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Going Bill James on Josey’s Great Game

Although I usually skip the extended Josey-led discussions that are commonplace at LSB, I did take notice of the 97 comments that resulted from Josey's suggestion on Friday that Little Boy Donuts will not get credit for the Rangers' turnaround.  While reading through that thread, it occurred to me that Josey's interaction with the Rangers' cyber-fans is akin to a crafty left-hander pitching against the Rangers.  Josey's stuff isn't often very good, but he knows how to use it to bait opponents into swinging at pitches that are out of the strike zone.  Against a line-up that is anxious to rack up home-runs, the approach can be surprisingly effective.   

This revelation led me down the path of trying to understand Josey's repertoire.  Like most veterans, Josey has a handful of favorite pitches that he knows how to use to irritate and even infuriate his opponents.  Presented below are five of Josey's favorite pitches. 

The Nolan Ryan - Used approximately 4 times per week, the Nolan Ryan is Josey's fastball that he locates well to spark conversations that are often cordial, though he'll occasionally bust a Nolan Ryan up-and-in to set up another pitch.  The average number of comments that result from a Nolan Ryan reference is 12, though that number would be much lower if not for the many occasions when the Nolan Ryan is used in combination with a "Johnny Donuts/Boy Blunder" (see below).

The Galloway - Though used less frequently than the Nolan Ryan (~1.5 times per week), The Galloway averages the same number of responses (12 responses/mention) primarily because of its often shocking support of LSB's least favorite sports columnist.  The Galloway is a lot like Padilla's lollipop curve - it comes in so slow and easy that hitters line up to take a whack at it.  Unfortunately, the pitch creates a large number of pop-ups and foul balls that yield anger and frustration among the members of the opposing line-up.

The Bill James - The Bill James is Josey's highest velocity pitch, though he rarely throws it for strikes.  Used mostly for show, Josey whips off a Bill James less than once per week with approximately 9 responses per mention.  Beware the Bill James when Josey gets frustrated for he often uses the pitch to plunk an opponent immediately before leaving a game.  A favorite Josey retort as he exits a thread - "On this argument, I feel very comfortable siding with Bill James over you."

The Great Game - Used approximately once per week with ~5 responses per mention, the Great Game is like a knuckleball that flutters on its way to the plate.  Though occasionally a strike, the pitch is often well off the mark and only a problem for the worst hackers in the line-up.

The Johnny Donuts/Boy Blunder - Josey goes to the Donuts/Boy Blunder line approximately twice per week and gets a whopping 21 comments per mention.  The pitch is Josey's version of the split finger which he never throws in the strike zone but none-the-less induces a large number of strikes.  Nearly impossible to lay off, many an LSBer has taken a mighty hack only to find that the pitch has bounced before reaching the catcher. 

The Killer Combo - The Nolan Ryan followed by the Johnny Donuts is almost guaranteed to bring aggravation to those who are compelled to take a swing.  When you see Nolan Ryan in the title, keep a close eye for the Johnny Donuts in the follow-up text.  This combination produced the 97 comment thread mentioned in the introductory paragraph and is typically good for a 30 comment discussion/debate. 

Recommended Strategy When Facing Josey

Be patient and avoid over-swinging, otherwise you might find yourself looking like the Chris Davis of LSB.  Lay off the Galloways, the Johnny Donuts, and the other junk that the crafty lefty likes to throw.  If you can avoid swinging at these pitches, then Josey will be forced to throw the ball over the plate.  And when The Outlaw brings the ball into the strike zone, his fringe-average stuff is as easy to hit as a little leaguer's fastball.

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Greatness...

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 28, 2009 2:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bill James part is the funniest

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 28, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wreck it

Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert

by Conjunction on Jun 28, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

heh

5 recs in 5 minutes

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 28, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this

Especially after innocently wandering into the Sunday Morning Things post to find yet another JW-fest going.

"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08

by lisa w on Jun 28, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

rec

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 28, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But what he says MATTERS

Because he provokes a response that must mean what he says is true and relevant. According to him.

by Black Francis on Jun 28, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So Adam is the Chris Davis of LSB?

Oh the irony.

He keeps getting sucked into Josey’s arguments and keeps attempting to use intelligent arguments against Josey’s arguments.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 28, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lots of people do.

I find him very hard to ignore, but then I’m the argumentative type. If it’s there and it’s stupid, and just can’t keep from saying something about it.

by Black Francis on Jun 28, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you also a lawyer?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jun 28, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Probably should have been. More than one of my professors urged me to go to law school.

by Black Francis on Jun 28, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Black Francis, you're vastly underrating your own stupidity.

Major thumbs up to spurdynasty, possibly supplanting the little brother’s (who is probably still sleeping) cinematic effort.

Outstanding.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good strategy, BF.

You must have loved Lebreton’s “Just sit there an piss yourself” column today.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 28, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You called me stupid.

I said basically the same thing, only I was more efficient. I’m guessing you enjoyed that column, too?

by Black Francis on Jun 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I thought Lebreton’s column dripped equal parts self-pity and Vagisil.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 28, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm at work.

