A Firefox bleg
On my laptop (about 3 years old, a Dell Inspiron 6000 with 1 Gig of RAM) I've had a huge problem in the last month or two with Firefox locking up on me, or crashing.
I never used to have a problem with Firefox crashing, but it is happening regularly now, and when it isn't crashing, it will lock up for 15-20 seconds a time frequently.
I generally have 8 to 12 Firefox windows open at any given time, but I'm having this problem with even just a few windows open.
Does anyone have any thoughts about what the problem is? I installed Norton 360 not too long ago...otherwise, no software changes.
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Dunno.
My firefox always works fine except occasionally it will crash on LSB. It’s the only site it’s ever crashed on that I can remember.
Have you tried the forums at mozilla.org? They’re pretty helpful over there.
In the meantime there’s an option to have it restore where you were at either after closing the browser or it crashing, so if you don’t have that enabled I’d do that so you wouldn’t have to open your tabs again.
I have the restore option
Half the time when I restore, though, it immediately crashes again, so I usually just start a new session.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 27, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I'm not tech guy
But I have heard of Norton and some of those big commercial security suites screwing some things up. I’d uninstall it to see if that’s the problem since that’s the only changes you’ve made.
by Black Francis on Jun 27, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Norton and AV/ Security software
a lot of the big name software suites can often be more headache than getting infected.
Norton has been notoriously bad for causing system issues and taking things over in my experience
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I only use free software
Well, when I can. And I have to say the best of the free stuff is a lot better than stuff I’d bought in the past. Security is no exception. I just use AVG, a firewall, and a router. I’ve never been infected since the windows 95 days, knock on wood. Even the free version of AVG will scan every file you download as you download it, and if you use something like Thunderbird it will scan your email, too.
by Black Francis on Jun 27, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That is most likely due to a conflict with some web page you had open
Restoring your tabs/windows just re-opens whatever crashed it the first time.
Have you installed any new add ons as of late? Also, it could be Norton doing it too.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Safari also crashes on LSB from time to time, more frequently now. It doesn't crash on any other site.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
when you say windows
i sure hope you mean tabs
Oh yeah then
Firefox is great but it takes a ton of memory and you don’t have a lot. That many open windows would almost certainly crash it. Why don’t you use tabs?
by Black Francis on Jun 27, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like tabs wouldn't make it use any less memory because it still has the same number of web pages open
I rarely use tabs because I learned to surf the web before the advent of tabbed browsing and it’s what I’m used to.
Nope
Having each page open in a separate WINDOW means he’s running a copy of that program that many times. Having them embedded in TABS within a single running copy of the program means you’ve just loaded up more HTML code, not the entire Firefox program. Tabs are much more memory-efficient.
I sometimes have problems with Firefox crashing repeatedly. I have found that reinstalling it fresh solves the problem. Firefox is a pretty big memory hog, itself, but I also agree with everyone who’s chimed in that Norton could be the culprit. Many security suites are resource hogs, and Norton is about the worst of the bunch. I, too, think you should try uninstalling that and see if the problems clear up. But by all means, try using the Tabs feature and see if you notice any improvement.
No.
http://ffextensionguru.wordpress.com/2007/02/09/tabs-or-windows/
The difference between using windows and tabs is negligible. It’s really just personal preference.
Tabs are great
…especially with one of the mouse gesture plugins.
by Black Francis on Jun 27, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
what's that?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 27, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
ex: hold down right click and move the mouse up and to the right to switch to the next tab.
Must have add-on.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
sounds like I need that
I find myself hitting “Alt + Tab” and being VERY frustrated that it won’t take me to the next tab…where do I download it?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 27, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
try ctrl + tab to switch through tabs on most things
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Off the wall suggestion
May not apply since I know virtually nothing about Dell Inspirons (and how they microcode protected lower memory). Install Registry Repair Pro. I hope you mean tabs, not that many separate windows. You are not exceeding any particular number of open applications, but your registry may be fragmented with so many interrupts to handle addressing on. Just a notion. Repair Pro does not assume you know how to regedit or otherwise manipulate your registry – it’s a naive interface. Just tell it to clean up your registry, then to defrag it. Might help overall performance as well.
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by Ed Coffin on Jun 27, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
Firefox
The newest release has crashed a few times on me as well. And yeah sometimes what caused it to crash is going to do the exact same thing when you restore.
Best advice i can give is backup your bookmarks, etc and uninstall then reinstall the app.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
and another thing
if the laptop can hold more memory upgrade it.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
that's what I was going to suggest
I did the same thing awhile when I was having problems and that fixed it.
