.
Feliz just flat got it. He was born to pitch in the big environment. Makeup and mental adjustment to the big time weren’t going to trouble this kid one bit.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
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I must've missed something
did we put Volquez in the bullpen?
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I was fine with him coming up in the bullpen
But it seems a little early. Now hes not going to up his innings very high and couldn’t go nearly a full season in the mlb starting even if they decided thats where he will be.
And the bullpen has cost a couple games lately with the offense dead, but in general it hasn’t been a problem since mid april.
So uh, I’m not really a fan. But at least there is the consolation of getting some excitement from seeing him pitch anyway.
the preceding post was a great success.
A couple thoughts:
1) I like this move. Itll be very interesting to see how he pitches in the pen. The carrot is out there, will he take it?
2) I dont think this is a precursor to him going to the pen permanently. This could be a terrific learning experience as well as helping the club.
I like it
-He gets to work with Maddux
-He gets his feet wet
-We all get to see him pitch
-The FO/Coaching Staff gets to monitor his every move, every workout, every bullpen session
-He learns how to warm up as a reliever at AAA instead of at the ML level
-It manages his innings
-He has all offseason, ST, and the first part of the AAA season to stretch back into a starting role and the chance to do so with some ML success under his belt
I used to shoot baskets
and he gets to learn from some veterans
wait…is that good or bad?
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I predict
that he gets called up in about a month, works a few games out of the pen, shows that he doesn’t have the required command of his pitches and gets sent back down to OKC.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
sorry, I wasn't clear
“required command of his pitches for the MLs”
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
That's fine but doesn't help...
Relief pitching isn’t the problem. If the starter can get 6 the pen has it covered from there with O’Day, CJ, FF. If the starter can’t get that far and say gives up 4 in 4 the game is over already and might as well pitch Madrigal, EE, or whomever. Right now if we give up 4 it is over!!! Turn off the TV, go home: being down by 4 is like 28-0 in football, this offense is offensive.
Like Holland...
I don’t agree with this move. I think it screams panic. I wouldn’t sacrifice the development of Feliz and Holland for a chance to contend this year. Especially since the bigger problem this year is actually the offense.
I would have left Holland and Feliz in the OKC rotation ‘til at least August and then promote them to get their feet wet if they did well. I don’t see any need to rush them. They need to be working on their secondary stuff in AAA. That’s just my opinion though.
It’s not the end of the world, I just disagree with it. Hopefully everything goes well. I will be just as pumped to see Feliz in the bigs as I was for Holland. I just hope they don’t fall in love with him as a reliever and not put him back as a starter next spring.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
how is Holland being sacrificed?
I think he’s coming along just fine…
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
What you talkin about Willis?
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OT: Suck it, Spain.
At least for one half.
Spain had penty of chances, though.
Holy hell their forwards are talented.
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we need a regression
in possession to keep their chances lower, hopefully we can capitalize on a counterattack
by kevinkinsler on Jun 24, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Would this be one of the biggest wins in USA soccer history?
by Michael Cave on Jun 24, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Easily
It’s not often that the US beats a soccer powerhouse, much less any team from Europe.
US just scored again! Holy shit!
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wow that is huge
awesome
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by Dirk Diggler on Jun 24, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy crap
Weren’t we like 1-19 against FIFA no. 1-ranked teams going into this match?
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
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Onyewu
has responded well since you called him out Dirk. He’s been a beast in the back.
Does Zach Phillips have to choke a bitch to get to Frisco?
heh
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Where is Longhorn?
He could answer this one…
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by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, very impressive.
Hopefully they can take down Brazil (almost assuredly the winner of the other game)
by Michael Cave on Jun 24, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Dempsey is a badass
I don’t really know anything else about soccer.
He has an interesting wikipedia page for those interested. Grew up in a trailor park in Nacogdoches, supported by teammates’ parents in youth soccer for travel and expenses.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 24, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
amazing story of a family coming together through his sisters troubles
by kevinkinsler on Jun 24, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
people overreact so much
He is a pitcher…he will still be a pitcher.
Farm system is to help the major league team…thats what they are trying to do.
Frankie developed a great splitter and a damn good changeup and he didnt have to start every 5 days in the minors in order to do it.
People overthink things too much. If he worth a damn, he will adjust and continue to progress.
Trade-off
+Help for Major League bullpen this season.
+Let’s Feliz face stronger hitters.
-Could stagnate development of secondary pitches leading to a later time frame for Feliz to contribute to the starting rotation in 2010 and beyond
-Potentially starts the arbitration clock so that we lose him 1 year earlier.
Overall, I’m not the biggest fan of this move, but I understand the reasoning for it.
Part of the reason I don’t like it that much is that I feel that the OFFENSE needs more help for the Rangers to be true contenders.