If I were sleeping I’d probably get fired.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Jun 28, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get sucked in from time to time

I am just a sucker for the down and away Bill James and keep swinging at a pitch that I know is just a show out of the zone offering.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 28, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's like a two year old.

I’ll occasionally respond to his non-provocative comments – because he does make them every so often and like a dog you should reward good behavior. But the Jonny Donuts and Hank should be full time stuff is just an act. As spurdynasty says, you just have to lay off that stuff. It’s meant to get a response – to get him some attention, nothing more.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jun 28, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so your like michael young?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 29, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is fantastic...

well done Spur.

I do find it funny that two of the better posters on this board (AJM and t ball) seem to be the ones that reply to Josey Donuts the most. I think they enjoy baiting him as much as the other way around.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 28, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is greatness

But you forgot one of the newer additions to Josey’s repertoire: the irrefutable accuracy of the Game Score.

He’s almost a guarantee to use it when debating the quality of a pitcher, especially if said pitcher’s name is Ted Lilly.

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 28, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that falls under the Bill James bit

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jun 28, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh
The Bill James is Josey’s highest velocity pitch, though he rarely throws it for strikes

Donuts has zero command over the Game Score stat. His BABIP sits at .432 on the year, though not expected to regress, based off of shitty peripherals.

He could be drowning before our eyes.

"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem

by Chase Irwin on Jun 28, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The goal is to knock him out of the game as quickly as possible

Fortunately, it only takes a couple of hits to knock Josey out the rest of the day.

Also, he’s intimidated by some hitters, and he’ll pull himself from the game rather than face a big matchup problem.

by cstorm15 on Jun 28, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It really doesn't matter

I’ve never, ever seen anyone actually lose an argument to Josey. Some AB’s tend to go on forever with tons and tons of foul balls, but anytime he gets in here it’s a parade of walks, HBP’s, and wild pitches. There is no bullpen.

But Josey Wales strikes me as the type who’d rather catch than pitch, anyway.

by Black Francis on Jun 28, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh oh, the response to this ought to be good...

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 29, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While we're all having a good laugh at what spurdynasty wrote I was a little shocked he

didn’t include anything about Brandon McCarthy.

There was a lot of mileage attained on my statement that McCarthy’s body was rejecting the notion of ever becoming a major league pitcher who could take the bump every five days. Lots and lots of LSB laughter on that gem, most of it led by AJM.

Anybody know when/if McCarthy is coming back or if he started his “throwing program”?

Just sayin’

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 29, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 29, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh heh

Somebody’s paying attention to the scouting report

by BEW on Jun 29, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoy taunting Josey

very much. I like egging him on, because every time he posts he further destroys his credibility as he dreams he’s teaching the unclean about baseball.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 28, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tball

I thought you were about to cry yesterday so I backed off.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

for proving my point so efficiently with that post.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 29, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

Get on base or die, Salty.

"If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball."
-Section 339

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 28, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Greatness

'Howard makes me fear the NKoreans less... If they shot anything at us, he’d be there to block it." - Aquaman56

by hinduplaya on Jun 28, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If there were a way to rec this a dozen times...

…I’d do it.

Terrific work.

"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009

by ghtd36 on Jun 29, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and this moment of greatness

doesn’t come without the The Josey Wales Pandemic Ridiculousness.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Jun 29, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This fanpost...

needs to be in the next User’s Guide to LSB GoET.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 29, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Get on base or die, Salty.

"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington

Hello Win Column

by lonestarJon on Jun 29, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a sense,

Josey is trying to be like his hero, Galloway, and say such off the wall stuff to see how many comments he’s getting. He believes he’s the sole reason for both this and the Newberg boards’ existence.

by Redcaps on Jun 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

he really thinks he’s right, and so does Galloway.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jun 29, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel the same way about you and Richard Simmons, bf/

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jun 29, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am.

In the sense that if you were to douse me in gasoline and set fire to me, I would burn. I am not flammable in any other sense.

It’s worth noting that The Outlaw Mr. Wales was the first to sling this kind of shit (sexual orientation, political leanings), much like a caged monkey would.

These are the kinds of wild pitches that sail four feet over and to the right of the umpires head and hit the screen, scaring yuppie fans shitless.

by Black Francis on Jun 30, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just ignore him...

you aren’t going to get anywhere with him anyway.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 30, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I know

Like I said before, though, when there’s nothing else to do I find it mildly amusing to spar with him.

by Black Francis on Jun 30, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

This is the class of humor I expect from GoET. Its nice to see you expanding your repertoire beyond statistical analysis.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 29, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys

I’m working on something related to this that I think everyone’s going to like. I’ll unveil it later tonight.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Jul 2, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure we need it

Josey gets too much attention anyway, though I’m as guilty as any in provoking him.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jul 2, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know

But the idea came to me this morning, and it amused me so much that I couldn’t help but share.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Jul 2, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're waiting, RCCook

Tell me you’re going to have something better than the pile of shat that one Chase Irwin put up this week.

That…was embarrassing.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"

by Josey Wales on Jul 2, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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