Norton
Has caused me nothing but trouble whenever I’ve tried to use it through out the years. I’d uninstall that first and see if it solves your issues.
3 year old laptop plus recent versions for Norton and Firefox = RAM thrashing
Firefox is absolutely horrid for effective use of RAM – I’ve got 3 tabs open and I’m near 500 MB. Of course, I use the Firebug and the Webmaster Tools add-ons.
Norton/Symantec products have active background processes in addition to their major application interfaces. I would be surprised if there’s a “live” scan going on as you download pages, ads, images, video, etc. through your browser. This could be causing the smaller delays that you see. The RAM charge from the background processes typically aren’t large enough to cause a problem – unless it keeps hibernating in the swap file and thrashing back and forth for live scans.
The big culprit is most likely your limited RAM.
A good way to get a clean slate with Firefox and ensure the problem isn't any other software
Is to backup and delete your Firefox “Profile” which is the folder that contains all of your history, passwords, customizations, etc. You definitely want to backup your bookmarks in that situation and restore them once you create a new Profile. Unlike just uninstalling Firefox, this removes any of the files Firefox creates on your machine, for the most part. This might be an option in the uninstall process, but there are manual ways of doing it, too.
I don’t agree that it’s a tab vs windows things, or that adblock or a reinstall is going to be more effective than resetting your Profile.
Extensions can have an effect on Firefox. Norton may, too. I wouldn’t know.
I can dig up some howto on dealing with Firefox profiles, if you need.
kling klang king of the rim ram room
i forgot that in windows uninstalling doesnt actually wipe it all clean.
so yeah, wiping the profile and then letting it re-create on launch is probably the solution
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
These are the issues
As a techie…
*You need more RAM… With 1 GB, I am assuming your running XP Professional? It was designed for IE 7, not Firefox, you need to upgrade laptop to Vista. People bitch and bitch about Vista but actually for web browsing I have had limited issues. The newer versions of Vista work quite well.
*Use tabs, new windows load a whole new script in your processing code, which is what takes up RAM, and with Firefox each script is huge because it features tabs which means you have to fit multiple windows in each script code.
*Virus Scanners usually have a web check feature that scans your browsing, can cause slowing.
If I was to suggest something, I would do the following… Buy this laptop-
It has 4GB of RAM which is great for new firefox and multitasking, the processor is fast and perfect for Vista, and as of Jan 2009 Dell was putting Vista SP2 on all machines so you are good to go, Vista wont give you problems. And, with that great of a processor you could upgrade to Windows 7 later this year with no problem.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look
by FormerLSBUser on Jun 27, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe I'm incorrect and you have better knowledge of this than me
But I’ve never seen any conclusive proof that Firefox uses any significantly less memory when using tabs. It may seem counter-intuitive, but at the end of the day, Firefox is managing all of those tabs and windows in more or less the same way, it’s just choosing where to put them.
I don’t know enough about the rest of AJM’s computer usage to say 1GB isn’t enough. 1GB is plenty if you use Firefox, some IM client, Word, Excel, iTunes and a few other apps on XP.
I’m not qualified to say Vista makes anything better, but I’m skeptical. I know nothing of virus scanners, but in my experience, they are pretty invasive, so you could be on to something.
You may be right on all points, it’s just that some of this runs counter to my experiences.
kling klang king of the rim ram room
What youre thinking is the simple version
But no, its not the same, a window is a command script… in that window, you can open tabs that only occupy space in that command script. But if you open 5 windows, then thats 5 command scripts that each take up a lot of RAM at a time.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look
by FormerLSBUser on Jun 27, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
hrm, I think we'll have to agree to disagree
Firefox isn’t quite a command script. Firefox is a executable process. For each window or tab ffox spins off another os thread for each one. Each thread shares some redundant memory. All threads belong to one firefox process. Firefox doesn’t spin off another “command script” or process. This is why you can open 1 window with no tabs and 1 window with 15 tabs and you only see one instance of firefox running in your task manager. Also this is why one tab or window crashing can take down all of your firefox windows.
Chrome is more akin to what you are talking about – it has a seperate process for each window/tab. If one window or tab crashes, it doesn’t crash every other tab or window. This is fundamentally different. Naturally Chrome commands more memory, but it still manages to share portions of memory with the “host” chrome process.