R
your reasoning is terrible
what does feliz going to the bullpen have to do with the offense?
they are not using any assets that could otherwise be directed to help the offense
You might want to cut down on the personal attacks
Especially, if you don’t understand the arguments.
I’ll admit that I’m not the best communicator, but you’re probably not the world’s best interpreter of other’s comments, either. So, there’s usually a good chance of misunderstanding occurring.
1) The primary reasoning for bringing Feliz to the major league bullpen is to compete this season.
2) I don’t believe that the Rangers are strong enough offensively to compete effectively for a playoff spot.
3) My “realistic” target season for the Rangers competing is next year.
4) Bringing Feliz up to the major league bullpen will hamper his contributions to the team next year, meaning they don’t have as good of a chance of making the playoffs next year.
Hence, my reasoning for why I not the biggest fan of moving Feliz into the bullpen this year.
I didn’t want to type all that, because frankly I don’t have the time and shouldn’t be spending my time doing this when I have other things I need to get done.
But I feel that I’d at least give you the opportunity to actually give REAL analysis or critique instead of just making random assumptions that my reasoning is flawed like some trolls on this board likes to do.
R
Of course....
if Feliz is brought as a Lefty Long/Middle relief, it would mean that Eddie is done and gone, and he would be a good compliment to JJ. It would help to keep him stretched out, but the lack of suitable secondary pitches could hamper that also.
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by GhettoBear04 on May 17, 2009 5:26 PM CDT
Yikes ..
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 25, 2009 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions
A kinder, gentler Requiem
The old Req would have taken that fool’s head off.
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by Brian Thomas on Jun 24, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
it’s kind of like Bogie used to say about himself:
I can’t get in a mild discussion without turning it into an argument. There must be something in my tone of voice, or this arrogant face—something that antagonizes everybody. Nobody likes me on sight.
I seem to fit that mold, so I’m exploring other alternatives where maybe I don’t get into an argument so often.
However, from the responses I see below, either it just doesn’t work for me, or kumizi is just a prick who’s trying to get a rise out of me.
It could be both I guess. I do seem to have problems, though where others seem to want to interpret what I say in the worst light without giving me any of the benefit of the doubt.
I wonder what it is.
R
Aww Req, you are one of the more reasoned, logical posters I know.
Don’t take it personal that the kid hasn’t dropped yet…
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they cant compete?
they are tied for first place with davis hitting .190 and josh not having done a damn thing
and you must be a sensitive little girl
if you construed “your reasoning is terrible” to be a personal attack
you can't help but think Smoak's coming sooner
rather than later
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless we planned on Longoria-ing him next year this does not affect his FA at all
Or his arbitration for that matter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
OT.
injuryexpert RT @m_sheldon: Volquez had a 2nd MRI that showed inflammation of muscle bwtn rt. elbow + forearm. Will shut down from throwing.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
That trade just keeps
running on parallel lines.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
No kidding, wow.
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Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Crap, I just took on Volquez as part of a trade package in a fantasy league
But I was firmly entrenched in last anyway, so it’s not like I shot myself in the foot too bad.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
hah
I made two pretty horrible trades and a questionable one: 1) Cueto, Furcal and Bedard for Jose Reyes (who has not played a game for me) 2) Joe Mauer and Dempster for Derek Lee and J. Maine and 3) Mo Rivera for Chris Davis
I was in last place before making these trades…I am now twice as far out as I was
The good news: it’s a 2 half league so we re-draft in a few weeks
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 24, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i have Reyes, too...
isn’t he on the dl?
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by GhettoBear04 on May 17, 2009 5:26 PM CDT
Dusty Baker strikes again
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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Is it the side ads?
Dear Christ this shit is slow.
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It's been slow for me today, and I have 99% of ads blocked.
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Yeah, I hate it
Making my whole system choppy.
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I didn't read much of this thread but I'll just use an MJH'ism
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It doesn't bother me.
Kid’s young…he’s got time to work on those secondary pitches. There’s no reason he’ll just be blowing people away with his fastball in the big leagues. I know it’s a good pitch for him, but it can’t be that good. He’s going to have to mix it up. More if he were starting, but it’s not like players don’t learn new things in the big leagues as they go.
I don’t think it’s about hype or ticket sales. People around here are still pretty apathetic and most people have no idea who Feliz is. It’s a cheap way of getting an extra arm in the pen is all, and nobody really knows whether it’s going to slow his development or not.
I'd preferred to have him continue starting given the improvements made during the last few starts
but it’s not a big deal, prospects are not tofu
I don't like moving him to the bullpen in OKC when he still has work to do on his secondary pitches either
I’m fine with breaking him into the majors through the bullpen, but I don’t see how using him in relief in OKC is going to help him with anything.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339
Also, if we're committing Feliz to the bullpen for the second half now
We better go get Josh Willingham.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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