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I have nothing substantial here, but as July gets closer, my mind tends to wander this way.  I keep reading over and over that this is such a seller’s market, which amazes me because, with the financial situation as it is, I figured teams would be more willing to move guys.  I am starting to wonder if the Rangers can pull off a dual “buyer/seller” mode over the next month and move some guys who may not be able to help after this year while also keeping their team strong for a playoff run.  Of course, it would help if every position player at the big league level wasn’t mired in suck right now.

 

Still, I love proposing deals, so I’d figure I’d throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks.

Star-divide

#1  Chris Davis, Thomas Diamond and Greg Golson for Ian Snell, Adam LaRoche and Sean Burnett

 

Why it makes sense for the Rangers: Ian Snell is controllable through 2012 and when he’s right, he’s a very good young pitcher.  Let him stay down in OKC through the all star break and hope that he comes back strong and rejuvenated by playing for a contender in the second half.  He hasn’t faced the AL West much, which should be an advantage this year.  Adam LaRoche could come in and solve our 1B problem for the rest of the year, and he’s always been a very strong second half guy (and as a FA at year’s end, we would stand to get some compensation for him).  Sean Burnett gives us a groundball inducing lefty (a true loogy) to bolster our reliever corps.

 

Why it makes sense for the Pirates:  Chris Davis is obviously a wildly talented hitter with an impeccable minor league track record.  He is also very solid defensively.  Still, the Rangers need help at 1B now, and not necessarily in the future (with Smoak coming through the ranks), so letting Davis play through his slump makes a lot more sense for a non-contender like the Pirates.  Pittsburgh is reportedly looking for toolsy OF to put around McCutchen, and Golson makes sense in that department (he is no higher than sixth or seventh on our OF depth chart).  I still think, somewhere in there, Thomas Diamond has what it takes, but obviously DVD needed to be elsewhere in order to thrive, so its time we set this bird free.

 

Which team balks at this deal?  There is obvious risk on both sides, and it would certainly sting to see Davis leave, but it makes sense in both the short and long term for the Rangers.

 

#2   Jose Vallejo for Sergio Romo

 

Why it makes sense for the Rangers: When healthy, Sergio Romo has been one of the best relievers in baseball over the past two years, despite his smallish stature.  I don’t love this move only because Vallejo is the obvious choice to fill in long term if Kinsler went down with an injury, and he makes sense as a cheap utility guy for us in the future.  But Sergio could team with Wilson, Frankie and O'Day to give us a true shut-down back end of our bullpen, and it would be nice to have a Romo I can count on when it matters.

 

Why it makes sense for the Giants: The Giants have solid pitching depth, especially in their bullpen, and a dearth of position player prospects in their upper levels.  Vallejo is just about major league ready and could step in and play 2B for the Giants tomorrow, while filling that hole for years to come.  He is currently blocked in TX by two talented young players who are controllable for many years, but he has the tools to be a legit ML starter somewhere. 

 

These are the first two that popped into my head.  They may be wildly biased on my part.  I just figured I’d get a little conversation going.  Feel free to rip mine and/or add your own.

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I highly doubt you can get Romo for Vallejo

If you can I do it in a heartbeat

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah i was thinking that

I wish Blalock had a little more value right now.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Jun 25, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if the Giants would take on the salary

We would do Blalock/Vallejo for Romo and not ask for anything else. Maybe one of those latin rookie league players like when we requested Beltre be thrown in the Gagne deal

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 25, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fwiw

beltre wasnt a throw in, he was the centerpiece — he was the guy we held out for

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 26, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was just viewed as throw-in at the time by the rest of the world

Cruz, Beltre, and probably Melo too – everyone viewed them as just a throw-in sweetener for the deal, while JD is pressing for that guy all along.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 26, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i honestly think

this team would send Blalock and Vallejo to the giants for Romo and run when its done. Especially if have another guy in their sites who would require moving some money to attain.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Jun 26, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take either of those trades in a heartbeat, I think

I just traded for LaRoche as part of a bigger package in a fantasy league after noticing he’s very quietly having a good year. I think he answers the 1B issue from here on out, as well as solidifying the middle of the order: he strikes out a fair amount (57 this year) but he’s a solid citizen in that regard when you compare him to our current 25 man roster. His OBP is not Hawpe-esque, but it’s a very good .363 and probably as good as you’ll find on the trade market for a reasonable price. I like the idea of Hamilton-LaRoche-Cruz in the middle of the order.