Anyway, we are drifting into mega nerd territory, which I really, really try to avoid on LSB.
kling klang king of the rim ram room
A techie that actually likes Vista? Maybe that's why you have to use a ton of RAM because Vista eats it for breakfast.
Maybe
It is because I have a crap ton of multitasking that I do on this laptop and I dont have time for lag or freezing…
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look
by FormerLSBUser on Jun 27, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
There is no reason to go buy a new laptop with Vista right now
Just wait for Windows 7 to come out and switch to that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I have Windows 7 on my desktop...
It is ok, but people are going to be SHOCKINGLY upset about how similar it is to Vista. Microsoft is simply using Vista SP1, adding some components and fixes, new software names, and they are doing a media blitz that capatalizes on the hatred towards vista…
I have been using the Beta and RC versions and have found no difference between Vista with all updates and at least 2GB of Ram and Windows 7, just very little diffrence…
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look
by FormerLSBUser on Jun 27, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Vista looks fine
Its the many bugs with Vista that piss people off. Windows 7 has apparently fixed a lot of the issues people had with Vista plus its coming with XP Mode which will help things out a bunch.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'm running XP Home
I’m going to get a new laptop at the end of the year, so I don’t want to upgrade to Vista or anything like that on this laptop.
I’ll keep this one as a backup, most likely, but I’m only planning on actively using it for another few months.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 27, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya, dont upgrade
Vista with 1GB of RAM is a bad idea.
Ok, well just FYI in November/December both Dell and Sony are coming out with newer versions of their Inspiron/Vaio laptops, but it is unknown whether they will have Windows 7 on them… But, as a I said above, if you get Vista now you wont see much difference between the two.
If I were you, look for something that has 4 GB of RAM, and then use tabs instead of windows in most situations, and you will be fine. You could use Quickbooks, Word, PP, Excel, Outlook, Firefox with 15 tabs, Norton Virus Scan, and ITunes and you will never have a lapse. Promise.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look
by FormerLSBUser on Jun 27, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
This and NoScript on Firefox
are why I’ll never be able to switch to Opera, Chrome, or IE. Not only does it deal with problematic and potentially harmful ads and scripts, but it also helps load pages a whole lot faster.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
NoScript
I don’t use it anymore. It been a long, long time since a site has launched an evil script on me. It may happen right after I leave LSB, and if does I will go back to using noscript. But so many sites (my own even) use legit scripts that it got to be a pain giving them permission.
The adblock is a must, though. You know I wouldn’t mind the ads on pages I like and use a lot, like this one. But they’ve become so annoying, intrusive, big, and in some cases buggy that I just block all of them.
by Black Francis on Jun 27, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It is a bit annoying sometimes
when you don’t remember that NoScript is on and that’s why something isn’t playing. For the most part though, I visit the same sites each day so after about a couple of weeks, I don’t have to give permission to many sites anymore.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'd stay away from Norton. It eats RAM, CPU, and really can be a mess.
If you want a good, free anti virus, I’d go with the free version of AVG (you kind of have to look closely at their website because they do have some they sell – also good software). Besides it being free, they update it daily with the latest files.
Another one that isn’t quite as intrusive as Norton is Trend Micro. Some computer places use it and won’t touch Norton because of its use of RAM.
I've been using McAfee for the better part of the past decade
I’ve never had any problems with it while I have seen many people have problems with Norton.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
That was happening to me
as well, all the time. It was frustrating, but I thought it was just my computer, since I ended up having to reload Windows completely around two weeks ago. But the exact thing started happening to me a few weeks before the reinstall. I use Chrome now, so much faster and have not had a crash. I only use FF now for one specific client’t website that somehow isn’t very compatible with Chrome.
Oh, and I have a Dell as well, but this is my desktop, I don’t use the laptop very often.
I'm going to join the 'Get moar RAM' chorus
If you have an open socket, you should be able to get another 1 gig stick for less than 30 bucks. If you find the right sales guy, they might even install it for you- takes about 5 minutes.
Opera isn't bad. It does have a few quirks with loading graphics at times.
Plus you kind of have to know what you’re doing to install an adblocker into it. However, looking at the task manager, it does consume less RAM than any of the others.
I'm glad to hear somebody else has this crashing problem beside me.
I’m no computer tech, but in my opinion, none of this was happening before the wide use of animated advertising ads. There are now as many as two or three per page on any site you go to and they are constantly changing and loading causing the crash for me. I have a Mac, and they just had Safari 4.0 installed which helped a lot but now is back to crashing again but not nearly as much. Safari is the same thing as far as the crashing.