You’re not really giving up a whole lot in that deal. You’re giving up a borderline bust of a 1st rounder who profiles as a reliever at best, a toolshed that probably won’t pan out into a starting outfielder, and then Davis. While Davis has a solid ceiling and is a big price to give up, fact is he is probably expendable long-term. If I were JD I would be comparing Davis now + Smoak/Davis/Moreland for the future to LaRoche now + Smoak/Moreland for the future, and I’d probably take the latter.

Burnett could be a nice replacement for Eddie. We need a dependable LOOGY now that CJ has shown himself to be more than just that. Snell has been a frustrating guy for several years, alternating flashes of brilliance and flashes of suckitude. He seems like the kind of guy who could greatly benefit from working with Maddux. Our rotation picture is going to get crowded in 2010 and beyond, once Beavan, Feliz, and others near readiness, but even if we were to turn Snell into a reliever he’s got a lot of potential value for us.

The question is, does Neal Huntington agree to that deal? I’m not sure.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 25, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it all depends

on how much he believes in Davis, and how little he believes in Snell. Is Boggs worth more than Golson? Hunter instead of Diamond?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Jun 25, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Boggs v. Golson is a classic comparison of expected return. Boggs is probably a surer thing to turn into a regular big leaguer, but his ceiling is most likely a 4th outfielder or second-division starting outfielder. Golson has the higher ceiling but also the higher beta: his risk is such that his expected return is less than Boggs’. IMHO, an organization like the Rangers is best off trading the higher beta guy to a club like the Pirates that needs to take the chance more than we do. We have the luxury of trading off surplus arms down the road for the player who already is what Golson could be, rather than waiting to see if Golson will ever be that guy.

At this point I think Hunter is the better asset to hang onto than Diamond. Hunter seems likely to become a back-end starter or, more likely, at least a semi-serviceable swing man. Diamond, unfortunately, is little more than cubic zirconium at this point. /rimshot

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 25, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Davis

How the mighty have fallen. And how the prospect has risen.
With Smoak coming up fast, Davis is very much expendable. Still, I wouldn’t do that deal. Davis is better than that. Snell? Meh.

-Angry fan of a First Place Team

by chrisR on Jun 25, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

That would be the definition of selling low on Davis.

Get on base or die, Salty.

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by lonestarJon on Jun 25, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather scoop out my testicles with my grandfather's petrified tongue than sell that low Davis.

No Davis trades.

Seriously.

Fucking NONE.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Jun 26, 2009 1:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That post

was fairly Sharkyesque, back when he used to talk Rangers.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jun 26, 2009 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't see it as selling that low

but I may have more faith in Ian Snell than most. I think Snell, who is controllable through 2012, could be a solid middle of the rotation guy for many years, and Burnett is controllable through 2011, so they aren’t rentals or anything. And I like the idea of LaRoche holding down 1B for the rest of the year.

Of course, if Davis goes out and continues whatever he started last night, I’ll shut the fuck up.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Jun 26, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Snell has always had potential, he's just never been able to do much with it

When a talented pitcher struggles for a crappy franchise, you don’t want to blame it all on the pitcher. That entire set of young pitchers (Snell, Maholm, Duke, Gorzelanny) has underperformed, one would think that maybe the coaching has something to do with it to.

If you think Snell is a guy who could benefit from the tutelage of Mike Maddux, Andy Hawkins, and Danny Clark, then it’s not selling low.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 26, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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