I am the Iron Man
I have never seen an ad on LSB
…but it still crashes on me now and then. The only site that does. Something here is poorly written I guess. But with the ads too yeah you’re going to have trouble. Block them.
by Black Francis on Jun 27, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
this is happening with an older Dell desktop we have at work, too
it’s quite upsetting – there are industry pages that ALWAYS shut it down, so I have to remember to open those through IE
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
Three words: Buy a mac!!!
Then you will have no need for an anti-virus program.
or a pair of testicles
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
gee how clever an anti mac site
anything electronic is going to have some sort of flaw.
doesnt matter if its pc, mac or amiga.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Its not an anti-Mac site
its a site with an opinion piece on why Macs suck and aren’t some solution to all your Windows problems despite being 3-4 times as expensive with less features.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
It's a rant
A poorly informed one, at that. I see why you like it. Not that “Buy a Mac!!!” is a well-researched, universally appropriate recommendation in itself.
Its a funny rant though
I don’t always agree with that guy, but his stuff is usually hilarious.
Anyways, I seriously hate Macs. It will cost you 1500-2000 dollars to buy a computer you could get for 600-700 dollars if it was Windows. They give you nothing else except an alternative to Windows which I haven’t had any problems with since I’ve been using XP. Plus, their Air laptop is the biggest slap to the face ever. A giant piece of crap that they expect you to buy because its thin.
If you hate Windows that much, just use Linux.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
obviously you havent looked closely
you dont HAVE to spend that much. there are cheaper models.
And when i got mine comparing apples to apples in parts, to get close to the processor the mac laptop had i’d have to get the dell XPS line which cost MORE money and the processor still wasnt as fast and the size of the laptop was much larger.
I used slackware linux for nearly 10yrs and I prefer the lack of fuss osx has and more variety in major software with all the benefits of bsd underneath. Plus I can run XP if I want right out of the box no special configurations needed.
But none of this matters.
This discussion isn’t about mac vs pc or windows vs linux, it’s about adam having a problem with firefox which likely has little to do with his OS or brand of laptop.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Show me the cheapest Apple models out there.
I got my laptop for 500 bucks, 1.6 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 160 GB hard drive, 2 GB Ram. Can I get a Mac that cheap from any major outlet?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Apple
Hard to compare apples to apples with something that low end.
They dont offer a huge customizable variety but you can get a $999 macbook… thats not 1500 bucks
2.13ghz core 2 duo 2gigs of ram 160gig hdd and nvidia graphics. built in blutooth, gigabit ethernet and 802.11n wireless.
On the desktop side, $599 gets you a mac mini, 2ghz core 2 duo.
Neither of which are $1500-2000
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Cool, so I can get the same type of computer I have now for only double the price
while the majority of their computers are in the 1500+ range. Best Buy for instance has one Apple laptop for a thousand bucks, another for 1200, another for 1400 bucks, and then the rest are 1500+.
So I retract my statement that it will cost you 1500-2000 dollars. Instead, you can find a few from 1000-1500 bucks, but then most will cost you more than that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
It may be poorly informed technically
…but the guy is right on when he talks about the fake and very stupid “mac movement” or whatever it is. I know people who are “mac this” and “mac that” and who will actually look down on my for having a PC. I’ve used macs. They’re great. But holy shit come on. It’s a computer. A product. People are following that shit like a religious movement, and that’s weird. I’m sorry. And I hate how they name everything “iThis” and “iThat”. Reminds me of fucking McDonalds.
by Black Francis on Jun 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly right
It’s a computer. Buy what you like and dont try to tell the world what to get and why what they have sucks.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
You'd better hope that everyone doesn't go storming in to buy Macs...
or else the hackers will decide to turn their virus lovin’ ways to your OS. Right now, it’s not worth their time.
Adblock Plus & Firefox 3.5
Downloaded Adblock Plus a couple of weeks ago based on some comments I saw here and it worked amazingly. But I downloaded the new Firefox 3.5 this week and, though Adblock is still installed and purports to be working fine, it’s not blocking any ads. I googled the issue and there were some supposed fixes but the instructions were a bit beyond my know-how. Anyone have a simpler explanation/solution?
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
I've never really had trouble on LSB with firefox, except when I'm pushing my comp's memory by running the GDT's
What it does do quite frequently is momentarily freeze up (and this isn’t just a problem on LSB) when I’m running a lot of windows at once or something, but if I leave it alone and don’t touch anything it’ll usually unfreeze after 10-30 seconds or so.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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